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sundownz
01-27-2012, 02:19 PM
I'm working on alot of stuff right now... I am not 100% sure how much will make it to the market by the end of this year but lets cover what is currently in the pipe-line :

1) Nightshade v.3 -- Already discussed on the forums a bit. This will be 15s and 18s only for a while -- maybe a few 12s for burp apps but NO TENS.

2) New Sundown baskets in 10/12/15 sizes. I can't show off the renderings yet until my ornamental patent application is in... but think at LEAST as much clearance as the "Eclipse" baskets AND even stronger. 18s will definitely not make it for 2012... but are on the road-map for 2013. This will allow me to make the NS v.3 in 12s for music applications. These will be used on everything larger than the SA line.

** -- With the baskets come all new spiders, cones, and surrounds. Some pretty sick stuff... you guys will like it.

3) Entirely new SAX / SAZ amp line... yes you read that correctly. I won't say any more yet until I get some prototypes :D Only the NS-1 isn't being re-vamped as it's already brand new and a separate line.

4) The elusive "X" line to go between the SA and Z lines (rated 1kw)... this will start to debut once the baskets are done. 12s first, then 15s, then 10s... not sure if all sizes will fit into 2012 yet or not but we will try! So yes our 1kw line will have huge spiders and tons of throw. And YES the X-8 is still in the works... it's just been a huge pain with the vendors but it's still on the table.

It's been a while since I made a "coming soon" thread... and you know how I like to keep you guys in the loop !

I'm sure I forgot a few things... but don't worry -- I will update along the way !

PS: The new baskets open up 4" coil designs with high excursion. Hmmmm... Wonder what that could mean for late 2012 to 2013 designs ?!

slammedincouch
01-27-2012, 02:21 PM
I could use some new amps in my car...

sacsking916
01-27-2012, 02:26 PM
doing big things in 2012 it seems Jacob. cant wait to see more on this stuff

dbjunior
01-27-2012, 04:37 PM
Can't wait might have to do a full system redo

sundownz
02-03-2012, 12:57 PM
2) New Sundown baskets in 10/12/15 sizes. I can't show off the renderings yet until my ornamental patent application is in... but think at LEAST as much clearance as the "Eclipse" baskets AND even stronger. 18s will definitely not make it for 2012... but are on the road-map for 2013. This will allow me to make the NS v.3 in 12s for music applications. These will be used on everything larger than the SA line.

** -- With the baskets come all new spiders, cones, and surrounds. Some pretty sick stuff... you guys will like it.

On this subject... I forgot to add that I am designing / tooling an adapter for the 18" 6-spoke to tide me over until our 18" tooling is done that will support the same spider size as our new 15" frame (257mm).

So we can start making even higher excursion 18s this year as well :D

05fronty
02-03-2012, 01:07 PM
hmmmmm interesting

sobe3yourself.
02-03-2012, 01:24 PM
i dont mind testing anything for you, especially if its a 4 chan amp. and i guess i can keep it too to test the longevity of it. and i can test that sax 10 too.

sundownz
02-07-2012, 11:18 AM
3) Entirely new SAX / SAZ amp line... yes you read that correctly. I won't say any more yet until I get some prototypes Only the NS-1 isn't being re-vamped as it's already brand new and a separate line.

Some info will appear shortly in the next week or two on the first two models that will be made for the new 2012 series!

sundownz
03-09-2012, 09:01 AM
2) New Sundown baskets in 10/12/15 sizes. I can't show off the renderings yet until my ornamental patent application is in... but think at LEAST as much clearance as the "Eclipse" baskets AND even stronger. 18s will definitely not make it for 2012... but are on the road-map for 2013. This will allow me to make the NS v.3 in 12s for music applications. These will be used on everything larger than the SA line.

** -- With the baskets come all new spiders, cones, and surrounds. Some pretty sick stuff... you guys will like it.

Making alot of progress on the frames. All the final renderings and technical drawings and done for them -- I've submitted them to my patent attorney to be drafted up for the patent application.

