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jaross
02-09-2012, 05:00 PM
I listen to hip hop, jazz/vocal, rock, and electronic mostly. I have had a "15 rockford fosgate punch running with stock speakers in different cars, at one point with 2,000 watts going through it. I am over the ridiculous "disconnected" sounding bass that you get from a sub so I do not plan to run one. On top of that, I could use to save the space and weight. I am thinking that some hitting rear deck speakers should be plenty for me. I don't have any budget yet but I am thinking I would like to spend no more then $100 for all 4 speakers. I am thinking I will buy the rears first to save money.

My car has "4 in front and 4x10 in rear stock. I am told that 6x9s are an easy fit and maybe better then the 4x10s in the rear.

I just purchased this:
Sony DSX-S200X Digital media receiver at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_158DSX200X/Sony-DSX-S200X.html?tp=5684&nvpair=AG_Type%7cffDigital_Media_Receiver)

I also have an Eclipse 3650 amp, specs for which are:



5/4 channel power amp with channel flex crossover plus subsonic filter
40x4 at 4 ohm
120x1 at 4ohm
2ohm stable design
channel flex xover
Adjustable high-pass frequency (50-200hz for front)
high-pass frequency (120 for rear
Adjustable low-pass frequency (50-200hz for subwoofer)


The car is wired for an amp in the rear already, though the power wire is only like in between 1/4 and 1/2". I don't really want to put the effort into running wires back to the front from the amp so I was thinking of having the head unit power the 4" speakers in the front.
Can I bridge the Eclipse for 2 more powerful channels (*do I want to do such a thing?) to just power the rear speakers?

What speakers would you recommend that come in the sizes needed? I don't need anything super fancy. I don't want to spend a lot of money, but surely for $100 or less there should be something worth purchasing over the stock '80s speakers.

DoesDad
02-09-2012, 05:25 PM
I think if your sub sounds "disconnected" you're not doing something right. And what kind of Fosgate 15" were you running with 120 watts? A P1? I'd do your front stage speakers first. Screw the 4 x 10's for now. The front stage is mostly what you're hearing anyway.

itsblown
02-09-2012, 05:27 PM
ugh... for less than a hundred dollars for all 4 speakers you are better off leaving the stock in

jaross
02-09-2012, 05:33 PM
I think if your sub sounds "disconnected" you're not doing something right. And what kind of Fosgate 15" were you running with 120 watts? A P1? I'd do your front stage speakers first. Screw the 4 x 10's for now. The front stage is mostly what you're hearing anyway.


So, is it worth the effort to wire the amp (in the trunk) to the front speakers of can the headunit provide adequate power for the 4"s? Hows this:
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_065SE45/Boston-Acoustics-SE45.html?tp=102
or this http://www.crutchfield.com/p_500SPS410/Alpine-SPS-410.html?tp=102#customer-reviews-tab

disconnected as in a gap in the audio frequency range. the lows blew everything else away, and it sounded like the lows were coming from a different source (cause they were I suppose). I had the sub at a very low level when I was running only 120 watts through it. Just to add a small bit of kick to the stock speakers. Even with this, I don't like the idea of having the bass coming from a separate location with a separate power source. I am used to old school 2 channel home audio systems (which for the money I spend, I must say are very high quality vintage units).

Really, replace the 4" in front first? I was actually thinking of forgetting about them completely (not even hooking them up). Can one even get worth while sound out of a 4" speaker?

In any case, it looks like at this point I could do $100 for 2 speakers... the question is, what speakers???

itsblown
02-09-2012, 05:49 PM
Hmm yes there are 4 inch speakers out there when put into the car correctly (deadening, door work basically) will give you the sound you are probably looking for but depending on what kind of car you drive you should see if it is possible to maybe put a 5.25 up there

jaross
02-09-2012, 06:04 PM
I don't think bigger will fit. These any good? Newegg.com - Infinity Kappa 42.9i 4&#34 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA02D0849110) 150W 2 Way Car Audio Speakers

Is it worth it to wire the amp to the front for 4" speakers?

itsblown
02-10-2012, 04:38 PM
Those kapas will be decent for your budget they are pretty sensitive so they will get loud on less power. If you hook up just the rear speakers to the amp they will get louder than your fronts and it will not sound good

jaross
02-10-2012, 10:00 PM
can't I adjust the gain on the amp, and the fader presumably on my headunit?

