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West
08-25-2012, 01:44 AM
Review of Head Unit: Pioneer DEX-P99RS

I have noticed that no one on this forum has written a review about this deck so I will give it a shot.

Sound Quality gets a near perfect 9.75/10
(I now hear a fair amount of distortion in some of the recorded music so its almost a draw back. Clean music is crystal clear, but hard rock isn't as clean. There is an audio clean up feature which does help but its not 100%.)

Sonic accuracy is a 10/10
(Wow... is all I can say)

Ease of use 4/10
(I am being generous with that rating... But after everything is set its pretty simple.)

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p525/JosephStankovich/DEX-P99RS_right_large.jpg

The install...
This is by far the fastest install I have ever done with a head unit. Absolutely simple to drop into a vehicle.

The audio features...
You must, must, MUST read the manual to figure out the settings on this deck. Things that were simple on the HU I replaced (Eclipse CD7200 mkii) are impossible to find with out reading.

The deck is designed around an active crossover setup, and the default settings are geared to an active setup. The first mistake Pioneer made was how to access the most basic audio configuration. To get into the display the deck needs to be completely powered down and the right nob needs to be pressed and held down to get into the audio configuration. Figured that out after 30 min of trying to set it up with the deck on... giving up and referring to the manual which I had to cling to, to finish the task.

With the speaker configuration set (4 full range speaker and 2 subs). I could move onto the Auto Time Alignment/Auto Eq settings. Ran into another road block. The deck must be powered down to access the automatic adjustment settings. With the deck off, you hold the EQ button and it turns on in auto-adjustment mode. The tuning mic, which needs to be UN-plugged when you first start auto-adj. plugs in on the bottom side of the faceplate. Pioneer programmed the deck to tilt down so the user can see the mic jack underneath the faceplate (about the only intuitive thing they did to help the confused user...)

I did a bunch of reading and the best way to calibrate the unit is to be sitting in the car (engine/AC off) while the thing calibrates so it can take into account your body and the position which you sit. I bit the bullet and breathed slowly with the mic pinned to my glasses while the thing sent noise to each channel. Very good time alignment (considering I am not running active). The autotune does boost the mids a bit overzealously. I have read elsewhere that this IS a problem with how Pioneer designed the autotune feature.

(new 8/25/12 3:41 AM) I tried to set the crossovers manually and force the Auto-tune-alignment to set the equilization accordingly. Found that it was best to just let the deck decide the crossover points by itself, the sound had a lot more range and brightness. The deck uses the rear stage for only mids and the front stage for only highs.

(new 8/25/12 7:05 PM) I was poking around with it again today, I let the deck use its default cross over points and auto ta and eq, then I set the crossover points manually. I like the output much better now. Might be a good solution for those not running active crossovers. You will still need to use the equilizer to balance the levels some, this isn't a 100% fix.

Warm creamy goodness from each channel, provided I set the equilizer accordingly for the type of music I am listening to, the sub was very balanced which really surprised me even more than the highs. The auto EQ is OK, but should be improved upon.

Some other thoughts...

The black/white display is kind of small, but the overall look of it in the dash is really neat.

The buttons are very small and hard to find when driving.

The individal speaker levels are difficult to set, but auto EQ helps that.

The detail of the music is unsurpassed.

The learning curve is HUGE to overcome. I worked in IT for years and consider myself fairly tech savy and can pick up user interfaces quickly. This deck is completely unintuitive to set up and adjust, but it is completely worth learning.

Pioneer includes a USB cord and an iPod adaptor, usually these are optional accessories.

(new 8/25/12 3:41 AM) The Fm tuner picks up stations I could never get before. Really detailed and clear, even stations with poor signals sound good. I would suggest not adding the HD tuner, the deck's tuner does a great job on its own and your don't have to deal with HD drop off/cut out.

(new 8/25/12 4:14 AM) The deck has three visualization display options - two types of bar meters and McIntosh style power meters. Three guesses which I am using. lol

(new 8/25/12 4:14 AM) The deck has an internal battery which saves the settings even if the car's battery is disconnected.

(new 8/25/12 4:14 AM) It has a voltage meter read out on the display, but its not displayed when its showing the audio graphics discussed above.

