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jockhater2
10-18-2012, 04:22 PM
I have 2 morel tweets (i think they are 80-100 watts a piece). 2 4" polk co-axials with 1" tweets (don't remember the watts. I believe 25-50). and 2 5.25" polk co-axials with 1" tweets (i think 80-100). These are all running off of my HU.

everything is located in the front. No speakers in the rear.

My sub stage makes it hard to hear the mids/highs. So I know I am going to have a harder time when I build a new box and turn the amp's gain up/re wire for lower ohms.

So my question is. Are my front speakers getting over taken by the sub stage because of the lack of power. Should I get a multi channel amp?
I think the morel tweets are 8 ohms, and the polks are 4. IIRC.

Also. I have no idea how to wire up a multi channel amp. Never used one. I mean the obvious stuff of power/ground and RCA's.
But I mean. Wiring them to the amp. Could I wire my current speakers with there different impedance's?

Or should I add more door speakers? *I'd rather not. but am not against it if that is what it takes to solve the mids/high issue*

mylows10
10-18-2012, 04:35 PM
change out the polks with some components that will handle more power ,then amp them.hit me up so we can talk if you like man

matt_bennett05
10-18-2012, 04:37 PM
HU = Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Power

quackhead
10-18-2012, 04:47 PM
this:
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/558221-precision-power-p900-4-145w-x-4-4-available.html

wire the coaxes to the rear channels parallel in stereo for 100w ea. and the morels to the stereo front channels for @ 75-100w ea...this will also open up the option of running the morels active HP on the built in x-over and keeping the coaxes FR...and should you decide to replace the coaxes with some decent midbasses down the road, there ya go.

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 04:48 PM
HU = Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Power

that is what I assumed is the problem. So amp is the solution.
Can I wire different impedance's to the amp?
I think I read that you can. Because each channel on a multi channel amp is apart from the others.

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 04:51 PM
this:
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/558221-precision-power-p900-4-145w-x-4-4-available.html

wire the coaxes to the rear channels parallel in stereo for 100w ea. and the morels to the front channels for @ 75-100w ea...this will also open up the option of running the morels active HP on the built in x-over and keeping the coaxes FR...and should you decide to replace the coaxes with some decent midbasses down the road, there ya go.

A class D full range? Just means its more efficient and not as SQ oriented as a Class A/B full range? I didn't know they made class d full range amps.

And that is actually another question I have. what is running active?
And what do you mean by keeping the coaxes FR?
And how come the coaxes wouldn't be able to run active?

quackhead
10-18-2012, 04:53 PM
that is what I assumed is the problem. So amp is the solution.
Can I wire different impedance's to the amp?
I think I read that you can. Because each channel on a multi channel amp is apart from the others.
yes.

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 04:56 PM
yes.

So I would wire the tweets to one channel. the 4" coaxes to one. and 5.25" to the other. and I would have 1 channel free.

Well. Then. I will be definitely looking into an amp next year. The sound car is my winter car. So I need it right now. I can't have it sitting. Plus its too cold for me to want to do anything.

But I think my plan is 2nd alternator, then a used 4 channel (i don't care about looks) and I have no room in the car to mount it. So it will probably get mounted on the back of the sub box.

quackhead
10-18-2012, 04:58 PM
A class D full range? Just means its more efficient and not as SQ oriented as a Class A/B full range? I didn't know they made class d full range amps.

And that is actually another question I have. what is running active?
And what do you mean by keeping the coaxes FR?
And how come the coaxes wouldn't be able to run active?

dude, that little PPI is one of the cleanest class D's out there..and yes, Alpine, PPI, RF, JL, etc. all make good full range class D's these days..in the last couple of years, the tech has allowed this beyond just a couple of mfgrs like Eclipse. I was talking about running the coaxes on the rear channels Full Range and yes, you will be able to use a High Pass on the coaxes, but they will prolly sound like poo running as midbasses only...but maybe not...you just need to amp up and tune to your liking from there.

VWGolfMKVI
10-18-2012, 05:00 PM
Why do I feel that everyone is getting trolled?

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 05:04 PM
dude, that little PPI is one of the cleanest class D's out there..and yes, Alpine, PPI, RF, JL, etc. all make good full range class D's these days..in the last couple of years, the tech has allowed this beyond just a couple of mfgrs like Eclipse. I was talking about running the coaxes on the rear channels Full Range and yes, you will be able to use a High Pass on the coaxes, but they will prolly sound like poo running as midbasses only...but maybe not...you just need to amp up and tune to your liking from there.

I wasn't dogging the class d part. I was simply asking. Because I was under the assumption that sub amps were class d, and mids/high amps were class A/B. I know very little.

Yes. The coaxes would sound better on the HP. I think I have the HP set now @ 160-200 for the 4" and 120 for the 5.25.

So an amp will help juice them up and not let the bass over take them?

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so what is running "active"?

quackhead
10-18-2012, 05:07 PM
So I would wire the tweets to one channel. the 4" coaxes to one. and 5.25" to the other. and I would have 1 channel free.

Well. Then. I will be definitely looking into an amp next year. The sound car is my winter car. So I need it right now. I can't have it sitting. Plus its too cold for me to want to do anything.

