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FLB.SPL.EVENTS
11-21-2011, 01:58 AM
JUST WANTED TO GET SOME INPUT FROM YOU GUYS ON HERE WHO LIKE TO COMPETE.



For the Love of Bass.

FLB SPL league is a new form of car audio competition that is to begin in 2012. This new format is to take all the pros and cons of all the other formats in existence today and combine them, along with new ideas to create a whole new breed of competing.

FLB was created to bring life back into the competition scene. To spark the interests not only in new competitors who have never been to a show, but bring back the men and woman who started these leagues many years ago. The ones who have lost interest in the sport. The ones who feel that the sport has died and that no one cares what they think, believe, or even care of in this great sport.

The reason for the name is just that. For the Love of Bass! For the ones who do it because they enjoy it, they take pride in not only their vehicle and system but each competitor they go up against. The ones that keep them on their toes and keep the challenge going. What's a competition without a challenge? What is a event without the suspense of the final outcome? Competing isn't just about winning, it's about the tiebreakers, and it's about losing too. Knowing that there is work to be done and things to improve on. Things that keep everyone doing what they Love.



Now for the really good part.


FLB was also created to give back. Give back to the ones who make it all happen. Without competitors there is no event to even take place. Without the competitors who put all the time and effort into their builds. FLB wants to be there for the ones who make it all happen, the ones who contribute the hours in drive time, set up, the event, tear down, and head home to start again for the very next show.


FLB is not only going to recognize their winners in points and in certificates and awards, but in CASH, yes Real Cash. The same thing you put into your build, and into the admissions to the events and everything along the way to be a competitor.


If you are a veteran competitor, look at all the trophies you have lined on shelves or in the garage or even shoved in boxes and put away.
Now besides the proof of winning, what does that tall weighted plastic do for you?
Does it buy the next battery to help power your setup?
Does it re-cone your subwoofers when they have reached their limits?
Do they help with fuel cost to get to the next show?

Now if you are new to the competition scene then this goes for you too. Think of all the time and money invested in your build. Now think of how great it would be to start winning money back to recover the investment you built. And continue a long and great contribution to a great sport.



The point to this is everyone loves to be awarded for their accomplishments and something to take pride in. But how about a award that pays you back, that keeps the ball rolling and the make you come back for more.

FLB will be awarding the winner in every class Cash Prizes. A percentage of each competitors entry fee in the class will go towards a pot for the winner. Now the more competitors in each class, the bigger the prize amount can be. With no limits to the amount you can win.

There will also be a skilled event at every FLB show that is not won by the one with the best and loudest system. But the one who is skilled at controlling their system the best.

FLB will create all new classes and all new rules bases on who and what matters, The competitors. All members of FLB will have a say in rules and can all come together to add or remove a part of the events that will create a better overall outcome for the events themselves and all competitors involved. Rules and classes are decided on and voted on by any current members who would like to be involved.



FLB will begin events in 2012

FLB events will start in Northwest Ohio, and travel all over the state and sister states in the area. Hosting a min of 2 shows a month during the beginning of its release and continue to grow more and more. FLB would love to go national, but in time. Great things take time and great things need time to become just that.


FLB events will be judged by official FLB certified judges. All events can be held at host locations by Teams, Shops, Organizations, Car Shows, and much more. All the above can hire an official FLB judge to put on a event in their area and become a certified show for competitors to come from all around to compete for bragging rights, certified scores and of course CASH!







THERE IS ALOT MORE INFO ABOUT THIS NEW FORMAT. BUT BECAUSE I AM NEW TO THIS FORUM IM NOT TRYING TO COME IN HERE AND DROP LINKS TO IT ALL. YOU CAN POST A QUESTION HERE OR PM ME.

THANKS

brodeisel
11-21-2011, 02:02 AM
Im kinda lost on exaclty what we will be doing to compete? and were will the db measurer or is this based on something completely different.

FLB.SPL.EVENTS
11-21-2011, 02:04 AM
Metered at the headrest and it is 30 seconds full tilt average score. On music.

