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myjaja
01-23-2012, 02:04 PM
What would be the better way when gluing the wood together. Gluing the wood together with liquid nails then making pre-holes and drilling screws into the wood or drilling the screws into the wood then gluing the sides of the box?

Ive seen it done both ways.

ahole-ic
01-23-2012, 02:06 PM
Liquid nails isn't as strong as wood glue.

Kangaroux
01-23-2012, 02:08 PM
Predrill, countersink, glue, clamp, screw. I put on liquid nails as I assemble the box just to make sure everything is sealed.

myjaja
01-23-2012, 02:18 PM
Predrill, countersink, glue, clamp, screw. I put on liquid nails as I assemble the box just to make sure everything is sealed.

I dont have a clamp, you think I can get by without it? Like if I predrill, glue, then screw while having another person hold it together as I drill?

kushy_dreams
01-23-2012, 02:31 PM
If you use screws, you can get away without using the clamps, but clamps are still nice to have anyway. You can get a pair of 4ft clamps from Harbor Freight for bout $25.

Just be sure to predrill and countersink the holes and go at least 1inch in from the corners or you'll risk splitting.

jeremyg1
01-23-2012, 02:34 PM
I usually predrill and countersink the top board, add glue to the panel I am attaching, secure it with a 90 degree clamp, extend my predrilled holes into that board, then screw and clamp.

90 degree clamp:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31HMMRPZ42L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

pro-rabbit
01-23-2012, 02:35 PM
If you do not have clamps then you have use some type of force to hold it together while the glue sets. Screws will work and is done all the time.

Make sure when you glue the pieces together that you are not just tossing a bead down. It is better to smear it around a bit and get an even coat where the wood will meet.

jeremyg1
01-23-2012, 02:35 PM
go at least 1inch in from the corners or you'll risk splitting.

This^^^^

Kangaroux
01-23-2012, 02:36 PM
If you use screws, you can get away without using the clamps, but clamps are still nice to have anyway. You can get a pair of 4ft clamps from Harbor Freight for bout $25.

Just be sure to predrill and countersink the holes and go at least 1inch in from the corners or you'll risk splitting.

This, and when you drill it in especially on a corner apply plenty of vertical pressure to the drill and drill in quickly. If you haven't already, you may want to play around with different sized drill bits until you find one that gives you plenty of strength and doesn't split the wood. The one I use is around 1/16" in diameter

kushy_dreams
01-23-2012, 02:41 PM
I forget the size of the bit I use but its a bit and a countersink all in one. I think its called a Screwmate and is made by Stanley. They are kind of hard to find but you can find them at specialty tool shops. The design has been changed/cheapend over the years, so there are some well made ones and cheapass ones, be sure to compare so you arent buying junk.

disturbed471985
01-23-2012, 02:46 PM
Go to HF and buy some clamps they are like $3 -$8 bucks depending on the size u want. They are not the best but they will get the job done plus its always nice to have some for ur next box. Just an example - 12" Quick Release Bar Clamp (http://www.harborfreight.com/12-inch-bar-clamp-96214.html) 18" Quick Release Bar Clamp (http://www.harborfreight.com/18-inch-bar-clamp-96211.html) http://www.harborfreight.com/24-inch-bar-clamp-96213.html

sacsking916
01-23-2012, 02:55 PM
you could do like someone else did, and use liquid nails and wood glue ha ha. little excessive IMO but it gets the job done. i didnt use any clamps on my box. just countersunk. glue then screw.

on1wheel01
01-23-2012, 03:11 PM
I use tite bond 2 and screws and also clamps. I have around 20 clamps but need more. Current box im building is 41w by 40 deep and I dont have nearly enough clapms for this so screw come in handy. I also use caulk for the inside seams for sealant. Liquid nails can harden and crack so it isint the best sealer

dbeez
01-23-2012, 03:13 PM
3/32 drill bit for the pre drill

slim2fattycake
01-23-2012, 03:18 PM
dont buy any plastic clamps if you do buy clamps. they are complete ****.

pro-rabbit
01-23-2012, 03:21 PM
dont buy any plastic clamps if you do buy clamps. they are complete ****.

This, and they don't really allow for enough clamping force.

I have some laying around, but they are used for mock up of various things then anything.

galacticmonkey
01-23-2012, 03:38 PM
Ive used both Gorilla Glue, Liquid Nails, and a bunch of different types of wood glue, such as Elmers and Tite Bond. The wood glues are definitely the way to go for wood.

If its something really small, like a single 10 sealed on low power, you can get away with Liquid Nails as long as you screw it together nice and tight, but its still better to use wood glue in any application.

Tite Bond II (maybe III, I dont remember, maybe someone else does) was the best glue IMO. All the wood glues stick the same from what Ive seen, but it was either the II or III that was thicker, so it wasnt as runny which was nice.

Either use a nail/staple gun and clamps or screw it together. When screwing it together, its still easier to use corner clamps just to make sure the corners come together and dont push apart when you screw it together. I bought a pair and just use them to hold it together when Im putting the screws in, then take them off and move to the next one since the screws hold it together to dry.

When youre all done, unless your cuts are absolutely perfect and assembly is absolutely flawless, its always good to take a little bead of some silicone or Liquid Nails and smear it in all the joints to make sure its sealed.

thehardknoxlife
01-23-2012, 04:00 PM
If anyone does buy some clamps from HF, don't buy this kind (http://www.harborfreight.com/24-inch-ratchet-bar-clamp-spreader-46809.html). The price makes them appealing, sure. They are plastic and break very very easily. They don't have much clamping force either and will slowly slip. This kind (http://www.harborfreight.com/18-inch-bar-clamp-96211.html) is much better and more durable. Although the clamping force can be troublesome if you can't turn the handle enough. I suggest these (http://www.harborfreight.com/58-1-4-quarter-inch-aluminum-f-style-bar-clamp-92490.html). The jaws don't extend that far on the smaller version, but won't be a problem for box building. Clamping force isn't a concern either thanks to the handle desin. You could always buy a couple of pipe clamps (http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-inch-pipe-clamp-3813.html) as well. Which is the best choice if you plan on making multiple boxes. You can make them any length you want, just have to buy some threaded pipe.

slim2fattycake
01-23-2012, 04:01 PM
Tite Bond III is just water resistant. Bond II is the best without the need of water resistant.

Also the tite bond glues are runny. This is better because it will seam through little spots to get good cohesion unlike liquid nail.

kushy_dreams
01-23-2012, 04:08 PM
Pipe clamps are the way to go, you can buy the end kits from Harbor Freight then goto Home Depot/Lowes to get 3/4 threaded pipe in 3-4ft lengths for $10-12 IIRC.

thehardknoxlife
01-23-2012, 04:13 PM
Liquid nails won't hold anything. It's a construction adhesive. You can simply pry the wood apart and scrap the glue off. Wood glue will bond the two together. You can't pry the wood apart without damaging the wood. You can actually make a box using nothing but wood glue and clamps. Simple test. Make two crosses with some 2"x4"s 1' long. One with wood glue in the center about the size of a quarter, one with liquid nails in the center same amount. Clamp, wait 24hrs (liquid nails takes forever to fully cure). Take 2 center blocks place the cross on them so you can stand on it. See which one you can stand on without the glue failing.