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Joseph7195
04-08-2012, 11:23 AM
This is my SQ build attempt. I haven't really explored the mass amounts of information involved in SQ till recently. I have always been a SPL type guy, so I am really new to this. This build is gonna include Cadence Acoustics equipment coupled with a Mobile Enclosures sub enclosure design and lots and lots of hard work from me. I plan on competing when I have finished everything.

This is a build by me, which isn't terribly easy for me. I love Car Audio. It's a passion that no amount of disability has yet been able to extinguish. I am not rich, I only have basic tools, no specialty tools, and the will to accomplish something that can make my family proud.

On to the Pics!!

This is the sub enclosure design and response characteristics.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadence12/ScreenShot2012-03-12Cadence12.png

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadence12/LABELScadence12.png

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadence12/LAYOUT-1cadence12.png

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadence12/cadence12s2w12d2jmbrresponse.png

I picked the location in my truck because it helps me get the sub as far forward as possible, and it doesn't take up room from my family because it was already unused space.

This is how most of us have to build enclosures vv
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadence12/build2002.jpg

Just the back of my truck, a circular saw and jig saw (which I didn't have last build) and a palm sander.

The cuts will be rough, there will be mistakes, but those can be fixed. This build log will include the enclosure, amp mountings, and any other ideas i come up with to enhance SQ in the truck. I will add some tweeter spheres to the dash or A pillar's as soon as I can decide on a final speaker to run.

If you have any questions or suggestions, let me know, I want everyone to be included in this build.

Falcons
04-08-2012, 11:27 AM
Tht response curve is insane!

Joseph7195
04-08-2012, 11:34 AM
I know! Almost to 90hz before the drop off. It's really gonna help to hide the location of the mids in the doors and help the sub blend in with them. I have been having a really hard time with midbass staging, so i am hoping this is gonna help. It's so hard because the rules of the competing organizations prevent moving the midbass's from the door, so i have to try and get them to play higher (location and frequency wise). I think I am gonna have a lot of tuning, but fortunately I have more processing than any man on earth should have, lol

Falcons
04-08-2012, 11:37 AM
I know! Almost to 90hz before the drop off. It's really gonna help to hide the location of the mids in the doors and help the sub blend in with them. I have been having a really hard time with midbass staging, so i am hoping this is gonna help. It's so hard because the rules of the competing organizations prevent moving the midbass's from the door, so i have to try and get them to play higher (location and frequency wise). I think I am gonna have a lot of tuning, but fortunately I have more processing than any man on earth should have, lol

Lol that curve itself is making me want to do an sq build in my gf's car haha

kushy_dreams
04-08-2012, 12:24 PM
I like builds with limited tools. It shows who the real men are, the ones with the real skills and motivation.

In for results :cool:

Joseph7195
04-08-2012, 12:25 PM
Ah yes, the Gf's car, or as I know it, "The Forbidden Zone". Lol, I have wasted much time trying to talk my old lady into a system.

Joseph7195
04-08-2012, 12:30 PM
I like builds with limited tools. It shows who the real men are, the ones with the real skills and motivation.

In for results :cool:

I am really excited, I am still on the fence about the enclosure covering. Not sure if I am gonna do a painted design type thing, carpet or vinyl. Carpet and vinyl I would have to take to someone and pay them to do it, which is why I think I am gonna do a gloss black paint and orange (Cadence colors) paint on it. Not sure of the design yet though. Maybe just all black with some strategically place orange lines here and there.

Falcons
04-08-2012, 12:32 PM
Ah yes, the Gf's car, or as I know it, "The Forbidden Zone". Lol, I have wasted much time trying to talk my old lady into a system.

haha it took a lot of convincing trust me. i had to pretty much beg her haha.

Flex68
04-08-2012, 12:57 PM
I think I am gonna do a gloss black paint and orange (Cadence colors) paint on it. Not sure of the design yet though. Maybe just all black with some strategically place orange lines here and there.

Just a thot, here, but do you know anyone who is decent at drawing? Maybe someone could free-hand you a Cadence logo, or something similar.
Either that or find someone who can 'upsize' it on a computer and/or plotting printer so you could transfer it to the enclosure yourself before painting it in....
I figure you'd prefer not to go through a clean SQ build---- with plans on maybe competing---- and just have it be black with org lines.

Joseph7195
04-08-2012, 01:15 PM
Just a thot, here, but do you know anyone who is decent at drawing? Maybe someone could free-hand you a Cadence logo, or something similar.
Either that or find someone who can 'upsize' it on a computer and/or plotting printer so you could transfer it to the enclosure yourself before painting it in....
I figure you'd prefer not to go through a clean SQ build---- with plans on maybe competing---- and just have it be black with org lines.

Good point, I really don't think I can free hand anything worthwhile. And you're right, it is gonna have to be clean. I may just attempt some type of design and if all goes terribly wrong, I will just have it carpeted, lol. I may try to get some people to do some free designs for me

Why So Cereal?
04-08-2012, 02:51 PM
:naughty:

Joseph7195
04-08-2012, 09:07 PM
Okay fella's, here are the box shots. I really tried my best, and it turned out so much better than I had thought (at least I think). I have always used 1" MDF for all my SPL builds. I had a vendor that could get it for $65 a sheet and I just never bought anything else. Well I used the 3/4" Birch this time and I didn't realize how much lighter it is and it's rigidity is awesome! The box has to be 30-40% lighter than MDF, anyways, here are the pics!

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure001.jpg
The 45's for the corner's were tricky as heck with a circular saw, but they turned out okay
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure002.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure003.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure004.jpg

All panels were test fitted and sanded down to make sure everything was a tight fit (kinda, lol)
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure005.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure006.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure007.jpg

I always make a mess with the sealant/glue. No matter how much I try Ha ha
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure008.jpg

Joseph7195
04-08-2012, 09:07 PM
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure009.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure010.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure011.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure012.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure013.jpg

I decided to go ahead and paint the port black even though I haven't decided on a color scheme yet, but i thought I might as well do it while I have the chance!