Its a pricy deck, I dropped $750.00 for it (open box) and consider myself lucky for getting it at that price.

I would really think twice about paying $1200.00 retail for it...

These are my intial impressions and I will definately add more tomorrow.

Specifications
From Pioneer with my occasional input

Main Features

TunerAM, FM (24 pre-set stations).

Plays
• Your CD collection (including CD-R, CD-RW)
• MP3, WMA, WAV, AAC compressed audio files on CD and USB (<--- The music out of the USB is quite good for both .wav and .mp3 files. I had issues with the songs from last Pioneer deck when it read from a micro SD card, it caused distortion. I was happy to see this was not the case with the p99rs.)
• Your iPod, iPhone or USB device via the rear USB input (<--- The music out of my iPhone is the best I have ever heard for compressed music.)

• Other music devices via a front auxiliary input. (<--- The aux input is on the front in the form of a 2.5mm jack, it would have been nice if it had a standard RCA aux input in the back, but you can buy an adaptor if you want it for an RCA aux input.)

Front PanelFully detachable, automatic slide.

Display IlluminationWhite OEL.

Button IlluminationRGB (multi-colour). (<--- You can make the deck virtually any color with RGB levels, standard on most Pioneer decks.)

Rotary Commander (+)Yes.

Remote Control Included (Steering wheel). (<--- It comes with a harness to fasten the remote to the steering wheel... not really crazy about it.)

Multi-Language Display (+)Yes.

Cellular Telephone Auto Muting (+)Yes.

Connectivity

Aux-in (+)Front. (<--- 2.5mm jack not the standard 3.5mm)

Hard-wired Remote Input (+)Yes.

High Voltage Output (+)5 V.

IP Bus (+)Yes.

iPod Direct Control (+)Yes. (<--- I prefer to control my iPhone from my iPhone...)

RCA Preout (+)Gold plated, 4 sets (High, Mid, Low, Subwoofer).

Sub-display Output (+)Yes.

USB InputYes (Rear, Digital Direct).

Bluetooth

Bluetooth Ready (+)Yes, via optional CD-BTB200 Bluetooth adapter. (<<<--- WTF they give me free USB and iPod cables but NOT a bluetooth adapter... FAIL LOL)

iPod Compatibility

iPod ReadyYes, via optional cable CD-IU50. (<--- My unit came with this in the box...)

Works with iPhoneYes.

Compatible Generations September 2005 onwards.

Supported Functions
• Battery charging
• List browsing
• Music playback (track up/down, fast foward, rewind, pause, repeat and shuffle).

Tuner Features

Radio Data System (RDS) (+)Yes.

Traffic Announcement (+)Yes.

Best Stations Memory (BSM) (+)Yes.

Auto Alternative Frequency Search (+)Yes.

Auto/Manual Frequency Search (+)Yes.

PTY Search (+)Yes.

CD Player Features

CD Text (+)Yes.

USB TextYes.

Disc Title Memory (+)Yes.

Last Position Memory (+)Yes.

Random PlayYes.

Audio

Audio Components (+)
• Built-in 4-channel DSP
• Copper chassis
• OFC power supply .

Advanced Sound Retriever (+)Yes. (<<<---- This feature has its ups and downs. Sometimes you hear more detail sometimes you hear more distortion....)


Attenuator (+)Yes.

Auto EQ (+)Yes. (<<<--- Love it!)

Auto Time Alignment (+)Yes. (<<<--- Love it!)

115 dB Signal to noise ratio for CD's (<<<--- Very nice!)

BalanceYes.

D/A (24 bit) ConverterDigital direct.

Display Off Mode (+)Yes.

Graphic (Dual L/R) Equaliser31-band. (<<<--- The fact the deck has 31 bands is impressive, but makes auto EQ even more important, because the user cannot adjust the L/R channels only the auto EQ can. The user can adjust the net equilizer which is distributed to all channels.)

High Pass Filter (+)Yes.

Low Pass Filter (+)Yes.

Loudness (+)Yes.

Source Level Adjuster (SLA) (+)Yes

I will conclude by saying this is a wonderul and impressive deck. The sound is very rich and detailed, but there are weakness and things that need to be added/addressed in later models.