QuietEclipse29
11-21-2011, 02:04 AM
Post the rules for the shows like classifications.

brodeisel
11-21-2011, 02:05 AM
So like does it matter to what your box is tuned at for a handicap?

FLB.SPL.EVENTS
11-21-2011, 02:08 AM
CLASSES AS OF 11-12-11 *UPDATED*



IN ALL CLASSES THE SYSTEM WILL BE MEASURED AT THE HEADREST.

WITH OFFICIAL FLB HEADREST MOUNT.

(choice of driver or passager headrest will be up to competitor)



SEAT MUST BE IN UPRIGHT 90 DEGREE POSITION BUT CAN BE MOVED FORWARD OR BACK AS FAR AS FACTORY SEAT ALLOWED.

ALL CLASSES WILL BE ABLE TO ROLL WINDOWS DOWN, LEAVE THEM CRACKED A LIL, OR SEAL THEM UP. (also sunroofs can be opened)

DOORS WILL REMAIN CLOSED DURING RUN

You will have 30 seconds to play a music track and recieve your peak db score




Each Competitor will have 2 runs to get their best score. Duriing the event you may come up to the lanes and play your 30 sec run. once your score has been recorded you may wait to see if any other competitor breaks your score. if your score is beaten in your class you can use your second run to increase your score.

Additional runs after your given 2 may be done for only $5 re-run charge.
Additional runs are limited to 3 after your first orig 2.
Additional runs must be completed before Eliminations begin.


FOR EACH CLASS THE TOP 3 SCORING COMPETITORS WILL GO ON TO ELIMINATIONS TO PLACE 1-3 AND AWARD THE 1ST PLACE WINNER WITH CASH.

For eliminations the highest score will wait while the other 2 competitors will compete against each other to see who is louder to go against the highest qualifying scoring competitor.


1st place will receive the pot of money from their class
2nd & 3rd place will receive printed certificates

All competitors who compete at each FLB event will recieve FLBspl Dash Plaques for thier entry.



Beginner Class: 2 classes

(this class is great for anyone just starting out and wont have to worry about going against a system alot larger then theirs.)

Beginner class:

1-2 subs

or

3-4 subs



SYSTEM WILL REMAIN BELOW WINDOW LINE OR IN TRUNK OF CAR.

-All interior pannels must be in place

-There will be a limit of 1500 rms in this class.

-amps will not be clamped.

-we will classify by the rating of the amp manufactures power lowest ohm load rating.



MUST HAVE IN-LINE FUSE WITH LIMIT OF 100 amp Fuse.

limit of 1 battery to be located in the stock position. no larger than group 31 battery



Advanced Beginner: 1 class

(this class for those who are still learning the ropes, but with a lil more power)

1-4 subs



SYSTEM WILL REMAIN BELOW WINDOW LINE OR IN TRUNK OF CAR

-All interior pannels must be in place

-There will be a limit of 3000 rms in this class.

-amps will not be clamped

-we will classify by the rating of the amp manufactures power at their lowest ohm load rating.



MUST HAVE IN-LINE FUSE WITH LIMIT OF 300 amp fuse.

limit of 2 batteries total. 1 in stock location and 1 anywhere else inside the vehicle.



Extreme Trunk Class: 1 class

(a class for those who wanna see the most out of a trunk)

ENTIRE SYSTEM WILL REMAIN IN TRUNK OF VEHICLE

Subs, amp, batteries and enclosure must be within the vehicles trunk.



-All interior pannels must be in place besides top seat cushion

-Top Seat may fold down or be removed as long as everything stays inside the trunk line.

-Deck Lid may be cut and if ported through the port may not extend more than 3" from the deck lid

-no fuses required

-no limit on power

-no sub limit

-no amp limit



No Wall type Class: 2 classes

(this is a class for all who do not have a full complete floor to ceiling wall)



car / hatchback only class

or

truck, van, suv



both classes will be as followed:

-All interior pannels must be in place that are ABOVE 60% LINE

-Custom door panels are allowed as long they are properly used

-Center console may be customized as long as it retains useful

-no limit on subs

-There is no limit on power

-no fuses required

NO WALL HIEGHT IS BASED ON A 60% HEIGHT REQUIREMENT

- for cars and hatchbacks the height will be measured from your trunk floor level to the height of your ceiling

-suv's will be measured from the cargo area floor lever to the height your ceiling

-trucks and vans will be measured from the main floor of the truck or van that the seats are bolted too, to the ceiling height.