skitzafit
02-10-2012, 10:03 PM
Aura 4000RPM 4" 2-way Coaxial Speaker Pair 269-178 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=269-178)

jaross
02-14-2012, 04:16 PM
apparently the rears are Kicker k410s. are these any good?

jaross
02-14-2012, 04:20 PM
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big_ol_meat
02-14-2012, 05:40 PM
If it means enough for your to ponder this on a forum maybe it means enough you could drop a little more money into it.

jaross
02-15-2012, 07:10 AM
I have home speaker that are worth maybe $200 but sound as good if not better then some $500-$1000 setups. I am of the belief that it can be done. They are vintage ADS speakers by the way...

keep_hope_alive
02-15-2012, 07:19 AM
the car audio bug bites again. from no hu and amp to an hu and amp. :)

given the year, anything you put in the car will sound better than stock.

front 4" and rear 4x10"? Saab does not like music reproduction. :(

i have the same recommendation for a budget 4" comp set
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/speakers/535666-4-speakers.html

just because people have gotten 6x9's to fit in the 4x10 hole doesn't mean you want to do it also - i.e. without airtight seals it doesn't help. start with the fronts and just run the kickers you have - you don't want to spend more than you have to.

browse Parts Express for some speakers to drop in - they are cheap but decent.


what makes a speaker sound good is a solid enclosure. your home speakers can easily sound good because airspace is controlled and your listening position can be ideal. a car is a tougher challenge. you certainly can buy raw drivers, passive crossovers, and piece together a budget system that sounds nice. it just requires more time/effort on your part - you trade money for time.

jaross
02-15-2012, 05:44 PM
I see I see. Well just dropped in the headunit. Really sounds pretty good. Apparently the fronts are Focal Access 100s which are pretty **** nice. Amazon.com: Focal Access 100 CA1 4-Inch Coaxial Speaker Kit: Car Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/Focal-Access-4-Inch-Coaxial-Speaker/dp/B000LPQ4OA)

should have looked first. Looks like I am already set. I am looking at "8 subs on parts express to be powered with the 120 watt sub channel from the amp. There is a dayton for like $30, and a wedge shaped enclosure from ebay for about $20. would this work okay for a little extra mid bass?

TheUnderFighter
02-15-2012, 05:52 PM
Indeed, if the sub did sound like it was coming from a different location and was overpowering your fronts, then you were doing it wrong. And it's strongly suggested to invest your time and money into the front-stage, because you can't really hear the rear speakers, and it sound stupid having the sound coming from behind you. Dayton makes fine subs, I'm sure you'll be pleased. There's a lot of quality low-powered options, so I think you'll be fine with any of those. And a sealed enclosure from wherever would likely be fine with that power. Just make sure you have adequate air-space.

keep_hope_alive
02-15-2012, 08:17 PM
I see I see. Well just dropped in the headunit. Really sounds pretty good. Apparently the fronts are Focal Access 100s which are pretty **** nice. Amazon.com: Focal Access 100 CA1 4-Inch Coaxial Speaker Kit: Car Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/Focal-Access-4-Inch-Coaxial-Speaker/dp/B000LPQ4OA)

should have looked first. Looks like I am already set. I am looking at "8 subs on parts express to be powered with the 120 watt sub channel from the amp. There is a dayton for like $30, and a wedge shaped enclosure from ebay for about $20. would this work okay for a little extra mid bass?

glad the car came with speakers already - saved you $$$

sure, that would work fine if properly placed in a corner. it would give you a nice midbass/bass bump without taking up a lot of space.

jaross
02-22-2012, 07:40 AM
Cool, setup sounds pretty good. People complain about the highs being too sharp and piercing with those Focals. I EQed the high end down a little and they sound great at high volume (obviously no bass tones). My old rockford fosgate punch 15" sounds pretty good hooked up to that amp even if it is only getting 120 watts. Just got all the parts for the Dayton 8". Do I want the Dayton wired as a 16 ohm or a 4 ohm? I am assuming 4.. Took a listen before mounting and whatnot. Not bad. Not as boomy as the R.F. but the mids are more pronounced and there is still enough boom for me. Too much low and not enough midbass was the problem before anyway. So for just about every application aside from when it's 420 time and I want to listen to Thievery Corporation, there is enough heavy bass for me. Anyone want my R.F?