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sundownz
05-18-2012, 11:47 AM
I have always been a bit SQ fan. Clean and clear sound is what brought me into car audio but I had to make a detour towards output for most of our company history so far in order to meet my customer demands. Of course... that has not stopped me from implementing features for lower distortion in many of our models :)

But now I feel it is time to really gear a product DIRECTLY towards SQ. I've started development on what I consider a true Reference grade component set... one with objective distortion levels up there with the BEST products on the market at any price level. This complete set will be priced under $1,000 from an authorized dealer; how much under that I do not know yet. This set certainly is NOT for everyone but it is what I want to have in my own cars.

Nearly every part will be custom tooled... tweeter housing and internals, midrange frame, cone, surround, spider, crossover housing, etc, etc. So this will take some time and effort to accomplish but will be a world class set no question. I was waiting for the time when this sort of tooling was feasible for Sundown as a company to make a product like this.

On to the initial renderings... I will only give out limited information until parts start to be physically completed. But I will go ahead and do the usual teaser shots for everyone to think about until then.

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Ref_Mid_1_Small.jpg
* Powerful Neo motor with very thick top plate (hint hint)... the surround is a specially tooled until to have identical forward and rearward compliance. The motor features two internal shorting rings and a naturally low inductance already. I will say that this driver does feature double-digit one-way excursion (linear) so will offer very powerful mid-bass.

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Ref_Mid_2_Small.jpg
* Very open frame similar to Dynaudio or Scan-Speak and the like but this particular unit will be tooled just for this driver. As this is an SQ unit we opted for a large open pole vent to keep air noise to a minimum. The coil is a fairly large diameter unit for a mid so thermal handling is not a concern.

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Ref_Tweeter_1_Small.jpg
* Specially tuned rear chamber (the shape is for specific acoustic purposes)

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Ref_Tweeter_2_Small.jpg
* The housing mounts similarly to many other high-end tweeters so bears a resemblance to a few but this particular housing will be tooled for the specific internal needs of our tweeter. Higher end tweeters such as this unit have quite a bit going on internally to damp the rear wave and tune the Fs of the unit.

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This set will be a two-way upon introduction. We may develop another crossover and a dedicated midrange for a three-way setup later on if demand exists.

The crossover is also still in development phase... I am working on some neat features for it.

I am also considering selling the set "a-la-carte" so you can buy the mid, tweeter, and crossovers all separately to meet your needs.

An ETA is NOT yet available.

SuperSaeYoung
05-18-2012, 01:51 PM
Looking good.

wenn_du_weinst
05-20-2012, 08:53 PM
hmm, now you have my attention.

SPLaudio
05-20-2012, 10:54 PM
speak scan was my 1st thoughts when i saw these...

wenn_du_weinst
05-23-2012, 06:19 PM
speak scan was my 1st thoughts when i saw these...

It reminds me of a neo version of the exodus 6.5 that used to be around.

Bettr n' Revrse
05-23-2012, 06:54 PM
hmm, now you have my attention.

My thoughts exactly...

DARKHART
05-23-2012, 07:01 PM
You know that I've been waiting on these for a llllllllloooooooonnnnnnnngggggggg time............:D:D:D

Bettr n' Revrse
05-23-2012, 07:05 PM
Im waiting to hear pricing before I get excited...

wenn_du_weinst
05-23-2012, 07:08 PM
under 1k for a comp set is pretty cheap as long as it performs, the biggest problem I see for SD is it's right around the HAT legatia price range and those things are amazing.

Bettr n' Revrse
05-23-2012, 07:09 PM
under 1k for a comp set is pretty cheap as long as it performs, the biggest problem I see for SD is it's right around the HAT legatia price range and those things are amazing.

Ha ya if they are anything more then like 300/400 bucks Ill got HAT or Rainbow...

hispls
05-23-2012, 07:19 PM
It reminds me of a neo version of the exodus 6.5 that used to be around.

The old Exodus 6.5 WAS neo... does look like similar motor and frame. A very good platform IMO.


Keeping in mind a good portion of the people who would spend 300$ and up for a single mid or tweet wouldn't consider using passive crossovers I should hope these are offered with an option of drivers only.

Definitely relative to my interests.

Bettr n' Revrse
06-21-2012, 07:19 PM
Any more on these Jake?

sundownz
06-21-2012, 07:45 PM
Any more on these Jake?

The parts are being machined out for the prototypes; a few pieces are done. I'll get more photos as more parts actually roll out.

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And again... this set is NOT for those looking to save a few dollars. A 300/400 dollar set won't touch what these are capable of (I wouldn't bother to make them if this was the case) and neither will most $1000+ sets -- as far as objectively measured distortion figures. Everyone will always have their favorite sound, though, and the lowest distortion really is NOT for everyone.

In the end... we will have several lines of sets; this will just be the highest level set. The SA-6.5CS set will be $199 at a dealer and these towards the higher end... I'd expect to eventually create one to two more lines in between as time goes on.