IN ANY CASE IT WILL ALSO BE BASED ON WINDOW LINE ALSO. IT WILL BE 60% OF HEIGHT OR WINDOW LINE, WHICH EVER IS GREATER.



limited to 5 batteries total. 1 in stock location and 4 anywhere else inside the vehicle.

*the reason for the limit is it can limit power. if you feel your setup needs more batteries to handle your power you will move to Heavy Hitters

(see heavy hitters class for no limit on batteries)



Wall type Class: 3 classes



THIS CLASS IS FOR ALL ENCLOSURES AND SETUPS ABOVE THE WINDOW LINE BUT BEHIND THE B-PILLAR

-All interior pannels must be in place (in front of the B-Pillar)

-Custom door panels are allowed as long they are properly used

-Center console may be customized as long as it retains useful

-There is no limit on power

-No fuses required

-limited to 5 batteries total. 1 in stock location and 4 anywhere else inside the vehicle.

*the reason for the limit is it can limit power. if you feel your setup needs more batteries to handle your power you will move to Heavy Hitters

(see heavy hitters class for no limit on batteries)



These classes will be divided by Cone Area.



CLASS 1: UNDER 550" OF CONE AREA

up to 7 -10" subwoofers
up to 4 -12" subwoofers
up to 3 -15" subwoofers
up to 2 -18" subwoofers
up to 1 -21" subwoofer


CLASS 2: UNDER 1100" OF CONE AREA

up to 14 -10" subwoofers
up to 9 -12" subwoofers
up to 6 -15" subwoofers
up to 4 -18" subwoofers
up to 3 -21" subwoofer


CLASS 3: UNDER 1500" OF CONE AREA

up to 19 -10" subwoofers
up to 13 -12" subwoofers
up to 8 -15" subwoofers
up to 5 -18" subwoofers
up to 4 -21" subwoofer
ANY OTHER AMOUNT MORE THEN THIS WILL CLASS YOU IN HEAVY HITTERS.


HEAVY HITTERS Class: 3 classes

(These classes are for the big boys, classes for those with heavy hitting sytems)

-no limit on subs

-no limit on power

-no limit on batteries



Heavy Hitters 1:

slight interior mods

door panels may be molded and properly used.

no other mods in front of the B-Pillar



Heavy Hitters 2:

roof can be braced with metal

roof may be rhino lined

roof can be sheathed with up to 1" thick of wood material on interior

doors can be internally braced- to stop door cracks



Heavy Hitters 3:

ANYTHING GOES! (same as extreme classes)




BASS LIMBO

How LOW can you go???



This would be something extra at the event like port wars.

3 scores will be recorded then averaged to give your final score to see how loud you are at a range of frequencies.

you will play 3 tones to see how good your setup plays them.

40hz, 30hz, and 20hz.

there will be guys who get a great score at 20hz and not at 40hz and the other way around for other guys. so anyone could have the best average score.

kushy_dreams
11-21-2011, 09:22 PM
Any events planned for the Toledo area?

Very interested here

brodeisel
11-21-2011, 09:23 PM
i would be very interested also. If you even have any planned for iowa

OmegaBunny
11-21-2011, 09:44 PM
Are you going to be venturing into WV by chance?

kramer_212
11-21-2011, 09:47 PM
interesting

snoopdan
11-21-2011, 10:00 PM
Welcome to USACi. lulz.

alex95sl2
11-30-2011, 10:07 PM
bring to central IL

sacsking916
11-30-2011, 10:54 PM
That's a lot of classes. Good luck with it. Its interesting that's for sure.

Dirtrider4eva
11-30-2011, 11:08 PM
I like it, incorporates alot.how about wi?i wana try to sweep advcanced beginner one and bass limbo.

gunz4me2
12-02-2011, 01:50 AM
Welcome to USACi. lulz.

