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Hoptologist
09-11-2012, 06:28 AM
I've had the Hertz MLK 165 for a couple years now. They are the first and only components I've ever had.

I love them, but if I could change them, I would make them a little more smooth on the highs and more forgiving of the harshness from bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers.

I used to run them passive, but ever since going active on my Audison LRX 5.1k, they just sound a little too- I don't know how to put it- sometimes I feel like I'm about to get a headache- from extended listening, so fatiguing I guess? Whereas I didn't notice it as much when running passive.

I'm getting a new car soon and kind of want to keep the Audison, but get new sub and components. Plus, I love the thrill and feeling of having new and different equipment again :P

What would be great:
Slightly smoother highs or midrange
Little more midbass
Slightly more forgiving of harsher sounds - like Red Hot Chili Peppers or Jimi Hendrix (I guess I have sensitive ears) - but that will still 'rock'

I've been listening to a lot of newer electronic/electro-pop lately on my Hertz MLK 165 because that is what sounds best on them, to me. I'd like to listen to more classic rock, rock, and alternative, but it just gets fatiguing after a while for me on the Hertz.

I would love to hear some Morel's because I've heard they are 'warmer' but many of the Morel dealers I've called have switched to HAT. I'm looking to stay under $700, so from HAT, that would give me the Clarus C61-2. What do you guys think?

shutmdown
09-11-2012, 07:15 AM
have you tried running the tweeters with the different cups? The large chamber seems to be less harsh.

ejschultz
09-11-2012, 08:11 AM
Californication is a great CD that's mixed for crap. The entire CD is clipped. By the Way is mixed decently. I'm With You is alright half the time; the other half is pretty clipped. Stadium Arcadium is, all in all, a pretty well mixed CD. Going to the stuff that's a little older, One Hot Minute is pretty good quality wise, Blood Sugar *** Magic is mixed very well but is a lot quieter than the rest of their albums, and the rest are pretty good if you get the remasters (Mother's Milk, The Uplift Mofo Party Plan, Freaky Styley, and the self titled album). If you don't have the remasters, they're subpar at best. Being a huge Chili Peppers fan, I've learned to disregard source level clipping when needed. As for Hendrix, I've only got a couple of his albums and I don't really listen to them all too often, at least not enough to break them down like the Chili Peppers.

I'd say keep the MLKs and see if you can play with your EQ to tone down the tweeters rather than swapping the whole set out for something different.

Hoptologist
09-11-2012, 02:42 PM
have you tried running the tweeters with the different cups? The large chamber seems to be less harsh.

Unfortunately no, I've only been running the small chambers due to available space in my current car where they were installed, inside of my side mirrors, whatever that's called.

Hoptologist
09-11-2012, 02:45 PM
Californication is a great CD that's mixed for crap. The entire CD is clipped. By the Way is mixed decently. I'm With You is alright half the time; the other half is pretty clipped. Stadium Arcadium is, all in all, a pretty well mixed CD. Going to the stuff that's a little older, One Hot Minute is pretty good quality wise, Blood Sugar *** Magic is mixed very well but is a lot quieter than the rest of their albums, and the rest are pretty good if you get the remasters (Mother's Milk, The Uplift Mofo Party Plan, Freaky Styley, and the self titled album). If you don't have the remasters, they're subpar at best. Being a huge Chili Peppers fan, I've learned to disregard source level clipping when needed. As for Hendrix, I've only got a couple of his albums and I don't really listen to them all too often, at least not enough to break them down like the Chili Peppers.

I'd say keep the MLKs and see if you can play with your EQ to tone down the tweeters rather than swapping the whole set out for something different.

Good to know about RHCP, ill have to get the remasters. That said, when I get the new car, everything is going to be swapped out anyways out of my current ride, and I always enjoy getting new 'toys' lol. I guess I could try the large chambers first, do you think it would be tough to find something on par or better than the mlk?

Also Also my Pioneer deh 5100ub deck only has a 7 band eq. I have the highs down a notch. I love the pioneers because of their direct iPod control through USB.

Hoptologist
09-12-2012, 01:27 AM
I think it's not the highs that kind of give me the onset of a headache, but the midrange. On my EQ, lowering the 2k band and 5k band make the most improvement. The next band is 12.5k and it sounds fine at 'even' or even +1.