But I think my plan is 2nd alternator, then a used 4 channel (i don't care about looks) and I have no room in the car to mount it. So it will probably get mounted on the back of the sub box.

hmm..the two morels are 8 ohm, the 4 coaxes are four ohm, the morels will draw 1/2 the power of each coax. You have ch 1,2,3 and 4. channel 1 & 2 will be the front channels on the amp and channel 3 & 4 will be the rear channels on the amp. Wire the the left morel to channel 1, the right morel to channel 2..the left 2 coaxes will go to ch 3 and the right 2 coaxes will go to ch 4 ....lol...hmm..on the PPI it is mapped out front/rear & left/right...same thing though:

http://i.seimg.net/images/860584/big/p9004.jpg

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 05:16 PM
hmm..the two morels are 8 ohm, the 4 coaxes are four ohm, the morels will draw 1/2 the power of each coax. You have ch 1,2,3 and 4. channel 1 & 2 will be the front channels on the amp and channel 3 & 4 will be the rear channels on the amp. Wire the the left morel to channel 1, the right morel to channel 2..the left 2 coaxes will go to ch 3 and the right 2 coaxes will go to ch 4 ....lol...hmm..on the PPI it is mapped out front/rear & left/right...same thing though:

http://i.seimg.net/images/860584/big/p9004.jpg

boy that is a lot different than a sub amp.
ok. Thank you SO MUCH. Everything you wrote. Was all news to me. I don't know anything about mids/high amps.

I might get a 6 channel so I have some left over in-case I add more door speakers. I prefer to overdue things so I am set for whatever happens in the future.
I am glad you laid it all for me as well. I really appreciate that too! I am going to have to refer back to this thread or PM when I get around to doing this.

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Why do I feel that everyone is getting trolled?

bring on the troll. Idc what goes on in my threads.

VWGolfMKVI
10-18-2012, 05:20 PM
[bring on the troll. Idc what goes on in my threads.

I actually thought you were trolling everyone. Looking at your signature

MKII VW Jetta/Head Unit Kenwood KDC-X895
3 Runs of 1/0 Gauge OFC Power and 3 Runs of 1/0 Gauge OFC Ground
1 XS Power D3400 and 2 XS Power XP3000 with No.1 Copper Bus Bars
380 Amp Iraggi Alternator (14.7v cold and 14.5 hot) (For a 99-04 chevy)
Exile X5 Amplifier wired @ 2 ohm/Never drops below 13.5v
2 12 inch Ascendant Audio Mayhems
Tuned Around 32-34 hertz. About 5-5.5 cubic feet (made by dbeez)

I would of thought you were just pulling everybodies legs. BUt I guess I was wrong. Didn't mean to post dump here.

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 05:21 PM
I actually thought you were trolling everyone. Looking at your signature

MKII VW Jetta/Head Unit Kenwood KDC-X895
3 Runs of 1/0 Gauge OFC Power and 3 Runs of 1/0 Gauge OFC Ground
1 XS Power D3400 and 2 XS Power XP3000 with No.1 Copper Bus Bars
380 Amp Iraggi Alternator (14.7v cold and 14.5 hot) (For a 99-04 chevy)
Exile X5 Amplifier wired @ 2 ohm/Never drops below 13.5v
2 12 inch Ascendant Audio Mayhems
Tuned Around 32-34 hertz. About 5-5.5 cubic feet (made by dbeez)

I would of thought you were just pulling everybodies legs. BUt I guess I was wrong. Didn't mean to post dump here.

how come you thought that? what about my signature made it seem like I was pulling legs?

VWGolfMKVI
10-18-2012, 05:22 PM
Just seems from your signature that you are well experienced in car audio.

goingdef
10-18-2012, 05:27 PM
Just seems from your signature that you are well experienced in car audio.

I thought the same thing bro! He is trying to say in a nice way your sig say's exp but your question wreaks of NOOB!

VWGolfMKVI
10-18-2012, 05:30 PM
I thought the same thing bro! He is trying to say in a nice way your sig say's exp but your question wreaks of NOOB!

exactly

quackhead
10-18-2012, 05:37 PM
Just seems from your signature that you are well experienced in car audio.
he got a hella sub stage though..

quackhead
10-18-2012, 05:46 PM
boy that is a lot different than a sub amp.
ok. Thank you SO MUCH. Everything you wrote. Was all news to me. I don't know anything about mids/high amps.

I might get a 6 channel so I have some left over in-case I add more door speakers. I prefer to overdue things so I am set for whatever happens in the future.
I am glad you laid it all for me as well. I really appreciate that too! I am going to have to refer back to this thread or PM when I get around to doing this.

---------- Post added at 03:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:15 PM ----------



bring on the troll. Idc what goes on in my threads.

no problem...tell you what though, you get some decent power to your mid/highs and it will be like a whole new world just opened up in your music.

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 05:48 PM
quackhead ;
what about these amps? found them on craigslist.

GT-5750 | Boston Acoustics US (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/US/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?IsDisc=1&Pid=GT5750%28BostonAcoustics%29)


Rockford Fosgate 200 a 4 channel (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/3338942016.html)



Rockford Fosgate Punch 400a4 Car Amplifier (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/3329204094.html)



eclipse indash,4 ch. amp, subs,cap., and stinger fuse block (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/3294164249.html)


this one has a zapco 360.4 in it
sub/amp..Alpine,diamond audio,zapco,ppi,memphis (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/3330939632.html)

RAM_Designs
10-18-2012, 05:49 PM
A single set of quality components and a 2x150 amp will please most anybody.

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 05:56 PM
Just seems from your signature that you are well experienced in car audio.

no way. This was my first big build ever. And I just finished it at the end September. Almost everything in my signature came from reading through threads. Or from the help of mylows10 and dbeez.

Mylows10 is why I ran 3 runs of power and 3 runs of ground.
dbeez helped me decide on the sub stage (i was dead set on 2 15s or an 18, but he said I would have to build the box in the trunk. and the 2 15s would most likely get choked)
so because of his advice I went with 12s. He designed and built the box.
The alternator I found and purchased on my own. And thanks to my buddy damon we got it mounted in my car. And were going to add a 2nd one next year when it's warm again.

the exile 5k I got through a trade because no one would buy my massive audio qc15's I had. the amp was broken and I had it fixed for $175.

and as for multi channel amps. I literally have no clue. I have never ever used one.

I am surprised that my set up makes me sound like I know what I am doing. It was all through the help of others that It was accomplished. All I did was follow instructions and do the work.

