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clickclickw00t
09-12-2012, 09:16 PM
I'm sure most of you have seen the new iPhone 5 and Apple's newest iTouch releases.

There's just one problem for all of us that use an ipod cable to connect to head units:

THIS UNIT HAS A LIGHTING PORT!!!!

Yes, that's right, as can be seen here:

iPhone - Buy iPhone 5 with Free Shipping - Apple Store (U.S.) (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone)

The port is different. This is something everyone with a headunit that uses an ipod cable are going to have to deal with. Just more $$$ for Apple via accessories everyone will be. I'm sure there will be bulky adapters, but I'm really not looking forward to how ugly that will make my interior.

Let's hear some thoughts on this!

kramer_212
09-12-2012, 09:28 PM
Droid/Thread.

West
09-12-2012, 09:30 PM
iPhone is meh

clickclickw00t
09-12-2012, 09:33 PM
I'd kinda like to at least try and keep this thread to people who are actually being affected by this problem, instead of comments on the iPhone.

CJL
09-12-2012, 09:33 PM
Love my 4S but im dissapointed in the i5's screen. I was hoping it would be wider not just taller.

Just have to **** it up and buy a new cord,im not using that adaptor.

thevic24
09-12-2012, 09:34 PM
Why is a discussion about a stupid azz phone in the head unit section?

Dirtrider4eva
09-12-2012, 09:38 PM
Who cares? Honestly when you break it down the phone really hasn't changed since release.
Anyways, once they start making android hu units, iPhone dead

clickclickw00t
09-12-2012, 09:41 PM
Anyways, once they start making android hu units, iPhone dead


once they start making android hu units


once they start making



once they start

.... I'm just wondering what people's plans are. No reason to talk smack about the iPhone.

West
09-12-2012, 10:14 PM
Honestly my thought is once my iPhone dies I am getting a droid, yes I use it currently with my HU, but a 3.5mm to RCA jack works just fine for most HU's if you have an AUX port.

You don't have to play apple's game if you dont want to. Unless you have a double din with a nice screen its much easier to control your iphone from your iphone. Just my opinion on the topic.

clickclickw00t
09-12-2012, 10:46 PM
Honestly my thought is once my iPhone dies I am getting a droid, yes I use it currently with my HU, but a 3.5mm to RCA jack works just fine for most HU's if you have an AUX port.

You don't have to play apple's game if you dont want to. Unless you have a double din with a nice screen its much easier to control your iphone from your iphone. Just my opinion on the topic.

You do know that when you use the 3.5mm headphone jack you're using the iPod's amp and you're distorting the output because, in effect, it's being amplified 2 times, once by the ipod, and then by the headunit. When you connect your ipod/iphone device straight to your headunit via a USB cable, the head unit is doing the Digital to Analog conversion and you have better audio quality?

brynm
09-12-2012, 10:48 PM
You realize a lot of people don't care?

West
09-12-2012, 10:55 PM
You do know that when you use the 3.5mm headphone jack you're using the iPod's amp and you're distorting the output because, in effect, it's being amplified 2 times, once by the ipod, and then by the headunit. When you connect your ipod/iphone device straight to your headunit via a USB cable, the head unit is doing the Digital to Analog conversion and you have better audio quality?

I am super picky about music, but unless you are dealing with apple lossless or higher quailty files its not going to matter that much.
I can barely stand the sound out of an i-device with or without the USB anyway.
.mp3 or whatever the compressed apple files are is a crap format compared to a cd so why bother...
On my elcipse I actually preferred the 3.5mm output compared to the joke of an ipod adapotor they sold.

rebelfromva
09-12-2012, 11:01 PM
How much for it unlocked 800?

tc300
09-12-2012, 11:40 PM
Who cares? Honestly when you break it down the phone really hasn't changed since release.
Anyways, once they start making android hu units, iPhone dead

That's kind of funny.... when you break it down go to your local cell phone stores, every new phone out is mimicking the iPhone big-screen ... no buttons... The iphone changed the cell phone market for ever!!!

tc300
09-12-2012, 11:44 PM
I am super picky about music, but unless you are dealing with apple lossless or higher quailty files its not going to matter that much.
I can barely stand the sound out of an i-device with or without the USB anyway.
.mp3 or whatever the compressed apple files are is a crap format compared to a cd so why bother...
On my elcipse I actually preferred the 3.5mm output compared to the joke of an ipod adapotor they sold.


I use my 4s headphone jack when listening to music in car.. Not sure if u know but u can eq any song in your itunes library and then when you put it on your device it will stay EQ'd

tc300
09-12-2012, 11:49 PM
You do know that when you use the 3.5mm headphone jack you're using the iPod's amp and you're distorting the output because, in effect, it's being amplified 2 times, once by the ipod, and then by the headunit. When you connect your ipod/iphone device straight to your headunit via a USB cable, the head unit is doing the Digital to Analog conversion and you have better audio quality?

