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Foote11
08-13-2012, 11:11 PM
i want a good soundstage but im not too sure what all goes into it im not looking for audiophile quality but pretty good i was thinking of just getting some hertz 3 way coaxials in the front and some tweeters on the dash or would taht be too much highs?

mylows10
08-13-2012, 11:13 PM
a good frt stage consists of a good 2 or 3 way component set and a good 2 or 4 channel amp

Foote11
08-13-2012, 11:21 PM
a good frt stage consists of a good 2 or 3 way component set and a good 2 or 4 channel amp got any recommendations for these?? my budget would be around 200 or 250 for the set and amp if at all possible

mylows10
08-13-2012, 11:32 PM
250 would be just for the components then another 300 for an amp

Foote11
08-13-2012, 11:36 PM
250 would be just for the components then another 300 for an amp everything els is just **** then?

mylows10
08-13-2012, 11:51 PM
well you said you wanted a good frt stage

Foote11
08-13-2012, 11:57 PM
well you said you wanted a good frt stage
okay lemme rephrase that a good budget front stage hows that sound?

mylows10
08-13-2012, 11:59 PM
what is your budget?

Foote11
08-14-2012, 12:22 AM
i was hopin for 250 for it all

mylows10
08-14-2012, 12:30 AM
i can prolly do something in that price , for you. it will be ok and new equipment but not better sq equipment . but will be components anda 2 channel ampo shipped to your door.and decent quality

zako
08-14-2012, 12:38 AM
The speakers by themselves will not you a good "sound stage". Sound stage refers to your perceived location of the band when your speakers play. Since in a car environment the left side speakers are closer to you, this shifts the sound stage to the left and messes up the imaging. If you want good sound stage, you need advanced processing capability, such as time alignment and independent left and right equalizer. Otherwise, not even $1000 speakers will give you a truly good front stage without this. As for speakers choice, either run a coaxial speaker without any other tweeters or a component set, since each was meant to play without help of additional tweeters.

Foote11
08-14-2012, 02:18 PM
i can prolly do something in that price , for you. it will be ok and new equipment but not better sq equipment . but will be components anda 2 channel ampo shipped to your door.and decent quality

i would hit you up on that offer but i dont have a pay pal

Foote11
08-14-2012, 02:19 PM
The speakers by themselves will not you a good "sound stage". Sound stage refers to your perceived location of the band when your speakers play. Since in a car environment the left side speakers are closer to you, this shifts the sound stage to the left and messes up the imaging. If you want good sound stage, you need advanced processing capability, such as time alignment and independent left and right equalizer. Otherwise, not even $1000 speakers will give you a truly good front stage without this. As for speakers choice, either run a coaxial speaker without any other tweeters or a component set, since each was meant to play without help of additional tweeters.
which one would sound better?

zako
08-14-2012, 02:51 PM
which one would sound better?

Some people say that coaxial speakers or components with tweeters placed down below in the kick panel can sound good if tuned correctly. I haven't tried that. My view is that component will sound better. The factory locations for coaxial speaker often muffle the tweeter by having it way off axis. Another problem is that having the component speakers with tweeters placed somewhere high helps to raid the sound stage.

Alrojoca
08-14-2012, 04:34 PM
Some coaxial offer the convenience or pointing the tweeter up. To have the best stage without major modification, Dash placement may be better than pointing at the other door.

Any cheap set of components from Polk, JBL or infinity will give you acceptable sound if amplified and installed properly.

$250 for component and amp is not realistic unless you buy used. You can probably go with an old amp like INFINITY REFERENCE 475A CAR AUDIO STEREO 4 CHANNEL/CH 4CH CLASS AB AMPLIFIER/AMP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/INFINITY-REFERENCE-475A-CAR-AUDIO-STEREO-4-CHANNEL-CH-4CH-CLASS-AB-AMPLIFIER-AMP-/180934368175?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item2a20875baf&vxp=mtr#ht_2668wt_988)

and a set of JBL GTO 608 C. for under $100.00 shipped that will put you at your $250.00 for both items. but to get a better stage you will have to install the tweeters like in this picture and also go with a head unit like Pioneer Stage 4 DEX-P99RS CD receiver/preamp at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-PXJ9cdbJ5Ma/p_130DEXP99R/Pioneer-Stage-4-DEX-P99RS.html#customer-reviews-tab)

mylows10
08-14-2012, 06:21 PM
i would hit you up on that offer but i dont have a pay pal
i can take a credit card over the phone thru paypal and you dont need an acct ,and still protected too

Fi-brations
08-14-2012, 06:33 PM
Do you have a hu yet? That will play a larger role in the sound stage and imaging than the speakers and amp. If you don't have any of this yet, I would highly suggest you save up your money and you can always buy used to save some, but look to spend at least 200 for a used hu with t/a and a decent eq, 150+ for a decent set of speakers, and 100+ for a decent used 2 or 4 channel, you can get a good budget front stage for around 500

Foote11
08-14-2012, 06:48 PM
Some coaxial offer the convenience or pointing the tweeter up. To have the best stage without major modification, Dash placement may be better than pointing at the other door.