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure014.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadenceenclosure12/cadence12enclosure015.jpg

I am going to use the excess wood to build the amp racks tomorrow, and try to get the rear area in my truck situated. I have to take the old lady to dinner and a movie, so I will be back later! Thanks for being tuned in!!

(My old lady held me up so I could make a couple of the cuts, so I owe her)

Falcons
04-08-2012, 09:12 PM
its beautiful *tear*

SourDeez
04-08-2012, 09:19 PM
So you cant walk but you can do all this? Makes me feel really lazy... I had someone else build my box. Mainly because I dont have the tools, but still

Good job it looks clean

dirtyunclerandy
04-08-2012, 10:46 PM
Looks good to me. Hope it sounds amazing

Flex68
04-08-2012, 11:00 PM
Sweet!

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 02:32 AM
Thanks for all the kind words guys!! I can still walk very short distances and I use a cane most of the time, but I used to not be able to walk at all (until a very expensive and experimental surgery) and I am still fighting a very serious disease, but it doesn't stop me. I really wish I had a table saw though. The top turned out "out of square" but usable, so I had to stick with it in order to have some wood left over (ha ha) to build my amp racks. I still honestly don't know how it got out of square so bad. All the other cuts were just fine. After I get some fresh eyes in the morning, I plan on squaring everything up so it looks seamless and get to building the amp rack.

I am still open for suggestions for a color scheme or design to use. Hit me up with an example if you got one, and I might be able to do it! I plan on taking a whole bunch more pics guys, no matter how bad my work is, cause not everything turns out like it's supposed to, but a little extra work, and things tend to get squared up!

kushy_dreams
04-09-2012, 02:49 AM
I think it should be wrapped in a real dark carbon fiber (or look a like) material, maybe with a Cadence logo somewhere.

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 10:47 AM
I think it should be wrapped in a real dark carbon fiber (or look a like) material, maybe with a Cadence logo somewhere.

Carbon Fiber look it is!! That's what I needed, some help, thanks Bro! I never thought of that, and I like it, it will match the interior, and I think I saw some at Jo-Ann Fabrics when I was looking at carpet.

How does everyone make templates for odd shaped things. Under my rear seat is getting the amp rack but I need a template. Card Board? Poster Board?

Flex68
04-09-2012, 11:09 AM
Some 1/8"ish corrugated cardboard---- like from a fairly study cardboard box---- would prolly work well. I'm thinking posterboard might be a bit thin, unless you're really having to put it thru major contortions

Falcons
04-09-2012, 11:11 AM
Thanks for all the kind words guys!! I can still walk very short distances and I use a cane most of the time, but I used to not be able to walk at all (until a very expensive and experimental surgery) and I am still fighting a very serious disease, but it doesn't stop me. I really wish I had a table saw though. The top turned out "out of square" but usable, so I had to stick with it in order to have some wood left over (ha ha) to build my amp racks. I still honestly don't know how it got out of square so bad. All the other cuts were just fine. After I get some fresh eyes in the morning, I plan on squaring everything up so it looks seamless and get to building the amp rack.

I am still open for suggestions for a color scheme or design to use. Hit me up with an example if you got one, and I might be able to do it! I plan on taking a whole bunch more pics guys, no matter how bad my work is, cause not everything turns out like it's supposed to, but a little extra work, and things tend to get squared up!

You have more ambition than I do that's for sure lol

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 03:22 PM
Got a question Fella's! I am preparing to cut the false floor and amp racks and I need some pro help. When I mount the amp and run the wire up through the wood it's mounted on, do I cut the hole first, and then cover? Or do I cover the wood, and then drill through the covering and the wood it's mounted to? Pic v
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmountwire/ampmountwires003.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmountwire/ampmountwires002.jpg

(This is the old amp rack and not the real one, just using it for a picture reference)

I am trying to make it look as clean as possible, so maybe a pro like pro-rabbit can chime in too. The covering is not carpet, it's more like a black denim.

I am still trying to find something that resembles Carbon Fiber, but no luck so far kushy_dreams so I may have to pass on that idea. I really really liked that idea too

kramer_212
04-09-2012, 03:28 PM
ic, a fatmat decal :(, but looks good so far.

pro-rabbit
04-09-2012, 04:01 PM
Drill the wholesaler first then wrap it. Use a Sharp blade and a small x cut over the hole. Pull the wire through and then push it back to het the carpet to look right in the hole.

kushy_dreams
04-09-2012, 05:21 PM
As far as templates go, I like to use poster board or mat board(used for artwork and is thicker than poster board.) My mom is an art teacher so I always had easy access to mat board so thats mostly what I used. I have also used that brown heavy paper for packing. That stuff works real great when you need bends and curves for sheetmetal.

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 05:21 PM
Drill the wholesaler first then wrap it. Use a Sharp blade and a small x cut over the hole. Pull the wire through and then push it back to het the carpet to look right in the hole.

Thank You Sir!

SourDeez
04-09-2012, 05:50 PM
Drill the wholesaler first then wrap it. Use a Sharp blade and a small x cut over the hole. Pull the wire through and then push it back to het the carpet to look right in the hole.

Drill the wholesaler eh?

TheUnderFighter
04-09-2012, 05:50 PM
I think it should be wrapped in a real dark carbon fiber (or look a like) material, maybe with a Cadence logo somewhere.

TERRIFIC IDEA! Glad you're liking this one Joseph. Hope that turns out well.

Bettr n' Revrse
04-09-2012, 05:59 PM
I never saw what driver was going to be used?

pro-rabbit
04-09-2012, 06:02 PM
Drill the wholesaler eh?