Ive used my phone on my buddys deck via usb... Those same songs dont sound as good as in my car with 3.5 jack.. Tho my system is better tuned also.. :-)

rfmayhem
09-13-2012, 12:16 AM
i really hope apple have some type of trading program for all the people who brought all those docking station/accessory etc. that was a bad idea changing that port now all the companies out there that support apple device got to switch up SMH

West
09-13-2012, 12:17 AM
Ive used my phone on my buddys deck via usb... Those same songs dont sound as good as in my car with 3.5 jack.. Tho my system is better tuned also.. :-)

I think you can get some more noise from the usb low level line. I don't notice the noise with the 3.5mm

armykyle1
09-13-2012, 12:23 AM
another way for apple to soak up America's money and sue samsung.

I'm not surprised at all

splwj47
09-13-2012, 12:28 AM
another way for apple to soak up America's money and sue samsung.

I'm not surprised at all

so what did u all win from the ia contest?

tc300
09-13-2012, 12:28 AM
another way for apple to soak up America's money and sue samsung.

I'm not surprised at all

Lmao! Glad we bought some apple stock back when the first iphone came out!!! :-)

Can we say CHING CHING!!!

clickclickw00t
09-13-2012, 01:27 AM
I think you can get some more noise from the usb low level line. I don't notice the noise with the 3.5mm

I'm not even sending low-level line over the USB, the MP3 file is essentially being read digitally by the headunit, and then converted on the headunit to play on the audio system (if I'm not mistaken?).

West
09-13-2012, 01:29 AM
I'm not even sending low-level line over the USB, the MP3 file is essentially being read digitally by the headunit, and then converted on the headunit to play on the audio system (if I'm not mistaken?).

I can hear inteference from the usb... don't know if its from the cord or from the crappy iphone... lol

clickclickw00t
09-13-2012, 01:32 AM
I can hear inteference from the usb... don't know if its from the cord or from the crappy iphone... lol

It all also depends on the chord you have. When I first got my Pioneer P4400BH, I got a crappy e-bay cable and I had interference too, and I couldn't do streaming video to the headunit.

Then I shelled out $70 for a genuine Pioneer iPod USB connector, and haven't had a single problem since...

West
09-13-2012, 01:42 AM
It all also depends on the chord you have. When I first got my Pioneer P4400BH, I got a crappy e-bay cable and I had interference too, and I couldn't do streaming video to the headunit.

Then I shelled out $70 for a genuine Pioneer iPod USB connector, and haven't had a single problem since...

I am using the cable that came packaged with my p99rs... might be my iphone its seen a few trips to the floor

gckless
09-13-2012, 09:35 AM
USB vs. 3.5mm, in theory and on a smaller scale in practice, should be no contest. I'm no audio professor, but I do work with telecommunications every day, and I can say from experience that the longer you can keep a signal digital, the better that signal will stay true to it's original form. Once you convert that file to analog at the iPod to transmit over the 3.5mm, it starts to hit some degredation. I know I can notice a difference in USB vs. 3.5mm, in low vs. high bit rate MP3's, and in MP3's vs. a lossless signal or CD's. If you can't, why on earth would you continue to spend money to make your already dirty source try to sound better? I will continue to use digital, USB in this case. Yeah there's way more that comes into play here, but simply put, USB should always win in a contest vs. 3.5mm, except that 3.5mm you can plug into any device.

I just hope those lightning USB cables come out soon, and that these firmwares on the HU's all work with the new hardware/software.

d77543020
09-13-2012, 01:30 PM
You do know that when you use the 3.5mm headphone jack you're using the iPod's amp and you're distorting the output because, in effect, it's being amplified 2 times, once by the ipod, and then by the headunit. When you connect your ipod/iphone device straight to your headunit via a USB cable, the head unit is doing the Digital to Analog conversion and you have better audio quality?
i always hear this and hostley i cant hear that much of a diffrence between the headphone jack and dock conecter

wErd
09-13-2012, 01:48 PM
I'm sure most of you have seen the new iPhone 5 and Apple's newest iTouch releases.

There's just one problem for all of us that use an ipod cable to connect to head units:

THIS UNIT HAS A LIGHTING PORT!!!!

Yes, that's right, as can be seen here:

iPhone - Buy iPhone 5 with Free Shipping - Apple Store (U.S.) (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone)

The port is different. This is something everyone with a headunit that uses an ipod cable are going to have to deal with. Just more $$$ for Apple via accessories everyone will be. I'm sure there will be bulky adapters, but I'm really not looking forward to how ugly that will make my interior.