1) Pioneer should let the user control all EQ channels for each speaker, not just one Eq for all the speakers. The auto EQ does a good job ballancing the left and right channels, but there is no way to see (visually) where the auto EQ detected peaks/valleys.

2) The user interface needs a lot of work and the manual needs to be rearranged with a first time setup in mind. It starts with basic functions and jumps around...


Sample video (wish my iPhone had a better speaker)

Shows some of the visualizations and tuner. Click to play.

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p525/JosephStankovich/th_IMG_0916.jpg (http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p525/JosephStankovich/?action=view&current=IMG_0916.mp4)

Bettr n' Revrse
08-25-2012, 03:05 AM
Can I have it now?

West
08-25-2012, 03:44 AM
Can I have it now?

Well if your ever around Knoxville you can check it out.

chillin
08-25-2012, 05:16 AM
Good review.

West
08-26-2012, 11:24 PM
Review is done for now. Hope this gives some insight.

splwj47
08-26-2012, 11:30 PM
where did u get it at that price?

West
08-26-2012, 11:36 PM
where did u get it at that price?

They come up on eBay from time to time. One a few months ago for (800 + shipping). This one was originally posted for (850 + shipping) seller accepted my offer of (750+15$ shipping). Very pleased, it had absolutely no scrates on the faceplate and a small one on the side, not visable. If you are looking for one definately check ebay a few times a week, I would not pay $1200 for it. Also this is a 2011 model they added the internal battery and volt meter post 2005-6 so thats something to consider.

R34P3R
08-26-2012, 11:38 PM
Great review. Wish I could drop the coin.

West
08-26-2012, 11:42 PM
Great review. Wish I could drop the coin.

Thanks.

I know... definately took a chunk out of my bank account. Look for used/open box ones, espically if you are running active.

West
08-27-2012, 08:23 PM
new video, click 2 play

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p525/JosephStankovich/th_IMG_0916.jpg (http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p525/JosephStankovich/?action=view&current=IMG_0916.mp4)

rc10mike
08-27-2012, 09:04 PM
The AUTO TA/EQ doesnt actually choose the crossover settings for you. The unit has a "Default" crossover setting which is set at something like 8k 12db slopes. Its the same on every unit. This was confirmed by multiple other people.

What Ive found works best is to set my crossover/slopes myself and let the unit figure out the TA. I never like the way Auto EQ sounds, seems like it boosts midrange too much...

West
08-27-2012, 09:20 PM
The AUTO TA/EQ doesnt actually choose the crossover settings for you. The unit has a "Default" crossover setting which is set at something like 8k 12db slopes. Its the same on every unit. This was confirmed by multiple other people.

What Ive found works best is to set my crossover/slopes myself and let the unit figure out the TA. I never like the way Auto EQ sounds, seems like it boosts midrange too much...

Good info on the crossovers. I like the auto EQ on my setup, but that deck is really touchy about tuning and the position of the microphone. That sound retriever really boosts the mids and some of the highs, could that have influenced it?

Do you keep the EQ flat or do you manually adjust it?

The deck gives me a weird TA setting puts the subs 155in away and the distances from the other speakers are off (at least by what the deck displays). It sounds good and when I try to enter the distances manually it sounds off.
Also I keep the Attenuator on low things sound much better that way.

Any thoughts on this?

rc10mike
08-28-2012, 09:47 PM
I dont use the Sound Retriever. Its pretty much a gimmick for lossy mp3's, sort of like Alpines Media Xpander. Featured like these have no business on a deck like this IMO...

I start with the EQ flat, them make cuts from there.

The auto TA set my subs at 155 also, but Im only running a two way front stage right now. The distances seem correct though.

Not sure what you mean by Attenuator on low though..

West
08-29-2012, 01:42 AM
I dont use the Sound Retriever. Its pretty much a gimmick for lossy mp3's, sort of like Alpines Media Xpander. Featured like these have no business on a deck like this IMO...

I start with the EQ flat, them make cuts from there.

The auto TA set my subs at 155 also, but Im only running a two way front stage right now. The distances seem correct though.

Not sure what you mean by Attenuator on low though..

Thanks very much. I redid the config and its pretty awesome. Turned the auto eq off, redid the eq manually. I found that the auto time alignment sounded better that way... That autoeq messes with the levels for every speaker which on a passive set up alters what time alignment setup sounds best.