That is a classic fail when posting with a phone... :crap:

Flex68
04-09-2012, 06:04 PM
I never saw what driver was going to be used?

Yeah, jew gonna use da Pyledriver to drill the wholesaler? :naughty:









Sorry, Joe, that was weak and uncalled for.....

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 06:10 PM
I never saw what driver was going to be used?


It's the Cadence S2W12-d2, and I haven't gotten to the front stage yet. The enclosure and amp rack was going to be the hardest and I have a couple days extra so I decided to do the hard stuff first. The S2 12 hits really good, and the enclosure's only cost about $60 to build, so if i don't think it will fit, I can pick a different Cadence sub (cause this is a Cadence SQ build) and try a different enclosure. I think the S2 in it's new enclosure will fit in just right though.

I am having a hard time finding the look a like carbon fiber material, so if anyone knows of a company or a sku from hobby lobby or Jo ann fabrics, don't hesitate to hook me up!!

kushy_dreams
04-09-2012, 06:38 PM
Maybe ebay or google/amazon it?

etm34
04-09-2012, 06:45 PM
what program did you use to get the frequency response and the dimensions?

kushy_dreams
04-09-2012, 06:45 PM
I found these in a quick google search for faux carbon fiber:

3M DI-NOC Carbon Fiber Vinyl | Carbon Fiber Gear (http://store.carbonfibergear.com/3m-di-noc-carbon-fiber-vinyl/)

Neffywrap.com, Home of the Original Neffy Carbon Fiber Wrap (http://neffywrap.com/)

There was a thread on some dsm forum and the censensus was the 3m stuff is the best and works well even when used on exterior applications.

However that Neffywrap looks legit and the price is more reasonable.

this would probably have enough material for you: http://neffywrap.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=37

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 10:34 PM
what program did you use to get the frequency response and the dimensions?

This build and the required frequency responses were too complex for me to calculate on my own. I can do basic designs but this was WAY out of my level of comfort. I used Jason Moble Enclosurs to design it for me. An amazing amount of calculations went into the design including using the response characteristics of my truck to ensure a flat response which take into consideration my resonant frequency and the fact I needed the enclosure to give the illusion of coming from the front of the vehicle instead of the rear. If you ever need an enclosure, give him a holla, you will not be disappointed :nerd:


I found these in a quick google search for faux carbon fiber:

3M DI-NOC Carbon Fiber Vinyl | Carbon Fiber Gear (http://store.carbonfibergear.com/3m-di-noc-carbon-fiber-vinyl/)

Neffywrap.com, Home of the Original Neffy Carbon Fiber Wrap (http://neffywrap.com/)

There was a thread on some dsm forum and the censensus was the 3m stuff is the best and works well even when used on exterior applications.

However that Neffywrap looks legit and the price is more reasonable.

this would probably have enough material for you: Classic Neffy Wrap DIY Kit [NW01XM] - $74.99 : Neffywrap.com, Home of the Original Neffy Carbon Fiber Wrap (http://neffywrap.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=37)


My god, that carbon fiber is S-exy!! I am gonna have to try to get some. And thank you so much for all your help and participation in my build. I am going to try to get some more pics up shortly!

dirtyunclerandy
04-09-2012, 11:04 PM
That cf is pretty nice. I will have to consider that when I do my new enclosure. It will match my interior.

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 11:08 PM
That cf is pretty nice. I will have to consider that when I do my new enclosure. It will match my interior.

I might cover a couple other things in my truck too. It's not as expensive as I thought, but it's still not cheap. This is one of those situations I will have to measure really good and only buy what I need and cross my fingers that I don't mess it up! lol

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 11:13 PM
This is a couple more pics of the amp rack fabrication. It's really still rough right now, but tomorrow I plan finishing it up, enjoy!

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmounting3/ampmountinpart2001.jpg

This shows the hole over the battery, and I am putting a door over it that will lift up to access the batteries and wires
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmounting3/ampmountinpart2002.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmounting3/ampmountinpart2003.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmounting3/ampmountinpart2004.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmounting3/ampmountinpart2005.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmounting3/myamprack1003.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmounting3/myamprack1001.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/ampmounting3/myamprack1002.jpg

I am getting closer and closer to being finished with the amp racks. I hope everything goes smoothly tomorrow!!

redrider
04-09-2012, 11:19 PM
im liking this build. that dakota amp looks ****. cant wait to see the finish results.

Joseph7195
04-09-2012, 11:30 PM
im liking this build. that dakota amp looks ****. cant wait to see the finish results.
Thanks Bro! I have been subscribed to your build too. I am eagerly awaiting you to get to painting the box and finishing things up (as if us audio addicts are ever really finished,lol) Fiberglassing is one of those things I am afraid of, but will eventually have to learn how to do it, just for the fact I am limiting myself on options because I don't know how.

redrider
04-10-2012, 09:47 AM
Thanks Bro! I have been subscribed to your build too. I am eagerly awaiting you to get to painting the box and finishing things up (as if us audio addicts are ever really finished,lol) Fiberglassing is one of those things I am afraid of, but will eventually have to learn how to do it, just for the fact I am limiting myself on options because I don't know how.

thanks man. i think everyone including myself is eager to see my build done lol. taking longer then it should but financial hurdles keep getting in the way, but hoping to get it done by the end of the month.

subscribed to see this build done as well.

09Alti
04-10-2012, 09:48 PM
In because I have an 08 Quad Cab and have been trying to come up with ideas. Looks good so far, keep up the good work.

kushy_dreams
04-10-2012, 09:56 PM
YOu should wrap the amp rack in cf too

Joseph7195
04-13-2012, 06:52 PM
I kinda over did myself early this week, so i took a little time to relax so i could finish up the amp rack. I still haven't finished covering the sub enclosure so I just left the old one in for now. On to some pics!!

