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[Fi_]

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OK yes I'm a new used but I've been on SMDforums for almost 3 years now... Anyways I bought a PSI 18" Platform 1 off of Dave for $400 shipped it was supposed to have:

Interweaved Tinsels in the spiders
3 Spiders
1600RMS daily.

I ran this thing off maybe 1200RMS off an AP1500.1D amp never got warm but sub was hot as hell, so I said eff it and blew the **** thing to see what was up. The tinsels were NOT interwoven and it only had 2 spiders and it turns out the magnet size was all wrong for 1600w and is now advertised on his site as a 750rms subwoofer, so he sold me a 750rms subwoofer that was gimped for top price turned around and said it was MY fault.

Well I ran 2 DC 15's that handle 600rms a piece off that same amp off the WHOLE 1500rms WITH voltage drop and the subs don't even get warm where as the 18" was too hot to touch, I'm looking for my PDF for what the subwoofer was supposed to have and im going to take picture of the subwoofer. BTW I was banned from SMD forums after 3 years for making a topic like this, this is HOW pissed I am because I fought it this hard only ot be banned. Just be cautious PSI is starting to get cheap with all this buisiness flow. Also another Local friend who bought an 18" off him that was a platform 2 (2000rms daily) only took about 1200rms off his ap1500 before it got really hot he traded his for 2 AA Havoks and never got hot again, im starting to see a trend, Daves subs BARELY do rated if at all i'd be better off buying a **** CVR 18".

Also i didn make an account to rant, I actually heard this was a better site so I plan on being a regular, just hoping none of you are on Daves nuts like at SMD.

[ahole-ic]

Post pictures of your invoice and then of said woofer. This thread is worthless without pix.

[97maxima]

yea psi ***** for sure. he builds crap subs and crap recones. they dont handle rated power at all :bsflag:

[sacsking916]

i wanna see pics of the woofer please. havent heard much like this from PSI but in all honesty it wouldnt surprise me that people are getting cheap. not saying PSI directly, just in general. if interested hit up SPLaudio on here, he can rebuild it for ya just how ya want it, if dave doesnt cover it

[97maxima]

just look at this pos
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii90/on_chrome/24071_1281594806098_1416900499_30815306_1195117_n. jpg

[Sleeklsc]

I like sarcasm, moar please.

[skylineTT]

yeah man upload those pics asap to have some support. A lot of people here don't like SMD because of the nutswingers and stuff.

[myjaja]

just look at this pos
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii90/on_chrome/24071_1281594806098_1416900499_30815306_1195117_n. jpg

thats one white hand :naughty:

[The_Grimy_One]

just look at this pos
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii90/on_chrome/24071_1281594806098_1416900499_30815306_1195117_n. jpg

Just cause you got something good, doesnt mean the next man did... Let him prove his point, if no evidence, move on.

[sacsking916]

yeah man upload those pics asap to have some support. A lot of people here don't like SMD because of the nutswingers and stuff.

SMD and nuthuggers??? no way that happens. thats just crazy talk bro

[97maxima]

thats one white hand :naughty:

Its all flash baby

[ahole-ic]

thats one white hand :naughty:

Nah it's just a REALLY dark coil making him look that white brah.

[Fi_]

just look at this pos
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii90/on_chrome/24071_1281594806098_1416900499_30815306_1195117_n. jpg

Yeah that proves a lot man... anyways sarcasm aside, why would I bash a company for the sole purpose of bashing?... Why would I switch to DC a company that costs a lot more to buy from? Why would I waste my time? Because I paid for a $400 paper weight and dave refuses to refund.

My Invoice:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5152/invoiceie.jpg
Magnet is a platform 1 not platform 2 and site says plat 2's do 1500rms
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9031/img5381small.jpg
Only 2 Spiders:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9291/111011951410.jpg
Non-woven Tinsels
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5374/img5276small.jpg
and me blowing it for lulz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evNp_TeeHD0

Yeah man I'm making all of this up, he sold me this when he first started I was one of his like first 100 buyers and he does this... I dont know how he is NOW but I got shafted and NOTHING happened about it, now I HAVE to pay for DC to fix his mestake, thanks a ton dave from PSI!

[sacsking916]

Yeah that proves a lot man... anyways sarcasm aside, why would I bash a company for the sole purpose of bashing?... Why would I switch to DC a company that costs a lot more to buy from? Why would I waste my time? Because I paid for a $400 paper weight and dave refuses to refund.

My Invoice:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5152/invoiceie.jpg
Magnet is a platform 1 not platform 2 and site says plat 2's do 1500rms
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9031/img5381small.jpg
Only 2 Spiders:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9291/111011951410.jpg
Non-woven Tinsels
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5374/img5276small.jpg
and me blowing it for lulz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evNp_TeeHD0

Yeah man I'm making all of this up, he sold me this when he first started I was one of his like first 100 buyers and he does this... I dont know how he is NOW but I got shafted and NOTHING happened about it, now I HAVE to pay for DC to fix his mestake, thanks a ton dave from PSI!

or like i said hit up SPLaudio on here, he can recone it for you, and has one helluva track record on this site for his recones and builds

[Fi_]

or like i said hit up SPLaudio on here, he can recone it for you, and has one helluva track record on this site for his recones and builds

I would but im so happy with my DC's I've decided to stick with them I don't want anymore people custom building my woofers, I took a chance with PSI and he blew it for me and everyone. Literally.

[Sleeklsc]

You're a ******* idiot for blowing it up to get lulz, as no lulz were even had ******.