Any cheap set of components from Polk, JBL or infinity will give you acceptable sound if amplified and installed properly.

$250 for component and amp is not realistic unless you buy used. You can probably go with an old amp like INFINITY REFERENCE 475A CAR AUDIO STEREO 4 CHANNEL/CH 4CH CLASS AB AMPLIFIER/AMP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/INFINITY-REFERENCE-475A-CAR-AUDIO-STEREO-4-CHANNEL-CH-4CH-CLASS-AB-AMPLIFIER-AMP-/180934368175?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item2a20875baf&vxp=mtr#ht_2668wt_988)

and a set of JBL GTO 608 C. for under $100.00 shipped that will put you at your $250.00 for both items. but to get a better stage you will have to install the tweeters like in this picture and also go with a head unit like Pioneer Stage 4 DEX-P99RS CD receiver/preamp at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-PXJ9cdbJ5Ma/p_130DEXP99R/Pioneer-Stage-4-DEX-P99RS.html#customer-reviews-tab)

lol 1,200 for a hu? thats worth more then my car lol what about the MB Quart ONX4.125 for an amp? i have 2 of the 1500's right now and there pretty decent amps for the money

Foote11
08-14-2012, 06:49 PM
i can take a credit card over the phone thru paypal and you dont need an acct ,and still protected too

all i got is a debit card

Foote11
08-14-2012, 06:51 PM
Do you have a hu yet? That will play a larger role in the sound stage and imaging than the speakers and amp. If you don't have any of this yet, I would highly suggest you save up your money and you can always buy used to save some, but look to spend at least 200 for a used hu with t/a and a decent eq, 150+ for a decent set of speakers, and 100+ for a decent used 2 or 4 channel, you can get a good budget front stage for around 500

yes a have a hu the Alpine CDE-122 its got an eq and high pass filters and low pass filters and some other stuff that i dont quite understand

Fi-brations
08-14-2012, 07:09 PM
You'll probably be fine with that level of a HU, but you aren't going to be able to really create a sound stage or have any imaging with just a 3 band eq though and non t/a

chillin
08-14-2012, 07:19 PM
lol 1,200 for a hu? thats worth more then my car lol what about the MB Quart ONX4.125 for an amp? i have 2 of the 1500's right now and there pretty decent amps for the money

lol. 3000 watts for subs, but a $250 budget for speakers and amp for the front. Do you actually want a sound stage, meaning you can close your eyes and hear a guitar 3 feet to your left and the singer directly in front and maybe some bongos or other instrument 10 feet to the side (hearing the music where the people would be positioned if it were live) OR do you just want it loud and clear to keep up with your subs?

dragnix
08-14-2012, 07:21 PM
lol. 3000 watts for subs, but a $250 budget for speakers and amp for the front. Do you actually want a sound stage, meaning you can close your eyes and hear a guitar 3 feet to your left and the singer directly in front and maybe some bongos or other instrument 10 feet to the side (hearing the music where the people would be positioned if it were live) OR do you just want it loud and clear to keep up with your subs?

Since he's pushing 3kw to the subs, i'm guessing it's the latter

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mylows10
08-14-2012, 07:25 PM
all i got is a debit card

does it have a visa or mastercard logo ? also where do you bank ?

Foote11
08-14-2012, 07:27 PM
lol. 3000 watts for subs, but a $250 budget for speakers and amp for the front. Do you actually want a sound stage, meaning you can close your eyes and hear a guitar 3 feet to your left and the singer directly in front and maybe some bongos or other instrument 10 feet to the side (hearing the music where the people would be positioned if it were live) OR do you just want it loud and clear to keep up with your subs?

lol im just saving the other 1500 for when i can use it i got it for free :) hmmm.... maby i should rethink this whole sound stage thing iv been researching it and its a **** load of work and money i guess i didn't quite get it at first lol yea ill just go with latter any suggestions?

OmegaBunny
08-14-2012, 07:33 PM
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Foote11
08-14-2012, 07:48 PM
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thank you! how much surgery do i need to do to fit the 6.5's in my 6x9 panels? or can i just buy plates for em?

OmegaBunny
08-14-2012, 08:35 PM
What kind of car?

Foote11
08-14-2012, 10:30 PM
What kind of car?

96 mercury cougar

mylows10
08-14-2012, 10:34 PM
you can buy or make plates

Foote11
08-14-2012, 11:14 PM
you can buy or make plates schweet