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sussD01
12-20-2011, 02:50 PM
Hey guys, I joined this forum a little while back to ask about my Memphis 6x9s and got some great advice. I'm getting a new truck in a few months though and will be giving my old setup to the wife so I can take a step up in the new ride. I'm off to Fort Benning in a couple months and I'm looking to get this done soon before I head off for training.

A little while after I bought my old system I heard the Focals in the shop and fell in love. Now that I'm shopping for my next speakers, I just need to figure out now which set works for me. I listened in store the other day and have basically 3 options:

165KRC, 165VB, and 165KR2/KRX2

I understand that the KRC is a coax and the VB and KR2s are comps, but based on my listening preferences I'm not sure which one works best for me. I'm all about sound quality, but I've stayed away from components in the past because tweeters generally make my ears bleed and I love me some deep bass. I've always had a 15" sub in the trunk and gotta have bass--I'll be getting a Ram 1500 Quad Cab though, so I'll probably switch over to a couple 10s on the subwoofer side.

Basically I realize that the KR2s are the highest end of these three, but I'm afraid the tweeter being too piercing for my ears. With the KRC being a coax higher up on the food chain than the VB component, between those two would it be best to go with the lower end component over the higher end coax?

It isn't that money is no object, but I want something that I won't want to upgrade a few years from now and that I can be happy with for the next decade or so. With the setup right now (if I only go with one 10") sub I'm planning on running a JL HD 900x5 to the speakers and sub.

Any thoughts on these speakers (and tweeters)? Thanks in advance for the help.

Suss

Why So Cereal?
12-20-2011, 04:41 PM
your aiming/placement and EQ settings will determine how "harsh" the tweeters are. So, dont let that be your determining factor in coax vs component. The install will really determine how the entire set sounds regardless of what you buy. That being said, comp sets typically allow for more install options thus allowing you to more tailor your sound to your personal preferences, but, thats not to say coaxials cant sound good but typically require more work to get as good a sound stage as comps.

IMO, go with whichever set sounds best to your ears and ,from there, work on your install to get the sound you're after.

wenn_du_weinst
12-20-2011, 04:44 PM
focal tweeters are much brighter then other softer domed tweeters, you can eq it out ect. but it is still that way

Joseph7195
12-20-2011, 04:47 PM
Hey Man, welcome back to the forum! Congrats on your new Ram. I have a Ram Quad cab and I love it dearly (except the gas mileage, lol). There are many many people on here that can help you, cause I think you can get what you would like to accomplish. You gave a lot of information, you mind if i ask you a couple more question?

What year model Ram?
Are you gonna be keeping the stock head unit?
Will you be doing any door reinforcing or sound deadening to the truck?
Are you gonna run 4 speakers and a sub or 2 front speakers and a sub?

There are probably a couple more questions others might want to ask just to cover everything, but I don't think you should have a problem getting what you want!

ciaonzo
12-20-2011, 05:27 PM
If you get things figured out and think that these might work for you, I have the midbass drivers from this set. WoofersEtc.com - 165VR - Focal 6.5" Polyglass Component Speakers (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-6055-165vr-focal-65-polyglass-component-speakers.aspx)

I don't need them for anything so maybe you can put them to use. Shoot me a PM if you want.

sussD01
12-20-2011, 06:42 PM
Hey Man, welcome back to the forum! Congrats on your new Ram. I have a Ram Quad cab and I love it dearly (except the gas mileage, lol). There are many many people on here that can help you, cause I think you can get what you would like to accomplish. You gave a lot of information, you mind if i ask you a couple more question?

What year model Ram?
Are you gonna be keeping the stock head unit?
Will you be doing any door reinforcing or sound deadening to the truck?
Are you gonna run 4 speakers and a sub or 2 front speakers and a sub?

There are probably a couple more questions others might want to ask just to cover everything, but I don't think you should have a problem getting what you want!

Thanks everybody for the quick responses!

Joseph,

-I'm looking at the 2012 Ram 1500, but if the dealership happens to come up with a well-priced 2011, then I might snatch that up instead.

-The guy I spoke to at the shop convinced me to keep the stock HU, which I actually thought was a decent idea so long as I throw a good amp in there.