[ahole-ic]

Can you get a better shot of the spiders proving that there are only 2?

[The_Grimy_One]

or like i said hit up SPLaudio on here, he can recone it for you, and has one helluva track record on this site for his recones and builds

This ^^^

[Fi_]

I like how 10 people post instantly to call me a liar, but when I support proof nobody comments lol, I guess that's the irony of being modest.

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Can you get a better shot of the spiders proving that there are only 2?

Yeah im lazy right now and the digital camera has no batteries so it'll have to wait.

[97maxima]

This really dosent prove much thanks for taking the time to post a vid and screen shot. I willing to bet some money you acted like a complete douche when this problem occurred and dave told you to ef off. and im sure the base models of the motors have a certain power handling that's recommended. but it changes with coil and spider configurations. also has to do with your enclosure size

[Fi_]

You're a ******* idiot for blowing it up to get lulz, as no lulz were had ******.

Woah you called me a ****** I'm so hurt concidering I probably get way more tail than you. and how am I an idiot? the subwoofer was already blown basically, I was finishing it off so I could get a REAL recone that could handle MORE power. and how were no lulz had? a TON of people loved that video and doing it was fun a lot more fun that maintaining this junk @ 1000rms.

[Fi_]

This really dosent prove much thanks for taking the time to post a vid and screen shot. I willing to bet some money you acted like a complete douche when this problem occurred and dave told you to ef off. and im sure the base models of the motors have a certain power handling that's recommended. but it changes with coil and spider configurations. also has to do with your enclosure size

RAAM designed my enclosure based on T/S specs. Dave I was actually good to man I told him I really don't care I'm just getting it reconed but I told him that he would not be getting good reviews from me. How does that NOT prove much? it proves that my subwoofer was GIMPED and that the platform I was given would NOT handle 1600rms daily. I've proven more than enough stop being a biased fanboy of dave you sound like N8ball from sMD forums.

[97maxima]

Also you knew the sub was hot and you let it go without investigating further. Shame on you. When you unpacked the sub for the first time didnt you notice the tinsels? Please say you didnt

[97maxima]

You are a tard. I like lots of brands and am not partial to any certain one. Like i said the first time, im sure you went about this the wrong way. Dave is has good cs and dosent have to screw anyone to get paid.

[ahole-ic]

You are a tard. I like lots of brands and am not partial to any certain one. Like i said the first time, im sure you went about this the wrong way. Dave is has good cs and dosent have to screw anyone to get paid.

Hutnugger ITT

[Fi_]

Also you knew the sub was hot and you let it go without investigating further. Shame on you. When you unpacked the sub for the first time didnt you notice the tinsels? Please say you didnt

No I did, to be honest I didnt care until I put it in the box and you could hear lead slapping like crazy because he also didnt put ANY pads on the cone. and what am I supposed to do to "maintain" a overheating subwoofer? I adjusted gains far below that of the rated on my amplifier, and my voltage sat @ 13.6v full tilt with no dimming or anything. I tried adjusting EVERYTHING you think I just said, it's hot **** it, no I did a ton of **** to try to make it better even bought a battery and now I sit 14v and it STILL got hot. Just stop please, at this point you have no respect from me or anything for that matter since you're obviously a PSI fanboy because you OWN one, congrats I hope yours blows for being sucha prick.

[Fi_]

You are a tard. I like lots of brands and am not partial to any certain one. Like i said the first time, im sure you went about this the wrong way. Dave is has good cs and dosent have to screw anyone to get paid.

Then why when I provide proof you name call and talk ****? because YOU cannot back up that YOU own a unreliable ****** brand, dave has GREAT CS he will talk on the phone all day and tell you how YOU fucked up HIS woofer, when I have proof that I have a far gimped subwoofer and I opayed, now hes selling Platform 1's for a lot cheaper and saying 750RMS gee I wonder why?! how many people you think he did this to in the first 100 sales? I'm guessing a few, thats why he changed his site.

[97maxima]

No I did, to be honest I didnt care until I put it in the box and you could hear lead slapping like crazy because he also didnt put ANY pads on the cone. and what am I supposed to do to "maintain" a overheating subwoofer? I adjusted gains far below that of the rated on my amplifier, and my voltage sat @ 13.6v full tilt with no dimming or anything. I tried adjusting EVERYTHING you think I just said, it's hot **** it, no I did a ton of **** to try to make it better even bought a battery and now I sit 14v and it STILL got hot. I later found out that one of the coils leads snapped because it was 0 on the DMM this is ALL within 6 months of owning it. Coil was bright, but it read 0. Just stop please, at this point you have no respect from me or anything for that matter since you're obviously a PSI fanboy because you OWN one, congrats I hope yours blows for being sucha prick.
Lol you fail on sooo many levels. Wont have to worry about me blowing up any of my subs thanks tho:yumyum:

[97maxima]

Then why when I provide proof you name call and talk ****? because YOU cannot back up that YOU own a unreliable ****** brand, dave has GREAT CS he will talk on the phone all day and tell you how YOU fucked up HIS woofer, when I have proof that I have a far gimped subwoofer and I opayed, now hes selling Platform 1's for a lot cheaper and saying 750RMS gee I wonder why?! how many people you think he did this to in the first 100 sales? I'm guessing a few, thats why he changed his site.