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed001-Copy.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed002-Copy.jpg


http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed004-Copy.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed004.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed005.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed006.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed007.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed008.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed009.jpg

Joseph7195
04-13-2012, 06:54 PM
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed010.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed011.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed012.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed013.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed014.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed016.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed017.jpg
A couple of the curves on the rack were really hard to cover, it really takes experience to get those wrinkle free. But I really really really want to learn to do it, so I am gonna keep on trying.


http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed018.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed019.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/cadence%20amp%20rack%20installed/cadenceamprackfinshed020.jpg

dirtyunclerandy
04-13-2012, 11:33 PM
That looks great. Hope it sounds as good as it looks.

CADENCE SOUND
04-24-2012, 03:48 PM
It's the Cadence S2W12-d2, and I haven't gotten to the front stage yet. The enclosure and amp rack was going to be the hardest and I have a couple days extra so I decided to do the hard stuff first. The S2 12 hits really good, and the enclosure's only cost about $60 to build, so if i don't think it will fit, I can pick a different Cadence sub (cause this is a Cadence SQ build) and try a different enclosure. I think the S2 in it's new enclosure will fit in just right though.

I am having a hard time finding the look a like carbon fiber material, so if anyone knows of a company or a sku from hobby lobby or Jo ann fabrics, don't hesitate to hook me up!!

Metro Restyling - Carbon Fiber Vinyl - Camo - Woodgrain Vinyl Wrap (http://www.metrorestyling.com/) <<<Best place for all your wrapping needs.

keep_hope_alive
04-24-2012, 11:29 PM
looks great!

asianinvasion21
04-25-2012, 03:43 AM
Great Build my dude!

Joseph7195
04-25-2012, 08:50 AM
Metro Restyling - Carbon Fiber Vinyl - Camo - Woodgrain Vinyl Wrap (http://www.metrorestyling.com/) <<<Best place for all your wrapping needs.

Thanks Ryeon!! That's exacactly what I needed. "I have temporarily" covered it with that black denim clothe for Showfest (because it's getting really close) but this is what I will be using permanently afterwards, and I think I might get a professional upholsterer to do it, lol. I try so hard, but not even the Mexican in me can get my upholstering to look good, ha ha.


looks great!

Thank You Sir!! I have actually been trying to read up on that information you have given me, and I will say it is helping clear up some of the misconceptions I have had about the movement's of sound waves. I guess when you don't have the right information, you come up with theories that work in the mind, but not so well on paper. Well, now I don't have to be in the dark anymore!! Thanks! Oh, and I think in July I will be trying to order the RTA Analyzer stuff, and I might hit you up with a question or two. Nothing too big, I don't want to be a burden, Thanks again!


Great Build my dude! Thank You!! I hope you stay tuned in, and if you have any questions or anything, don't hesitate to ask, my work is always transparent, so I am willing ot help with anything you have!

keep_hope_alive
04-25-2012, 09:47 AM
you can ask as many questions as you want. no worries. keep up the good work.

Joseph7195
04-25-2012, 01:54 PM
you can ask as many questions as you want. no worries. keep up the good work.


Thanks Sir! I really appreciate it. I have a list of mods i am gonna do to start preparing for things. I might run this past you to make sure I am not going "Overboard" with things.

Joseph7195
04-25-2012, 01:54 PM
you can ask as many questions as you want. no worries. keep up the good work.


Thanks Sir! I really appreciate it. I have a list of mods i am gonna do to start preparing for things. I might run this past you to make sure I am not going "Overboard" with things.

Joseph7195
04-26-2012, 07:16 PM
Okay guys, it's stripping time! I jave stripped this truck many times before, so I don't think I will have any problems. These first pics are of things coming out.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2001.jpg

I am not keeping most of the wires, so I didn't care what they looked like while I pulled them out
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2002.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2003.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2004.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2005.jpg

These are possible locations I will have my tweeter spheres located. I am just doing a mock up today

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2006.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2007.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2008.jpg

This is my personal favorite!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/truckstrippart2/truckstrippart2009.jpg

I am going to try them at different locations while I have them playing in order to aim them correctly and try out the new locations. I know since it's a Dodge, it's gonna have some aiming-phase problems, so maybe test aiming will help narrow down my final mounting locations!

More Later on!

Joseph7195
04-29-2012, 09:31 PM
I got a couple more pics! Enjoy!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1005.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1007.jpg

My little boy helping his Daddy!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1009.jpg

Dash off
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1013.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1012.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1015.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1014.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1016.jpg

Joseph7195
04-29-2012, 09:32 PM
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1018.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1017.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1024.jpg


http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1028.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1029.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1027.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1031.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1030.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1033.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1034.jpg

Joseph7195
04-29-2012, 09:34 PM
I still have to clean everything up and add some more details, but I am done for a couple weeks. I have a lot of things planned, so I hope to have everyone stayed tuned in!

Flex68
04-29-2012, 10:02 PM
Good job, man!
What model is ur truck?

TaylorFade
04-29-2012, 11:06 PM
Awesome. I love build logs that actually have pics! Lol. I open some and it's like 2 cell phone pics in the dark.

Those United's are friggin smexy. I want to try an Olympia bad.

I'm curious to know how that box will sound with the sub forward firing. I used to have a console box in my truck but it was sub and port back.

kushy_dreams
04-30-2012, 01:08 AM
Looking good, especially the effort to keep all that wiring clean looking

Joseph7195
04-30-2012, 09:41 AM
Good job, man!
What model is ur truck?

Thanks Man! It's an 02' Quad Cab. I put a new engine in it 2 years ago(wasn't really that bad) but I recently rebuilt the rear end and it was he-ll! The transmission's a 45RFE, so I don't expect to have any problems out of her, they never go out


Awesome. I love build logs that actually have pics! Lol. I open some and it's like 2 cell phone pics in the dark.