I hope he doesn't allow post judging competition class changes like USACi does.

Phoenix Risen
12-02-2011, 02:09 AM
almost seems like too many classes. especially for smaller shows that may only get 1-4 people in any given class

manyhobbies
01-06-2012, 06:25 PM
I can assure you guys that this new format will be available anywhere aslong as there would be a certain amount of people competing. I am a part of Team Aftermath and a supporter of this new format. And trust me we are a fairly large team so there is a wide variety of set ups just within us. What inspired us to come up with this format was the opportunity for average people with average systems to compete in a fair atmosphere where most burp machines would not do real well. In other words systems that play music and not burp machines, if your reading this and have been to atleast 1 comp then you know what were refering to.
I'm glad my man Rob brought this to the table here, because I actually thought most of the people here would beatup the idea. It is gonna happen, were just inviting anyone to try it. Just remember, it's a music playing comp not burp and you have to play for 30sec, so even some of the better burp machines would not handle this unless they retune and downsize power, which would change their score for a better playing feild.
Give it a try you may like the idea. Don't forget to check out the site for full details. Russ

manyhobbies
01-06-2012, 06:29 PM
We are also working on getting USACI back in the sceen for this part of the country so if we accomplish that it will be double format events. Db Drag shows in this area dont have very big turn outs either, but our goal is to get more people interested in competing, people who wouldnt because they felt they didnt have something worthy.
Russ
almost seems like too many classes. especially for smaller shows that may only get 1-4 people in any given class

pro-rabbit
01-06-2012, 06:30 PM
Here is the issue.

All the orgs will created with the same idea originality.

With that said, this structure has far to many classes and needs to be slimmed down. The other issue is that you will catch all of the "half loud" guys who can not compete at the level the guys in the big orgs are. Which means the "every day" guy still has no where to play.

I'm never apposed to new ideas and orgs and support the opportunity for everyone to succeed and wish you the best. With that said, you should work with a promoter that understands that idea of shows work that can help you get in the right direction.

Good luck though, it would seem in this industry and how it works a large amount of "luck" is needed.

manyhobbies
01-06-2012, 06:31 PM
By the way, your not far away, have you any interest in competing? Russ

almost seems like too many classes. especially for smaller shows that may only get 1-4 people in any given class

pro-rabbit
01-06-2012, 06:32 PM
We are also working on getting USACI back in the sceen for this part of the country so if we accomplish that it will be double format events. Db Drag shows in this area dont have very big turn outs either, but our goal is to get more people interested in competing, people who wouldnt because they felt they didnt have something worthy.
Russ

In reality it is not just your area that shows struggle in. With the exception of a few a shows (and texas as whole) most shows across the US are struggling. Every year numerous small shows are canceled and a few of the larger shows get canceled every year.

manyhobbies
01-06-2012, 06:37 PM
Trust me, we have a handful of veterans already on board and a few judges. This new format was formed with about 30 sum people involved. I thank you for the vote of confidence and there will be minor adjustments as we stroll along but this format will stay music based even if it never leaves the quad state area. If it changes to the point that the other orgs did then it will be a fail and be no longer. Russ
Here is the issue.

All the orgs will created with the same idea originality.

With that said, this structure has far to many classes and needs to be slimmed down. The other issue is that you will catch all of the "half loud" guys who can not compete at the level the guys in the big orgs are. Which means the "every day" guy still has no where to play.

I'm never apposed to new ideas and orgs and support the opportunity for everyone to succeed and wish you the best. With that said, you should work with a promoter that understands that idea of shows work that can help you get in the right direction.