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 05:57 PM
he got a hella sub stage though..

thank you! That is why I am concerned about my front stage. Because it already gets over powered. And the amp is @ 2-3 ohms in a box that restricts the power (box is too efficient)
so i know when I make a new smaller box. Its going to only make the front stage worse.

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 05:58 PM
no problem...tell you what though, you get some decent power to your mid/highs and it will be like a whole new world just opened up in your music.

I can't believe I never figured that out before. For the last 5 years that I have subs. I have always wondered why my front stage was so weak. Pretty stupid

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 05:59 PM
A single set of quality components and a 2x150 amp will please most anybody.

enough music volume to not be over taken by my sub stage?
because if that is true. then I am dumb. I should have gotten a mids/high amp years ago.

RAM_Designs
10-18-2012, 06:03 PM
enough music volume to not be over taken by my sub stage?
because if that is true. then I am dumb. I should have gotten a mids/high amp years ago.

Hell, I'm just running some 6.5's in my doors and they can get louder than I want them to be. There's only so loud you can go before it just starts to hurt. Maybe my ears are just sensitive(my wife will argue otherwise).

VWGolfMKVI
10-18-2012, 06:05 PM
enough music volume to not be over taken by my sub stage?
because if that is true. then I am dumb. I should have gotten a mids/high amp years ago.

Not dumb at all. We all learn new things. I love learning in the car audio field

quackhead
10-18-2012, 06:15 PM
quackhead ;
what about these amps? found them on craigslist.

GT-5750 | Boston Acoustics US (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/US/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?IsDisc=1&Pid=GT5750%28BostonAcoustics%29)


Rockford Fosgate 200 a 4 channel (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/3338942016.html)



Rockford Fosgate Punch 400a4 Car Amplifier (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/3329204094.html)



eclipse indash,4 ch. amp, subs,cap., and stinger fuse block (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/3294164249.html)


this one has a zapco 360.4 in it
sub/amp..Alpine,diamond audio,zapco,ppi,memphis (http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/3330939632.html)

that Memphis 1500.1 for $150 in the last ad seems like a good deal.

here is a good 4ch:
Hifonics GLX100.4 400W RMS Class A/B 4-Channel Gladiator Series Amp (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_43131_Hifonics-GLX100.4.html)
a better:
MB Quart ONX4.125 - 1000W RMS ONYX 4-Channel Car Amplifier/Amp (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_27474_MB-Quart-ONX4.125.html)
a very good 4 ch:
Orion HCCA10004 Competition 4-Channel Car Amplifier (HCCA-10004) (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_28006_Orion-HCCA10004.html)
beast mode 4ch:
WoofersEtc.com - Dreadnought - ZED Audio 4-Channel 900W RMS Amplifier (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-10075-dreadnought-zed-audio-4-channel-900w-rms-amplifier.aspx)

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 08:48 PM
that Memphis 1500.1 for $150 in the last ad seems like a good deal.

here is a good 4ch:
Hifonics GLX100.4 400W RMS Class A/B 4-Channel Gladiator Series Amp (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_43131_Hifonics-GLX100.4.html)
a better:
MB Quart ONX4.125 - 1000W RMS ONYX 4-Channel Car Amplifier/Amp (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_27474_MB-Quart-ONX4.125.html)
a very good 4 ch:
Orion HCCA10004 Competition 4-Channel Car Amplifier (HCCA-10004) (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_28006_Orion-HCCA10004.html)
beast mode 4ch:
WoofersEtc.com - Dreadnought - ZED Audio 4-Channel 900W RMS Amplifier (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-10075-dreadnought-zed-audio-4-channel-900w-rms-amplifier.aspx)

Well I am definitely not getting a budget amp. So no mb quart or hifonics. If i am going to do this. I am going to do it right the first time. But I would prefer to buy used. So I will browse around. It won't be warm again here in wisconsin for another 6 months

jockhater2
10-18-2012, 08:50 PM
Hell, I'm just running some 6.5's in my doors and they can get louder than I want them to be. There's only so loud you can go before it just starts to hurt. Maybe my ears are just sensitive(my wife will argue otherwise).

wow. I wouldn't know because everythings on the head unit. I originally only had 2 tweets and 2 door speakers in the front of the car. I added the 2nd set to try and make up for the over powering bass.
I guess power is what I should have done, not more speaker.

RAM_Designs
10-18-2012, 11:53 PM
I'm using some HAT Imagine 6.5's and running them off an old school Alpine MRV-1507 with a potential 2x225 at my disposal.

mlstrass
10-19-2012, 05:15 AM
parallel wiring the coax's will change the xover point/slope of the built in xovers. Might not be a good thing.

MbQuart 4ch is a very solid amp, especially if you can find one for a good price.

Personally I'd sell off all the stuff you have and get a decent set of 6.5" comps and bridge a 4ch to power them.

mlstrass
10-19-2012, 05:18 AM
A single set of quality components and a 2x150 amp will please most anybody.

Depends upon the substage and goals. For my daily that's fine, for my demo set up not even close....

av83
10-19-2012, 06:20 AM
Hell, I'm just running some 6.5's in my doors and they can get louder than I want them to be. There's only so loud you can go before it just starts to hurt. Maybe my ears are just sensitive(my wife will argue otherwise).

This is true for me, too. I see these front stages in peoples sigs around here and wonder how they can still hear. Mine is plenty loud enough to cause pain, and I have entry-level comps with about 100 wrms going to each tweet and the same to each woofer.

ejschultz
10-19-2012, 07:28 AM
so what is running "active"?

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/speakers/146726-active-vs-passive-attempt-me-explain.html

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 12:49 PM
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/speakers/146726-active-vs-passive-attempt-me-explain.html

So one speaker per channel is required to use the full range amps crossovers effectively. Unless I hook up two of the same size speakers then I can share the channel and still use the full range's crossovers.

mlstrass
10-19-2012, 12:59 PM
You can run as many speakers as you want per channel, assuming they all need the same xover point/slope...

