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Why So Cereal?
11-29-2011, 11:45 PM
Setup is in my sig. Recently put those Pioneers in as midbass and fed em 125wrms each and they POUND! now i want moar!!! :up2somet:

can someone recommend a pair of 8" midbass drivers that can be had for 200 or less.

will be playing no higher than 350hz and want them to play low enough to make me forget a sub :)
like stated, I have 125wrms on tap for either 2 or 4 ohm midbass drivers.

cant do the Peerless SLS cuz its 8ohm :crap:
Looked at The dayton RS225 but ppl over on diyma said its not well suited for IB in car doors. So i need something that will work IB (high QTS)

keep in mind this build is more SQ oriented than SPL!!!

basscort2009
11-29-2011, 11:47 PM
crossfire xs mids that just came out. the 8 is freaking insane on the midbass.

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Crossfire XS M8 8" Hi-Output Mid-Bass Driver Loudspeaker (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_36212_Crossfire-XS-M8.html)

Why So Cereal?
11-29-2011, 11:50 PM
freq response only down to 65hz??? :crap: Drop it down lowaaah!

basscort2009
11-29-2011, 11:58 PM
its got punchy output. u want low end output out of mids? i wish i could demo my crossfire xs 6.5s u would be amazed at the midbass output. im telling u they get down low for mids and are very punchy. they beat out my silver flutes on midbass

basscort2009
11-29-2011, 11:59 PM
Silver Flute W17RC38-04 ohm 6-1/2" Wool Cone: Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/silver-flute-woofers-6-7/silver-flute-w17rc38-04-ohm-6-1/2-wool-cone/)

and the flutes had a fs of 37. specs arent everything sometimes

Dirtrider4eva
11-30-2011, 12:01 AM
ah...
i have a RE RE8 older moder, eta '06 D4, and a pair of aura NS6 4 ohm mids..the Ns6 are great from 80hz with a flat response.
the RE 8 can dig the lows. combined itd be a pretty **** good system. and id do a great deal on it all... PM me if you want.

disturbed471985
11-30-2011, 12:01 AM
Goldwood GW-8024 8" woofer - 4 ohm: Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/goldwood-gw-8024-8-woofer-4-ohm/)

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 12:11 AM
its got punchy output. u want low end output out of mids? i wish i could demo my crossfire xs 6.5s u would be amazed at the midbass output. im telling u they get down low for mids and are very punchy. they beat out my silver flutes on midbass

my Pioneers midbasses are punchy though but with the power I'm pushing to em if I'm really cranking it, they dont like to be crossed below 63hz which is **** good for 6.5s. But I'm looking to find an 8 that will go even lower.

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ah...
i have a RE RE8 older moder, eta '06 D4, and a pair of aura NS6 4 ohm mids..the Ns6 are great from 80hz with a flat response.
the RE 8 can dig the lows. combined itd be a pretty **** good system. and id do a great deal on it all... PM me if you want.

i wouldnt need the NS6, already have midrange covered. But do you have any specs on thsoe RE8s?

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Silver Flute W17RC38-04 ohm 6-1/2" Wool Cone: Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/silver-flute-woofers-6-7/silver-flute-w17rc38-04-ohm-6-1/2-wool-cone/)

and the flutes had a fs of 37. specs arent everything sometimes

I thought about those too but if I'm gonna do the extra work to make deeper 6.5s fit I might as well just do 8s

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Goldwood GW-8024 8" woofer - 4 ohm: Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/goldwood-gw-8024-8-woofer-4-ohm/)

i see those Goldwoods all the time but never hear anything about them on any forums.....are they any good?? any experience with em?

audiobaun
11-30-2011, 12:15 AM
Precision Power PM.804NX at Sonic electronix:D

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 12:17 AM
Precision Power PM.804NX at Sonic electronix:D

135hz lowest freq response?? :nono:

disturbed471985
11-30-2011, 12:17 AM
its got punchy output. u want low end output out of mids? i wish i could demo my crossfire xs 6.5s u would be amazed at the midbass output. im telling u they get down low for mids and are very punchy. they beat out my silver flutes on midbass

Dnt u ever bad mouth my silvers.... I am liking the looks of the xs plus they are cheap enough to try out and if they **** your out almost nothing.

disturbed471985
11-30-2011, 12:18 AM
my Pioneers midbasses are punchy though but with the power I'm pushing to em if I'm really cranking it, they dont like to be crossed below 63hz which is **** good for 6.5s. But I'm looking to find an 8 that will go even lower.