Those United's are friggin smexy. I want to try an Olympia bad.

I'm curious to know how that box will sound with the sub forward firing. I used to have a console box in my truck but it was sub and port back.
I have been a cell phone pic culprit before! This log I wanted to be different, because so many people I know out there drive Ram Quad cab's, so i was kinda oping some of my ideas and pics would help out.
I am actually getting the Olympia (when finances make it possible) for a couple 8" mid-basses I am putting in the front doors. I will give you a review when i get them in, but the other amps along the United lines have been Amazing!!! The sub is weird getting used too. I have always had bass coming form the rear of my vehicles, whether it was the back seat or the trunk or even a wall, but this thing sounds like it's centered in the dash!


Looking good, especially the effort to keep all that wiring clean looking

Thanks Bro!! I am having to run all new wiring in a couple months and it's gonna include a tubing system to completely encase all the wiring, so I am gonna try to keep it all spic and span! I braided the RCA cables in hopes to stave of some noise, do you know if that will even help out?

cablguy184
04-30-2012, 10:24 AM
Awesome looking setup Sir !!!
What is your enclosure tuned to ?? And I kinda wish you would have ported your enclosure towards the dash along with the driver ...

and ... Are those Class A/B amps ??

Falcons
04-30-2012, 10:46 AM
Lol I love the saying below your name.

Joseph7195
04-30-2012, 11:02 AM
Awesome looking setup Sir !!!
What is your enclosure tuned to ?? And I kinda wish you would have ported your enclosure towards the dash along with the driver ...

and ... Are those Class A/B amps ??

Hey, coming from you, that means a lot!! As far as tuning, this graph was about all I could find on the tuning frequency:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadence12/cadence12s2w12d2jmbrresponse.png

I tried mounting the sub in reverse(sub back and port forward) but the response was totally out of balance. it sounded as though the sound was coming from the rear window. I had Jason Moble Enclosurs design this enclosure, and with the constraints of my build measurement requirements, it's turned out really really well.

Oh, and the big 4 channel is a/b, but the sub amp is D. It's a got studio grade output transistors, so it's got a very low level of detectable distortion.

And I am sorry I wasn't able to make it to Southaven to the meet and greet show earlier this year. I had a couple physical problems I couldn't overcome and I am really sorry I couldn't make it. I had been looking forward to it for a long time too. But there is Showfest in a couple weeks and I will be attending it (even if I have to wear a diaper, lol) but I hope you can make it. I am still excited about your new equipment and build too!

Joseph7195
04-30-2012, 11:38 AM
Lol I love the saying below your name.
Ha ha! It's been that way for a while, but I see it's not too different from yours, lol

cablguy184
04-30-2012, 12:06 PM
I like the whole RTA thing you're going for ... But its the judges ears that counts if you want to compete. My suggestion would be to sit and listen very carefully in several SQ vehicles (expecially Herman's truck) at competitions and get a good idea of what the stage and image should be like in your vehicle ... Just my suggestion bro ...

I (if I was to have a console enclosure) would have the port AND the Driver facing forward to enhance the "Up Front" and "On the Dash" bass response ...
I bet your enclosure is going to sound great, but you will hear bass behind you in competition, which will cost you in points ... I have the feeling you will actually have to "Time Align" your sub bass ... Again, just my suggestion bro ... then again, may turn out great !!! Trial and error ... This I know VERY well !!!

Having amps that give high headroom will help you out better cause you can run little to no gain on them ... less headroom will make you turn up gains (nothing to do with distortion here) and cause hiss in the system ... This is the reason I was asking about the amps ... From what I get out of Sound Quality The human ear is the best tool to judge Sound Quality ... even keep-hope-alive will agree with me on that ...

Anyways, I'm real intrested on seeing what you do with your high end setup !!!
I wish I could go to Showfest ... and I might ... But Spring Break Nationals busted me ... Hopefully, I will see you at showfest !!!
and if you need any help, PM me for my number and you know I live near Jackson ... You can come demo my truck any time you want Sir ...
She may not be the best SQ vehicle by no means, but she has proven to be able to hang with the big dogs in competition ... lol

Moble Enclosurs
05-01-2012, 06:06 PM
Thanks Man! It's an 02' Quad Cab. I put a new engine in it 2 years ago(wasn't really that bad) but I recently rebuilt the rear end and it was he-ll! The transmission's a 45RFE, so I don't expect to have any problems out of her, they never go out


I have been a cell phone pic culprit before! This log I wanted to be different, because so many people I know out there drive Ram Quad cab's, so i was kinda oping some of my ideas and pics would help out.
I am actually getting the Olympia (when finances make it possible) for a couple 8" mid-basses I am putting in the front doors. I will give you a review when i get them in, but the other amps along the United lines have been Amazing!!! The sub is weird getting used too. I have always had bass coming form the rear of my vehicles, whether it was the back seat or the trunk or even a wall, but this thing sounds like it's centered in the dash!



Thanks Bro!! I am having to run all new wiring in a couple months and it's gonna include a tubing system to completely encase all the wiring, so I am gonna try to keep it all spic and span! I braided the RCA cables in hopes to stave of some noise, do you know if that will even help out?


Thats the idea :D. Glad you like it man! Hope all is well!

Why So Cereal?
05-01-2012, 07:02 PM
Joseph is gonna own the SQ lanes when this is done! Great work man!

itsblown
05-02-2012, 08:32 AM
That is 100% clean man its looking good. I liked how you ran the wire into the door. Ive seen so many people have a nice looking install and then they take the wire and just smash it between the door pannel and the door. Just wondering though where did you find gaskets like that

Joseph7195
05-02-2012, 09:58 AM
I like the whole RTA thing you're going for ... But its the judges ears that counts if you want to compete. My suggestion would be to sit and listen very carefully in several SQ vehicles (expecially Herman's truck) at competitions and get a good idea of what the stage and image should be like in your vehicle ... Just my suggestion bro ...