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 02:50 PM
You can run as many speakers as you want per channel, assuming they all need the same xover point/slope...

thank you for that. Ok. So don't mix tweets with mids.
And impedance has to be the same. correct?

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 02:59 PM
Keep in mind that I want more power than I need, in-case I want to add more speakers in the future. Because If I am going to replace my coaxial's...I might just keep them and add components to the doors. I have plenty of space in my door cards to add more door speakers. And I don't see the point in just tossing the coaxial's.
I am personally trying to find broken ones as I have a friend who fixes amps. And I want a quality power house.
I will bold the ones that I think look really nice.
But some of these aren't that much more than a broken one would cost to buy and get fixed.

So far. The crescendo seems like the best option for me. And $300 plus doesn't seem bad to me at all. Otherwise those TF t1000-4 if I can talk the guy down.
But give me your opinions guys.
Do me a favor. And just quote this list and delete the ones that you say no too. Remember. I am looking for decent power so I have room to upgrade if I want. I prefer to over kill my projects.
quackhead ; matt_bennett05 ; VWGolfMKVI ; goingdef ; RAM_Designs ; mlstrass ; av83 ;



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http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/555928-f-s-zapco-360-4-a.html

this one looks real NICE

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/556119-crescendo-c1100-4-a.html

I thought this one looked nice. But power seems a little weak. but there is where your opinion is needed.
RARE! Blown JBL GTH400 6 channel - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/broken-non-working-equipment/136473-rare-blown-jbl-gth400-6-channel.html)

same with this one
broken Kicker Impulse 356xi 6 channel - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/broken-non-working-equipment/130708-broken-kicker-impulse-356xi-6-channel.html)

perfect. Its a power house and its broken.
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quackhead
10-19-2012, 03:39 PM
Keep in mind that I want more power than I need, in-case I want to add more speakers in the future. Because If I am going to replace my coaxial's...I might just keep them and add components to the doors. I have plenty of space in my door cards to add more door speakers. And I don't see the point in just tossing the coaxial's.
I am personally trying to find broken ones as I have a friend who fixes amps. And I want a quality power house.
I will bold the ones that I think look really nice.
But some of these aren't that much more than a broken one would cost to buy and get fixed.

So far. The crescendo seems like the best option for me. And $300 plus doesn't seem bad to me at all. Otherwise those TF t1000-4 if I can talk the guy down.
But give me your opinions guys.
Do me a favor. And just quote this list and delete the ones that you say no too. Remember. I am looking for decent power so I have room to upgrade if I want. I prefer to over kill my projects.

this one looks real NICE
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/556119-crescendo-c1100-4-a.html]

...

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 03:53 PM
...

the crecendo?

can you give me some 2nd, 3rd and such options?
I'd like to if anything I found was decent and your opinions please.

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quackhead
10-19-2012, 04:07 PM
the crecendo?

can you give me some 2nd, 3rd and such options?
I'd like to if anything I found was decent and your opinions please.

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all of the amps you mentioned were decent..I loved the Eclipse for the x-over functions, decent power, the Crescendo is almost new, very good power and I believe their x-overs are ok too. The PPI new, excellent x-over and power...but I know you are leaning to class A/B..lemme put it this way, for A/B - Crescendo, Class D - Eclipse or PPI.

Of course the RF 1000.4 would be beast mode, but do you really want to buy a broke amp?

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 04:10 PM
all of the amps you mentioned were decent..I loved the Eclipse for the x-over functions, decent power, the Crescendo is almost new, very good power and I believe their x-overs are ok too. The PPI new, excellent x-over and power...but I know you are leaning to class A/B..lemme put it this way, for A/B - Crescendo, Class D - Eclipse or PPI.

Of course the RF 1000.4 would be beast mode, but do you really want to buy a broke amp?

I am not leaning towards an A/B. I'd rather have a class D full range. I am not too concerned with SQ. I mean. Come on. I run everything off the HU and I think it sounds great. I am clearly no audiophile.

And yes. I'd rather buy a beast amp that is in rough shape or broken. Like I said. My buddy john can fix it. My exile 5k was bought broken. John fixed it for $175 and offers free repairs on it if I have any odd troubles. And He fixed my Us Amp AX3000DE for 125 that someone on ebay blew the crap out of.

I PM'd the guy on the RF 1000.4 but it looks like his post has been inactive for a while.


Also. I don't know if I will use the X-overs on the amp. I am unsure. Because I switch a lot between hip hop/rap and deathcore/metalcore/metal. So I use the EQ settings from my ipod because I switch between the genres so much.

quackhead
10-19-2012, 04:15 PM
I am not leaning towards an A/B. I'd rather have a class D full range. I am not too concerned with SQ. I mean. Come on. I run everything off the HU and I think it sounds great. I am clearly no audiophile.

And yes. I'd rather buy a beast amp that is in rough shape or broken. Like I said. My buddy john can fix it. My exile 5k was bought broken. John fixed it for $175 and offers free repairs on it if I have any odd troubles. And He fixed my Us Amp AX3000DE for 125 that someone on ebay blew the crap out of.

I PM'd the guy on the RF 1000.4 but it looks like his post has been inactive for a while.


Also. I don't know if I will use the X-overs on the amp. I am unsure. Because I switch a lot between hip hop/rap and deathcore/metalcore/metal. So I use the EQ settings from my ipod because I switch between the genres so much.

****, I found one!...check this dude out.
LANZAR Optidrive 2000 Watt 4 Channel Competition Class Mosfet Amplifier in Car Amplifiers | JR.com (http://www.jr.com/lanzar/pe/LZR_OPTI250X4/)

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 04:19 PM
****, I found one!...check this dude out.
LANZAR Optidrive 2000 Watt 4 Channel Competition Class Mosfet Amplifier in Car Amplifiers | JR.com (http://www.jr.com/lanzar/pe/LZR_OPTI250X4/)

I hear a lot of good things about those lanzars. Are you sure its not over rated though? the power it claims seems real high with the price.

quackhead
10-19-2012, 04:28 PM
I hear a lot of good things about those lanzars. Are you sure its not over rated though? the power it claims seems real high with the price.

