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itsblown
04-19-2012, 06:15 PM
Review of Subwoofer or Speaker:
Just received the Sundown audio sa-8 yesterday and had all today to listen to it here are some pics
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/1213648/0418121743.jpg
I put it next to a kicker Comp 12 just for a reference
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/1213648/0418121654.jpg
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/1213648/0418121654a.jpg
We have it installed in the trunk of a Subaru in a .75 after displacement tuned to 35 hz. on an audioque 750.1 running at 2 ohms. The sub woofer is receiving 500 watts roughly.

After listening to it on all sorts of musics this thing blew my mind. It had a very large bandwith and wasnt peaky at all. it picked up the drums in rock music nicely while still playing the low lows in rap music.

my one complaint about the physical design of the sub is that the basket of the subwoofer and the holes in the mounting ring are a little too close. it gives you very little clearance when mounting.
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/1213648/0418121850.jpg

As far as loudness goes you need to look at what it really is. I haven't listened to a small system (cone size) ever really. when doing the math it has 6 times less cone area than 2 12s and on 500 watts it got surprisingly loud. But if you plan on bumping I would suggest getting multiple of these if your stuck on running them. If your looking for something to fill out the lower end that your mid and highs speakers cant pick up than this thing is perfect for it.

rebelfromva
04-19-2012, 06:21 PM
How do you think 6 of these would sound together? Very interested in these subs.

itsblown
04-19-2012, 06:27 PM
How do you think 6 of these would sound together? Very interested in these subs.
are you talking sound quality or spl? Im assuming Spl if your running 6. I think they would sound good like I said humongous bandwidth at least with the enclosure I listened to one of them. My suggestion is MORE power if you want it loud you should give it way more than rated and I definitely think they can handle it.

rebelfromva
04-19-2012, 06:32 PM
Have seen videos of one and two of these hitting low 150s. Dont know how true they are bc i wasnt there but still seem to be a great woofer

bhsdriller
04-19-2012, 06:43 PM
2 can hit a 150 easily in a an spl application with some power, daily would be a little harder

itsblown
04-19-2012, 06:58 PM
yeah remember guys this was on 500 watts we werent doing 3000 watt sine wave burps in a burp box.

sundownz
04-19-2012, 06:58 PM
Thanks for the review :)

itsblown
04-19-2012, 07:09 PM
Thanks for the review :)
You did a great job with this thing man. Any reason the mounting holes are so close to the basket like that? took us a while to fit it in there but were noobs

sundownz
04-20-2012, 08:29 AM
You did a great job with this thing man. Any reason the mounting holes are so close to the basket like that? took us a while to fit it in there but were noobs

We wanted a standard OD and as close to standard cut-out as possible -- in order to fit the spider size we needed and the terminals in the cut-out it had to be pushed pretty close.

KTMrida4life
04-20-2012, 08:53 AM
I know my v1s are excellent, cant imagine how good these are.

I assume he fixed the tinsel issues. Each one of my V1s is getting 1000W+ RMS and doesnt bottom out or really get all that warm. Which is crazy considering its a 400W driver... I fried the tinsels though.. apparently their the weak link in the old v1s.

Bettr n' Revrse
04-20-2012, 08:56 AM
I know my v1s are excellent, cant imagine how good these are.

I assume he fixed the tinsel issues. Each one of my V1s is getting 1000W+ RMS and doesnt bottom out or really get all that warm. Which is crazy considering its a 400W driver... I fried the tinsels though.. apparently their the weak link in the old v1s.

The tinsels are a very different design in the new V2 version...

itsblown
04-20-2012, 02:55 PM
We wanted a standard OD and as close to standard cut-out as possible -- in order to fit the spider size we needed and the terminals in the cut-out it had to be pushed pretty close.

Makes sense just a bit of sanding we had to do

JayDolla513
04-21-2012, 07:56 PM
going to try two of em.... but wahts up with comparin 2 12s cone size to 1 8's cone size, lol lil unfair. At least compare 1 to 1 or 2 8s to 2 12s

JayDolla513
04-21-2012, 07:56 PM
going to try two of em.... but wahts up with comparin 2 12s cone size to 1 8's cone size, lol lil unfair. At least compare 1 to 1 or 2 8s to 2 12s

itsblown
04-21-2012, 10:23 PM
going to try two of em.... but wahts up with comparin 2 12s cone size to 1 8's cone size, lol lil unfair. At least compare 1 to 1 or 2 8s to 2 12s
because 2 12s is a relatively common set up so people have a reference to compare it to

little update on how it does Spl wise thanks to Kushy Dreams for metering it here are some results
1 sundown audio sa-8 v.2 dual 4 wired to 2 ohms on a audioque 750.1
130.2db at 41hz sealed at the dash
also did a 128db at 51hz and 27hz.

