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rock2593
04-11-2012, 06:49 PM
I have a 2008 G35x sedan

My set up now: Factory Head Unit(non-Bose upgrade), Two Alpine 10" type e Subs in a sealed box with a Rockford p300-1 amp and set up behind that is one JL 10" PowerWedge Max in a sealed box that includes a mounted J2-250.1 Amp.

Goals/Ideas I have: My main goal is to clean up my system and get better sq(i.e. custom sub box, new wiring, new speakers) Firstly, I'm taking the JL 10" sub out and selling it..anyone interested? lol :) Definitely planning on either: 1.getting new subs and 2.Put whatever subs i end up with, either my alpines or the new ones i get, in a custom ported sub box. Next and more important to me, i want to add new door speakers, i definitely plan on getting some nice front component speakers and then possibly/probably getting some rear coaxial speakers?? and hook those with a small but awesome amp to power those babys. Reason? My stock speakers **** because the sq ***** at louder volumes, ex. vocals become crispy and usually i have to turn it down bc it sounds so bad. Im trying to be able to turn the volume up louder and have cleaner and clearer sq.

what are your guys thoughts? what kind of speakers,amp, (and if i get new subs) should i get(brand/watts)? Do you think i should get a bigger amp for my current subs?

I just like hearing everyones opinions and options in what you think will work best in my car.

budget range:$1000-$2000 (aka: i don't mind spending a couple $100 more to get the better product)
Pics of my set up:
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rock2593
04-12-2012, 01:13 AM
Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Falcons
04-12-2012, 11:38 AM
bro with that budget you can get a high output alt, a couple batts, a 3000 watt amp and two high powered subs lol

bgowdy31
04-12-2012, 11:46 AM
i like the saying "lees is more" id get 1 alpine type x 12. idk about the ported box as far as sq goes. im not into sq anyway but ive always been told that sealed
boxes are better for sound quality.

TheUnderFighter
04-12-2012, 02:46 PM
Ugh... you don't need a HO alt or a bunch of amps or whatever, I dunno why people would jump all over suggesting that.
And sealed isn't necessary for SQ either, nor are you going for an SQ comp set-up.... so throw that out.

Let's start with a few questions...
How much space are you willing to give up in your trunk?
Are you able to build your own box if given a design? Are you able to do your own install?
What are your listening habits, and what music do you listen to typically?
What are your goals with your subwoofer/bass? Loud and clean? Murder the lows? Just a little extra oomph to fill in the lower frequencies?
And do you know if you have factory component speakers? (a tweeter location separate from the mid speaker in the door?)
How much, if any, modifications are you willing to do to your car? (custom fabrication in the doors or dashboard for speaker placement)
Do you want an aftermarket head unit, or are you looking to keep the stock one? If yes to aftermarket, do you want a single or double din?
Are you willing to buy used equipment or strictly new? (Don't be concerned with a warranty cus most are only valid if you buy and get it installed from an authorized dealer)

You should definitely sell those subs, and you'll probably want a bigger amp. The alpines with a box should be able to sell for like $200 on craigslist if you're patient. Same for the JL wedge.
Don't forget to factor in costs for extra stuff like wiring, big 3 wiring, installation kits, sound deadener, etc. If you're eager to get started, you can always buy some Big 3 wiring and get started on your deadener.

mclerico83
04-12-2012, 03:24 PM
CTX65CS IMAGE DYNAMICS NEW 6.5" PRO COMPONENT SPEAKERS | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CTX65CS-IMAGE-DYNAMICS-NEW-6-5-PRO-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-/120726132232?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item1c1bd69608)

my fav component set out there untill you get in the 400 plus range

Aura RPM4200 RPM Stage 2 Mobile Amplifier 4x50W 269-190 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=269-190)
great budget sq amp

US Acoustics USX-4065 Car Amplifier 4 channel US built Zed SQ Amp | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Acoustics-USX-4065-Car-Amplifier-4-channel-US-built-Zed-SQ-Amp-/120892389316?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item1c25bf77c4)
or old school zed amps are amazing

Flatlyne-12 D4 (http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/store/products/Flatlyne%252d12-D4-%E2%80%93-Incriminator-Audio-12%22-750W-Dual-4%252dOhm-Flatlyne-Series.html)
one of the nices sounding subs around

eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices (http://www.ebay.com/itm/REFURBISHED-CADENCE-Z5000-CLASS-AB-1500-WATT-COMPETITION-MONOBLOCK-CAR-AMPLIFIER-/260979364374?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item3cc3951216)
and get a nice class a/b mono amp and you will have a nice sounding system

