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bds0688
02-21-2012, 12:35 PM
My car came with the Alpines and they're not terrible, but I do want something better. My previous speakers were Diamond Audio that I absolutely loved. Sadly, they got lost between moves/damaged or what have you. Otherwise, they'd be in there already. If memory serves me, they were D661s.


The previous owner paid retail, give or take, so 130-150. I'm looking to spend about the same, but know with digging and I can find much better.


I've had good luck with ebay, so I'm not opposed to links there.

The amp is a Phoenix Gold ZX250, so 75(conservative) rms to play with.

KyleBechtold
02-21-2012, 12:37 PM
well the next step up.. type rs..

Why So Cereal?
02-21-2012, 01:56 PM
Pioneer TS d1720c
Boston sc60

Why So Cereal?
02-21-2012, 01:56 PM
Double

TheUnderFighter
02-21-2012, 02:22 PM
I wasn't impressed in the least by my Type R's so I'll shoot that one down. Might wanna look into some CDT audio. CDT Audio COM-626 - Vertex Audio (http://www.vertexaudio.com/store/pc/CDT-Audio-COM-626-Component-Set-65p175.htm#details)

Why So Cereal?
02-21-2012, 02:27 PM
Or massive ck6 stage 5

Why So Cereal?
02-21-2012, 02:27 PM
Or massive ck6 stage 5

bds0688
02-21-2012, 04:07 PM
Cool. I'll check those out. I saw some ID 6.5, I believe ctx65cs, on ebay that weren't far from my range. How are those?

Seraphim38
02-21-2012, 05:29 PM
If you search you will find lots of endorsements for the Morel Maximo 6.5s, which run around $170 new. The other choices I might suggest would be Polk MM6501s, while Massive CK6 and CDT are good alternatives. Not far from the Hertz price point, but probably you'll get the most value out of the Morels.

zako
02-21-2012, 05:45 PM
Every single comp set in your price range that I head (or heard about) has people complaining about tweeters (too loud, too harsh, not enough detail, etc). The rocks had been thrown in the direction Infinitys, Image Dynamics CTX, Alpine Type-R, Morel Maximo, and Massive Audio CK6 tweeters. I don't know whether affordable component speakers from big companies tend to come with substandard tweeters or whether the passive crossovers were not designed well. This is why I gave up on passive comps and bi-amp my speakers. If you could go active or bi-amp route, some of that could be a non issue. From the above, I would consider cautiously Massive Audio CK6.

bds0688
02-21-2012, 07:54 PM
Bi-amping is possible, but at that point I'd just spring for better comps. Active might be doable. I'm running an Alpine cda-117.
Would the 18 rms from that keep up with the amped mids and a substage?

I'm not going for a crazy build. Car is paid off, old and ugly. Want a modest system to carry over when my engine or tranny give way.

Why So Cereal?
02-21-2012, 08:27 PM
18w would probably be fine for tweeters

MisterDeadeye
02-21-2012, 08:32 PM
I wouldn't go for Morel Maximos. The only reason I've seen people praise them was because of a super deal Amazon had a few months ago with them. I bought a pair of their 6x9s for $38, and they're just not very good.

Why So Cereal?
02-21-2012, 08:35 PM
I think Maximos are hate it or love it. Friend of mine loves his over everything else he's heard even top if the line stuff. Others say they suuck bawlzz.

I do think they're overrated due to the Morel name being on them. Same with lower line Focal stuff. And the prices on those Morel Maximos now just makes it worse IMO.

wenn_du_weinst
02-21-2012, 08:41 PM
keep the type s and put 125 into deadener

wenn_du_weinst
02-21-2012, 08:43 PM
WoofersEtc.com - D662S - Diamond Audio 6.5" 2-Way 150W Component Speaker System (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-6649-d662s-diamond-audio-65-2-way-150w-component-speaker-system.aspx)

and the diamonds arn't much more then $150

Why So Cereal?
02-21-2012, 08:46 PM
^^i run diamond d6 tweeters now and LOVE them. Mine are aluminum and still very smooth even directly on axis. Amazing detail too.