I (if I was to have a console enclosure) would have the port AND the Driver facing forward to enhance the "Up Front" and "On the Dash" bass response ...
I bet your enclosure is going to sound great, but you will hear bass behind you in competition, which will cost you in points ... I have the feeling you will actually have to "Time Align" your sub bass ... Again, just my suggestion bro ... then again, may turn out great !!! Trial and error ... This I know VERY well !!!

Having amps that give high headroom will help you out better cause you can run little to no gain on them ... less headroom will make you turn up gains (nothing to do with distortion here) and cause hiss in the system ... This is the reason I was asking about the amps ... From what I get out of Sound Quality The human ear is the best tool to judge Sound Quality ... even keep-hope-alive will agree with me on that ...

Anyways, I'm real intrested on seeing what you do with your high end setup !!!
I wish I could go to Showfest ... and I might ... But Spring Break Nationals busted me ... Hopefully, I will see you at showfest !!!
and if you need any help, PM me for my number and you know I live near Jackson ... You can come demo my truck any time you want Sir ...
She may not be the best SQ vehicle by no means, but she has proven to be able to hang with the big dogs in competition ... lol

Absolutely! Being critical of the install is priority #1! And having the overhead with power was another "must have", I have only been able to test it a couple times, but even with the source turned up all the way, there is absolutely no hiss or noise. I wish I had gotten a couple more pics, but I grounded everything to the frame, including the head unit (which I used 8 gauge wire). I plan on getting a small welder soon and welding the contacts to the frame instead of just using bolts. But all in good time, cause ad you already know, things add up quick and get super expensive!


Thats the idea :D. Glad you like it man! Hope all is well!

It sounds amazing, as always!


Joseph is gonna own the SQ lanes when this is done! Great work man!
I hope to see you taking trophies in SPL at some of these contests too! As well as you've done in all other aspects of car audio, this is gonna be a cake walk for you!



That is 100% clean man its looking good. I liked how you ran the wire into the door. Ive seen so many people have a nice looking install and then they take the wire and just smash it between the door pannel and the door. Just wondering though where did you find gaskets like that

Thanks Man! I am glad you liked how I did that. The other gasket that runs the other wires through looks like it's just a tube, but it actually is a plug on both ends that plugs into the truck, and then into the door! A really stupid design for Dodge, I have to say. http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1007.jpg

It doesn't allow the addition of any extra wires to the bundle, but it also includes the factory speaker wires, which are ran directly beside the power wires for the door locks and window actuator, so every time you would hit any of those power buttons, you could hear a whine in the speaker where the window was being rolled up or in all four doors when you locked and unlocked the doors. There was no way around it, I was gonna have to run all new wires, lol.

But I got the grommets from every wives and girlfriends worst enemy store. Harbor Freight!! I have been banned from this store for the past 3 years by my old lady. I get coupons in the mail and hide them like I am hiding a chick in the closet like my old lady came home for lunch early, lol. The best thing I ever did was get on their mailing list, you can save a ton of money!

Gujuvim710
05-02-2012, 10:40 AM
This is a great build!! Cant wait to see it when you get done with the finishing touches!! I hope you come out with some trophies for this build!

Joseph7195
05-02-2012, 11:29 AM
This is a great build!! Cant wait to see it when you get done with the finishing touches!! I hope you come out with some trophies for this build!
Thanks! I hope you stay tune in, I plan on updating every chance I get. Even if I have not done any major mods, I plan on keeping it updated!

kushy_dreams
05-02-2012, 05:17 PM
...from every wives and girlfriends worst enemy store. Harbor Freight!! I have been banned from this store for the past 3 years by my old lady. I get coupons in the mail and hide them like I am hiding a chick in the closet like my old lady came home for lunch early, lol. The best thing I ever did was get on their mailing list, you can save a ton of money!

Troof, I'm not allowed to go in there by myself and leave the gf in the car because I have been known to get lost in there lol.

Gujuvim710
05-03-2012, 09:30 AM
Thanks! I hope you stay tune in, I plan on updating every chance I get. Even if I have not done any major mods, I plan on keeping it updated!

Yeah I'm definitely going to checking in to see what you have done! I go on from work almost everyday (:

Joseph7195
05-04-2012, 07:27 PM
I got a question guys! Tweeter Sphere time. Anybody got any good ideas on how to drill a hole into a wooden sphere and keep it centered, but also doing it with limited tools? Here are some pics of my problem:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/tweeter%20sphere%20attempts/tweetersphereattemps001.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/tweeter%20sphere%20attempts/tweetersphereattemps002.jpg

Multiple drill holes
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/tweeter%20sphere%20attempts/tweetersphereattemps003.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/tweeter%20sphere%20attempts/tweetersphereattemps004.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/tweeter%20sphere%20attempts/tweetersphereattemps005.jpg

I have an electric drill, but no drill press. no bench vise, just a couple clamps. Any ideas will be welcome!

redrider
05-04-2012, 08:47 PM
i was going to suggest cutting a portion of the end off, like you would for an onion so it has a flat surface to sit to cut the rest of it up, but here you would use the flat surface to drill into

Joseph7195
05-04-2012, 09:21 PM
i was going to suggest cutting a portion of the end off, like you would for an onion so it has a flat surface to sit to cut the rest of it up, but here you would use the flat surface to drill into

I appreciate your help, I plan on coming up with a simple way to make these things so other's like me (with limited tools) can build these more easily. It's a very important step in a lot of people's builds so I hope I can get it figured out.

redrider
05-04-2012, 09:24 PM
np man just throwing out ideas there.

MisterDeadeye
05-04-2012, 09:30 PM
Maybe put the spheres in an egg carton?