Your not very smart, fyi your still running psi subs lmao

[Fi_]

Lol you fail on sooo many levels. Wont have to worry about me blowing up any of my subs thanks tho:yumyum:

Please explain to me HOW I fail?... Are you dense kid? I called you a kid because you act like one btw. and good I'm glad dave is finally cleaning up his act I'm so happy for you broski.

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Your not very smart, fyi your still running psi subs lmao

No I'm not? lol I'm running DC my man, real quality there.

[itsblown]

I hope this doesn't turn into another cadence 8in woofer thread:uhoh:

[Sleeklsc]

Woah you called me a ****** I'm so hurt concidering I probably get way more tail than you. and how am I an idiot? the subwoofer was already blown basically, I was finishing it off so I could get a REAL recone that could handle MORE power. and how were no lulz had? a TON of people loved that video and doing it was fun a lot more fun that maintaining this junk @ 1000rms.

Dude, you get way more tail then me. I'm so stupid for thinking you were an idiot.

[Fi_]

It's funny how only PSI users are arguing my facts lol with ZERO proof to nullify my topic.

[Fi_]

Exactly, you get more *** than me. I prefer ******.

You've never even seen a ****** quit with the tall tales. Anyways aren't we talking about subwoofers here not your intent to prove me wrong by calling me a ****** lmfao.

[97maxima]

Please explain to me HOW I fail?... Are you dense kid? I called you a kid because you act like one btw. and good I'm glad dave is finally cleaning up his act I'm so happy for you broski.

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No I'm not? lol I'm running DC my man, real quality there.
lol like i said. I just hope you dont reproduce

[Fi_]

lol like i said. I just hope you dont reproduce

I don't blame you, my kid would probably be smarter than you too which would make you feel pretty ****** huh?

[Sleeklsc]

Interesting...

[Fi_]

You don't like being called a ****** do you? ******. Go eat some *******

I like being called a ****** bro, I really do it means you have NOTHING on me but to call me what every other 13 year old on youtube does when they see my video because they cannot afford a $400 subwoofer in the first place and don't understand what a recone is/does.

[Sleeklsc]

I like being called a ****** bro, I really do it means you have NOTHING on me but to call me what every other 13 year old on youtube does when they see my video because they cannot afford a $400 subwoofer in the first place and don't understand what a recone is/does.

Quite honestly I really don't give a flying hoot about this thread and my posts show that. It was an oppertunity to waste 10 minutes of my day till I can leave this sh!thole called work...

I just think you were dumbfuck for blowing it up.

[97maxima]

Your about as dumb as they come. your sub didnt blow because it had one less spider. Technically you didnt blow it you burned/snapped a lead. which was caused by you clipping. Those leads that are tied down to the spider dont slap. what you thought you heard was you playing below tuning. i dont think i need to keep going but i will. you noticed your sub was not as ordered when you first got it. but u used it anyways they cryed later. vendors make mistakes, he forgot a spider **** happens. but everything your claiming is your fault

[ahole-ic]

I bought a 12" xplode from wall mart and wal socketted it. They refused to recone. I thought since I got it from wall mart it was made for the wall socket. They said by my logic it behaved properly because it exploded. Someone HELP. Wall Mart is teh scammerz!!!

[The_Grimy_One]

There sure is a lot of PSI Dikc Riding going down in this thread. I mean if he calls out a company, thats on him, if you arent an owner or partial owner in the company, then just sit back and see whats proven. Unlike the other thread on here, which is actually calling out a person and his selling tactics, which would permit for him to defend his self.

[sundownz]

Just for reference the invoice says "single leads, sewn" -- which is what you have. PSI does not and has not ever woven leads into or between the spiders.

As far as the spiders it looks like you got an upgrade... the invoice calls for 8" spiders and you have 9.25" spiders -- if they are stiffer than the 8" soft spiders then two would equal the compliance of three of the 8" soft units. This would be an upgrade from what you paid for.

As for the Platforms... Dave changed the line around. The old Platform-1 is now the Platform-2 and the P2 moved up to P3. The new P1 is a new model and smaller and has not always been offered. Not sure when you purchased but that could be the confusion you are having.

Anyway -- sorry you weren't happy with your purchase.

[97maxima]

oscope set gains vid im sure is coming next to prove his point further. only thing to see here is a forgotten spider

[Fi_]

Your about as dumb as they come. your sub didnt blow because it had one less spider. Technically you didnt blow it you burned/snapped a lead. which was caused by you clipping. Those leads that are tied down to the spider dont slap. what you thought you heard was you playing below tuning. i dont think i need to keep going but i will. you noticed your sub was not as ordered when you first got it. but u used it anyways they cryed later. vendors make mistakes, he forgot a spider **** happens. but everything your claiming is your fault


You were here to know all of that right? There was slap the minute I put it in the box I made 4 different boxes for it, it did it on all of them, why am I even arguing with you? You're such a blatent fanboy, a tool at that. The coil and lead had ZERO burn marks it was all from Design error not user error, even Dave said himself the lead could have snapped from his design but I wasnt about to spend $75-80 to ship it there and then back, id rather just cut my losses and recone it. I'll tell you what happened I tuned it, built the box and put it in check everything first, played it and it started to slap then dave mentioned putting padding on the cone to stop it, before I got around to do that the coil read 0. Now the subwoofer was getting extremely hot before that anyways, bottom line I was sold a subwoofer that would do 750rms daily that should have cost me $300 or less, INSTEAD I paid $400 for a subwoofer that I was lied to about, like I said MANY times theres a REASON platform 1's are now rated less and before they were rated 1500 BECAUSE dave realized HE FUCKED UP, I'm sure when he first started he was trying to establish his buisiness and make money so now he probably puts more work into them, but when he started he had TONS of complaints if you'd like I'll link my friend here that had the SAME problem.