Yup 27h kinda blew my mind it hit that low like that also from around 25-50 the sub was completely flat rising by 10th's of a db at most through out that entire range

itsblown
04-21-2012, 10:24 PM
going to try two of em.... but wahts up with comparin 2 12s cone size to 1 8's cone size, lol lil unfair. At least compare 1 to 1 or 2 8s to 2 12s
because 2 12s is a relatively common set up so people have a reference to compare it to

little update on how it does Spl wise thanks to Kushy Dreams for metering it here are some results
1 sundown audio sa-8 v.2 dual 4 wired to 2 ohms on a audioque 750.1
130.2db at 41hz sealed at the dash
also did a 128db at 51hz and 27hz.

Yup 27h kinda blew my mind it hit that low like that also from around 25-50 the sub was completely flat rising by 10th's of a db at most through out that entire range

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timma100
09-19-2012, 08:55 PM
Review of Subwoofer or Speaker:
Just received the Sundown audio sa-8 yesterday and had all today to listen to it here are some pics
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/1213648/0418121743.jpg
I put it next to a kicker Comp 12 just for a reference
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/1213648/0418121654.jpg
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/1213648/0418121654a.jpg
We have it installed in the trunk of a Subaru in a .75 after displacement tuned to 35 hz. on an audioque 750.1 running at 2 ohms. The sub woofer is receiving 500 watts roughly.

After listening to it on all sorts of musics this thing blew my mind. It had a very large bandwith and wasnt peaky at all. it picked up the drums in rock music nicely while still playing the low lows in rap music.

my one complaint about the physical design of the sub is that the basket of the subwoofer and the holes in the mounting ring are a little too close. it gives you very little clearance when mounting.
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad84/1213648/0418121850.jpg

As far as loudness goes you need to look at what it really is. I haven't listened to a small system (cone size) ever really. when doing the math it has 6 times less cone area than 2 12s and on 500 watts it got surprisingly loud. But if you plan on bumping I would suggest getting multiple of these if your stuck on running them. If your looking for something to fill out the lower end that your mid and highs speakers cant pick up than this thing is perfect for it.

Good review man :) putting 1 in my trunk soon on a JL 500.1. cant wait

itsblown
09-20-2012, 01:16 PM
Good review man :) putting 1 in my trunk soon on a JL 500.1. cant wait its going to want more power than that

timma100
09-21-2012, 10:03 AM
its going to want more power than that

I'm hoping to run it for a couple years and I don't want to stress the woofer at all.. I had 2 SA12s before and I beat the hell out of them, they never broke a sweat. (on 2K RMS).. I'm going to a shop to have my doors redone for extra mids and while I was there for a quote I was talking to them about SA8v2s, they swore up and done they would blow with over 500 rms :\ all I could think was ..... but.. no way... Anyway what kind of power do you think a single sa8v2 should be getting?

NASTY08IMPALA
09-21-2012, 10:28 AM
I'm hoping to run it for a couple years and I don't want to stress the woofer at all.. I had 2 SA12s before and I beat the hell out of them, they never broke a sweat. (on 2K RMS).. I'm going to a shop to have my doors redone for extra mids and while I was there for a quote I was talking to them about SA8v2s, they swore up and done they would blow with over 500 rms :\ all I could think was ..... but.. no way... Anyway what kind of power do you think a single sa8v2 should be getting?

1k easy

timma100
09-22-2012, 01:31 AM
1k easy

O_o For the serious?
hmm....... meh, ill run the 500.1 for a while, then trade/swap for more power if I want it. While I have your temporary attention whats a good SQ 1K amp? (high efficiency)?