Joseph7195
05-04-2012, 09:38 PM
Maybe put the spheres in an egg carton?

You've mistaken my build log for The Thunderdome, here is a link to get you back on track:

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/thunderdome-forum-members-only/

itsblown
05-04-2012, 09:40 PM
I think that might of been a legitimate suggestions ? are you having problems with them rolling on you when your drill?

MisterDeadeye
05-04-2012, 09:41 PM
You've mistaken my build log for The Thunderdome, here is a link to get you back on track:

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/thunderdome-forum-members-only/

No. What's the issue with your drill holes? Are the spheres not staying in place? If they fit into an egg carton(even if you have to force them in), they'd stay pretty much in place as long as you position them so that your hole will be perpendicular to the surface the carton is sitting on.

Joseph7195
05-04-2012, 09:46 PM
I think that might of been a legitimate suggestions ? are you having problems with them rolling on you when your drill?

If it was, I would be sincerely apologetic.

And yes, it's a weird thing that's happening. As the clamp is holding it still, the bit (1 3/8" wood bit) is only 1/4" less in circumference than the sphere itself, so as you cut into the wood, the walls are getting thinner, allowing the walls to flex inward, squeezing the wood bit causing it to pinch the bit till it gets hung and then ultimately spin the sphere.

Joseph7195
05-04-2012, 09:53 PM
No. What's the issue with your drill holes? Are the spheres not staying in place? If they fit into an egg carton(even if you have to force them in), they'd stay pretty much in place as long as you position them so that your hole will be perpendicular to the surface the carton is sitting on.

Okay, I apologize. The force needed to hold the wood sphere in place while drilling is more than the egg carton could sustain. I like the idea cause it would help keep it upright (like a drill press vise) but the wood the sphere is made out of is very very hard. I couldn't make the one large diameter bit work, so I tried a smaller bit with multiple passes to do the same thing as a larger bit, but the wood is so stiff, the smaller bit caused the outer edges to chip off.

I did find a Forstner bit at harbor freight for $30, but I am trying to find an alternative for everyone that wouldn't require the buying of an expensive tool bit that would only get used once.

And again, I apologize. Thanks for the input, keep the ideas coming!

MisterDeadeye
05-04-2012, 09:56 PM
If it was, I would be sincerely apologetic.

And yes, it's a weird thing that's happening. As the clamp is holding it still, the bit (1 3/8" wood bit) is only 1/4" less in circumference than the sphere itself, so as you cut into the wood, the walls are getting thinner, allowing the walls to flex inward, squeezing the wood bit causing it to pinch the bit till it gets hung and then ultimately spin the sphere.

Hmm, troublesome indeed. With the egg carton, all of the pressure will be put on the bottom of the sphere, so you shouldn't have much of a problem with the outer edge of the sphere. Maybe try clamping the egg carton to your table(for added support), finding the exact you need to drill(the exact highest point of the sphere, make sure you're as close to perpendicular as possible, then drilling. If it doesn't work, I'm sorry. D:



Edit;

I think that with the way the carton is shaped, the force would be divided as such that after you use as much force you can physically exert(before even trying to drill, and just to see if this theory is even correct), the sphere still wouldn't move. I think it would be more likely to pop right back out than to completely smash the carton and go rolling off in another direction.

MisterDeadeye
05-04-2012, 10:10 PM
Based on that same concept, do you have any sheet metal that you could form into a cone? Or, you could try cutting a hole into a piece of wood, setting it down like a table, putting the sphere in that, and then drilling. With these ideas, the force from you pushing down would be met with the force of the table/metal cone/egg carton, which would put the pressure away from the walls that you're creating.

It would also be better if you could line the hole/point of contact with something soft like weatherstripping or foam to get as tight of a fit as possible, ensuring that the sphere wouldn't move(with the egg carton, because it's so flimsy, you wouldn't need this).

splwj47
05-04-2012, 10:30 PM
If it was, I would be sincerely apologetic.

And yes, it's a weird thing that's happening. As the clamp is holding it still, the bit (1 3/8" wood bit) is only 1/4" less in circumference than the sphere itself, so as you cut into the wood, the walls are getting thinner, allowing the walls to flex inward, squeezing the wood bit causing it to pinch the bit till it gets hung and then ultimately spin the sphere.

talk to keep_hope_alive

Joseph7195
05-04-2012, 10:53 PM
Based on that same concept, do you have any sheet metal that you could form into a cone? Or, you could try cutting a hole into a piece of wood, setting it down like a table, putting the sphere in that, and then drilling. With these ideas, the force from you pushing down would be met with the force of the table/metal cone/egg carton, which would put the pressure away from the walls that you're creating.

It would also be better if you could line the hole/point of contact with something soft like weatherstripping or foam to get as tight of a fit as possible, ensuring that the sphere wouldn't move(with the egg carton, because it's so flimsy, you wouldn't need this).

I think I see where you're going with this, and I like! Instead of squeezing the sphere to keep it from moving, use something that covers the rear of the egg and the friction of the materials hold it securely, without putting pressure on the sides. I could probably just cut out the styrofoam egg piece from the carton and put it into a form that is cone shaped (Like you suggested), and the force of drilling would hold it securely, and the more I push down, the more friction holds it in place.