Would you like that hancho?

[groundpound4200]

Just for reference the invoice says "single leads, sewn" -- which is what you have. PSI does not and has not ever woven leads into or between the spiders.

As far as the spiders it looks like you got an upgrade... the invoice calls for 8" spiders and you have 9.25" spiders -- if they are stiffer than the 8" soft spiders then two would equal the compliance of three of the 8" soft units. This would be an upgrade from what you paid for.

As for the Platforms... Dave changed the line around. The old Platform-1 is now the Platform-2 and the P2 moved up to P3. The new P1 is a new model and smaller and has not always been offered. Not sure when you purchased but that could be the confusion you are having.

Anyway -- sorry you weren't happy with your purchase.

This... I was going to type that out but I hit refresh and Sundownz beat me to it.

[Fi_]

Quite honestly I really don't give a flying hoot about this thread and my posts show that. It was an oppertunity to waste 10 minutes of my day till I can leave this sh!thole called work...

I just think you were dumb for blowing it up. If it wasn't as described then something should be arranged.

Well Im not bothered by anything you said, I just think you need a life.

[ChevyRidinLow]

thats one white hand :naughty:

chubby sausage hand. i like it

[97maxima]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii90/on_chrome/2011-05-23175253-2.jpg

[Fi_]

Just for reference the invoice says "single leads, sewn" -- which is what you have. PSI does not and has not ever woven leads into or between the spiders.

As far as the spiders it looks like you got an upgrade... the invoice calls for 8" spiders and you have 9.25" spiders -- if they are stiffer than the 8" soft spiders then two would equal the compliance of three of the 8" soft units. This would be an upgrade from what you paid for.

As for the Platforms... Dave changed the line around. The old Platform-1 is now the Platform-2 and the P2 moved up to P3. The new P1 is a new model and smaller and has not always been offered. Not sure when you purchased but that could be the confusion you are having.

Anyway -- sorry you weren't happy with your purchase.


I respect you Jacob and you might be right but the point here is I've always tuned the sAME way and NEVER had a problem this woofer was NOT handling what it was "rated" for. MAYBE the coil broke on shipping (or tinsel broke) and I was only running it off 1 coil the whole time? who knows, all I know is it was broken and he refused to take it backt he moment I noticed something was wrong and blamed me, I'm not the type to bother getting it send back and all the waiting so I just bought new subs bottom line I wasn't happy and I have proof to back it, that's all. He said 3 spiders I expect 3 spiders, he says 1600rms daily I expect that sucker to take 1600rms and not have a problem. How COULD i have been clipping when I clamped my amp @ 1200rms out of the 1500 is DOES and it still got hella hot then I check my voltage and its 14v? tell me that smart guy.

[97maxima]

chubby sausage hand. i like it

If you like it chubby i got more where that came from :yumyum:

[Fi_]

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii90/on_chrome/2011-05-23175253-2.jpg

You're cool bro you can leave my topic now and go listen to you Pink **** Industry woofers.

[Sleeklsc]

Well Im not bothered by anything you said, I just think you need a life.

It's hard to have a life at work bro..

[Fi_]

It's hard to have a life at work bro..

Then maybe you should... uh. I don't know? Work.

[Sleeklsc]

Then maybe you should... uh. I don't know? Work.

Overrated.

[Fi_]

I'm assuming I was sent a woofer with a bad coil or tinsel, then I ran 1200-1500RMS @ 2 ohms off my amp because only 1 coil was hooked (dual 2 ohm sub) which caused it to clip and get hot, I'm not saying the subwoofer couldnt handle the power im saying it was a ****** design and it was flawed because it was NOT user error and this I know for sure, think what you want. and Dave didnt want to take responsiblity, thats my problem the Platforms and Spiders were just icing ont he cake and MAYBE you're right about the woven tinsels but he said mine would have them or something because I was well aware of heavy excursion causing tinsel slap and I didnt want it. Exactly why I asked for woven leads on my level 3's.

and honestly I don't expect any of you to care or believe me or stop buying PSI I'm just making a footprint as to WHY i hate the company so in later threads I can just link people when I give it a bad review/rating.

[useless idiot]

There sure is a lot of PSI Dikc Riding going down in this thread. I mean if he calls out a company, thats on him, if you arent an owner or partial owner in the company, then just sit back and see whats proven. Unlike the other thread on here, which is actually calling out a person and his selling tactics, which would permit for him to defend his self.

WRONG. The seller started that thread.

[ahole-ic]

It's hard to have a life at work bro..
DO WORK SON!
http://www.donkeypatrol.com/uploaded_images/bb-784975.jpg

[The_Grimy_One]

WRONG. The seller started that thread.

Your right, my mistake. But regardless, you get the difference.

[Imtjnotu]

You are a tard. I like lots of brands and am not partial to any certain one. Like i said the first time, im sure you went about this the wrong way. Dave is has good cs and dosent have to screw anyone to get paid.shut ur fuckin mouth already maxima fuckk....the guy posted pics and the original order sheet.....

[hispls]

First of all, there isn't a 3" coil out there that can hold 1600W worth of heat indefinitely period. 4" coil yes, 3" coil no. They will all heat up and fail over time at this power level. Also it doesn't appear that you broke this sub on 1600W and it also doesn't appear that only having 2 spiders was the cause of the failure. That looks to be similar to a TC-9 motor which support a lot of platforms that can handle 1200W just fine.