I don't know what I want to do. I kind of have the upgrade bug, or just the want for a new/different sound, but definitely wouldn't want to downgrade. Smoother midrange and more midbass would be awesome.

shutmdown
09-12-2012, 06:04 AM
I think it's not the highs that kind of give me the onset of a headache, but the midrange. On my EQ, lowering the 2k band and 5k band make the most improvement. The next band is 12.5k and it sounds fine at 'even' or even +1.

I don't know what I want to do. I kind of have the upgrade bug, or just the want for a new/different sound, but definitely wouldn't want to downgrade. Smoother midrange and more midbass would be awesome.

quick question what are you crossover points? Not sure if you have the latest model or the previous model, but I believe the crossover points of the passives were 2.5k @ 12db slope. What do you have it crossed at the moment? adjusting the 5k band will most likely be apparent in the tweeters so maybe play with your crossover points

ejschultz
09-12-2012, 08:08 AM
You could always just send the speakers to me, I'll test them out in my Jeep. If they're good, I'll send them back. If they ****, I'll just keep em so you don't have to worry about having ****** speakers.

Alrojoca
09-12-2012, 08:32 AM
I would check out the Focals or the raimbow germanium they are smoother and may sound better with bad recordings.

shutmdown
09-12-2012, 06:40 PM
havent auditioned the rainbow germaniums, but i think most of the focals had a harsher tweeter than the mlk's

Hoptologist
09-12-2012, 08:20 PM
quick question what are you crossover points? Not sure if you have the latest model or the previous model, but I believe the crossover points of the passives were 2.5k @ 12db slope. What do you have it crossed at the moment? adjusting the 5k band will most likely be apparent in the tweeters so maybe play with your crossover points

Can't remember off hand, I'll have to check and post later. They are the previous model (not the new ones that came out this year). It might also just be my car that I've growing to dislike lol. It's old and even though it has a ton of deadening, I'm sure a new car one would have better interior acoustics.


You could always just send the speakers to me, I'll test them out in my Jeep. If they're good, I'll send them back. If they ****, I'll just keep em so you don't have to worry about having ****** speakers.

:P


I would check out the Focals or the raimbow germanium they are smoother and may sound better with bad recordings.

I would love to hear some Rainbows, but the closest dealer is like 10 hours away according to their website list. Do the Germaniums fall in their mid-range in their speaker lineup?


havent auditioned the rainbow germaniums, but i think most of the focals had a harsher tweeter than the mlk's

I always thought of Focals as bright too, from reading about them.

shadow
09-12-2012, 08:28 PM
I have the ML1600 ML700 and ML280
Smooth ....
PS. If ya want laid back check out Morel...

Alrojoca
09-12-2012, 09:01 PM
There are more a couple of more expensive models in the Rainbow line I think.

Maybe you need an HU that has more EQ bands, or a sound processor with time delay, better hi/low pass crossovers.

It is difficult, tweeter placement is a big factor, you need to try different positions to see what works better, maybe placing them on the dash, maybe just above knee level.

You already have great speakers, maybe you need other components to get the most from them.

ejschultz
09-13-2012, 08:18 AM
You could get a new HU and possibly a new amp to allow you to go active. That'd allow you to tone down the tweeter entirely rather than just EQing it down. The harshness of the tweeters is the main reason I went active in my Jeep. The passive crossovers, even at their lowest setting, passed too much power onto the tweeters.

Alrojoca
09-13-2012, 03:25 PM
Active is the way to go if the op is willing to be patient to set it, an HU with a good HP LP crossover or a 3 way may be better. The amp used can make a difference in the sound too. I would start with the HU, then spend $600 plus if that does not help. [:-)

Hoptologist
09-13-2012, 05:41 PM
You could get a new HU and possibly a new amp to allow you to go active. That'd allow you to tone down the tweeter entirely rather than just EQing it down. The harshness of the tweeters is the main reason I went active in my Jeep. The passive crossovers, even at their lowest setting, passed too much power onto the tweeters.