Let's hear some thoughts on this!


Get a headunit with a USB port. Most nowadays have that instead of a dedicated iPhone cable.

clickclickw00t
09-13-2012, 05:00 PM
Get a headunit with a USB port. Most nowadays have that instead of a dedicated iPhone cable.

My headunit does have a USB port, however my iphone serves as my hub of digital everything:
music
movies
pictures
GPS
address/phonebook/bluetooth calling
Pandora

clickclickw00t
09-13-2012, 05:03 PM
USB vs. 3.5mm, in theory and on a smaller scale in practice, should be no contest. I'm no audio professor, but I do work with telecommunications every day, and I can say from experience that the longer you can keep a signal digital, the better that signal will stay true to it's original form. Once you convert that file to analog at the iPod to transmit over the 3.5mm, it starts to hit some degredation. I know I can notice a difference in USB vs. 3.5mm, in low vs. high bit rate MP3's, and in MP3's vs. a lossless signal or CD's. If you can't, why on earth would you continue to spend money to make your already dirty source try to sound better? I will continue to use digital, USB in this case. Yeah there's way more that comes into play here, but simply put, USB should always win in a contest vs. 3.5mm, except that 3.5mm you can plug into any device.


I just hope those lightning USB cables come out soon, and that these firmwares on the HU's all work with the new hardware/software.


And yes, you're completely right. Theory, and slightly in practice, USB wins over 3.5mm by default. USB allows the head unit to receieve the digital file, convert it to analog sound, and send it out through your speakers. On the other hand, the 3.5mm jack is converted from digital to analog by the ipod/iphone dac (which *****), and then it's amplified through the 3.5mm jack, and then amplified AGAIN through the head unit.

Kangaroux
09-13-2012, 05:03 PM
Never liked apple, especially after my ipod touch just randomly stopped working one day from the battery shorting out and nearly catching on fire. Luckily my headunit supports an SD card so I just put all my music on that.

wErd
09-13-2012, 06:15 PM
My headunit does have a USB port, however my iphone serves as my hub of digital everything:
music
movies
pictures

GPS
address/phonebook/bluetooth calling
Pandora

Maybe I'm missing somethin here. On my iPhone I plug the USB cable from my phone to my headunit and all my music, pandora and even phone calls come thru. The new lighting plug will still be USB on the other end....

Dirtrider4eva
09-14-2012, 11:09 AM
Cd > USB > aux
No discussion. Always will be true

Dirtrider4eva
09-14-2012, 11:11 AM
Also I'm pretty sure apple uses a weaker sound processor in the iPhone vs the iPod touch. Dot quote me on that but I remember hearing it

clickclickw00t
09-14-2012, 02:49 PM
Maybe I'm missing somethin here. On my iPhone I plug the USB cable from my phone to my headunit and all my music, pandora and even phone calls come thru. The new lighting plug will still be USB on the other end....

Yea it will, but that means you will have to buy that adapter. Also, it means that if you share a car with someone that plugs in their iPhone/iTouch in the car sometimes, they will not be able to because you will have a lighting port, not an ipod port. Furthermore, another $70 to buy from Pioneer.

wErd
09-14-2012, 03:54 PM
Yea it will, but that means you will have to buy that adapter. Also, it means that if you share a car with someone that plugs in their iPhone/iTouch in the car sometimes, they will not be able to because you will have a lighting port, not an ipod port. Furthermore, another $70 to buy from Pioneer.

What do you need an adapter for? Use your charging plug. plug the USB into the radio, plug the other end in your phone.

clickclickw00t
09-15-2012, 06:34 PM
What do you need an adapter for? Use your charging plug. plug the USB into the radio, plug the other end in your phone.

doesn't support Video-out.

Also, apparently the new Iphone 5 does not let you control, surf, or browse playlists and active iPhone controls via the lighting port. WTF is that about?

wErd
09-15-2012, 06:48 PM
doesn't support Video-out.

Also, apparently the new Iphone 5 does not let you control, surf, or browse playlists and active iPhone controls via the lighting port. WTF is that about?

Whaaaaaaaat. THAT does $uck

clickclickw00t
09-15-2012, 06:50 PM
Whaaaaaaaat. THAT does $uck

At least from what I've read, it won't be compatible with the adapter. I'm assuming that Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine, etc will pay apple BIG $$$ to license lightning to usb adapters that will allow this function. If this function is removed completely, I'm sticking with my iPhone 4. Plus, I feel like its so dangerous to use the iphone to control while driving, using a headunit (esp touchscreen) is a lot safer.