ALSO if you indeed just broke a tinsel that's 1$ plus some CA glue to fix, no need to destroy 80$ worth of good softparts....that in fact is one reason I never use woven or burried tinsels since they would require completely scragging the whole assembly.

All that being said IMO PSi seems to over charge for rather cheap Chinese parts, ***** you didn't like the sub. If you're in Fryeburg Maine I can meet up with you at some point and recone it and show you what a real 400$ subwoofer looks like.

[TheUnderFighter]

Shame to hear about the bad experience man. And Sorry Maxima is being a **** about it, not sure what's up his ***. But just chill out, don't let the trolls get to ya, it's making you look bad.
Pics prove exactly what was wrong for the most part. Everything on the invoice looks like it should take that power. Hell, I paid $120 for my SA-10 and it takes it fine. Don't see why yours shouldn't have unless there was something wrong. Though it is marked for sewn leads, not woven, must have been a misunderstanding.
Tis a shame Dave didn't back it, I guess I won't be going to them for a re-cone now. Glad to hear you're liking your new woofers now!

[grimreper912003]

My question to you would be what did you say to Dave? Usually if Dave has an issue he is more then willing to help unless the person is being a **** then he tells them to pound sand.

[wenn_du_weinst]

I got recones with non matching parts and both blew premature on a wall socket. I'd be pissed if I bought a platform 2 and got a platform 1. it's not the first time I've heard about psi's horrible warranty service. ***** because he is a pretty cool guy to deal with as well.

[Imtjnotu]

First of all, there isn't a 3" coil out there that can hold 1600W worth of heat indefinitely period. 4" coil yes, 3" coil no. They will all heat up and fail over time at this power level. Also it doesn't appear that you broke this sub on 1600W and it also doesn't appear that only having 2 spiders was the cause of the failure. That looks to be similar to a TC-9 motor which support a lot of platforms that can handle 1200W just fine.

ALSO if you indeed just broke a tinsel that's 1$ plus some CA glue to fix, no need to destroy 80$ worth of good softparts....that in fact is one reason I never use woven or burried tinsels since they would require completely scragging the whole assembly.

All that being said IMO PSi seems to over charge for rather cheap Chinese parts, ***** you didn't like the sub. If you're in Fryeburg Maine I can meet up with you at some point and recone it and show you what a real 400$ subwoofer looks like.
Better in reverse has a tc9 that takes 2k rms on a 3" coil

[wenn_du_weinst]

Better in reverse has a tc9 that takes 2k rms on a 3" coil

not clamped 2000rms, that is tones not music as well.

[Imtjnotu]

not clamped 2000rms, that is tones not music as well.

True... didn't look at it that way either way pSI screwed him

[TeamPSI]

First off guys, this thread is about a subwoofer that was purchased roughly a YEAR ago.

A few weeks after getting it, he told me that it was getting hot and stinky. We spent quite a long time on the phone, and in emails about gain settings, clipping, voltage, etc, etc.

Once we spoke about how to fix his settings, he reported back that all was good, and that the sub was working fine.


Here is an email from Jesse from 11/27/2011, just a month or something after getting it. This is AFTER helping him set the amp up..


I know my dude, haha I'm sorry about that I just liked hitting you up on AIM to ask questions about the woofer and/or company do you not go on AIM anymore? and also whats a recone for my subwoofer go for? didn't we discuss $150 shipped? the woofer is fine im just wondering :-p

Here is an email from Jesse from March of this year, months after he bought it...


oh ok you **** little man hhaa jk but man that 18" is STILLL pounding man she loves, question thought 35hz @ 5cft seems small for my box... could I go as low as 32hz @ 7cft? and be safe @ 1600rms?

At some point after building a new box, and supposedly bottoming the sub out a few times, he lost one of the voice coils. He asked if it would be covered under warranty, and I told him "probably not", but that if he would send it back, and I could justify warranting it, that I would. I never heard back.

I have not spoken to Jesse in months. Nothing about wanting to send it, or wanting a recone kit... nothing. The conversation that we had ended with him saying "Thanks dude". I did not feel that he was upset, and expected to hear back if he wanted to send the sub back to us.


All of a sudden this morning, I see a friend request on Facebook from none other than, Jesse Lusky. This afternoon I get an email, pointing me to this 4 page long thread. Guess who posted it? :)


This seems out of the blue to me. Considering the time that has passed, and what he has done to the subwoofer (wall socket video), what else am I supposed to do? I offered tech support to this guy, spoke to him in lengthy phone conversations, offered to try to cover the sub if possible, offered a discount on a recone if it was his fault (this was months after he bought it, and had abused it IMO).... I just honestly feel that I did what should have been done in this situation.

I cannot just do things for free in fear that the guy will post a negative remark about our company. I understand that Jesse may have some ill feelings, and I am sorry for that, but I do not feel that he was treated poorly in any way.


Just to be clear about the sub, it was a Platform 1 series back in 2010! It would be called a Platform 2 now. It is still identical from year to year. Jesse was sent exactly the series that he was supposed to get.

Also, the spiders used were upgraded to 9" at Jesse's request. I did not have a listing for 9" spiders on the quote sheet, so I just clicked in for 3 8" spiders, to equal the price needed. These was never any intention of using another spider on this. The sub was built with the correct parts.

