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Cinderella
03-14-2012, 09:32 PM
So, if the SKAR VVXs are considered underrated at 600w RMS, what do you guys think would be a good amount of power to give them daily?

I plan on buying 1 15" sub, and throwing it in a box that's giving the sub 3.0-3.2 cubic feet of space.

GAMEOVERCCA
03-14-2012, 09:54 PM
skars are underrated at 600, but keep in mind there not underrated like a SA15 or a LI15.. id say 800rms daily is tops i would give it safely..

Isaac
03-14-2012, 09:55 PM
I've seen videos of people puting 1000-1500 watts to each of them. Clean power though

Cinderella
03-14-2012, 09:56 PM
I'm thinking of giving it 900w @ 2 ohms and just being careful with the gain..

murph
03-14-2012, 09:56 PM
Make sure that box is built well. If the sub is facing up in that trunk you will not be too happy.

GAMEOVERCCA
03-14-2012, 09:56 PM
clean power is hard to come buy, and not daily.. still killer subs for there price point

Isaac
03-14-2012, 09:58 PM
clean power is hard to come buy, and not daily.. still killer subs for there price point
Yeah that's true. Daily probably 800-1000 maybe. What amps are you looking at?

murph
03-14-2012, 10:00 PM
Also get an amp that does 1k at 2ohms that is because after voltage loss, box rise, and so on you will not get that much power going to it.

GAMEOVERCCA
03-14-2012, 10:05 PM
you can cure alot of that issue of rise with, big 3 upgrade, direct leads to sub (no terminals or cups) and upgrade to a better agm battery under hood. that will cut your rise big time.. i have done the testing and just thoughs 3 things cut voltage loss and ohm rise in half if not more.

Falcons
03-14-2012, 10:22 PM
hi tristan!

UnderFire
03-14-2012, 10:27 PM
I think the BRZ is a great match for the Skar's, it doesn't push rated, but in this case that's a good thing.

g6ryder
03-15-2012, 01:52 AM
I put a DAT2500.1 @ 1ohm to the pair of my VVX 10s daily they handled it fine never got stinky, Just be careful with your gain and stay clip free you should get away 1k maybe a little more a piece.

SourDeez
03-15-2012, 02:02 AM
I think the BRZ is a great match for the Skar's, it doesn't push rated, but in this case that's a good thing.

And do you have proof that the BRZ does not do rated or are you just hating on hifonics like most?

Imtjnotu
03-15-2012, 02:05 AM
Give it more space 3.5 cubes

g6ryder
03-15-2012, 02:09 AM
And do you have proof that the BRZ does not do rated or are you just hating on hifonics like most?

Likely he is stating that bc he hears it around, Ive owned the BRZ2400.1 and it was a very solid amp esp. for the price point although i never clamped it, it was very powerful and i loved it.

IonRL205
03-15-2012, 02:09 AM
I'm gonna run a BRZ2100 to my pair of 10s

UnderFire
03-15-2012, 02:13 AM
And do you have proof that the BRZ does not do rated or are you just hating on hifonics like most?

I've used Hifonics and love them, they may hit rated at full tilt, but it isn't like the more expensive amps that will do it cleanly. I would never run one to full-tilt because I wouldn't trust the signal being clean enough to keep the sub safe.

I've also never clamped one, but I've heard the difference of many different 1200W Amps on the exact same set-up and the Hifonics was lacking.

SourDeez
03-15-2012, 02:18 AM
I've used Hifonics and love them, they may hit rated at full tilt, but it isn't like the more expensive amps that will do it cleanly. I would never run one to full-tilt because I wouldn't trust the signal being clean enough to keep the sub safe.

I've also never clamped one, but I've heard the difference of many different 1200W Amps on the exact same set-up and the Hifonics was lacking.

i dont know about all that.. I run a brz2400 at .5 (used to at 1 as well) and it just slams.. maybe your amp was just a dud.. I've heard a fair share of amps.. kicker zx2500.. rf2500.. and i can tell no difference

no clamp personally so I cant say for sure.. but it was the best $300 ive spent on any car audio purchase to date

Arp0833
03-15-2012, 02:33 AM
You can give that sub 2000 watts RMS if you wanted to, as long as you adjust the gain so that no distortion is heard. I would give it 800-1000 RMS though, as long as you don't have it on full blast for long periods of time because then it could possibly melt the voice coil due to the excessive wattage but it should be fine if you set the gains on the amp correctly.

SourDeez
03-15-2012, 02:48 AM
I'm gonna run a BRZ2100 to my pair of 10s

at 1 ohm?