TheUnderFighter
04-12-2012, 03:36 PM
^ All that sounds good, if it fits the OP's needs...
Except the a/b mono amp, not really necessary for a sub. Maybe for an SQ comp or something, but I doubt it'll make a noticeable difference in his daily set-up. PLus that Cadence is god awful ugly :P

dragnix
04-12-2012, 03:50 PM
hold everything, you have three subs of two different types in your car?

dragnix
04-12-2012, 03:51 PM
your problem is to get rid of those subs and get one or two of the same sub

TheUnderFighter
04-12-2012, 03:54 PM
your problem is to get rid of those subs and get one or two of the same sub

He already said he's selling that stuff off.

dragnix
04-12-2012, 04:07 PM
He already said he's selling that stuff off.

just making sure he won't do it again

rock2593
04-16-2012, 03:35 AM
Ugh... you don't need a HO alt or a bunch of amps or whatever, I dunno why people would jump all over suggesting that.
And sealed isn't necessary for SQ either, nor are you going for an SQ comp set-up.... so throw that out.

Let's start with a few questions...
How much space are you willing to give up in your trunk?
Are you able to build your own box if given a design? Are you able to do your own install?
What are your listening habits, and what music do you listen to typically?
What are your goals with your subwoofer/bass? Loud and clean? Murder the lows? Just a little extra oomph to fill in the lower frequencies?
And do you know if you have factory component speakers? (a tweeter location separate from the mid speaker in the door?)
How much, if any, modifications are you willing to do to your car? (custom fabrication in the doors or dashboard for speaker placement)
Do you want an aftermarket head unit, or are you looking to keep the stock one? If yes to aftermarket, do you want a single or double din?
Are you willing to buy used equipment or strictly new? (Don't be concerned with a warranty cus most are only valid if you buy and get it installed from an authorized dealer)

You should definitely sell those subs, and you'll probably want a bigger amp. The alpines with a box should be able to sell for like $200 on craigslist if you're patient. Same for the JL wedge.
Don't forget to factor in costs for extra stuff like wiring, big 3 wiring, installation kits, sound deadener, etc. If you're eager to get started, you can always buy some Big 3 wiring and get started on your deadener.

answers to your questions:
-I don't want to give up to much space because I'm sometimes hauling loads of random stuff around. so definitely more space than i have available right now. Thats why i was gonna get a custom box to fit the back of my trunk.
-Im not able to build my own box nor am i able to install anything myself, my carpentry work and wiring skills are definitely way below sub par. I have a friend who knows some people back home who are professionals at it so i can get it installed there for a lot cheaper than any audio store around here who probably charges $200 to install an iPod cable.
-i like to listen to my music pretty loud, especially when i have all the windows rolled down i like to crank it up as much as my speakers allow me before SQ becomes an issue. But i generally listen to a variety of rap, Hip hop, dubstep, and house music.
-for subwoofers I'm looking for a sub thats loud and clean that will put a little more 'oomph' in the bass compared to the two i have now. I don't need a sub thats just gonna rattle the heck out of my car if you know what i mean. thoughts on subs?
-im pretty positive that i do have factory component speakers this is what it looks like:
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-im not trying to do any unnecessary modifications.
-And I'm gonna keep the factory head unit, as of now, just because thats gonna be out of my price range since I'm trying to get new subs, custom box, and possibly new speakers.
-Im trying to buy them as new as possible. i would rather buy brand new products but am always open to great deals on very lightly used equipment.

so with this what are your thoughts? I'm definitely trying to sell all my subs and just restart my whole entire system

SuperSaeYoung
04-16-2012, 03:38 AM
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/wiring-electrical-installation-help/542938-do-i-really-need-ho-alternator-2.html

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 03:48 AM
Get rid of everything you have and never mix subs again which was probably part of the problem... We need to get exactly how much space you are willing to give up for starters...

TaylorFade
04-16-2012, 04:04 AM
Get the AudioControl lc2i that's on sale right now at Crutchfiled.

- SSA Icon 10" in ~ 1.5 ported.
- Crescendo BC 2000.
- Image Dynamics 6.5" comps already linked to.
- Find a clean 100x2 2 channel amp. Too many to recommend.
- AudioTechnix 1/0 wire
- AudioTexhnix sound deadener
- XS power xs2000 battery


That will put you in the $1200-1400 range already. You can always substitute used gear and save a bundle. I would recommend some processing of some kind but I don't know how crazy you want to get with the "SQ" portion of it. If you like "loud" though, maybe look into some Pro Audio components?

Also, this might be a little more complicated then you want to get, but might I suggest a bandpass box to fire through that ski pass? It'll be a closed box so you don't have to worry about damaging the sub and the box will also be stuffed up right by the back seats and out of the way of cargo you might put back there.