Once the attorney gives me the okay to show them off we'll get some previews of them posted!

I've been doing brain-storming on the cones / surrounds... based on what the current Z v.3 spiders are capable of we'll probably need a HUGE surround to handle the throw these will be capable of. Probably along the lines of the Earthquake Holee-S surround (which is 40mm x 40mm) or maybe a bit larger.

Mitch86
03-09-2012, 09:08 AM
Making alot of progress on the frames. All the final renderings and technical drawings and done for them -- I've submitted them to my patent attorney to be drafted up for the patent application.

Once the attorney gives me the okay to show them off we'll get some previews of them posted!

I've been doing brain-storming on the cones / surrounds... based on what the current Z v.3 spiders are capable of we'll probably need a HUGE surround to handle the throw these will be capable of. Probably along the lines of the Earthquake Holee-S surround (which is 40mm x 40mm) or maybe a bit larger.

Huge surrounds are ****. Sounds like you're conjuring up some beasts!

Renzone3
03-09-2012, 09:25 AM
I'm curious about the "x" line of the subwoofers.Are they gonna be more SPL,SQ,Or SQL oriented??

sundownz
03-09-2012, 09:29 AM
I'm curious about the "x" line of the subwoofers.Are they gonna be more SPL,SQ,Or SQL oriented??

A good mix... basically like the SA and Z v.3 lines -- just think in between those two in terms of capability.

Renzone3
03-09-2012, 09:37 AM
Nice,can't wait to see them:D

hispls
03-09-2012, 09:44 AM
Hopefully you don't switch sources for softparts. They have been excellent in the past and I know a lot of other brands have taken huge performance hits when switching parts suppliers.

Speaking of which, we did up my friend's DC level 5 with that Nightshade recone and it is performing very very nicely.

sundownz
03-09-2012, 11:43 AM
Huge surrounds are ****. Sounds like you're conjuring up some beasts!

Indeed... and not just for the looks either. The new suspensions and motor designs I'm working on require it.

sundownz
03-09-2012, 11:44 AM
Hopefully you don't switch sources for softparts. They have been excellent in the past and I know a lot of other brands have taken huge performance hits when switching parts suppliers.

Speaking of which, we did up my friend's DC level 5 with that Nightshade recone and it is performing very very nicely.

I've been super pleased with the Z v.3 spider packs -- they'll get used more and more.

We'll still offer the Nightshade packs for SPL builds.

Cones we'll have to do all new due to the surround requirements.

sundownz
03-15-2012, 01:26 PM
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/MonsterProtov2/CIMG6122.JPG

NS v.3 spider packs are in... the spiders are like the Z v.3 units but with an extra layer -- and the 15/18 models have triple leads. These will be standard issue on NS v.3 and optional on other models. They are yellow to immediatly identify them as the NS stiffness pack (5 layers) as opposed to Z v.3 (4 layers). I may even bring in a 6 or 7 layer pack for dedicated SPL purposes. Currently we use NS v.1 / v.2 spiders for SPL purposes stacked to the appropriate level.

jaeguerra909
03-15-2012, 01:37 PM
Jacob will the ns1 ever be in stock with out having to preorder?

hispls
03-15-2012, 02:11 PM
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/MonsterProtov2/CIMG6122.JPG


http://files.sharenator.com/memes_joseph_ducreux_just_got_real_Memebase_43-s500x657-186382.jpg

sundownz
03-15-2012, 04:47 PM
Jacob will the ns1 ever be in stock with out having to preorder?

At some point it will -- whenever we get less pre-orders than what we have coming :)

It took 3 runs on the 4500Ds to get caught up enough to have stock -- then we had stock until they were discontinued.

jaeguerra909
03-16-2012, 03:07 AM
Ok cool can't wait its my next sundown for sure lol all ready on my second sundown amp in 3 months want the ns1 all ready need more powaaaaaaaa

sundownz
03-22-2012, 10:04 AM
Sundown Nightshade v.2 18" with NS v.3 Spider Pack - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxdCetVtjZg)

NS v.2 with the new NS v.3 yellow spider pack in place. As is typical with our drivers they are designed to handle around the rated power in free air so the ratings are a "worst case" conservative rating. As you can see this pack has no issues with the 2500D and the measured FS is still 37 Hz with only about 4-5 minutes of play time on it.