Tuning that deck is a bit of a pain, but its totally worth it... I was listening to some songs today that sounded worlds better. Songs I didn't even like before...

The Digital Attenuator is hard to find. With the deck off hold down the big right button to bring up the "advanced menu" if you cycle through there, there's a digital attenuator which you can set to either Hi or Low. I suggest leaving it on low if you like metal rock/hard rock. I can hear some resonance from my tweeters if its on Hi for some songs. Well I still hear it but not quite as bad. Pioneer claims it can up the SQ, but it can add distortion to songs with weird levels.

I am with you on the sound retriever, sometimes it sounds good sometimes not...

rc10mike
08-29-2012, 05:51 AM
Just curious, how do you have your speakers setup with a front and rear stage?

West
08-29-2012, 06:39 AM
Just curious, how do you have your speakers setup with a front and rear stage?

Its an older camry tweeters opposite the side mirrors, subs near the base of the door, with the max frequency range going to them on the passive x-over.
Rear stage is 6x9 behind the headrests of the back seat...

Maybe a good idea to pull the rear head rests?

rc10mike
08-29-2012, 12:18 PM
Well, running passive front stage with tweet/mid in two different locations is definitely NOT going to play well with TA.

For TA to work properly, each speaker needs to be ran on its own channel. Since you're running passive, you actually have 4 speakers in 4 separate spots with only 2 channels. This is probably why you see funny distances since the HU "thinks" the front stage is only 1 full range speaker..

The P99 was designed to run an active 3-way front stage and subs, on all individual channels. It has the capability to do all the crossovers for each speaker, so using passives is pointless.

Im only using 6 of the available 8 channels. Im only running a two way front stage and no rear fill.

If I were you I would get a 4ch and run the front stage active, just leave the rears disconnected for now, re-do the Auto TA and see how you like it. The TA would yield much better results like this.

EDIT: I know its more work to run separate speaker wires for each speaker, but thats how it was designed to be ran. When I installed my system over 6 years ago, Im glad I ran extra speaker wire from the trunk to the front, just in case I decided to run active one day;)

West
08-29-2012, 03:29 PM
Well, running passive front stage with tweet/mid in two different locations is definitely NOT going to play well with TA.

For TA to work properly, each speaker needs to be ran on its own channel. Since you're running passive, you actually have 4 speakers in 4 separate spots with only 2 channels. This is probably why you see funny distances since the HU "thinks" the front stage is only 1 full range speaker..

The P99 was designed to run an active 3-way front stage and subs, on all individual channels. It has the capability to do all the crossovers for each speaker, so using passives is pointless.

Im only using 6 of the available 8 channels. Im only running a two way front stage and no rear fill.

If I were you I would get a 4ch and run the front stage active, just leave the rears disconnected for now, re-do the Auto TA and see how you like it. The TA would yield much better results like this.

EDIT: I know its more work to run separate speaker wires for each speaker, but thats how it was designed to be ran. When I installed my system over 6 years ago, Im glad I ran extra speaker wire from the trunk to the front, just in case I decided to run active one day;)

I'll work on getting some more channels in the rear and switching over to active. I appreciate your advice, thank you.

West
08-31-2012, 02:58 PM
After some more critical listinging I had to change how I feel about the deck's autotune. I still use it, but make adjustments to the equilizer to make it sound better...

West
09-15-2012, 12:13 AM
I have found that I kind of enjoy running with auto tune on. I also leave the sound retriever on low for most music... I like the way it sounds that way.

I also pulled the head rests out on the rear seats, it helps some.

av83
09-20-2012, 11:34 PM
God, I wish I could be there when you run get the wire ran and hear it active the first time. You are going to lose your mind, lol. Especially considering the quality of your equipment.

Also.. nice review, and congrats on winning for it.

West
09-20-2012, 11:40 PM
God, I wish I could be there when you run get the wire ran and hear it active the first time. You are going to lose your mind, lol. Especially considering the quality of your equipment.

Thanks man! I really appreicate the encouragement. I expect big changes, with the HAT's I got coming (L1 pro, L4SE, and L6SE)... I wish there were more local people who enjoyed this hobby >.<

I saw your install thread and that looks really awesome. I am definately going to try to follow suit and try to do this install rock solid correct, no corner cutting.