Active is the way to go if the op is willing to be patient to set it, an HU with a good HP LP crossover or a 3 way may be better. The amp used can make a difference in the sound too. I would start with the HU, then spend $600 plus if that does not help. [:-)

Haha you silly guys made me think I was going crazy for a sec. I knew I posted this in the opening post, but had to double check after your replies. (You did read my opening post right?) :P

"I used to run them passive, but ever since going active on my Audison LRX 5.1k, they just sound a little too- I don't know how to put it- sometimes I feel like I'm about to get a headache- from extended listening, so fatiguing I guess? Whereas I didn't notice it as much when running passive."

quackhead
09-13-2012, 06:05 PM
MSW | Car Audio Stereo, Car Subwoofers, Car Amplifiers and Speakers (http://www.mobilesoundworks.com/product_p/morel-hybrid-ovation-ii-6.htm)
Hybrid 2-way Morel (http://www.morelhifi.com/car-audio/hybrid-ovation-ii/hybrid-2-way-2)

shutmdown
09-13-2012, 10:20 PM
Active is the way to go if the op is willing to be patient to set it, an HU with a good HP LP crossover or a 3 way may be better. The amp used can make a difference in the sound too. I would start with the HU, then spend $600 plus if that does not help. [:-)
OP is running active, I think at this point he needs to play with his EQ setting and he has 7 bands which is actually pretty decent. If he wants to make fine adjustments he's going to need a bit.1 to go with that audison or a EQ with more bands. Having a better HU really wont be doing much cause all you can do is set the bandpass point and the high pass and the slope at which he wants to cut off...

Alrojoca
09-13-2012, 11:49 PM
Post 14 confused me, I guess I will stick to what I said on post 13, a better sound processor or EQ. What the OP needs is one of these:
Audison Full DA presentazione - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM7QoJTB--I&feature=player_embedded#)!

ejschultz
09-14-2012, 12:12 AM
I read the original post yesterday morning, as I was waking up. When I first get out of bed, I take a leak, then sit at the computer and read forums while eating a bowl of mini wheats to help cook up a healthy poop. I shouldn't post the next morning while I'm doing the same thing without re-reading the op; I forgot you were active already. Sorry bout that.

Hoptologist
09-14-2012, 02:35 AM
OP is running active, I think at this point he needs to play with his EQ setting and he has 7 bands which is actually pretty decent. If he wants to make fine adjustments he's going to need a bit.1 to go with that audison or a EQ with more bands. Having a better HU really wont be doing much cause all you can do is set the bandpass point and the high pass and the slope at which he wants to cut off...

AFAIK my deck only has 5 bands of EQ, unless I'm having a quarter-age moment.


Post 14 confused me, I guess I will stick to what I said on post 13, a better sound processor or EQ. What the OP needs is one of these:
Audison Full DA presentazione - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM7QoJTB--I&feature=player_embedded#)!

Wow, finally, all digital until the amp, I love it, I want it. How much will one of these Full DA capable amps cost? When will this whole thing really get momentum in the car audio world?


I read the original post yesterday morning, as I was waking up. When I first get out of bed, I take a leak, then sit at the computer and read forums while eating a bowl of mini wheats to help cook up a healthy poop. I shouldn't post the next morning while I'm doing the same thing without re-reading the op; I forgot you were active already. Sorry bout that.

Haha, no worries :)

shutmdown
09-14-2012, 04:49 AM
AFAIK my deck only has 5 bands of EQ, unless I'm having a quarter-age moment.


According to post 5 you mentioned 7. I think most decks have 5 parametric and 7 graphic bands.

Hoptologist
09-14-2012, 06:53 AM
According to post 5 you mentioned 7. I think most decks have 5 parametric and 7 graphic bands.

You're right, it is 7, I should probably start getting more sleep. I've been foruming way to much lately. This is only part of it, you'd think I was crazy if I told you how long I've been on avsforums and Amazon reading reviews etc, in my quest to find the perfect TV for me. Just returned a LG 55LM7600 tonight because I couldn't get over the edge-bleed at night.

I really want to improve my sound, I just can't pinpoint what exactly is bothering me. Since going active, I feel like my soundstage is larger, but I also feel like some songs sound too tin-like, or metal-like, or 'hot' or edgey, or low quality. Some songs sound great as 'flat' on my EQ, others make me want to skip them or turn the volume down, and that's when I try to start fiddling with the EQ to try to find the problem. Usually turning the 2k or 5k down helps.