-I would imagine they would put in some door deadening, but it didn't come up the other day. Is that a no question sort of move?

-The shop also suggested I just go with the 2 front speaker 6.5s and then sub(s) in the back.

Does that help narrow anything down?

WENN_DU_WEINST and PRINC3CMO,

That's what I've been reading about the Focals in general, hence why I was actually leaning toward the coaxials to take the emphasis off of the tweeters. When I got my Memphis 6x9s I had a problem with them sounding pretty bright, and then found out that the amp was just tuned that way. I've had no problems on the install with my shop in the slightest, but I don't have too much knowledge on tuning amps and tweaking settings to sounds how it should. I'm worried that if I get the high speed setup and don't know how to properly tune it to get the tweeters toned down, that I'd be wasting my money. If the shop doesn't set the speakers how I like it, what's the learning curve like on tweaking things to my liking?

CIAONZO,

That might actually help trim the cost for me and give me a little more breathing room for a custom sub setup in the back. Will PM you.

Joseph7195
12-20-2011, 07:57 PM
Thanks everybody for the quick responses!

Joseph,

-I'm looking at the 2012 Ram 1500, but if the dealership happens to come up with a well-priced 2011, then I might snatch that up instead.

-The guy I spoke to at the shop convinced me to keep the stock HU, which I actually thought was a decent idea so long as I throw a good amp in there.

-I would imagine they would put in some door deadening, but it didn't come up the other day. Is that a no question sort of move?

-The shop also suggested I just go with the 2 front speaker 6.5s and then sub(s) in the back.

Does that help narrow anything down?

WENN_DU_WEINST and PRINC3CMO,

That's what I've been reading about the Focals in general, hence why I was actually leaning toward the coaxials to take the emphasis off of the tweeters. When I got my Memphis 6x9s I had a problem with them sounding pretty bright, and then found out that the amp was just tuned that way. I've had no problems on the install with my shop in the slightest, but I don't have too much knowledge on tuning amps and tweaking settings to sounds how it should. I'm worried that if I get the high speed setup and don't know how to properly tune it to get the tweeters toned down, that I'd be wasting my money. If the shop doesn't set the speakers how I like it, what's the learning curve like on tweaking things to my liking?

CIAONZO,

That might actually help trim the cost for me and give me a little more breathing room for a custom sub setup in the back. Will PM you.

Sure, when it comes to setups, it's usually not what can be done, only how you want. :) I am not too sure on deadening for the doors. If it comes with something factory, I can almost guarantee it's not gonna be of high quality. If you only want to go with a front stage it's up to you. Look at all options, like whether you will have passengers in the back, a dvd player that might need them, or kids that might want to hear something besides what you are listening to. My HU has 2 zones, I can listen to metallica in the front and my son can listen to "Wheels on the Bus" in the back. It's an option that's up to you.

Make sure you research your local shop. I would start here and do a search and maybe you can get a better idea on whether it's gonna cost an arm and a leg, or whether they are more willing to work with you. I think Mast240 has a shop in Tampa, and he is on here all the time. I would trust him to do you correct. Other than that, just be informed before you head into the shop, this will better protect you later!

Why So Cereal?
12-21-2011, 09:17 AM
simply put, when you have them install the tweeters, see if you can sit in the car and have them aim the tweeters in different directions and see which sounds best. Its different for every car and every listener. Explain your concerns to the installer as well. The last shop I went to that sold Focal was actually pretty decent and knew a good bit about install making or breaking your sound.

As far as deadener goes, typically the main thing you'll need to do is seal up those holes in the door panel to control the backwave, eliminate cancellation, and get stronger midbass with cleaner midrange.

sussD01
12-22-2011, 08:14 AM
Thanks for the advice, brother--I'll definitely make sure they get the deadener in the doors. I'll drop in again soon and with whatever else I come up with as far as the speakers go.

I appreciate all the help and advice.

whitedragon551
12-22-2011, 08:19 AM
Another thing you can do is switch the polarity on the tweeters as well. That will help tame them in some instances.

sussD01
12-24-2011, 09:23 AM
Alright, so I've come to a change of direction in the past couple days. I realized that I'd rather spend a little more on the subs/custom enclosure and not as much as I originally planned on the components ($1200).