On a side note, you and I have got to be on the same wavelength or something, because I was re-reading this theard when I saw your comment come up. What are the chances?

av83
09-20-2012, 11:49 PM
I saw your install thread and that looks really awesome.

Thank you




On a side note, you and I have got to be on the same wavelength or something, because I was re-reading this theard when I saw your comment come up. What are the chances?

:sneaky: ....some x-file's shiz goin on around here...

CAT MAN
09-20-2012, 11:52 PM
wish i had that kinda money :/

West
09-20-2012, 11:54 PM
Thank you



:sneaky: ....some x-file's shiz goin on around here...

Anytime!

The truth is out there... lolz

I am curious did you start out active on your build or start passive then switch? I hear really great things about that x994.

West
09-20-2012, 11:59 PM
wish i had that kinda money :/

$hit's not cheap that's for sure and I am not rich by any means. I am gonna have to lay low on the audio stuff after this build is done... for a while.

Aside from my sub box and 4 of the 6 HATs, all the equipment I have was purchased used and for about 1/2 the list price.

The L4se and l6se's are new, but the boxes are dented so I was able to find them discounted on DIY with the help of some members here.
Saved a few hundered on them.

Fi-brations
09-21-2012, 12:08 AM
I wish there were more local people who enjoyed this hobby >.<
I'll be living in Knoxville next year for college, a long time from now I know, but I agree not too many people in memphis who actually have this as a hobby

av83
09-21-2012, 12:12 AM
Anytime!

The truth is out there... lolz

I am curious did you start out active on your build or start passive then switch? I hear really great things about that x994.

Started passive. Found out by accident that my amp was active capable, so i dug into it after that. The deck is really nice for the $. Its not an active unit, but the Time alignment works well, and it has excellent sound to it.


wish i had that kinda money :/

Me too, but I am pretty happy with knowing that I have done what I have with so little.

West
09-21-2012, 02:40 AM
I'll be living in Knoxville next year for college, a long time from now I know, but I agree not too many people in memphis who actually have this as a hobby

Right on man, I teach at UT. We should have a beer sometime.

Fi-brations
09-21-2012, 07:13 AM
Right on man, I teach at UT. We should have a beer sometime.

That's Awesome, what do u teach?

West
09-21-2012, 12:08 PM
That's Awesome, what do u teach?

Chemistry

av83
09-21-2012, 12:14 PM
Chemistry

:respekt:

Impressive. You are also, apparently, older than I thought.

SourDeez
09-21-2012, 12:41 PM
Thats quite the homo music you are listening to, bro.

Fi-brations
09-21-2012, 12:47 PM
Chemistry

Cool, I just failed my ap Chem test!

West
09-21-2012, 01:29 PM
:respekt:

Impressive. You are also, apparently, older than I thought.

I'll be 29 this year... Feeling old

West
09-21-2012, 01:31 PM
Cool, I just failed my ap Chem test!

Sorry to hear that man.

---------- Post added at 01:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:30 PM ----------


Thats quite the homo music you are listening to, bro.

I'm glad I have your approval lol

SourDeez
09-21-2012, 01:48 PM
Sorry to hear that man.

---------- Post added at 01:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:30 PM ----------



I'm glad I have your approval lol

No prob bro anything I can do to help.


So, what do you think of breaking bad?

West
09-21-2012, 03:42 PM
No prob bro anything I can do to help.


So, what do you think of breaking bad?

Haven't seen it. Is it worth watching?

SourDeez
09-21-2012, 04:02 PM
Haven't seen it. Is it worth watching?

Well.. its about a good guy chemistry teacher. Doing illegal stuff.

Yes, I would highly suggest it.. Everyone from potheads to my mom watches it.

West
09-21-2012, 04:03 PM
Well.. its about a good guy chemistry teacher. Doing illegal stuff.

Yes, I would highly suggest it.. Everyone from potheads to my mom watches it.

I may check it out then lol...