NASTY08IMPALA
09-22-2012, 01:42 AM
I actually have 1 sundown saz1000 left for 200 plus ship...its like new in box

NASTY08IMPALA
09-22-2012, 01:43 AM
o_o for the serious?
Hmm....... Meh, ill run the 500.1 for a while, then trade/swap for more power if i want it. While i have your temporary attention whats a good sq 1k amp? (high efficiency)?
i had 2 saz1000 on 2 sa12.s ive upgraded and only got 1 left..200 bucks its urs

NASTY08IMPALA
09-22-2012, 01:44 AM
Only problem is it does over 1k at 1 ohm u will be running 2 ohms

timma100
09-22-2012, 02:56 PM
Only problem is it does over 1k at 1 ohm u will be running 2 ohms

That is an issue because I have D2 coils :( and ~1300rms would be tough for that little guy to handle over 2-3 years :\..

NASTY08IMPALA
09-22-2012, 03:08 PM
That is an issue because I have D2 coils :( and ~1300rms would be tough for that little guy to handle over 2-3 years :\..

Oh its a d2 this amp would be perfect for daily ran @ 1 ohm...keep the gain down for a good clean 800 or so..would last forever lol

timma100
09-22-2012, 05:41 PM
Oh its a d2 this amp would be perfect for daily ran @ 1 ohm...keep the gain down for a good clean 800 or so..would last forever lol

Yeah that is true... :( I think ill run the 500.1 for a while, then go bigger eventually. But im sure you will sell that SAZ1k in no time.

NASTY08IMPALA
09-22-2012, 06:18 PM
Yea i had 2 1 left

itsblown
09-22-2012, 07:22 PM
O_o For the serious?
hmm....... meh, ill run the 500.1 for a while, then trade/swap for more power if I want it. While I have your temporary attention whats a good SQ 1K amp? (high efficiency)?
uhm I have 2 running on a Crecendo BC 2000D they are seeing roughly 750 each can take 1k all day. honestly the woofers are still stiff and just now getting broken in after 3 months

TheUnderFighter
09-22-2012, 08:10 PM
Yeah that is true... :( I think ill run the 500.1 for a while, then go bigger eventually. But im sure you will sell that SAZ1k in no time.

That shop is retarded. Jacob has tested these on 2k. They'll take 1k for sure. If you want to guarantee you can run it for 3+ years, maybe keep it to 800w to be safe. I've had my SA-10 on 1.2k for over a year now. You might as well just buy the SAZ1k now while it's at that great price. It'll sound fine off 500w, it'll just sound even better off 1k :)

NASTY08IMPALA
09-22-2012, 10:18 PM
That shop is retarded. Jacob has tested these on 2k. They'll take 1k for sure. If you want to guarantee you can run it for 3+ years, maybe keep it to 800w to be safe. I've had my SA-10 on 1.2k for over a year now. You might as well just buy the SAZ1k now while it's at that great price. It'll sound fine off 500w, it'll just sound even better off 1k :)

Yea better buy it before its gone...and yea the v2 8.s r nasty on 1k

timma100
09-23-2012, 02:44 PM
That shop is retarded. Jacob has tested these on 2k. They'll take 1k for sure. If you want to guarantee you can run it for 3+ years, maybe keep it to 800w to be safe. I've had my SA-10 on 1.2k for over a year now. You might as well just buy the SAZ1k now while it's at that great price. It'll sound fine off 500w, it'll just sound even better off 1k :)

Yeah they kinda are :( I'm going to have them mod my front doors because they do clean work, and make me an amp rack to fit on the trunk side of my rear deck for my Hertz EP4 and a SAZ1k (hopefully ;) ) annnnnddd they have an o scope so they are good for tuning. but tards? yes... mostly. In every show car they run Hertz only, I asked why the first time a went in and they said because Hertz is the best. MFW :|

Also if I end up with the 1k ill probably tune for 0db, or -2. So it will be rare (if not never) that it puts a full 1200 on it

AwesomeStranger
09-24-2012, 02:45 PM
I love my two v2's Got them on a APSM-1500 for now and they will take 1k each daily for a long time.

resonate
09-24-2012, 03:28 PM
are you talking sound quality or spl? Im assuming Spl if your running 6. I think they would sound good like I said humongous bandwidth at least with the enclosure I listened to one of them. My suggestion is MORE power if you want it loud you should give it way more than rated and I definitely think they can handle it.