I would look you in the eye and tell you it does rms rated power....now not get hot at lower impedances?..hmm...that might be hard to look you in the eye..Just let things float some and see what others might have to say, or what might fall in your lap, you never know

about those RF's...now if I had a amp medic in my back pocket and the price was right, that would be hard to pass up.

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 04:30 PM
I would look you in the eye and tell you it does rms rated power....now not get hot at lower impedances?..hmm...that might be hard to look you in the eye..Just let things float some and see what others might have to say, or what might fall in your lap, you never know

about those RF's...now if I had a amp medic in my back pocket and the price was right, that would be hard to pass up.

Picture 3 of 6 for Lanzar OPTI250X4 (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/pictures_new.php?id=44043&picture_id=907867)

Ok. I will keep my eye open. If all else fails. That lanzar does look nice. And its externally fused. So I would agree. It seems like it would do rated power. And like I said. I am not worried too much about excellent x-over settings. As I use rock for my metal and hip hop for my rap.

quackhead
10-19-2012, 04:38 PM
Picture 3 of 6 for Lanzar OPTI250X4 (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/pictures_new.php?id=44043&picture_id=907867)

Ok. I will keep my eye open. If all else fails. That lanzar does look nice. And its externally fused. So I would agree. It seems like it would do rated power. And like I said. I am not worried too much about excellent x-over settings. As I use rock for my metal and hip hop for my rap.

you want to see what I use?
wayy underrated at 12v..
WoofersEtc.com - AXT800.4 - Avionixx 4 Ch 800 Watt Amplifier (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-120-axt8004-avionixx-4-ch-800-watt-amplifier.aspx)

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 04:49 PM
you want to see what I use?
wayy underrated at 12v..
WoofersEtc.com - AXT800.4 - Avionixx 4 Ch 800 Watt Amplifier (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-120-axt8004-avionixx-4-ch-800-watt-amplifier.aspx)

That is what you run? I thought you were running something audiophile. How many speakers do you run off it? are you pleased with the sound and power?
I am not looking to go nuts here on an amp. Like I said. i think my HU sounds good. so I clearly have a poor perception of SQ.

I got an offer though. MB Quart DSC 4125 that is broken. :) Guys going to send me pics and I will have john take a look.

mlstrass
10-19-2012, 04:53 PM
I have 9 of the 1000C4's in my ride, VERY solid amps, especially when they were $199 shipped. I also have a PG 200.4 and an MbQuart 4x50. All have performed well the last few years.

Don't over think it, as there are plenty of solid amps out there, so just find the best deal.

You don't want to mix diff imp speakers off the same channels...

quackhead
10-19-2012, 04:54 PM
That is what you run? I thought you were running something audiophile. How many speakers do you run off it? are you pleased with the sound and power?
I am not looking to go nuts here on an amp. Like I said. i think my HU sounds good. so I clearly have a poor perception of SQ.

I got an offer though. MB Quart DSC 4125 that is broken. :) Guys going to send me pics and I will have john take a look.
The DSC4125 would be a good amp.

Audiophile?..nah, What works the best for what I pay. That Avionixx is about the ugliest amp I have ever owned (I keep it hid under the seat, lol), but it sounds better and has more power than most of the other 4ch amps I have owned..They were made by Elemental Designs and they make them no more.

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 04:58 PM
I have 9 of the 1000C4's in my ride, VERY solid amps, especially when they were $199 shipped. I also have a PG 200.4 and an MbQuart 4x50. All have performed well the last few years.

Don't over think it, as there are plenty of solid amps out there, so just find the best deal.

You don't want to mix diff imp speakers off the same channels...

Ok. Thank you for that. You have helped me learn a lot

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 05:00 PM
The DSC4125 would be a good amp.

Audiophile?..nah, What works the best for what I pay. That Avionixx is about the ugliest amp I have ever owned (I keep it hid under the seat, lol), but it sounds better and has more power than most of the other 4ch amps I have owned..They were made by Elemental Designs and they make them no more.

I guess it is kind of ugly LOL. I don't know. From all of your posts. You seem to know a lot. And I got the impression that you were an audiophile.
Well I just don't want any hifonics/audio pipe garbage.
And blown works for me. Because then I can get something really nice. John can fix it for CHEAP. and i recycled something that had no value :)

mlstrass
10-19-2012, 05:03 PM
Ok. Thank you for that. You have helped me learn a lot

NP, now come out to some shows next year. Did a few in madison, sheyboygan, and other WI areas. Sound Mechanix on FB lists all the shows. First one is usually in April in Madison, so you have plenty of time to get it all dialed in...

VWGolfMKVI
10-19-2012, 05:35 PM
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/558221-precision-power-p900-4-145w-x-4-4-available.html


http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/541184-boston-acoustics-gt42-4-channel-amp.html


http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/555525-fs-eclipse-xa4000-4chan-amp.html


http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/555928-f-s-zapco-360-4-a.html

this one looks real NICE

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/556119-crescendo-c1100-4-a.html

Nib dd s-4 - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/multi-channel-amplifiers/132150-nib-dd-s-4-a.html)

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^^^^

That ZAPCO would be my first choice

goingdef
10-19-2012, 05:42 PM
The only two I can recommend on personal exp are the Memphis and the power series fosgate, but I can say as of now I wouldn't switch out my T600.2 for nothing else though unless it was a bigger power series!

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 05:50 PM
NP, now come out to some shows next year. Did a few in madison, sheyboygan, and other WI areas. Sound Mechanix on FB lists all the shows. First one is usually in April in Madison, so you have plenty of time to get it all dialed in...