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i wouldnt need the NS6, already have midrange covered. But do you have any specs on thsoe RE8s?

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I thought about those too but if I'm gonna do the extra work to make deeper 6.5s fit I might as well just do 8s

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i see those Goldwoods all the time but never hear anything about them on any forums.....are they any good?? any experience with em?

I myself have never had the chance to hear them but they are cheap just buy 1 and see how it goes.

basscort2009
11-30-2011, 12:20 AM
didnt badmouth good sir. thats like comparing kimbo slice and chuck liddel. chuck is clearly better but would u wanna get hit by either? no sir... NO SIR!

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 12:21 AM
I myself have never had the chance to hear them but they are cheap just buy 1 and see how it goes.

I may try that.....

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 12:24 AM
didnt badmouth good sir. thats like comparing kimbo slice and chuck liddel. chuck is clearly better but would u wanna get hit by either? no sir... NO SIR!

Kimbo is slow though. his punches take FOREVER!

disturbed471985
11-30-2011, 12:25 AM
didnt badmouth good sir. thats like comparing kimbo slice and chuck liddel. chuck is clearly better but would u wanna get hit by either? no sir... NO SIR!


LOL I was bsing with you. I am going to give those xs a try and do a side by side and see who the winner is for my application. They are to cheap not to buy. Hell no one ever even heard of flutes then I took a chance and got them next thing ya know boom e1 has them. May be a gem just like the flutes were.

audiobaun
11-30-2011, 12:28 AM
Planet audio PLPC8.8 at Onlinecarstereo.com:D

TheUnderFighter
11-30-2011, 12:32 AM
Sundown Neo-pro 8's? Used, B-Stock, Refurbished Amps, and MISC - SSA Car Audio Forum (http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/topic/10634-used-b-stock-refurbished-amps-and-misc/) $80 shipped each. Not sure on any specs of them, just throwing it out there as something to think about.

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 12:34 AM
Sundown Neo-pro 8's? Used, B-Stock, Refurbished Amps, and MISC - SSA Car Audio Forum (http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/topic/10634-used-b-stock-refurbished-amps-and-misc/) $80 shipped each. Not sure on any specs of them, just throwing it out there as something to think about.

thought about those but IIRC theyre 8 ohm :(

disturbed471985
11-30-2011, 12:38 AM
yep they are just buy 2 sets and now u got a 4ohm load

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 12:39 AM
yep they are just buy 2 sets and now u got a 4ohm load

with not enough power for any of em and a random set sitting on my floor since they wont both fit in my install lol :emb:

disturbed471985
11-30-2011, 12:41 AM
Give the golds a try just grab one that way if they are not for u then ur out $25 and can prob turn and flip to make at least half that back so in the end if u hate them your out 15bucks

TheUnderFighter
11-30-2011, 12:45 AM
thought about those but IIRC theyre 8 ohm :(

Oh bummer you're right >.<
I'd do what disturbed said, give one of those goldwoods a shot.

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 12:46 AM
ive still gotta build for em anyway so i have time to decide on a driver. I'm gonna build to handle up to 4" depth so I should be fine with whatever i choose. if i do try the golds I'll just get em from pe and take advantage of the 45 day money back guarantee.

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 12:52 AM
Hi-Vi M8a, 8" Alloy Cone Woofer: Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/hi-vi-m8a-8-alloy-cone-woofer/)

Peerless Nomex 830869 - 8" Nomex Cone Woofer: Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/peerless-nomex-830869-8-nomex-cone-woofer/)

any thoughts on these?

TheUnderFighter
11-30-2011, 01:05 AM
Well they're both 8 ohms? haha. Those Crossfire's and Silverflukes listed earlier both looked good though. I'm also in the process of finding a good midbass at 6.5" though.

audiobaun
11-30-2011, 01:06 AM
HI-VI looks pretty darn good man:boink:

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 01:09 AM
Well they're both 8 ohms? haha. Those Crossfire's and Silverflukes listed earlier both looked good though. I'm also in the process of finding a good midbass at 6.5" though.

fvck! lol I like the Silver Flutes but the QTS is pretty low so idk how the midbass will be IB in a car door.

for a good 6.5 midbass, I hear good things about the Peerless SLS. as for me I run the midbass out of the Pioneer TS D1720c set with 125rms to each mid from 350hz down and they pound and are very tight! I'd recommend em. also shallow only 2.5mounting depth.