I'd love to just magically teleport in some Morels, Dynaudios, Hybrid Audios, or Rainbows to see the immediate differences, but unfortunately that's not how it works.

I'm really considering a BitTen D or BitOne to see how that helps. Also researching improvements at the source (e.g. head units with optical -> BitOne). I only use my iPod. Most of my songs are ALAC lossless. I like my current deck because I can connect it via USB, bypass my iPod's DAC, see the songs display on my headunit, yet still navigate using my iPod. Sometimes I just wanna go Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

shadow
09-14-2012, 07:24 AM
Like what was said about the Chile peppers, Could be the quality of the recordings themselves...
Some recordings sound like azz And the better the system the more those recordings will be exposed...
You might try get'n some known SQ recordings. Then see if you have the sound annoyances you are experiencing...

ejschultz
09-14-2012, 07:56 AM
Like what was said about the Chile peppers, Could be the quality of the recordings themselves...
Some recordings sound like azz And the better the system the more those recordings will be exposed...
You might try get'n some known SQ recordings. Then see if you have the sound annoyances you are experiencing...

Read my post about their albums. The Chili Peppers have some decent recordings and some terrible recordings. It depends on which albums you play.

Alrojoca
09-14-2012, 01:21 PM
I agree, some recordings you can't make them sound the way you want, no matter what you do. Some good recordings sound great on almost any system. You would need one of those digital sound processors, or an HU like the pr99s that has 32 bands of eq per channel

Here is another link for the audison Dsp one and 10, they are going for under $430 for the bit 10 and under $700 for the bit 1, the remote may be the only difference. I'm sure a local dealer can offer a similar deal and get a better warranty.

http://www.audison.eu/index.php?page=productLine&id=5

shadow
09-14-2012, 08:56 PM
Right and???
Read my post about their albums. The Chili Peppers have some decent recordings and some terrible recordings. It depends on which albums you play.

keep_hope_alive
09-15-2012, 12:57 AM
Hands down, if the MLK-165 are not the smoothest, most natural speaker system, your install needs attention.

They are capable of so much midbass, you can run them without a sub. But the install is key. They are revealing, and like reference monitors.

This is how to install them:
http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1904111/page/0/fpart/1
We have $600 in vehicle treatments and over 100 hours in install.

The tweeters can be silly smooth, if you install them correctly.

The problems you are having are not the speakers, and any drop in replacements can have the same issues. Share pics of the install, speaker mounting, etc.

You can spend a grand on new speakers, and they won't help Poorly mixed music sound better.

You can buy speakers with more midrange distortion (most do) and maybe that would help your perception.

audiobaun
09-15-2012, 01:21 AM
I have the ML1600 ML700 and ML280
Smooth ....
PS. If ya want laid back check out Morel...

I can sit back and listen to your system all day long man..sounds amazing!Jelly isnt the word:respekt:

keep_hope_alive
09-15-2012, 01:47 AM
I agree Morel can give you what you want for tonality.

Flex68
09-15-2012, 02:32 AM
I'm looking to stay under $700, so from HAT, that would give me the Clarus C61-2. What do you guys think?

Follow the advice given about checking your current install and playing with all settings before dropping in another set...but if/when you do, you can save about half of that $700 by going used

Hoptologist
09-15-2012, 05:46 AM
Thanks everyone for the awesome advice.


Hands down, if the MLK-165 are not the smoothest, most natural speaker system, your install needs attention.

They are capable of so much midbass, you can run them without a sub. But the install is key. They are revealing, and like reference monitors.

This is how to install them:
http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1904111/page/0/fpart/1
We have $600 in vehicle treatments and over 100 hours in install.

The tweeters can be silly smooth, if you install them correctly.

The problems you are having are not the speakers, and any drop in replacements can have the same issues. Share pics of the install, speaker mounting, etc.

You can spend a grand on new speakers, and they won't help Poorly mixed music sound better.

You can buy speakers with more midrange distortion (most do) and maybe that would help your perception.

I went through the thread in your link, and wow. Is the reason the owner is using the MLK crossovers because he wanted to power the rears on the same amp? The only deadening I have done in my car is the trunk and 2 front doors. My whole car rattles, it sux. When I get the new car I'll invest a huge chunk of money into deadening the entire thing.

shadow
09-15-2012, 07:53 AM
Thx Brah... Means a lot to hear that from someone who "gets it"....
I can't tell ya how much gas I've burned up just set'n in the drive way listening to my system and fall'n asleep..lol
It's just so... peaceful to me...