Bettr n' Revrse
06-21-2012, 07:47 PM
The parts are being machined out for the prototypes; a few pieces are done. I'll get more photos as more parts actually roll out.

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And again... this set is NOT for those looking to save a few dollars. A 300/400 dollar set won't touch what these are capable of (I wouldn't bother to make them if this was the case) and neither will most $1000+ sets -- as far as objectively measured distortion figures. Everyone will always have their favorite sound, though, and the lowest distortion really is NOT for everyone.

In the end... we will have several lines of sets; this will just be the highest level set. The SA-6.5CS set will be $199 at a dealer and these towards the higher end... I'd expect to eventually create one to two more lines in between as time goes on.

Understandable I am excited to see them ... How deep will they be?

sundownz
06-21-2012, 07:52 PM
Fairly deep -- I will get it up more specifically as the parts roll out to make sure it is 100% accurate.

Bettr n' Revrse
06-21-2012, 07:53 PM
Fairly deep -- I will get it up more specifically as the parts roll out to make sure it is 100% accurate.

These gunna be sold with out an X over?

sundownz
09-18-2012, 09:18 AM
So is anyone ready to see some updates on these bad boys ?

quackhead
09-18-2012, 09:25 AM
weh helll yea.

sundownz
09-18-2012, 10:02 AM
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Overall_Set.jpg
* Overall Set

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Crossover_Face.jpg
* Crossover Cover

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Crossover_Internal.jpg
* Crossover Guts

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Crossover_Side.jpg
* Crossover Side -- Very thick / heavy duty housing plates

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Midrange_Cone_Front.jpg
* Midrange Front

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Midrange_Motor_Rear.jpg
* Midrange Back -- Notice lead wires ran below spider. I will also likely make the finish chrome for more durability and weather resistance.

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Midrange_Side_View.jpg
* Overall side view

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Tweeter_Front.jpg
* Tweeter

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Tweeter_Back.jpg
* Rear Tweeter View

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Prototypes/Tweeter_Side.jpg
* Tweeter Side View

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Final MAP price from authorized dealer is $799 for the entire set.

I am looking into selling the parts separately as well -- but those details have not been worked out yet.

I am planning on doing a good bit of testing and tweaking before starting production on these -- so consider this pretty early in the game.

Will update once the prototype set arrives and we test it.

matt_bennett05
09-18-2012, 10:07 AM
Those x-overs do look really really good as well as the rest of the drivers.

Flex68
09-18-2012, 10:18 AM
Looking good! Even with all the cutouts in the speaker flange

Jdm94Coupe
09-18-2012, 10:19 AM
Looks good jacob!

quackhead
09-18-2012, 10:59 AM
looks real good...what are you expecting as far as reasonable power handling?

sundownz
09-18-2012, 12:48 PM
Our factory has done 100 RMS for 8 hours testing so far no problems at all -- we'll step it up some more and keep testing too.

sundownz
09-21-2012, 02:53 PM
Got the prototypes in -- I won't be able to test for a bit as I'm going on my first real vacation in about 6 years next week... but many they look and feel fantastic. Little bit of free air testing on the mid has us all smiling

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Protos_Shop/CIMG6502.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Protos_Shop/CIMG6503.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Protos_Shop/CIMG6504.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Protos_Shop/CIMG6505.JPG
* It was hard to see in other photos but the "S" surround turned out great.

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Protos_Shop/CIMG6506.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Protos_Shop/CIMG6507.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Protos_Shop/CIMG6508.JPG
* I am looking into closing off the edges of the x-over as well... still in the works.

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Protos_Shop/CIMG6509.JPG

Jdm94Coupe
09-21-2012, 08:54 PM
How much can I get a pair of those tweeters for? :)

West
09-21-2012, 08:57 PM
Those X-overs look sturdy enough to be run over and be fine...

sundownz
09-25-2012, 08:48 AM
We have a second set running power test cycles at the factory. They already passed 100-watts RMS per side for 8 hours -- yesterday we ran them up to 125-watts RMS for 8 hours as well. Will continue to run more cycles on them until failure and rate them around that level :)

sundownz
10-04-2012, 04:39 PM
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Dimensions_Tweeter%28NS%29.jpg

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/Components/Ultimate_Reference/Dimensions_MID%28NS%29.jpg

Bettr n' Revrse
10-06-2012, 03:18 AM
May have to try some of these...

Iosias
12-08-2012, 10:47 PM
Any updates?

sundownz
12-09-2012, 11:38 AM
Not too much yet; been working on the packing and the possibility of bringing them in a-la-carte (all pieces separate).

gckless
04-23-2013, 06:35 PM
I wants da reference! How about an update? sundownz ;

sbelew
04-23-2013, 07:01 PM
I just tried the sundown website to see some more info and these and am getting a "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" message.

adjetta
12-29-2013, 06:45 PM
any updates?

UMWDawg92
03-13-2014, 05:28 AM
Anything new with these? I was hoping they'd be out by this summer.