Good luck though, it would seem in this industry and how it works a large amount of "luck" is needed.

manyhobbies
01-06-2012, 07:00 PM
I aswell as others dont feel there are too many classes, I guess I dont totally understand why some would feel that way, to me it allows the not so loud guys as ya call it, to fall into a class that they could compete in. Thats probably why there are so many that cant compete, because there is no class for them, hence why we have the classes we do and set up the way they are, so anyone can compete that would have the desire to do so. We all have a passion if we have subwoofers in our rides, its because we love bass.
This is our point: person A has a 15" subwoofer tuned to 55hz with 1000rms, person B has a 15" subwoofer tuned to 35hz with 1000rms both in the trunk of a car, who is gonna have the higher spl?, person A will prevail and we all know this and probably by atleast 5db, why did person A prevail, because he built a burp machine but yet falls into the same class as person B just because thats how it works. With that said, we know there will be some spl competiters that will not compete in our format, but thats ok because the majority is music based and have systems designed to play music. We beleive we covered most system applications.

Trust me, we have a handful of veterans already on board and a few judges. This new format was formed with about 30 sum people involved. I thank you for the vote of confidence and there will be minor adjustments as we stroll along but this format will stay music based even if it never leaves the quad state area. If it changes to the point that the other orgs did then it will be a fail and be no longer. Russ

r1banshee
01-06-2012, 07:53 PM
Too many classes. unfair the the noobs like me I don't want to up against 3--15's with 2--12's. that's double the cone area, I'm sure some people can do it. I want to have fun and not get my *** handed to me every time i show up, no fun.. who's going to show up and pay $25~$40 to have there *** handed to them by the guy with the SUV with 3 15's Most people are limited to the box size that they can fit into there car. Even if they have the cash most people cant fit 3 15's into there car/truck, but the suv's can? most people/new comers have 2-12's in there car/suv. I love going up against the same cone area, I would love to say I have the two loudest 12's in AZ out of the trunk. So any comp that has a cone area rule I like, and even better if you clamp the amp's. The whole amp rating thing is so f!ck'ed up, just due to the way they rate them. I can get a DD,Sundown,and others and run them down to .5 ohms. While the new guy the weekend guy has a crunch, Boss CE3800D, for $138 and only putting out 700 of clean power, and if that. So far the shows I went to see a lot of new guy's come in with there audio express system, and they get there *** handed to them by every one. They leave never to return. A two simple class's based on SPL say up to 135db and 135+ and for the 1st timers would be good and encourage them to return, that would grow the sport!!!

That been said love to see a setup like

1 to 260 sq. in. = 5-8” woofers, 3-10” woofers, 2-12” woofers, or 1-15” woofer.
261 to 520 sq. in. = 10-8” woofers, 6-10” woofers, 4-12” woofers, 2-15” woofers, or 2-18” woofers.
521+ sq. in. = unlimited quantity and size of woofers.

and you can have a trunk class, mod, walled, extreme, clamped ect. ect. (just for starter's)

pro-rabbit
01-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Trust me, we have a handful of veterans already on board and a few judges. This new format was formed with about 30 sum people involved. I thank you for the vote of confidence and there will be minor adjustments as we stroll along but this format will stay music based even if it never leaves the quad state area. If it changes to the point that the other orgs did then it will be a fail and be no longer. Russ

I'm "lightly" involved with various orgs, you could say.

I do hope the best for you guys. If you do multiple shows for next to no cost to anyone it will help some, but another large issue is retailer or other "host" participation. With out that, funding for orgs becomes very hard to come up with.

Perhaps I have just been with in the industry to long to offer input for this that will allow you to grow more? Perhaps more so it is that all opinions given are just passed over with out a glance?

truckramrod
01-06-2012, 08:30 PM
I'm excited about this. I'm in central Indiana and willing to travel a state away for shows. Schedules permitting. A lot of shows seem to have been getting cancelled in the last 6 months locally and the shows that go as planned seem to fly under my radar and I miss them.

truckramrod
01-06-2012, 08:36 PM
By the way pro-rabbit, i have yet to put that jvc kd-sh700 to use. My wife keeps on me about installing her setup. Quite pitiful really.