I went to frost off in madison this year. and one in green bay which was a fail. because 45 miles into the drive and it started down pouring. so by the time we got there. very few people showed up.

Were you at frost off?
Remember. my set up is for daily use :)
I am not looking to compete.

Here is an over view of my set up. video is pretty boring. I talk with a nice mono voice :) because I always feel stupid making videos like that.

Volkswagen Mk2 Jetta Sound System overview 2 12 inch subs on a 5000 watt amp - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN1VCBqku8I)


and here is it playing. I APOLOGIZE for the out of focus film. when I make the new box. I am going to make a new video and have my brother shoot the film so the camera can actually be in focus (it's a DSLR camera)


2 12 inch Ascendant Audio Mayhem subwoofers Lecrae Fakin' on 1/2 power - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-LCTt4QQmk)

2 12 inch Ascendant Audio Mayhem subs Rack City Tyga on Exile X5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7xoK0hAPcE)


Its not even funny how efficient that box is. I have the amp at 1/4 gain. It doesn't clip until 2/3. But I can't go any louder because the subs bottom out.

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 05:52 PM
^^^^

That ZAPCO would be my first choice

I thought the same thing. Maybe I can find a broken zapco :)

quackhead
10-19-2012, 06:26 PM
I guess it is kind of ugly LOL. I don't know. From all of your posts. You seem to know a lot. And I got the impression that you were an audiophile.
Well I just don't want any hifonics/audio pipe garbage.
And blown works for me. Because then I can get something really nice. John can fix it for CHEAP. and i recycled something that had no value :)

u trolling me, bro?

like I said, I buy what gives up the best sounds for my $, I did not say I buy the cheapest, or the most expensive. The only reason I did not buy that Avionixx the first time I heard one is because they were like $500 new...I had to wait until they quit making them to buy one for what has turned out to be a **** good deal, lol.

Have you figured out how much power you intend to run?

jockhater2
10-19-2012, 06:32 PM
u trolling me, bro?

like I said, I buy what gives up the best sounds for my $, I did not say I buy the cheapest, or the most expensive. The only reason I did not buy that Avionixx the first time I heard one is because they were like $500 new...I had to wait until they quit making them to buy one for what has turned out to be a **** good deal, lol.

Have you figured out how much power you intend to run?

No I am not. Everything I said was serious and not sarcastic. Even though on this forum everything serious sounds sarcastic. I absolutely understand. That is why I won't buy JL. Its over priced for what you are getting.

And that is a smart idea. A d@mn smart idea.

I have no idea. I figured. Just get an amp that puts out good to a lot of power. And go from there. I am probably going to add more door speakers since I am doing all of this :)

The MB quart john said would be a great amp. He said not to pay much for it though. He has fixed 3 of them and the parts are expensive.

RAM_Designs
10-19-2012, 09:27 PM
Depends upon the substage and goals. For my daily that's fine, for my demo set up not even close....

I was meaning purely for daily listening. I can definitely understand where loud fellas like yourself need some extra help up front for demos vehicles.

mlstrass
10-19-2012, 11:16 PM
I went to frost off in madison this year. and one in green bay which was a fail. because 45 miles into the drive and it started down pouring. so by the time we got there. very few people showed up.

Were you at frost off?
Remember. my set up is for daily use :)
I am not looking to compete.

Here is an over view of my set up. video is pretty boring. I talk with a nice mono voice :) because I always feel stupid making videos like that.

Volkswagen Mk2 Jetta Sound System overview 2 12 inch subs on a 5000 watt amp - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN1VCBqku8I)


and here is it playing. I APOLOGIZE for the out of focus film. when I make the new box. I am going to make a new video and have my brother shoot the film so the camera can actually be in focus (it's a DSLR camera)


2 12 inch Ascendant Audio Mayhem subwoofers Lecrae Fakin' on 1/2 power - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-LCTt4QQmk)

2 12 inch Ascendant Audio Mayhem subs Rack City Tyga on Exile X5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7xoK0hAPcE)


Its not even funny how efficient that box is. I have the amp at 1/4 gain. It doesn't clip until 2/3. But I can't go any louder because the subs bottom out.


Yes I was at Frost Off, purple mini van. Don't have to compete, just come out to hang and meet people with a common interest.

Box could be too big, tuned too high, or too much port area if subs bottom out easily.

mlstrass
10-19-2012, 11:19 PM
I was meaning purely for daily listening. I can definitely understand where loud fellas like yourself need some extra help up front for demos vehicles.

Doesn't take much for daily to be loud IMO. I run a single PB 6.5" per side and a few Vifa Neo's in the A pillars of a 4x60 Helix and it'll make my ears ring.

I think too many guys run off HU power or just don't set stuff up right. Daily has a single 18 in the trunk that does a 47-48 on music and the front stage easily keeps up.

jockhater2
10-20-2012, 01:48 AM
Yes I was at Frost Off, purple mini van. Don't have to compete, just come out to hang and meet people with a common interest.

Box could be too big, tuned too high, or too much port area if subs bottom out easily.

Yes. The box port is too large. Like I said. It was designed to be efficient. To get loud off low power. its tuned to 32hz.
Next box will be more daily. 4ft3 after displacement tuned to 34 hertz.

and I saw your van. It was the one nicknamed barney? right? You had the plexiglass windshield?

really? I guess that makes sense. Since HU power is only about 15w per channel.
well then. I won't worry to much about a power 4 channel. But since I have so much time. I will wait to find a nice broken one.

mlstrass
10-20-2012, 01:57 AM
Yes. The box port is too large. Like I said. It was designed to be efficient. To get loud off low power. its tuned to 32hz.
Next box will be more daily. 4ft3 after displacement tuned to 34 hertz.

and I saw your van. It was the one nicknamed barney? right? You had the plexiglass windshield?

really? I guess that makes sense. Since HU power is only about 15w per channel.
well then. I won't worry to much about a power 4 channel. But since I have so much time. I will wait to find a nice broken one.