VWBobby
11-30-2011, 01:09 AM
The Goldwood speaker fits your specs pretty well. High QTS, 4 ohm, etc. But, it does have a weak motor (low BL). I'm using the Aura NS8's. Technically, they're better suited to a ported or bandpass box, but I'm running them sealed up in doors. They have neo motors too, all for $19.50 :)
Aurasound NS8-385-4A 8" Woofer: Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/aurasound-ns8-385-4a-8-woofer/)

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 01:12 AM
The Goldwood speaker fits your specs pretty well. High QTS, 4 ohm, etc. But, it does have a weak motor (low BL). I'm using the Aura NS8's. Technically, they're better suited to a ported or bandpass box, but I'm running them sealed up in doors. They have neo motors too, all for $19.50 :)
Aurasound NS8-385-4A 8" Woofer: Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/aurasound-ns8-385-4a-8-woofer/)

from some quick diyma reviews i looked over, they arent really suited for dedicated midbass so dont really seem to be what I need. They said the midrange was good....but thats useless to me. I'm also seeing that they are pretty much just factory replacement drivers.....meh...

I looked into the NS8 but idk if it'll go any lower than my Pioneers now.

Phoenix Risen
11-30-2011, 01:16 AM
there are a few pretty nice 8" "subs" on parts express from tang and a few other companies that freq response is ~30-500 that my do the trick for what your wanting.

rodburner
11-30-2011, 01:28 AM
Kicker RMB8/4ohm?

Dirtrider4eva
11-30-2011, 01:30 AM
Mounting Depth - 4"
Mounting Hole Diameter - 7.125"
Overall Diameter - 8.25"
Bolt Hole Circle - 7.75"
Motor Width - 4.875"
Motor Depth - 1.5"
Basket Depth - 2.5"
Displacement - 0.07 cu. ft.
Electrical Q Value -Qes: 0.38
Mechanical Q Value -Qms: 4.21
Total Speaker Q Value -Qts: 0.34
Free Air Resonance -Fs: 22.8 Hz
Equivalent Compliance -Vas: 27.1 liters
One-Way, Linear Excursion -Xmax: 12 mm
Efficiency -SPL 1W/1m: 81.2 dB SPL
Effective Piston Area -Sd: 195 cm^2
DC Resistance -Re: 3.2 ohm
Nominal Impedance -Znom: Dual 4 ohm
Thermal Power Handling -Pe: 175 W
Force Factor -Bl: 15.4
re 8 specs easily handles 300...

Phoenix Risen
11-30-2011, 01:32 AM
^^^ hows the freq response on those.

disturbed471985
11-30-2011, 01:38 AM
fvck! lol I like the Silver Flutes but the QTS is pretty low so idk how the midbass will be IB in a car door.

for a good 6.5 midbass, I hear good things about the Peerless SLS. as for me I run the midbass out of the Pioneer TS D1720c set with 125rms to each mid from 350hz down and they pound and are very tight! I'd recommend em. also shallow only 2.5mounting depth.


Before i got my doors glassed I ran 1 set of Silvers IB on a ed9.2 and they destroyed my DDC6.5's that were big POS.

Dirtrider4eva
11-30-2011, 01:39 AM
Sounds great. Digs lows, good upper extension. My door speakrrs go down to 63, and the 8 pics up the slack. Got it on a jbl bp 300.1. Stout little amp great combo. Sealed.

DonH
11-30-2011, 01:43 AM
Before i got my doors glassed I ran 1 set of Silvers IB on a ed9.2 and they destroyed my DDC6.5's that were big POS.

clear your pm's man so i can reply! lol

RAM_Designs
11-30-2011, 02:01 AM
You want SQ? I have some Morel MW-267's that have never been used. Under 3" deep, neo motor, Fs in the 20's, and crazy low inductance and distortion...they are 8ohms though, but a cheap 4 channel to bridge is easy to come by.

BnGRacing
11-30-2011, 02:40 AM
I have some 8" JL Audio IB subs as well as old school ADS S7 woofers (have grills too!). The JLs are 8ohm and the ADS subs are 4ohm. No idea what the power handling is on the ADS stuff but the JLs are 'rated' at 75w. Makes you scratch your head when you see cheap 4" co-ax speakers rated the same.

Anyways, PM me for more details, pics, & prices.

disturbed471985
11-30-2011, 02:56 AM
You want SQ? I have some Morel MW-267's that have never been used. Under 3" deep, neo motor, Fs in the 20's, and crazy low inductance and distortion...they are 8ohms though, but a cheap 4 channel to bridge is easy to come by.