IonRL205
03-15-2012, 02:58 AM
at 1 ohm?

Yeah. Amp will be here later today :)

Two VVX 10s in 3 cubes @ 30 hz

SourDeez
03-15-2012, 03:01 AM
Yeah. Amp will be here later today :)

Two VVX 10s in 3 cubes @ 30 hz

You will be happy.

I have a 2400 on 2 SA12's, its awesome.

IonRL205
03-15-2012, 03:02 AM
You will be happy.

I have a 2400 on 2 SA12's, its awesome.

Yeah, I'm surprised the output they have right now on this cheap kenwood 400w amp I'm using. Can't wait to hear them on the BRZ

jolly_26
03-15-2012, 03:07 AM
You can give that sub 2000 watts RMS if you wanted to

based on what evidence? Just out of interest; I have never heard of anyone giving a vvx over 1k daily

SourDeez
03-15-2012, 03:08 AM
Yeah, I'm surprised the output they have right now on this cheap kenwood 400w amp I'm using. Can't wait to hear them on the BRZ

Good ****. Let me know how it goes. Bet you $5 when you install it and first crank it you while have a smile on your face.. I know I always do when I install some new ****

Cinderella
03-15-2012, 10:57 AM
I put a DAT2500.1 @ 1ohm to the pair of my VVX 10s daily they handled it fine never got stinky, Just be careful with your gain and stay clip free you should get away 1k maybe a little more a piece.

Hey, thanks for the help. Is there some kind of meter I can hook up to my setup to tell whether I'm clipping or not?

Mitch86
03-15-2012, 11:00 AM
Hey, thanks for the help. Is there some kind of meter I can hook up to my setup to tell whether I'm clipping or not?

There is, but if you set your gains properly with the DMM method you should be fine.

Flex68
03-15-2012, 11:05 AM
You can give that sub 2000 watts RMS if you wanted to, as long as you adjust the gain so that no distortion is heard. I would give it 800-1000 RMS though, as long as you don't have it on full blast for long periods of time because then it could possibly melt the voice coil due to the excessive wattage but it should be fine if you set the gains on the amp correctly.

Yeah, gunna call BS on that...never heard of anybody sending that much to them, esp daily driver with music vs/ test tone.
Underrated is one thing, putting 2k on a 600WRMS sub and expecting them to take it is just idiotic.

That being said, I am putting two of the VVX-12 d2s in my daily driver soon, and will be confident in sending each 750-800WRMS , consistently.... wouldn't sweat burping them upwards of another 200-400, but alot of that feeling of being safe is in knowing you have clean power along with a correctly built enclosure, gains correctly set, known box rise, etc, etc.

Kangaroux
03-15-2012, 11:14 AM
Hey, thanks for the help. Is there some kind of meter I can hook up to my setup to tell whether I'm clipping or not?

There is a DSO Nano rental thread on here so you can measure your amp's output signal. TBH you don't really need an o-scope or anything like that unless you really want to squeeze every watt out of your amp. Set your gains with a DMM for 800w using a 50hz -3dB test tone and you'll be good to go. Small changes in power will hardly effect the volume, so you may not hear much between 800-1000w, and consequently your sub will just heat up more.

Cinderella
03-15-2012, 11:16 AM
There is a DSO Nano rental thread on here so you can measure your amp's output signal. TBH you don't really need an o-scope or anything like that unless you really want to squeeze every watt out of your amp. Set your gains with a DMM for 800w using a 50hz -3dB test tone and you'll be good to go. Small changes in power will hardly effect the volume, so you may not hear much between 800-1000w, and consequently your sub will just heat up more.

Right, that makes sense. However, will it heat up too much to where I won't be able to run it daily?

Kangaroux
03-15-2012, 11:18 AM
Right, that makes sense. However, will it heat up too much to where I won't be able to run it daily?

At 800w it shouldn't. If it's heating up and getting hot you will smell it right away. Personally, I don't set my stuff with a DMM. Over the course of a week or so I slowly turn up the gain until the sub starts getting smelly when I play it hard for several minutes. At that point I slightly back down the gain until it's safe to play.

Cinderella
03-15-2012, 11:22 AM
At 800w it shouldn't. If it's heating up and getting hot you will smell it right away. Personally, I don't set my stuff with a DMM. Over the course of a week or so I slowly turn up the gain until the sub starts getting smelly when I play it hard for several minutes. At that point I slightly back down the gain until it's safe to play.

Well, my amplifier puts out 900w @ 2 ohms..but it'll be safe if I use the DMM on the gain, correct?