West
09-25-2012, 05:17 PM
It appears the p99rs will not accept 64 gb flash drives. Pioneer was unable to tell me maximum flash drive size it will accept, going to try 32 gb tonight...

d77543020
09-29-2012, 12:30 PM
wtf as much as this cost no built in bt

West
09-29-2012, 12:39 PM
wtf as much as this cost no built in bt

Nope no BT to be found... They sell an adaptor, but people say its not worth it lolz...

d77543020
09-29-2012, 12:42 PM
Nope no BT to be found... They sell an adaptor, but people say its not worth it lolz...yea i hear that thing ***** i mean it would have cost them pennies to include the bt that would keep me from buying this unit

West
09-29-2012, 12:46 PM
yea i hear that thing ***** i mean it would have cost them pennies to include the bt

The deck is designed to be a quality source unit, functionality was an afterthought...
It does very well processing mp3 and compressed files and all music in general.
It plays music... not much else.

rebelfromva
09-29-2012, 01:22 PM
If I had the money to blow I would get one of these. Seen it in the crutchfield mag I got this week and it looks bad@$$

West
09-29-2012, 01:25 PM
If I had the money to blow I would get one of these. Seen it in the crutchfield mag I got this week and it looks bad@$$

There was one on ebay for $850 yesterday... it's gone now...

rc10mike
10-05-2012, 11:41 PM
I have a 64GB stick on my P99 right now..works fine.

As for the Bluetooth comment, Bluetooth *****, I would never want to listen to audio transmitted over BT, I would rather listen to 64KB MP3s!

West
10-05-2012, 11:49 PM
I have a 64GB stick on my P99 right now..works fine.

As for the Bluetooth comment, Bluetooth *****, I would never want to listen to audio transmitted over BT, I would rather listen to 64KB MP3s!

I would ONLY use bluetooth for phone calls. The audio quality out of BT it is awful as you mentioned.

What flash drive are you using??

CAT MAN
10-06-2012, 12:15 AM
wish i had the moola to do sq

rc10mike
10-06-2012, 12:45 PM
This one (http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Flash-Drive-SDCZ36-064G-B35/dp/B005LFT37U)

They now cost half of what I paid :(

I didnt format it or anything, just started dragging and dropping music...

West
10-08-2012, 01:30 PM
This one (http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Flash-Drive-SDCZ36-064G-B35/dp/B005LFT37U)

They now cost half of what I paid :(

I didnt format it or anything, just started dragging and dropping music...

I'll give it a shot, thanks!

West
10-08-2012, 01:34 PM
wish i had the moola to do sq

You can do it Catman,
Just upgrade the system one step at a time.
Deck, amp, connections, deadner, speakers, sub n box.
Nothing wrong with used stuff. Nearly all my **** is used...

West
10-17-2012, 01:17 PM
Well I figured out how to make adjust the EQ on the right and the left. Apparently you need to "unlock" right and left adjustment in the crossover menu. You can do that by selecting any crossover point and holding down the right menu button.

West
11-05-2012, 09:38 PM
Having issues with 2 of channels...
Giving excessive distortion, I am sending it in for repairs.

West
11-29-2012, 01:07 AM
Having issues with 2 of channels...
Giving excessive distortion, I am sending it in for repairs.

Turns out it was the speaker connection, not the p99rs.

azagtoth502
12-22-2012, 04:07 AM
Cool review, always oogled this radio.

West
12-22-2012, 04:56 AM
Cool review, always oogled this radio.

It's a great deck. But it MUST be ran active to get the best sound out of it.
I have switched to external processing and currently I much prefer my alpine with a PS8 over the pioneer. Seems to get more detail out of the music.

hayday
09-23-2013, 10:01 AM
It's a great deck, thanks for this review. I kinda lost my manual an found it at Manualstorage. If you're looking for it, here is the manual for the Pioneer DEX-P99RS (http://www.manualstorage.com/f/pioneer-dex-p99rs_2.htm).

richnyc
03-28-2014, 06:32 PM
Do you use it with Bluetooth ? I heard that CD-BTB200 Bluetooth adapter unit is buggy ? Does it work ? Also heard that MP3's sound bad. Is that true ?

vibe
03-28-2014, 06:43 PM
Do you use it with Bluetooth ? I heard that CD-BTB200 Bluetooth adapter unit is buggy ? Does it work ? Also heard that MP3's sound bad. Is that true ?

you realize this post was from like 2 years ago right

richnyc
03-29-2014, 10:01 AM
Yes sorry.. But I am not finding the information about this from on owner ..