Yep Barney is my demo vehicle, have made a few changes to the mids/highs since Frost Off.

You should be able to get a decent 4ch for $100-150, especially used. Just keep scouting classifieds on here and a few other sites.

jockhater2
10-20-2012, 12:10 PM
Yep Barney is my demo vehicle, have made a few changes to the mids/highs since Frost Off.

You should be able to get a decent 4ch for $100-150, especially used. Just keep scouting classifieds on here and a few other sites.

My brother had a video of your van on his itouch. But it was stolen. Your van was LOUDDDDDDDDD. I wanted to sit in it. The whole show. I never got to sit in one crazy loud vehicle. I have never heard a system louder than mine. If you go next now I won't be afraid to ask someone.

mylows10
10-20-2012, 12:41 PM
Hey jockhater. Don't get the mb amp yes they are cheap and do rated but a lot of issues with maxx sonics amps not lasting Get a better amp that will give you less or no issues you'll be better off

jockhater2
10-20-2012, 01:09 PM
Hey jockhater. Don't get the mb amp yes they are cheap and do rated but a lot of issues with maxx sonics amps not lasting Get a better amp that will give you less or no issues you'll be better off

it was an older mb quart. Before maxx sonics.
And I ended up not getting it. Because the amp is worth $150 used and in working condition.
And the guy wanted $85 for it broken. So after repairs and shipping. I am losing money. Which is stupid. The guy was insulted when I offered him $40 shipped. but that is what its worth broken.

quackhead
10-20-2012, 03:27 PM
it was an older mb quart. Before maxx sonics.
And I ended up not getting it. Because the amp is worth $150 used and in working condition.
And the guy wanted $85 for it broken. So after repairs and shipping. I am losing money. Which is stupid. The guy was insulted when I offered him $40 shipped. but that is what its worth broken.

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/558921-dc-audio-pai-3000-1-120-4-pai-series-set.html

jockhater2
10-20-2012, 04:27 PM
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/558921-dc-audio-pai-3000-1-120-4-pai-series-set.html

this guy said he used this for 1 day. 225 free shipping. Lanzar opti 250x4

Lanzar 4 CH Competition Class MOSFET Amp OPTI250X4 68888995788 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZAR-4-Ch-Competition-Class-Mosfet-Amp-OPTI250X4-/261112238941?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item3ccb80935d)

quackhead
10-20-2012, 04:33 PM
this guy said he used this for 1 day. 225 free shipping. Lanzar opti 250x4

Lanzar 4 CH Competition Class MOSFET Amp OPTI250X4 68888995788 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LANZAR-4-Ch-Competition-Class-Mosfet-Amp-OPTI250X4-/261112238941?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item3ccb80935d)

that is a good price for it, and you seem to have the electrical for it.

jockhater2
10-20-2012, 04:43 PM
that is a good price for it, and you seem to have the electrical for it.

I would barely need the power it makes. I found a few other amps that I like. For instance. That Audison LRx 6.9 that is for sale on here. The guy lives about an hour and half from me. And those are some really nice amps.
And that lanzar is just such a good price.

Also. I just contacted Iraggi yesterday about shipping them my alternator bracket so I can get a 2nd 380 where the A/C goes.

quackhead
10-20-2012, 04:47 PM
I would barely need the power it makes. I found a few other amps that I like. For instance. That Audison LRx 6.9 that is for sale on here. The guy lives about an hour and half from me. And those are some really nice amps.
And that lanzar is just such a good price.

Also. I just contacted Iraggi yesterday about shipping them my alternator bracket so I can get a 2nd 380 where the A/C goes.

this is true, it would run many, many 8 ohm mids and tweets,lol...or gain down a tad...that Audison is nice too, I looked at that awhile ago.

jockhater2
10-20-2012, 05:21 PM
this is true, it would run many, many 8 ohm mids and tweets,lol...or gain down a tad...that Audison is nice too, I looked at that awhile ago.

This is another total n00b question. My HU can hook up to a 6 channel amp correct?
Or is a 6 channel amp meant for mids/highs plus a sub? I thought that was a 5 channel?

trumpet
10-20-2012, 07:02 PM
So this is why you asked me about a used or broken 4-channel amp. Power is cheap and there is 0 advantage to buying an abused amplifier and getting it repaired right from the get-go. I'd rather see you running a $100 new amp than to spend $40 on a dead amp and then likely spend more than twice that amount to have a reputable technician repair it and ship it back to you.

jockhater2
10-20-2012, 07:26 PM
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So this is why you asked me about a used or broken 4-channel amp. Power is cheap and there is 0 advantage to buying an abused amplifier and getting it repaired right from the get-go. I'd rather see you running a $100 new amp than to spend $40 on a dead amp and then likely spend more than twice that amount to have a reputable technician repair it and ship it back to you.

my technician does great work :)
Like I mentioned. He fixed my exile x5 and us amp ax3000de for half of what companies would do it for.
My exile I use. And it is going strong :)

mlstrass
10-21-2012, 05:38 AM
My brother had a video of your van on his itouch. But it was stolen. Your van was LOUDDDDDDDDD. I wanted to sit in it. The whole show. I never got to sit in one crazy loud vehicle. I have never heard a system louder than mine. If you go next now I won't be afraid to ask someone.

I didn't demo much at Frost Off since I worked that night and was dead tired the whole show. I'm sure I'll see you at a show next year, so come up and introduce yourself...

mlstrass
10-21-2012, 05:51 AM
I would barely need the power it makes. I found a few other amps that I like. For instance. That Audison LRx 6.9 that is for sale on here. The guy lives about an hour and half from me. And those are some really nice amps.
And that lanzar is just such a good price.

Also. I just contacted Iraggi yesterday about shipping them my alternator bracket so I can get a 2nd 380 where the A/C goes.