I started looking at Hertz and some other brands as well. Any comps in particular that you guys have a preference for in the $500-$600 range?

Why So Cereal?
12-24-2011, 09:50 AM
Boston SPZ60 gets my vote
Also the Hertz Mille (not sure on their price though)
Hybrid Audio and Morel.....JL ZR650 all options to look into.

If you're dropping that much coin you're probably gonna wanna listen to some b4 u buy though.
Sometimes higher line speakers tend to be overpriced and overrated on the forums, sometimes you can get the same performance for cheaper.

TaylorFade
12-24-2011, 10:06 AM
I can't give you much advice onthe super high end stuff because I just never shop in that range, but if you go coax, look at the Hybrid Imagines. Or just Hybrid in general.

If you go comps, keep in mind that most good crossovers will have tweeter attentuation. Mine, for example have 5 different settings. If level 2 is too bright or harsh, all I have to do is move a jumper to attentuate them. As it was mentioned, tweeter placement and direction will play a huge role in the sound so if at all possible, audition a couple different locations.

Comps vs. coax is an age old debate, but it boils down to getting the best soundstage that you can and coax will limit you there. Tweeters are almost solely responsible for stage height and having them braxially or coaxially mounted limits that. If your tweets are in the doors with the mid, that's where your sound stage is going to be. Low. I also personally feel that a lot of detail gets lost having tweeters off axis. Especially down low where a lot of high frequency information is going to be absorbed by the carpet, your legs, etc.

VWBobby
12-24-2011, 10:34 AM
I heard the Focal speakers you are talking about and know why you fell in love. :) They are pure *** to the ears.....

I agree, the Hybrid Imagine or Lagatia series would be good. Hybrid Audio Legatia Series Speaker Systems (http://store.12velectronics.com/categories/Hybrid-Audio-Technologies/Legatia/)
Morel might be something to look into also.
TC Sounds, Dayton, RE Audio for SQ subs.

sussD01
12-25-2011, 08:48 AM
Thanks for the speaker recs guys. I'm by no means saying I need to drop that much cash if there are better or comprable sets out there for the price, I just figured that to get something that sounds high end, I would need to do high end spending. I'll see what I can find around here in those brands that can be auditioned. As far as the coax v component, I'm coming from a car with four memphis m-class coaxials and everyone I speak to tells me for a serious system (especially as this is going to be one that I don't want to upgrade for a few years), that I've got to go with components.

zako
12-25-2011, 05:23 PM
Focal Polyglass V30 speakers can often bought locally for under $400. Based on reviews, these are great speakers, specially if you want to run them in passive mode, because the crossovers have some unusual options for setup.

If you want coaxial speakers, Hybrid Audio Imagine are great as long as tweeter are not aiming directly at your ears. Most factory locations are probably fine. To run in component mode, I'd prefer to use them with active crossover as the stock crossover is quite primitive, or perhaps use HAT Unity which come with a better passive crossover box.

da0s44
12-25-2011, 08:46 PM
I just (today) purchased a set of Focal 165 K2P's and a set of the same K2P in a 5.25" set. After purchasing them I realized I can only use the 165 6.5" set so oh well. But anyways these Focals are IMO the best sounding speakers I have ever heard. Hands down. I currently have the kicker qs 65.2 in my Sequoia and these Focals blow them out the water. I have them installed on axis in kick panels with 150 watts going to each side in a passive setup. Active is too much hassle for me these days.

I say go with what your ears say regardless the cost. You gonna end up buying the ones you really want sooner or later. Mind as well get them now and enjoy them.

Good luck.

sussD01
01-04-2012, 02:29 PM
UPDATE:

I checked out the Hertz line at another local shop yesterday and was blown away by them. They didn't have that super bright ear-splitting Focal sound I heard at the first shop. Everybody's ears are different, and the HSK165XL just sang to me. Planning on throwing a couple 12s in the back and powering it all with the new MMATS hifi 6150!

Thanks again for the help guys.

Suss