As long as you keep the power going to them clean, they'll take plenty more power than they're rated at. I wish I was lucky enough to have been able to hear 1 of these. You said it got 'surprisingly loud'..what would you compare it to? I'm also pretty intrigued by these little monsters.

itsblown
09-27-2012, 09:41 PM
As long as you keep the power going to them clean, they'll take plenty more power than they're rated at. I wish I was lucky enough to have been able to hear 1 of these. You said it got 'surprisingly loud'..what would you compare it to? I'm also pretty intrigued by these little monsters.
I would compare it to poopy single 12 set ups like a kicker 12 in a prefab type thing but when you see how little it is its quite impressive

landino13
09-30-2012, 12:14 AM
right now i have 2 12" kicker comps running on an 800 watt amp i know its not the loudest system in town thats for sure but i was looking to get two sa 8s, should i keep my system or get the sa 8s. im also hoping to get a bigger amp shortly.

IAD-Zak
09-30-2012, 12:22 AM
right now i have 2 12" kicker comps running on an 800 watt amp i know its not the loudest system in town thats for sure but i was looking to get two sa 8s, should i keep my system or get the sa 8s. im also hoping to get a bigger amp shortly.

8s all the way sir

mrrbiggz
10-10-2012, 09:21 PM
I am thinking of one of these.. my problem..I got a Silverado crew cab so space and a good box is an issue. How would these sound in a sealed box with about 500 goin to them..I am running a shallow MBquart sub in a prefab with about 200 rms to it. Sounds good but... I am very curious to know how deep theses can get.. any ideas>?

itsblown
10-11-2012, 12:30 PM
right now i have 2 12" kicker comps running on an 800 watt amp i know its not the loudest system in town thats for sure but i was looking to get two sa 8s, should i keep my system or get the sa 8s. im also hoping to get a bigger amp shortly.
well honestly as much as it pains me to say it the kickers will probably be louder.. you have to realize thats like 6x times the cone area as 2 8's so the 8's would have to have 6x the xmax and 6x the motor force as the 2 12s to get as loud on the same power. The sa-8's will certainly sound better and be able to play lower. The sa-8s absolutely blew my mind, it was peaking at around 30hz. so if you are a fan of the low lows the 8s will do you more justice than the kicker 12s but they wont do it as loudly


I am thinking of one of these.. my problem..I got a Silverado crew cab so space and a good box is an issue. How would these sound in a sealed box with about 500 goin to them..I am running a shallow MBquart sub in a prefab with about 200 rms to it. Sounds good but... I am very curious to know how deep theses can get.. any ideas>?
I highly suggest you go for the sundown audio sb-8 (the sb stands for sealed box) even in a silverado crew cab you should be able to fit a nice ported box for 2-sa8s but I highly recomend you do not put the sa-8s in a sealed box, they we rent designed for it, hence the creation of the sb-8.

Not sure what you mean by deep, are you refering to how low these will play?
if so extremely low. Absolutely blown away like I said before 1 sa-8 on just 500 measly watts in the trunk of a car was peaking at 30hz at 130.1db. my previous set up 2 mtx thunder 8000 on 500 watts would barely play 30hz the sa-8 can dig into the lows just as well as any larger sub, it just doesnt have the abbility to do it as loudly do to its lack of cone area. But in a space limited instal there isnt anything better on the market now that I can possibly think of.

mrrbiggz
10-11-2012, 02:37 PM
I loooked for those came up empty. I looked on Sundown's webpage and saw that they have sealed specs for the 8's. I called a local shop that is a authorized dealer and they said you can run them sealed. I rather go seal only because I drink too much to even think about trying to build a ported box. Its a toss up between the 10 Dayton HO or a SA-8. I like low deep bass.Hits hard at high volumes and still gets the lows. Ive seen some sick Youtube posts with some flexin off 1 SA in a ported box, but like I said I need to be mindful of the limited space under the back seat. The new body style has less room than last body style,,,so I just dont know....Crack open another beer...

itsblown
10-12-2012, 01:14 AM
I loooked for those came up empty. I looked on Sundown's webpage and saw that they have sealed specs for the 8's. I called a local shop that is a authorized dealer and they said you can run them sealed. I rather go seal only because I drink too much to even think about trying to build a ported box. Its a toss up between the 10 Dayton HO or a SA-8. I like low deep bass.Hits hard at high volumes and still gets the lows. Ive seen some sick Youtube posts with some flexin off 1 SA in a ported box, but like I said I need to be mindful of the limited space under the back seat. The new body style has less room than last body style,,,so I just dont know....Crack open another beer...
sorry the woofer is called sd here is a link to a thread talking about the prototype http://www.caraudio.com/forums/sundown-audio/548336-sundown-audio-sd-2-8-prototypes.html. Sure like the car audio shop said you can physically put the sub into a sealed box, but that would be a complete waste. The woofer wasnt designed for a sealed box and you would loose tons of output. After buying these on pre order and messaging jacob(owner of sundown audio) for box suggestions he strongly discouraged putting it in a sealed box. So if you cant fit a ported box for it or dont have the ability to design once I strongly suggest you go sealed 10, The Dayton HO is a very good choice

mrrbiggz
10-12-2012, 07:29 AM
Yeah I figured that. I really like to see what these are about tho. I might just try and get some plans for a ported box and start cutting.. Thanks for your help.. will let you know how it goes!