The coil used was a 2.5" long 4 layer aluminum roundwire coil. We use it quite a bit in the Platform 2 subs, and this has been the only report of it not handling 1500w rms. I know of other subs that use a vey similar coil, rated for 1800-2000w rms. We are usually pretty conservative on power ratings. ;)

So in closing, I stand behind what I did in this situation. I am sorry that we could not make Jesse happy, but an honest effort was given.

Thanks,
David Moore

[TheUnderFighter]

Thanks for coming in and giving the full story, hopefully the clears a bit of everything up and the drama can end. Reasonable procedures on your end for sure!

[grimreper912003]

Fail lol. I love half stories.

[Sleeklsc]

Fail lol. I love half stories.

x2....Kinda reminds me of the f Mechman thread. Both of the op's got owned in each of them.

[Imtjnotu]

Take back what I said then....

[The_Grimy_One]

Another thread cleared up :)

[RAM_Designs]

If what PSi said is true, I feel no sympathy for the OP. He has the sub for a year and beats the hell out of it, then wants a refund after wall-socketing it...um, no.

[97maxima]

shut ur fuckin mouth already maxima fuckk....the guy posted pics and the original order sheet.....

I was done and then you opened your mouth an hour after my last post.

[ahole-ic]

Jesse = lying crybaby piece of crap. PSI = cleared their good name. /thread

[Imtjnotu]

I was done and then you opened your mouth an hour after my last post.

and i admitted i was wrong after that so my apologies to both you and PSI

[TheUnderFighter]

^ You and me both.
Though I still the Mechman was a little off in his. But Brandon went above and beyond to make a huge mess out of it haha, that was ridiculous. Hopefully it is not repeated here.

[05fronty]

wrong section

[wenn_du_weinst]

meh mechman could go out of business tomorrow for all I care.

[97maxima]

and i admitted i was wrong after that so my apologies to both you and PSI
Its cool, was alot of deep reading to take in. Guy was/is a complete noob

meh mechman could go out of business tomorrow for all I care.

This might be the only thing you have ever said i agree to

[itsblown]

Lol the OP is no where to be found after psi's response

[Fi_]

First of all, there isn't a 3" coil out there that can hold 1600W worth of heat indefinitely period. 4" coil yes, 3" coil no. They will all heat up and fail over time at this power level. Also it doesn't appear that you broke this sub on 1600W and it also doesn't appear that only having 2 spiders was the cause of the failure. That looks to be similar to a TC-9 motor which support a lot of platforms that can handle 1200W just fine.

ALSO if you indeed just broke a tinsel that's 1$ plus some CA glue to fix, no need to destroy 80$ worth of good softparts....that in fact is one reason I never use woven or burried tinsels since they would require completely scragging the whole assembly.

All that being said IMO PSi seems to over charge for rather cheap Chinese parts, ***** you didn't like the sub. If you're in Fryeburg Maine I can meet up with you at some point and recone it and show you what a real 400$ subwoofer looks like.

HAha lets it man **** we can make it a BBQ ill havemy girl do the cookin :-p and yeah man I know for a fact that 18" wouldnt do 1600 daily I knew dave was pissing up a rope but I put my faith in him, oh well atleast moneys not a problem to me :D

[Fi_]

My question to you would be what did you say to Dave? Usually if Dave has an issue he is more then willing to help unless the person is being a **** then he tells them to pound sand.

Well at first I was happy with my 18" it friggin slammed I thanked him like no other haha then it started heating upa nd I explained how I set it up and he said: "you're clipping it back it down." So I backed it down it still got warm and was barely even loud, so I hooked it upto a DMM to see what voltage I was getting and it was around 800-1000rms (STILL GETTING WARM) so I explained to him my voltage, my amplifier and everyhting ive tried and he told me it was the amplifier.... So I bought a DC 1.2K and it STILL got warm off 800-1000RMS. BTW I DIDNT BREAK the tinsel it was either broken when I got it or the subwoofer just couldnt handle the power and it broke or something.

I explained to him the subwoofer could NOT handle 1600RMS daily and that I wanted him to fix it (NOT A REFUND) I even offered to send it back so he could see for himself and he insisted I had to pay shipping both ways (80$+) I said **** that when I can get a recone for $40 more.. heh. Point is dave knew he was in the wrong and blamed ME and my amplifier for it, ya I didnt get my money back or my sub fixed but he wont get mine or any of my 4 friends buisiness that were told about it. One of them was going to buy 2 18's off him too lmfao and I was gonna get another one. Also he SAID it would have sewn leads I didnt realize until now actually that it said they aren't I paid extra for those spiders and those leads, I also paid extra for a Daily 1600RMS subwoofer even though it was only a platform 1. I could have gotten a platform 2 with bigger magnet and coil for that price now since he changed the platform prices.

[Fi_]

First off guys, this thread is about a subwoofer that was purchased roughly a YEAR ago.

A few weeks after getting it, he told me that it was getting hot and stinky. We spent quite a long time on the phone, and in emails about gain settings, clipping, voltage, etc, etc.

Once we spoke about how to fix his settings, he reported back that all was good, and that the sub was working fine.


Here is an email from Jesse from 11/27/2011, just a month or something after getting it. This is AFTER helping him set the amp up..



Here is an email from Jesse from March of this year, months after he bought it...


At some point after building a new box, and supposedly bottoming the sub out a few times, he lost one of the voice coils. He asked if it would be covered under warranty, and I told him "probably not", but that if he would send it back, and I could justify warranting it, that I would. I never heard back.