Kangaroux
03-15-2012, 11:23 AM
Well, my amplifier puts out 900w @ 2 ohms..but it'll be safe if I use the DMM on the gain, correct?

Yeah you should be good. Though you might run into problems if you get heavy voltage drop

GAMEOVERCCA
03-15-2012, 11:25 AM
I think the BRZ is a great match for the Skar's, it doesn't push rated, but in this case that's a good thing.

hate to tell you, ALL the Brutus amps do rated or more depending on electrical.. just another hifonics hater? the only downfall to them is there longevity other then that i have disproved any rumors of them not doing rated, and i have a BXI1608D sitting here that clamps 1705 on 13ish volts...

Cinderella
03-15-2012, 11:26 AM
Yeah you should be good. Though you might run into problems if you get heavy voltage drop

Hopefully my Big 3 will take care of that. :D

Arp0833
03-15-2012, 11:22 PM
I was making a point that as long as you adjust the gains correctly that you won't have problems. I said after that I would give it 800 to 1000 watts RMS. My friend has a Rockford Fosgate T1D2 on a Hifonics Brutus BRZ2100.1D @ 1 ohm which is 2,100 watts RMS and the sub takes it but he doesn't play if on full blast for more than a minute and keeps the bass about half way on the HU. It can take that kind of power as long as it isn't on full blast like I said before.

And he says it sounds better with that much power going to it, but he doesn't turn the bass all the way up unless he is showing off for a minute.

_S7V7N_
03-16-2012, 01:34 AM
I had a BXI 1210 D, Earlier model of your amp Cinder. And it did fine on Yaris Electrical. I have my Big 3 upgraded, just don't run around all day playing test tones and you'll be fine. I had mine at both 1 ohm and 2 ohm at diff times.

What type of wiring are you using btw ?

IonRL205
03-16-2012, 02:57 AM
:)

http://i41.tinypic.com/35je4w5.jpg

Bettr n' Revrse
03-16-2012, 03:38 AM
Make sure that box is built well. If the sub is facing up in that trunk you will not be too happy.

My Skar 12 was firing up and was just fine... As long as there is enough room between the sub and rear deck itll be fine...

VisceralSound
03-16-2012, 03:47 AM
My Skar 12 was firing up and was just fine... As long as there is enough room between the sub and rear deck itll be fine...

What if theres maybe 5" or so between the deck (maybe a little less I'm not near my car right now) I plan on putting a 15 and it'll be upfiring.

Bettr n' Revrse
03-16-2012, 03:48 AM
What if theres maybe 5" or so between the deck (maybe a little less I'm not near my car right now) I plan on putting a 15 and it'll be upfiring.

5" isnt bad... I think thats a little less then I had...

VisceralSound
03-16-2012, 03:49 AM
Cool, actually I think it might be like 3-4" but hey I'll see soon enough once I finish my box and order the VVX15.

disturbed471985
03-16-2012, 06:10 AM
Make sure that box is built well. If the sub is facing up in that trunk you will not be too happy.


???? My subs are up port back and its beyond brutal gives my rear window hell.... Next step in build is to find a second A7 and strap them and see what they can do... Based on my exp with the vvx they can take 1k daily without issue..

Flex68
03-17-2012, 04:14 AM
I was making a point that as long as you adjust the gains correctly that you won't have problems. I said after that I would give it 800 to 1000 watts RMS. My friend has a Rockford Fosgate T1D2 on a Hifonics Brutus BRZ2100.1D @ 1 ohm which is 2,100 watts RMS and the sub takes it but he doesn't play if on full blast for more than a minute and keeps the bass about half way on the HU. It can take that kind of power as long as it isn't on full blast like I said before.

And he says it sounds better with that much power going to it, but he doesn't turn the bass all the way up unless he is showing off for a minute.

ur an idiot. stop attempting to give advice to others when it is clear u don't know wtf ur talking about...and stop trying to cover up said pathetic advice with even more pathetic remarks about "I was making a point" .... and then go on to talk about what ur friend is running.... lmao
Your friend's setup has nothing whatsoever to do with the OP's question about how much she could feed her Skar VVXs.

SKAR-MaliBOOM
03-17-2012, 07:49 PM
Throw a SKAR 800.1 on it and call it a day :)

SourDeez
03-17-2012, 09:29 PM
:)

http://i41.tinypic.com/35je4w5.jpg

What ya think?

IonRL205
03-17-2012, 09:56 PM
What ya think?

Pretty **** loud lol, much louder than my SPLAudio tc9 15 on an MBQuart onx1.1500d. I'm uploading a video right now of the system, I'll post a link when it's complete.