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 04:08 AM
AT wire is out of stock...

---------- Post added at 02:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 AM ----------

Also I wouldnt go with the BC I read they where having issues...

rock2593
04-16-2012, 04:10 AM
Get rid of everything you have and never mix subs again which was probably part of the problem... We need to get exactly how much space you are willing to give up for starters...

- im tryin to get the most space possible available for my use....this isn't an exact example of the custom box i was looking for but it gives an example of how much free space i am looking for: Car Audio Factory (http://add2.caraudiofactory.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_69&products_id=264&osCsid=pruovxxr)
-do you think that much space for the box will it still produce a much better output than what i have now?

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 04:15 AM
OP have you thought of doing an IB install? they arent the loudest but they sound good and save space...

TaylorFade
04-16-2012, 04:18 AM
OP have you thought of doing an IB install? they arent the loudest but they sound good and save space...

Booooo!!!! IB if for teh gays.

Link me to where you saw the BC was having trouble.

rock2593
04-16-2012, 04:21 AM
Also, this might be a little more complicated then you want to get, but might I suggest a bandpass box to fire through that ski pass? It'll be a closed box so you don't have to worry about damaging the sub and the box will also be stuffed up right by the back seats and out of the way of cargo you might put back there.

I like all of your recommendations for the set up! everything looks nice and within a good range....do you have a picture of this type of box your talking about here. sounds pretty legit

TaylorFade
04-16-2012, 04:24 AM
I like all of your recommendations for the set up! everything looks nice and within a good range....do you have a picture of this type of box your talking about here. sounds pretty legit

Yeah. I had the same type of seating in my Lexus. This is a very unfinished product and it's for (2) 10's, but it'll give you an idea of what I'm talking about. I actually got 148's out of that setup on a new amp. Super musical too.

TaylorFade's 4th order blowthrough. - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/build-logs/42999-taylorfades-4th-order-blowthrough.html)

rock2593
04-16-2012, 04:51 AM
Yeah. I had the same type of seating in my Lexus. This is a very unfinished product and it's for (2) 10's, but it'll give you an idea of what I'm talking about. I actually got 148's out of that setup on a new amp. Super musical too.

TaylorFade's 4th order blowthrough. - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/build-logs/42999-taylorfades-4th-order-blowthrough.html)

Yeah i definitely like that box, looks super dope. Hows its sounding? and also how much cargo space is it taking up in the trunk, it looks pretty deep i just don't know the difference between lexus/infiniti trunks

rock2593
04-16-2012, 04:52 AM
Also my back seats don't fold down, huge failure on infinitis part. dunno why they wouldn't do that?

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 04:53 AM
Booooo!!!! IB if for teh gays.

Link me to where you saw the BC was having trouble.

Just the BC 2000's... OP you could also look into DC amps since they are one Presale right now...

rock2593
04-16-2012, 05:32 AM
Just the BC 2000's... OP you could also look into DC amps since they are one Presale right now...
ill check out those DC amps. any recommendations? I'm always down for presale

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 05:44 AM
ill check out those DC amps. any recommendations? I'm always down for presale

They arent really my thing but for the price I was going to try them just cuz...

rock2593
04-16-2012, 05:48 AM
Yeah if i was gonna go for the DC's you think i would need the 1.2k? or go all the way for the 2.0k?

1.2k DC Audio - 1.2k (http://www.dcsoundlab.com/1k.html)
2.0k DC Audio - 2.0k (http://www.dcsoundlab.com/2k.html)

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 05:59 AM
Yeah if i was gonna go for the DC's you think i would need the 1.2k? or go all the way for the 2.0k?

1.2k DC Audio - 1.2k (http://www.dcsoundlab.com/1k.html)
2.0k DC Audio - 2.0k (http://www.dcsoundlab.com/2k.html)

that depends on how much you wanna drop on electrical...

rock2593
04-16-2012, 06:20 AM
Yeah i just PM him to see what the prices would be for the discounts on both...
what do you guys think about these for components vs the Image Dynamics: JL Audio C2650 2-Way 6.5" Car Speaker (368298559434) | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/JL-Audio-C2650-2-Way-6-5-Car-Speaker-/261001150567?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item3cc4e18067#ht_500wt_1156)
-also for the AT deadener what Mil would you go with?

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 06:54 AM
Yeah i just PM him to see what the prices would be for the discounts on both...
what do you guys think about these for components vs the Image Dynamics: JL Audio C2650 2-Way 6.5" Car Speaker (368298559434) | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/JL-Audio-C2650-2-Way-6-5-Car-Speaker-/261001150567?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item3cc4e18067#ht_500wt_1156)
-also for the AT deadener what Mil would you go with?