I have not spoken to Jesse in months. Nothing about wanting to send it, or wanting a recone kit... nothing. The conversation that we had ended with him saying "Thanks dude". I did not feel that he was upset, and expected to hear back if he wanted to send the sub back to us.


All of a sudden this morning, I see a friend request on Facebook from none other than, Jesse Lusky. This afternoon I get an email, pointing me to this 4 page long thread. Guess who posted it? :)


This seems out of the blue to me. Considering the time that has passed, and what he has done to the subwoofer (wall socket video), what else am I supposed to do? I offered tech support to this guy, spoke to him in lengthy phone conversations, offered to try to cover the sub if possible, offered a discount on a recone if it was his fault (this was months after he bought it, and had abused it IMO).... I just honestly feel that I did what should have been done in this situation.

I cannot just do things for free in fear that the guy will post a negative remark about our company. I understand that Jesse may have some ill feelings, and I am sorry for that, but I do not feel that he was treated poorly in any way.


Just to be clear about the sub, it was a Platform 1 series back in 2010! It would be called a Platform 2 now. It is still identical from year to year. Jesse was sent exactly the series that he was supposed to get.

Also, the spiders used were upgraded to 9" at Jesse's request. I did not have a listing for 9" spiders on the quote sheet, so I just clicked in for 3 8" spiders, to equal the price needed. These was never any intention of using another spider on this. The sub was built with the correct parts.

The coil used was a 2.5" long 4 layer aluminum roundwire coil. We use it quite a bit in the Platform 2 subs, and this has been the only report of it not handling 1500w rms. I know of other subs that use a vey similar coil, rated for 1800-2000w rms. We are usually pretty conservative on power ratings. ;)

So in closing, I stand behind what I did in this situation. I am sorry that we could not make Jesse happy, but an honest effort was given.

Thanks,
David Moore

First off I was semi noob at the time and you TOOK advantage of me. Second you said that box was fine and it would handle lows fine below 27hz and 7cft. 3rd YOU said I bottomed the subwoofer out I DID NOT, you blamed everything on my and my amplifier without a second of blame for yourself. Explain why your subwoofer can't handle what smaller woofers can? Explain why it broke when I've NEVER blown a subwoofer, explain how it was HOT off less power than 1600RMS daily. You can't , stop trying to rob your customers I've had 4 or 5 people on facebook tell me they have had similar problems and opted for new subs.

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Lol the OP is no where to be found after psi's response

No, OP has a life thank you.

So you gave me a 2.5" 4 layer coil and expected it to handle 1600rms daily?!... Not only that I ASKED for 3 spiders igaf if they were 9" or not you didnt give me 3 spiders and you never told me you werent adding the 3rd. I will not be buying from you again and a lot of others I told about this will not be, everyone here can think what they want but I hardly think you justified yourself.

I stopped talking to you because I wasn't getting anywhere I'm not rude by nature but it annoys me that you think you can take advantage of people, you using cheap parts must be why 5-10 others have complained and this topic has almost 30 likes, stop trying to fool people man.

It's funny concidering my DC's take more power alone than your 18" did isn't that weird?! huh and its funny because YOU SAID "This 18" will sound BETTER and perform BETTER than ANY DC you can get in the price range." Funny concidering my DC for only $180 tools on it... I can put 1600 on my DC and clip them and they barely get warm, your sub off 1000rms got hella hot. YOu ASSUMED I bottomed the woofer out you have ZERO proof, I was working with you for awhile trying to fix it in the end it was YOUR FAULT.

[Fi_]

Jesse = lying crybaby piece of crap. PSI = cleared their good name. /thread

How did he CLEAR his name? because he came back and spewed a bunch of crap? and how am I a crybaby? because I was ripped off? I'm not the first bud. Dave how about you clear your name by repairing my subwoofer for free bud? nah didn't think so.

[dumple]

First off I was semi noob at the time and you TOOK advantage of me. Second you said that box was fine and it would handle lows fine below 27hz and 7cft. 3rd YOU said I bottomed the subwoofer out I DID NOT, you blamed everything on my and my amplifier without a second of blame for yourself. Explain why your subwoofer can't handle what smaller woofers can? Explain why it broke when I've NEVER blown a subwoofer, explain how it was HOT off less power than 1600RMS daily. You can't , stop trying to rob your customers I've had 4 or 5 people on facebook tell me they have had similar problems and opted for new subs.

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No, OP has a life thank you.

So you gave me a 2.5" 4 layer coil and expected it to handle 1600rms daily?!... Not only that I ASKED for 3 spiders igaf if they were 9" or not you didnt give me 3 spiders and you never told me you werent adding the 3rd. I will not be buying from you again and a lot of others I told about this will not be, everyone here can think what they want but I hardly think you justified yourself.

I stopped talking to you because I wasn't getting anywhere I'm not rude by nature but it annoys me that you think you can take advantage of people, you using cheap parts must be why 5-10 others have complained and this topic has almost 30 likes, stop trying to fool people man.

It's funny concidering my DC's take more power alone than your 18" did isn't that weird?! huh and its funny because YOU SAID "This 18" will sound BETTER and perform BETTER than ANY DC you can get in the price range." Funny concidering my DC for only $180 tools on it... I can put 1600 on my DC and clip them and they barely get warm, your sub off 1000rms got hella hot. YOu ASSUMED I bottomed the woofer out you have ZERO proof, I was working with you for awhile trying to fix it in the end it was YOUR FAULT.


you are still noob.

leads look sewn to me not woven into the spider which is different

[Fi_]

you are still noob.