I can sit back and listen to your system all day long man..sounds amazing!Jelly isnt the word:respekt:

ejschultz
09-15-2012, 08:48 AM
Right and???

Exactly.

keep_hope_alive
09-15-2012, 01:04 PM
Thanks everyone for the awesome advice.



I went through the thread in your link, and wow. Is the reason the owner is using the MLK crossovers because he wanted to power the rears on the same amp? The only deadening I have done in my car is the trunk and 2 front doors. My whole car rattles, it sux. When I get the new car I'll invest a huge chunk of money into deadening the entire thing.

yes, we are using the crossovers so he can run the rears. T/A on his rears adjust and depth the height of the sound stage. they are ran bandpass. the passive crossovers are really nice with the MLK, they add filters to help the tweeter overall. i recommend you do the following before you try swapping.

1. go back to running passive but now bridge the amp for 4x as much power.
2. don't just deaden the doors - seal them. the link shows you how. do that and you'll gain midbass. we ran the MLK without sealing the holes (but with a lot of deadener) and midbass was lacking due to phase interference. the door panel rattled also. sealed the doors and wow, what a difference. foam around the front of the woofer to seal to the door panel is also key. midbass requires mass and seals.
3. change how the tweeters are aimed and try to work in the deeper chamber. this will mean custom tweeter pods/spheres. the difference will be amazing and you'll get the smoothness you want.
4. add deadener as required to control resonance and add 1/8" CCF to control buzzes.

buying different speakers is a waste of money until you get the vehicle treated acoustically.

one thing that i have seen over 20 years is that speaker placement/aiming & airspace/enclosure (control of back wave) are vital to proper performance - regardless of how much you spend on them.

Hoptologist
09-15-2012, 05:53 PM
yes, we are using the crossovers so he can run the rears. T/A on his rears adjust and depth the height of the sound stage. they are ran bandpass. the passive crossovers are really nice with the MLK, they add filters to help the tweeter overall. i recommend you do the following before you try swapping.

1. go back to running passive but now bridge the amp for 4x as much power.
2. don't just deaden the doors - seal them. the link shows you how. do that and you'll gain midbass. we ran the MLK without sealing the holes (but with a lot of deadener) and midbass was lacking due to phase interference. the door panel rattled also. sealed the doors and wow, what a difference. foam around the front of the woofer to seal to the door panel is also key. midbass requires mass and seals.
3. change how the tweeters are aimed and try to work in the deeper chamber. this will mean custom tweeter pods/spheres. the difference will be amazing and you'll get the smoothness you want.
4. add deadener as required to control resonance and add 1/8" CCF to control buzzes.

buying different speakers is a waste of money until you get the vehicle treated acoustically.

one thing that i have seen over 20 years is that speaker placement/aiming & airspace/enclosure (control of back wave) are vital to proper performance - regardless of how much you spend on them.

1. I didn't think the Audison LRX 5.1k could be bridged?
2. I'll have to recheck the doors, I feel like when they were first installed the midbass was much nicer, maybe the deadening has peeled off in places (due to heat), because I do hear some rattlings/resonance now. I Also will try adding the foam around the front of the speaker, good tip.
3. Using the larger chambers is something I've always wanted to do. I will be sure to use them in the new car. It sounds like you are pretty confident they will make a difference.

keep_hope_alive
09-16-2012, 01:03 AM
You have the 5.1k also? Sorry, I missed that. Instead of full active, try bi-amp through the crossovers, at least for the tweeter inputs/outputs.

I am confident that improving mounting/aiming will make a difference.

Hoptologist
09-16-2012, 01:47 AM
You have the 5.1k also? Sorry, I missed that. Instead of full active, try bi-amp through the crossovers, at least for the tweeter inputs/outputs.

I am confident that improving mounting/aiming will make a difference.