Not sure about the midbass but I doubt those tweets will disappoint u

bds0688
02-22-2012, 01:01 AM
WoofersEtc.com - D662S - Diamond Audio 6.5" 2-Way 150W Component Speaker System (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-6649-d662s-diamond-audio-65-2-way-150w-component-speaker-system.aspx)

and the diamonds arn't much more then $150

They are enticing.

I have some deadener, speaker kit from dynamat. Not terrific, but I'm hesitant to do more.

Some good food for thought in here. Thanks.

bds0688
02-22-2012, 01:02 AM
WoofersEtc.com - D662S - Diamond Audio 6.5" 2-Way 150W Component Speaker System (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-6649-d662s-diamond-audio-65-2-way-150w-component-speaker-system.aspx)

and the diamonds arn't much more then $150

They are enticing.

I have some deadener, speaker kit from dynamat. Not terrific, but I'm hesitant to do more.

Some good food for thought in here. Thanks.

hari-bhari
02-22-2012, 09:40 AM
I would go Diamond or ID for that price range. If you are willing to go up to low 200s, there was a used Hybrid Imagine set floating around which are a current forum boner.

zako
02-22-2012, 10:08 AM
With 18watts RMS, you're not even getting the most out of your Alpine Type-S. If you don't want to install an amplifier, just keep the Type-S or perhaps install Morel Maximos (supposedly they sound decent off head unit power). But all in all, the first step in getting better sound is to buy an amplifier. If you want a recommendation, one of boner amps right now is Precision Power Phantom P900.4. Sonicelectronix offer them for $200 shipped. Honest 4x140watts RMS or 2x450watts when bridged. Enough to power pretty much any front speakers and a subwoofer with bridged second set of channels.

I would second the recommendation of the HAT Imagine speakers. I run them in bi-amp mode with a 2.2uF cap on the tweeter. However, it's a waste to run them without an amplifier IMO. Give them at least an honest 60watts, though the mids could take happily over 100watts RMS. They could be over your budget as the cost $250 new.

bds0688
02-22-2012, 02:49 PM
With 18watts RMS, you're not even getting the most out of your Alpine Type-S. If you don't want to install an amplifier, just keep the Type-S or perhaps install Morel Maximos (supposedly they sound decent off head unit power). But all in all, the first step in getting better sound is to buy an amplifier. If you want a recommendation, one of boner amps right now is Precision Power Phantom P900.4. Sonicelectronix offer them for $200 shipped. Honest 4x140watts RMS or 2x450watts when bridged. Enough to power pretty much any front speakers and a subwoofer with bridged second set of channels.

I would second the recommendation of the HAT Imagine speakers. I run them in bi-amp mode with a 2.2uF cap on the tweeter. However, it's a waste to run them without an amplifier IMO. Give them at least an honest 60watts, though the mids could take happily over 100watts RMS. They could be over your budget as the cost $250 new.

I currently have the Type-S on a Phoenix Gold ZX250. I was saying, if I were to go active, I'd have to use my HU for the tweeter power. If I'm going to buy the second amp and wiring for it, I may as well bump to a decent mid-range like the DD62s or such and upgrade the amp down the road, since 75 will be sufficient.

Deadener is something I may not do extensively because of the age of the car. I'm saving my ambition and money for such endeavors for my next car when my current kicks the bucket. Salvage title 98 Avenger. No insurance company is going to save it if wrecked.

mylows10
02-22-2012, 02:56 PM
cdt cl 61 the newer models with the ex 53- xovers and tw25 tweets

whitedragon551
02-22-2012, 03:06 PM
Every single comp set in your price range that I head (or heard about) has people complaining about tweeters (too loud, too harsh, not enough detail, etc). The rocks had been thrown in the direction Infinitys, Image Dynamics CTX, Alpine Type-R, Morel Maximo, and Massive Audio CK6 tweeters. I don't know whether affordable component speakers from big companies tend to come with substandard tweeters or whether the passive crossovers were not designed well. This is why I gave up on passive comps and bi-amp my speakers. If you could go active or bi-amp route, some of that could be a non issue. From the above, I would consider cautiously Massive Audio CK6.

Has nothing to do with substandard tweeters or passive crossover design and everything to do with installer error.