I am gonna make a trip to harbor freight in the morning sometime, and I am gonna see of I can find something cheaper than a Fornster bit that will work, and do the same job. I even looked at a hole saw. They are pretty cheap, but I can't find one in the 1 3/8" size that would be needed. It would make a perfectly round hole on the edge of the sphere, and maybe I could use just regular drill bits to drill out the unnecessary wood in the middle.

keep_hope_alive
05-05-2012, 03:56 AM
i made my first spheres using a hole saw, which leaves the center piece. then i used a paddle bit to remove the middle. this usually resulted in some material left, so i used a dremel with a cutting disc. finally, i used a dremel with a sanding wheel to perfect the opening diameter. then i had to fill the hole in the rear of the sphere created by the pilot bit on the hole saw. i used a wood plug which was then sanded smooth.

then i bought a forstner bit set. so yea, fvck the old way.

i use double-sided foam tape in the vice to increase grip while allowing for less clamping force. i don't have issues with the vice squeezing the sphere this way.

keep_hope_alive
05-05-2012, 04:01 AM
or i can make the spheres for you. i do that. i have a price for just the spheres made per your dimensions, or you can mail me tweeters and i'll mount them for you.

a vice is a requirement in my opinion. spheres are easy with proper tools. which is why i can fabricate and mount in about 3 hours total effort. i charge $20/hr. + materials + shipping. so price is really just based on time spent, not-to-exceed of course. i'm not a con.

pro-rabbit
05-05-2012, 10:09 AM
i made my first spheres using a hole saw, which leaves the center piece. then i used a paddle bit to remove the middle. this usually resulted in some material left, so i used a dremel with a cutting disc. finally, i used a dremel with a sanding wheel to perfect the opening diameter. then i had to fill the hole in the rear of the sphere created by the pilot bit on the hole saw. i used a wood plug which was then sanded smooth.

then i bought a forstner bit set. so yea, fvck the old way.

i use double-sided foam tape in the vice to increase grip while allowing for less clamping force. i don't have issues with the vice squeezing the sphere this way.

Faster/easier to glass them then that method lol.

keep_hope_alive
05-05-2012, 12:25 PM
Faster/easier to glass them then that method lol.

no. start to finish is still under 1 hour to make the cylindrical hole, another hour to get the mounting stems positioned secured, another hour for painting/sanding. yes, i had to use several tools over several steps, but the process was still fast. glassing will take you much, much longer than that and cost more. and the end finish is less, trying to glass a perfectly smooth surface requires skill and patience. plus, you don't get the same diffraction benefits with traditional glassed pods.

these spheres are still the easiest tweeter mount i've done.

pro-rabbit
05-05-2012, 12:30 PM
no. start to finish is still under 1 hour to make the cylindrical hole, another hour to get the mounting stems positioned secured, another hour for painting/sanding. yes, i had to use several tools over several steps, but the process was still fast. glassing will take you much, much longer than that and cost more. and the end finish is less, trying to glass a perfectly smooth surface requires skill and patience. plus, you don't get the same diffraction benefits with traditional glassed pods.

these spheres are still the easiest tweeter mount i've done.

I don't find glass work to be that hard at all to be honest.

keep_hope_alive
05-05-2012, 03:52 PM
I don't find glass work to be that hard at all to be honest.

i agree glass is fairly easy, but very time consuming with having to wait for curing of the various layers.

i have some paper mache eggs that i will use for the shell of pods for tweeters or small mid/full range drivers. those will be glassed.

glassing a perfect sphere is not an easy task. i've seen several attempts. even people using balloons as the form.

Joseph7195
05-05-2012, 05:26 PM
I think fiberglass would be an option if I had knowledge of fiberglassing. It's one of those trades I haven't had the pleasure to learn yet. I am still trying to get "upholstery" figured out, though it's seems to be harder than I first thought.

I found a set of forstner bits, and it includes a 1" bit, which is about what I need. I don't want to make the hole to big to begin with, so I am gonna make it a little smaller and then just use a small "Dremel" like tool and slowly sand it out to the correct size. I hate to say it, but it seems the only way to make these things (and be presentable) would be with a forstner bit. Though I think a hole saw could be an option, though I don't have one to try out.. I am gonna make some more attempts tomorrow, I am really set on learning on making these things, and hopefully this log will help others too!

keep_hope_alive
05-05-2012, 07:25 PM
Besides the kit, you can buy individual bits. But in the larger sizes, two large bits is the price of the kit.

And yes, they are the way to make these things.

wenn_du_weinst
05-05-2012, 07:27 PM
fiberglassing a sphere ***** ***.

TheUnderFighter
05-05-2012, 07:44 PM
I got a couple more pics! Enjoy!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1005.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/Cadencefinished-part1/Cadencefisnishedpart1007.jpg



I loooove how you ran those wires. I can't believe I never thought of that. And I really wish I would have thought of it before I hacked up the wiring harness in my door.

Also, the amps and the amp rack look incredible and gorgeous and terrific. Awesome job so far!


Also, I might have to rent that bit off of you when I do my spheres.

Joseph7195
05-08-2012, 08:50 PM
Well, I have been resurrecting my dash. I think all Dodge's like mine have a serious problem with the dash cracking, so I thought of a way to use up some left over denim material I used for my amp rack, and used it for my dash! I hope you like!

This is how the dash started out. In a million pieces!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash001.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash002.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash005.jpg

I used a quick setting epoxy to bind all the pieces back together
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash010.jpg
It's not pretty, hence I was going to have to cover it
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash006.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash007.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash008.jpg

Joseph7195
05-08-2012, 08:50 PM
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash009.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash011.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash012.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash013.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash014.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash015.jpg

I am going to add the tweeter spheres to it before I put it back into the truck, I have a feeling once I get it back in, it won't come out without it breaking to a million pieces!

Joseph7195
05-10-2012, 10:43 AM
Here are some pics of the tweeter spheres. I need some help too.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash001-1.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash002-1.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash004.jpg

I need help with finishing the front of the spheres
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash005-1.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/dash/dash006-1.jpg

I was gonna put a metal grill over the front, but I didn't like how it looked. I need some ideas of things I could use to encircle the outside of the tweeter that would also be inside the diameter of the sphere. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!!!

Joseph7195
02-24-2013, 12:18 PM
Bump, because I can.