2 380's at full tilt will drop your motor 1500-1700rpm, just so you know...

jockhater2
10-21-2012, 10:00 AM
I didn't demo much at Frost Off since I worked that night and was dead tired the whole show. I'm sure I'll see you at a show next year, so come up and introduce yourself...

wait...you didn't demo? I could have swore you did. We had a video of some guy saying "wow...that really kicks you in the ****"
Ok I will.

jockhater2
10-21-2012, 10:02 AM
2 380's at full tilt will drop your motor 1500-1700rpm, just so you know...

Uh ohhh. looks like I am need of some more information.
What do you mean it will drop my RPMS 1500-1700?

The engine is turning a water pump, alternator, power steering, crank.

mlstrass
10-22-2012, 04:12 AM
wait...you didn't demo? I could have swore you did. We had a video of some guy saying "wow...that really kicks you in the ****"
Ok I will.

I only played it 3-4 times that day, was just too tired after working all night. And we got hassled by some church lady and the hotels across the highway

mlstrass
10-22-2012, 04:16 AM
Uh ohhh. looks like I am need of some more information.
What do you mean it will drop my RPMS 1500-1700?

The engine is turning a water pump, alternator, power steering, crank.

You'll need to haver RPM up around 3000 when playing full tilt as those alts will eat up 10-15Hp each which will bog the motor down. In my van I have to be around 3200RPM when demo'ing as the alts will pull the motor down to around 1500RPM. I only have a weak *** v-6, so not much torque like a v-8

jockhater2
10-22-2012, 09:25 AM
You'll need to haver RPM up around 3000 when playing full tilt as those alts will eat up 10-15Hp each which will bog the motor down. In my van I have to be around 3200RPM when demo'ing as the alts will pull the motor down to around 1500RPM. I only have a weak *** v-6, so not much torque like a v-8

Ohhhhhh ok. But the alternators don't rob that much horsepower unless your playing full tilt?

mlstrass
10-23-2012, 04:21 AM
Ohhhhhh ok. But the alternators don't rob that much horsepower unless your playing full tilt?

Correct, and you can wire the 2nd alt on a toggle switch, so it's not being used during daily driving...

jockhater2
10-23-2012, 10:28 AM
Correct, and you can wire the 2nd alt on a toggle switch, so it's not being used during daily driving...


But this system is daily. I drive the car mostly during the winter. But the toggle switch would be a good idea for whenever my fiance's in the car and I don't have the music on.

Can you help me understand it all better. How come the alternator only robs HP when there is a high demand. How come it doesn't rob HP at all times.
And for the toggle switch. Would I just splice it into my exciter wire? My car only has a single exciter wire that connects to the alternator.

mlstrass
10-24-2012, 03:56 AM
But this system is daily. I drive the car mostly during the winter. But the toggle switch would be a good idea for whenever my fiance's in the car and I don't have the music on.

Can you help me understand it all better. How come the alternator only robs HP when there is a high demand. How come it doesn't rob HP at all times.
And for the toggle switch. Would I just splice it into my exciter wire? My car only has a single exciter wire that connects to the alternator.

Alt puts out power on demand, it will draw a few HP all the time, but much more when under a load/putting out max amperage.

Yes wire a toggle into the exciter/turn on wire and you'll be set...

jockhater2
10-24-2012, 08:00 AM
Alt puts out power on demand, it will draw a few HP all the time, but much more when under a load/putting out max amperage.

Yes wire a toggle into the exciter/turn on wire and you'll be set...

Wow. Thank you so much for the information. I was under the assumption the alternator put out max amps based on rpms not load. And that explains why my car drives normal when there is no music. But when I turn the music on. My car feels a lot slower.

And the toggle switch a great idea. Thank you for that!

mlstrass
10-26-2012, 06:48 AM
np. I'm sure I'll see you at a show next year...

evilplastic99
11-01-2012, 04:07 PM
Hey Jockhater2 I bought the 2 zv.3 from you. They are doing well on the saz 3500. Doing a 146.9 out of the trunk. I just redid my front stage with CDT 6.5 and 3/4" tweet. I am running them active off a sax 100.4. Sounds great and keeps up with that much sub stage. Why dont you look for a sax 100.4? They go for like $250 shipped used. They have great crossovers with hpf, lpf, subsonic and switchable 12db and 24db slopes.

jockhater2
11-01-2012, 07:08 PM
Hey Jockhater2 I bought the 2 zv.3 from you. They are doing well on the saz 3500. Doing a 146.9 out of the trunk. I just redid my front stage with CDT 6.5 and 3/4" tweet. I am running them active off a sax 100.4. Sounds great and keeps up with that much sub stage. Why dont you look for a sax 100.4? They go for like $250 shipped used. They have great crossovers with hpf, lpf, subsonic and switchable 12db and 24db slopes.

Thanks for the suggestion. I picked up SOMETHING WAYYYYYY better than 1/2 of the amps out there. I got an Audison LRx 6.9k for $300. Working and in like new condition. Such a sick deal. Those amps are $1200 new.

Is that 147 on music?

evilplastic99
11-02-2012, 10:49 AM
Thanks for the suggestion. I picked up SOMETHING WAYYYYYY better than 1/2 of the amps out there. I got an Audison LRx 6.9k for $300. Working and in like new condition. Such a sick deal. Those amps are $1200 new.

Is that 147 on music?

No that is burp at 45hz. Sealed on dash. That Audison should work nicely.

jockhater2
11-02-2012, 12:37 PM
No that is burp at 45hz. Sealed on dash. That Audison should work nicely.

0hhhh 0k. They sh0uld be able t0 d0 cl0se t0 that 0n music.

J31Rob
11-02-2012, 12:39 PM
I've got a pair of Memphis MSync 6.5" components that on 75wrms are extremely hard to drown out & do serious work. Sound amazing doing it.

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(they're for sale for $120 shipped)