gamehawk55
11-14-2012, 02:56 AM
Hopefully somebody will still be around in this thread as I'm seriously considering getting 2 of these for my car. Currently I have a single JL 10W7 in the JL high output box and it still slams pretty good but I've never really liked the way it sounded with a lot of rock and metal music. On fast metal a lot of the quick bass hits just get muddled together and sound like **** or else don't really come out very loud at all. But with rap or dubstep or anything else with 50hz and lower it just kills it. I'm just wondering if I get 2 of these 8's and hook them up to my Audison LrX 5.1K will it be just as loud or louder than my W7 (3 years old). And will I notice a big difference in the response time and SQ?

Also was wondering what would be the best kind of ported box to build that would allow it to get really loud but still have very good sound quality? Small slot port? Or maybe a couple of aeroports? I'm interested in aeroports cuz I know they can move a lot of air. But do they retain SQ to?

Dtrom
11-14-2012, 03:30 AM
Gamehawk55, get rid of that "high output box" and get a real box built and that sub will shine.

gckless
11-14-2012, 04:01 AM
^^^This. W7's are good woofers. They are just expensive new, which I think is why most people shy away from them. But you put that in a good box, it should sound good.

gamehawk55
11-14-2012, 11:50 AM
So what kind of box would you guys suggest? Because I was under the impression that the official HO box for the W7 was supposed to be one of the best boxes you could put them in. Also not to be pushy or anything but I still would like to know if 2 sa8v2 subs would be better overall vs my W7 or if my money is better spent getting a new box built for the W7 which would be pricey cuz I cant build it myself and would probably cost more than a box for sa8 subs. For 2 sa8 v2 and a box id probably be looking at $500-600. Any and all help is much appreciated because ive been goin nuts for months wondering what I should do haha.

Jroo
11-14-2012, 01:06 PM
If it were me, I would get a box built for 10W7. You already have it and they are really good. For a factory spec/prefab box, the ho boxes are **** good, but you certainly can get a design and do better.

gamehawk55
11-14-2012, 03:21 PM
Do you have any suggestions on where to find a good design for a new box? My trunk space is somewhat limited. I BARELY got that HO box in there cuz the mouth of the trunk is a little tight. Once it's in there there's plenty more room haha. But yeah any suggestions or sites I can check would be great thanks :)

towtongebug
02-24-2013, 10:27 AM
Anyone up for After Sundown MCing on the forum? Obviously Frank preferred above most anyone, but based on ignoring the question in the thread, I assume he is too busy or doesnt want to.

So, person, I summon you.

fatisbac
06-30-2013, 10:58 PM
These things slam in small cars like 2 seat coupes and pick up trucks. 2k rms to 2 woofers and you can get low 150's spl. People that have bigger cars can burb them at 1.7k rms. They a nasty little subs.

Syntaxx7x
08-21-2013, 03:31 PM
what sundown amp should I get for 4 of the sa-8 v.2??

big_daddy79605
09-18-2013, 07:59 PM
ok im new to the form but got a few ? i just bought a 2008 smart car and i ordered a sa v2 8 2ohm and a 1cu foot ported pro box and i ordered a punch pbr 500x1 amp birth sheet shows 569 rms at 1ohm will that be plenty to run this sub or what should i go with i got the little pbr 500x1 amp do to little space in the smart car

Darkside59
06-07-2014, 01:27 AM
right now i have 2 12" kicker comps running on an matt amp i know its not the loudest system in town thats for sure but i was looking to get two sa 8s, should i keep my system or get the sa 8s. im also hoping to get a bigger amp shortly.

I had 2 12in Kicker CompVRs d4 wire down to 1ohm on a Memphis 1100watt RMS. It couldn't handle the full 1100watt so I replace with a single SA8v2 d2 and all i gotta say is ****!!! Very happy i made the switch.