I dont like the lower lines of JL as for deadener 60 mill is good for most installs...

rock2593
04-16-2012, 07:18 AM
I dont like the lower lines of JL as for deadener 60 mill is good for most installs...

yeah i was liking those image dynamics, but is there a guide for installing deadener? where should i start? door panels or in the trunk?

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 07:30 AM
yeah i was liking those image dynamics, but is there a guide for installing deadener? where should i start? door panels or in the trunk?

Look up Sound Deadener Showdown that should give you a start...

rock2593
04-16-2012, 12:51 PM
Should i get two or one of the SSA Icon 10" woofers?

dirtyunclerandy
04-16-2012, 07:31 PM
One, I don't think you would want to give up the room for two. Depends also on the box, sealed or ported?

rock2593
04-16-2012, 09:31 PM
One, I don't think you would want to give up the room for two. Depends also on the box, sealed or ported?

Im trying to get a custom ported box, i mean i don't know much about SSA subs, how would one ICON-10 D2 10" compare to the two alpine 10" type e subs that i have now?

dirtyunclerandy
04-16-2012, 09:35 PM
Kill them and sound better doin it

rock2593
04-16-2012, 09:51 PM
Kill them and sound better doin it
How much room would it take up just having one? in a custom ported box?

rock2593
04-16-2012, 09:56 PM
The alpines with a box should be able to sell for like $200 on craigslist if you're patient.

how much would they sell for if i sold them with the box included and with the Rockford p300-1 amp?

dirtyunclerandy
04-16-2012, 10:08 PM
check out ssaudio.com. Look under the Icon for the predesigned enclosures. It will give you some dimensions

rock2593
04-16-2012, 10:33 PM
Alright awesome thanks man

Bettr n' Revrse
04-16-2012, 10:36 PM
An Icon 10 is gunna need like 1.4 cubes before ported or so...

rock2593
04-17-2012, 01:11 AM
An Icon 10 is gunna need like 1.4 cubes before ported or so...

so basically I'm going to have no trunk space at all?

brynm
04-17-2012, 01:46 AM
Not really, you will give up some space though, SSA's box design is 26w x 12.5h x 15d but you can play with those numbers. Make the box wider and less deep. for example a box 32w x 14h x 11d would give you about the same airspace,

rock2593
04-17-2012, 02:09 AM
Not really, you will give up some space though, SSA's box design is 26w x 12.5h x 15d but you can play with those numbers. Make the box wider and less deep. for example a box 32w x 14h x 11d would give you about the same airspace,

Im not positive on what the dimensions are for my 2008 35x sedan's trunk so I'm gonna have to look that up and make sure the box would fit. because i know my trunk has a lot of unnecessary bumbs and curves that make it hard for a box to fit

brynm
04-17-2012, 10:18 AM
Yeah, can't remember what the trunk is like, I was || that close to getting an 08 myself. Had a deal worked out with the dealer, downpayment paid then found out some bad things about the dealer so backed out.

Time to break out a tape measure.

rock2593
04-17-2012, 01:08 PM
Yeah, can't remember what the trunk is like, I was || that close to getting an 08 myself. Had a deal worked out with the dealer, downpayment paid then found out some bad things about the dealer so backed out.

Time to break out a tape measure.
Its a great car, real fast too, i got the four wheel drive version cuz i was always having to deal with snow and icy roads, but now that I'm living down in SC its fun as hell just whipping around turns, i literally stick to the road haha.
But seriously imma try and find some time today to takes some pics/measure my trunk and all that jazz

Below20hzonly
04-17-2012, 01:40 PM
yea go with one type x for the sub yo, sound pretty mint

rock2593
04-17-2012, 04:59 PM
Does anyone know the exact dimensions for a 2008 G35x Sedan's trunk or cargo space? (i.e. Height, Width, Depth, Angle of the back of the truck) I am unable to make it to my car because it is exam week and i would really appreciate it if anyone could help me on this one. thanks

rock2593
04-18-2012, 07:40 PM
Not really, you will give up some space though, SSA's box design is 26w x 12.5h x 15d but you can play with those numbers. Make the box wider and less deep. for example a box 32w x 14h x 11d would give you about the same airspace,
Got the dimensions for the back part of my trunk where the new box would be.... 27.4w x 18h x 18d....i wouldn't mind giving up a box that took up 18' of depth in my trunk because that would still leave me with 18" of more depth x 56" of width x 21" of height in the front part of my trunk