These are very nice speakers...

basscort2009
11-30-2011, 03:30 AM
i have had those peerless sls.... 2 6.5s per door and the flutes and crossfires 1 pair vs 2 pair beat the peerless. they **** for the price. point blank

zako
11-30-2011, 09:28 AM
One of the more recommended cheap midbasses on DIYMA is Peerless SLS. Here is one review, but I have seen some others as well. Peerless SLS 8" quick review - DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/member-reviews-product-comparisons/43235-peerless-sls-8-quick-review.html)

dontbeaprix
11-30-2011, 11:47 PM
Dayton Audio RS225-4 8" Reference Woofer 4 Ohm 295-376 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-376)
What about these?

Why So Cereal?
11-30-2011, 11:53 PM
Dayton Audio RS225-4 8" Reference Woofer 4 Ohm 295-376 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-376)
What about these?

ofcourse those were my first choice. I've gotta look at some more reviews though. from the ones I've seen so far, the Peerless ishes on it in low end extension and someone told me the Dayton is not good for IB. :( but I'm gonna ask around some more. theyre in my cart right now though just in case :)

Why So Cereal?
12-01-2011, 01:11 AM
read more reviews and seems the Dayton RS225 should work IB. also saw that the 8 ohm version will get a bit lower..... but if i run the 8 ohm ones I will only have about 60 rms to each driver....if i run the 4 ohm ones....I will have 120/125 on tap to each driver....


any thoughts here?

dontbeaprix
12-01-2011, 08:15 AM
Just run the 4 ohm ones, you have subs to get lower

whitedragon551
12-01-2011, 08:21 AM
freq response only down to 65hz??? :crap: Drop it down lowaaah!

You dont need much lower than that. Your subs should play 63Hz and under. With slope and roll off there wont be a gap between 63 and 65Hz.

Kangaroux
12-01-2011, 08:57 AM
You dont need much lower than that. Your subs should play 63Hz and under. With slope and roll off there wont be a gap between 63 and 65Hz.

Read the thread before you post...he wants to get rid of his sub and put in some midbasses that will play low enough

Why So Cereal?
12-01-2011, 10:07 AM
Read the thread before you post...he wants to get rid of his sub and put in some midbasses that will play low enough

Not get rid of completely. But want to be able to take them out on occasion and not miss so much in the music. I will still be keeping tthem though.

Why So Cereal?
12-01-2011, 10:14 AM
You dont need much lower than that. Your subs should play 63Hz and under. With slope and roll off there wont be a gap between 63 and 65Hz.

You're probably right. But the question is how well do they do down low? My pioneers claim to play down to 30hz wwhich they will....but it ain't too purty!
I'm crossed at 63hz now and it blends very well with my subs making me consider just letting it be. Either way, if I'm gonna do the extra to fit the 8s, I want it to be day and night from what I have now.

Jroo
12-01-2011, 11:23 AM
Helix E200 shallow 8" woofers

When you can find them, they fit your price point and are about 2" on depth with a high qt. A pair just left DIYMA for 175 shipped I think. Dual 4 ohm so you would have a 2 ohm load, which I think you want as well. If I can find a pair, I might try these in my doors. My other choice would be the Kicker RMB8 if you can find them and the person who has them isnt asking a crazy price. Again, set up for IB, really low depth, and 4 ohm.

whitedragon551
12-01-2011, 11:33 AM
You're probably right. But the question is how well do they do down low? My pioneers claim to play down to 30hz wwhich they will....but it ain't too purty!
I'm crossed at 63hz now and it blends very well with my subs making me consider just letting it be. Either way, if I'm gonna do the extra to fit the 8s, I want it to be day and night from what I have now.

Best way to dig deep with midbass is treat your door. Beyond that they are only designed to play midbass. If they were designed to dig deep like a subwoofer, they would be called a subwoofer.


Helix E200 shallow 8" woofers

When you can find them, they fit your price point and are about 2" on depth with a high qt. A pair just left DIYMA for 175 shipped I think. Dual 4 ohm so you would have a 2 ohm load, which I think you want as well. If I can find a pair, I might try these in my doors. My other choice would be the Kicker RMB8 if you can find them and the person who has them isnt asking a crazy price. Again, set up for IB, really low depth, and 4 ohm.

You cant run subs in your doors. It will cause nothing but issues.

Why So Cereal?
12-01-2011, 01:03 PM
Probably gonna build em in my kicks. And mass my floor to prevent vibrations.