Phoenix Risen
01-07-2012, 01:21 AM
By the way, your not far away, have you any interest in competing? Russ

i would love to get involved. and wouldnt mind working my way into judging if i like the way things are setup. ive been debating on doing meca judge training, but im just not sure i really want to.

this sounds like it could be a lot of fun though. as long as i dont end up running against a bunch of crx's playing techno at 60hz...

would also be nice to have shows more often on saturday than sunday as some of the others do.

manyhobbies
01-07-2012, 03:12 PM
It is based on cone area and power, do you realize that even some of the cheap amplifiers out there will run down to .25, sure their not rated for that but we do it all the time, so with that being said it does make it fair, db drag also uses rated power at 4ohm. I've had my azz handed to me by vehicles that are tuned much higher than me but I still compete because I enjoy the involvement. I would prolly have a harder time winning event than most due to the fact that I'm tuned low for music and dont run as much power as some with simular set ups. We had a guy at 1 of our last shows come all the way from Florida to compete for the first time, he didnt do real well but he had fun.
It is a chance for the average person to compete with an average system. Is there gonna be guys who try to cheat, sure, but we have that in every org but we are actually gonna do our best to monitor for that just because we know people will try it just to be #1.
I will look forward to meeting everyone that comes to the shows even if you dont compete.
Russ

Too many classes. unfair the the noobs like me I don't want to up against 3--15's with 2--12's. that's double the cone area, I'm sure some people can do it. I want to have fun and not get my *** handed to me every time i show up, no fun.. who's going to show up and pay $25~$40 to have there *** handed to them by the guy with the SUV with 3 15's Most people are limited to the box size that they can fit into there car. Even if they have the cash most people cant fit 3 15's into there car/truck, but the suv's can? most people/new comers have 2-12's in there car/suv. I love going up against the same cone area, I would love to say I have the two loudest 12's in AZ out of the trunk. So any comp that has a cone area rule I like, and even better if you clamp the amp's. The whole amp rating thing is so f!ck'ed up, just due to the way they rate them. I can get a DD,Sundown,and others and run them down to .5 ohms. While the new guy the weekend guy has a crunch, Boss CE3800D, for $138 and only putting out 700 of clean power, and if that. So far the shows I went to see a lot of new guy's come in with there audio express system, and they get there *** handed to them by every one. They leave never to return. A two simple class's based on SPL say up to 135db and 135+ and for the 1st timers would be good and encourage them to return, that would grow the sport!!!

That been said love to see a setup like

1 to 260 sq. in. = 5-8” woofers, 3-10” woofers, 2-12” woofers, or 1-15” woofer.
261 to 520 sq. in. = 10-8” woofers, 6-10” woofers, 4-12” woofers, 2-15” woofers, or 2-18” woofers.
521+ sq. in. = unlimited quantity and size of woofers.

and you can have a trunk class, mod, walled, extreme, clamped ect. ect. (just for starter's)

truckramrod
01-08-2012, 12:42 PM
When will the Calender on the site be updated?

kwattz87
01-17-2012, 12:34 PM
Yes when will the calendar be up. Very interested.

kushy_dreams
02-01-2012, 02:17 PM
Any updates on this?

bubbagumper6
02-01-2012, 02:32 PM
I'm also in Toledo and would definitely be interested in doing this....

Micksh
02-01-2012, 02:44 PM
I heard from Rob the other day...they are busy lining up shows. As I understand it, they will be updating the website in the near future so it is a bit easier to navigate and more professional looking. I know quite a few people that will be trying FLB this year, and these guys are all great guys! Everyone should come on out and try it!

murph
02-01-2012, 02:49 PM
Will this be hitting up virginia there are no competitions here....

bubbagumper6
02-01-2012, 04:01 PM
Link to the website?

Micksh
02-01-2012, 04:17 PM
Home Page (http://www.flbspl.com) ....I think the idea for them is wherever there is enough interest in a show, they will go (within reason anyways I believe)

bubbagumper6
02-01-2012, 04:22 PM
Music must be available for anyone to purchase or download. Chopped and Screwed music is allowed as long as it has not been altered with added bass tones.

This doesn't make sense, isn't that the point of chopped/screwed music?

Micksh
02-02-2012, 08:40 PM
This doesn't make sense, isn't that the point of chopped/screwed music?

Agree...think they need to clarify this...if I were to guess, I think they mean they don't want a continuous 30 second tone layered in, they want your score averaged over 30 seconds of music, with a beat. Just my interpretation of the rule....