I'll try to post some pics of my current setup tomorrow-ish. My crossovers aren't in my car anymore, not sure how to install them back in, would have to have installer do that, maybe I'll try in the new car. I want to take my door panel off and see how it's looking underneath, but I've never done that before. Is it relatively easy? And once again, your work looks killer, I wish I could do all that.

keep_hope_alive
09-16-2012, 01:17 PM
installing crossovers is easy, just do it near the amp, move the speaker wires from the amp outputs to the crossover outputs. run new wires from the amp outputs to the crossover inputs. just be careful to not mix up wiring for woofers and tweeters!!!

removing door panels is also easy. there are usually a few screws (typical locations are at the door handle (sometimes behind a removable panel), at the arm rest, and sometimes along the bottom). you typically remove the sail panel cover first, then door handle screw/cover, arm rest screw and window/door lock/control panel. the panel will pop off with clips from there, with a few wire harnesses you need to undo. once free, lift up as it hooks on the window ledge. be careful not to poke the woofer with the door panel.

you can find forums for your specific make/model that tell/show you exactly how to remove the panel.

none of this is "hard", it's just time consuming. you need to devote time to your install if you want it to sound good. money is always a factor, but time should be limitless. stay off the internet, don't watch TV, don't play games, don't sleep so much, just work on the car. :) most of my build was between 11pm-3am after the wife and kids went to sleep. Advocare Spark has helped me combat a lack of sleep while maintaining a high level of cognitive performance at work. kids steal sleep from you anyway, i just took advantage of the habit. :)

keep_hope_alive
09-16-2012, 01:20 PM
you could show your installer the Scion tC build and say "I want that".

Hoptologist
09-18-2012, 09:04 PM
Been busy this week with school, have a bunch of free time right now but no camera to take pics. Still tossing around the idea of getting different speakers.

I have however been listening to music this week with my subwoofer off, and I must say the Hertz MLK do put out pretty nice bass, although I hear a bunch of resonance/vibrations so I'm sure I could get even better output with more work. I have been playing with my EQ too, kind of fun seeing which bands effect which sounds in my songs.

Still seems like something is too bright or too detailed or revealing, I suppose a processor could fix that, which I am also looking into.

I've been reading threads comparing Hertz to Morel and HAT, seems like HAT's smoothest/laidback tweeter is the L1 Pro R2, read that all their other ones are more on the bright/revealing side. Can't find any MSRP prices for Morel. Going to try and get more opinions on these 3 speaker lineups. New car might be here sooner than expected.

Hoptologist
09-21-2012, 06:12 PM
Got my new car, been listening to the stock sound system for the last couple days.

This is going to sound absolutely crazy, but I think I like the sound of the Accord more than the MLK 165's. The highs are ridiculously smooth, I played several songs pretty loud that would normally give me the onset of fatigueness with the MLK's, and I just felt like I could listen to them forever.

The Accord has tweets installed on the dash facing upward right next to the windshield. Sounds more laid back (less hot/sharp) compared to the MLK165's. Sounds fuller/richer as well. The only things I noticed was that the mids sounded muddy on a few songs at higher volumes, less extension overall, less detail, but the fullness and richness make up for it.

So I may sell the MLK's and go with something else after all, unless using the large chambers would really make a huge difference and give me the mellow/more laid-back sound I love.

Hoptologist
10-02-2012, 07:22 PM
Thought I should update this thread...

After only driving the Accord around for a couple weeks, I decided to drive the car with the MLK 165's around for a couple days. I couldn't believe how awesome they sounded again lol. If I had to use one word to describe the difference, it would be fidelity. Instruments in songs are much more pronounced and easier to identify/recognize (better imaging). It almost felt like going from a boom-box in the Accord, to headphones with the MLK 165's. Or going from a tape player to CD player ...hard to describe for me. I even turned down the gain a little more on the tweets and obtained the sweet, laid back sound I like. They are still a little too detailed/revealing for my optimum liking, and I'm sure that's what others love about them, but it almost makes me hear the flaws in a lot of my favorite songs more than just hearing the song as a whole.

Anyways, I've decided I'm going to sell them and try something new/different. Either HAT Clarus, or HAT L3SE and L6 mid, not sure if I can fit the L3SE yet. I also want to try Morels and Dynaudio's in the future, but one step at a time. I'll also be changing out my IDMAX for either a DD 2500 or Arc Audio Black.

I've loved my IDMAX + Hertz MLK 165 setup for the past few years, but I've been itching to mix things up. New car, new equipment, new sound. Thanks everyone.