Volvowith18psi
03-22-2012, 10:36 AM
**** it, and just as Im building a new, older system, you make new better things.... **** my life... O well.... Great Customer service btw...

groundpound4200
03-22-2012, 10:47 AM
The SAZ-4500D was discontinued?

sundownz
03-22-2012, 11:33 AM
The SAZ-4500D was discontinued?

Yes, it has been for some time now.

groundpound4200
03-22-2012, 11:38 AM
hmmm... any plans to fill the gap between the 3500 and the NS-1?

Full Tilt
03-22-2012, 11:41 AM
Sounds ****! Get those designs to the forums ASAP! :D

sundownz
03-22-2012, 11:47 AM
hmmm... any plans to fill the gap between the 3500 and the NS-1?

At some point in the future, yes, but it will be after the rest of the amp line re-launches.

05trailblazer
03-22-2012, 11:56 AM
maybe there will be something bigger than the ns-1 that will do like 15k+ who knows...

SourDeez
03-22-2012, 12:55 PM
Sundown Nightshade v.2 18" with NS v.3 Spider Pack - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxdCetVtjZg)

NS v.2 with the new NS v.3 yellow spider pack in place. As is typical with our drivers they are designed to handle around the rated power in free air so the ratings are a "worst case" conservative rating. As you can see this pack has no issues with the 2500D and the measured FS is still 37 Hz with only about 4-5 minutes of play time on it.

Jezuz... Sounds like a motorcycle

sundownz
03-22-2012, 01:19 PM
Haha, yah, that test track sounds pretty neat :) I like it as it has a very broad range of frequencies.

SourDeez
03-22-2012, 01:33 PM
Haha, yah, that test track sounds pretty neat :) I like it as it has a very broad range of frequencies.

Totally.. You have one of the best jobs in the world.. just messin with woofers all day.

jaeguerra909
03-25-2012, 07:58 PM
I was guessing Jacob would be shooting some where around the 10k on their next line of amp

sundownz
03-28-2012, 04:31 PM
I did get some sketches done of our proprietary 18" frame... which will be the very last one done likely towards the middle of 2013. The frame itself measures about 10.5" deep and supports 6" of p-p excursion. That is all the details on it for now =) Expect some more information on the 10/12/15 models in the next month or so.

05fronty
03-28-2012, 05:01 PM
hmmm may have to trade up on a new 18

sundownz
04-05-2012, 08:57 PM
3) Entirely new SAX / SAZ amp line... yes you read that correctly. I won't say any more yet until I get some prototypes :D Only the NS-1 isn't being re-vamped as it's already brand new and a separate line.


This has taken slightly longer than I hoped but I should have the first two new amps ready to test in a few weeks as the board are pretty much ready and just need the case tooling to get mounted in.

SAZ-1500D v.3
SAX-125.4

The 100.4 part is no more -- this unit is a good bit more powerful. I'll leave the rest of the details as a surprise :thumbsup:

Next up once those launch will be the SAZ-2500D v.2 and SAZ-3500D v.2 models... and finally we'll release a new SAX two channel likely in the 150-watt or so range this time around!

Once that is all done we can get cracking on the SAE amp line again.

Dirtrider4eva
04-05-2012, 09:00 PM
just curious, but do you plan on doing any amps that make power at 2 ohms? ive always wanted to fiddle with a sundown amp, but run a D1, and .5 on my electrical in class wouldnt suffice.

jaeguerra909
04-18-2012, 02:57 PM
When will the new 4 channel be released I've been trying to get a new 100.4 but every where is.sold out I need it by May 6th :(