And why is that bud? because I totally called Dave out and owned him? lol anyways like previous poster said I won't let it get to me it's over and done with. I'm just glad everyday I stop 1 more person from buying that crap. and funny he JUST took me off his friends list, scared im gonna make you lose more customers with truth? huh... let me get more pictures of my subwoofer, I'll show where the LEAD broke under the cap bud, it WASNT a bottom out like you thought lol. The coil even tho burnt HAD zero bottom out marks on it but under the dustcap where it was supposed to meet it was BROKEN ooo, as soon as I go to my friends (he has the blown soft parts) I'll take pictures.

Also it's funny how many people said I have proof and that I got ripped off and then he makes a post and EVERYONES on his nuts. It's not hard to recone or make a subwoofer the guys not a god you know,MANY people here have referred me to SPLaudio to get my customs made and have said dont go with PSI they're junk.

So lets see it dave, what are you going to say next? I clipped it to death with 800rms off a 1500watt amp @ 14v? lmfao.

[dumple]

but you also clipped the **** out of it so, how is that PSI's fault

[Fi_]

but you also clipped the **** out of it so, how is that PSI's fault

How did I clip it?! lol explain... ZERO voltage drop @ 14v full tilt and I was running a 1500RMS amplifier @ 1000RMS. explain why even my DC 1.2K made it overheat? Explain how with the SAME tuning technique my DC level 3 15" takes MORE power lol. Explain how I bottomed a subwoofer out AFTER dave said it would take 27hz @ 7cft daily without a problem and just to be careful RAAM designed it according to T/S specs heh? and I only ran it off 1000rms because if I went to even 1100rms I couldnt even touch the dustcap.

I guess you need 16v stable, 200a alt, 3 batts, and a Osciloscope to make one of PSI's subs actually work without blowing huh? Well good thats EXACTLY the reason I'm not buying from him :D so far everything I've done has come out fine... Hell I won 1st place on my 1st competition with my DC's tuning by ear. I guess I'm a noob tho huh? because it's DAVE the almightys word against mine, maybe im an arrogant prick but imagine if MONEY was an ISSUE to me man I'd be really slamming him with hate, fortunatly I just moved on lol.

and ya Dave good job compensating I believe it was going to cost what? $130 for a recone? Just to mess up again all set I'll buy DC's for $100 heh. OR what send it to you for $80 so you can just tell me its my fault? so then I have to pay the shipping and $160 for you to fix it? Yeah I'm all set bud, nice compensation.

and the reason I even made this topic is because I MADE this topic on SMD and n8ball the *** didnt like me so we got in a fight and I was banned (reason that dont need to be said.) so I started coming here, what better way then to show people your fine company m i rite?!

[dumple]

how did you set gains, what was your bass boost and filter settings? you were self confessed noob so im guessing your gain was cranked to max then backed off a tad so id wasnt audibly distorting...

[grimreper912003]

Uh huh.... How are your grounds buddy bear?

[dumple]

Uh huh.... How are your grounds buddy bear?

also a good question, and what are your supporting voltage mods, proof of staying at 14v?

[Fi_]

how did you set gains, what was your bass boost and filter settings? you were self confessed noob so im guessing your gain was cranked to max then backed off a tad so id wasnt audibly distorting...

I was a noob to subwoofer BUILDING not systems themselves, I didnt know the significance between curtain parts. I set gains by EAR then checked with a dMM to see around what I was getting, so far NEVER ha d aproblem doing this except with the PSI I have youtube videos of me putting 1200RMS to my Stock Fi 15" using a DMM and it wasnt even warm on the thermo-reader. Bass boost off as always, im not a noob dude, and filter settings I set with a DMM as well usually 5hz below tuning for SSF and around 70hz for the LPF. But I have a HU that sets them for me so I usually just use that <3 pioneer.

and CRANKED tot he max? try half of halfway on my gain lmfao. 4v preout headunit ftw baby.

[Fi_]

No voltage mods I sit @ 14.4v I was only running like 800-1000rms man so it wouldnt drop that much haha. I'll take a video of it tommorow man I'll back all my statements up but its 10pm here right now and I can't really bump in my driveway. I told DAVE himself I was hitting 13.6v at the lowest BEFORE my BIG III and battery upgrade AFTER I hit a 14v all day. Now of course I run more like 1500rms @ .5ohm so I see more like 13.5v @ full tilt. and my grounds? my grounds are bare metal all day. Listen I'm not hating on anyone here fine if you disagree with me but do something OTHER than call me a noob just to nuthug dave. MAYBE for once HES wrong.

Im almost 100% sure he messed up a tinsel and when I got it I was only running 1 coil. Unfortunatly like I said at the time I didnt know how to check that ****, I just knew how to install and tune and make boxes.

[The_Grimy_One]

I was a noob to subwoofer BUILDING not systems themselves, I didnt know the significance between curtain parts. I set gains by EAR then checked with a dMM to see around what I was getting, so far NEVER ha d aproblem doing this except with the PSI I have youtube videos of me putting 1200RMS to my Stock Fi 15" using a DMM and it wasnt even warm on the thermo-reader. Bass boost off as always, im not a noob dude, and filter settings I set with a DMM as well usually 5hz below tuning for SSF and around 70hz for the LPF. But I have a HU that sets them for me so I usually just use that <3 pioneer.

and CRANKED tot he max? try half of halfway on my gain lmfao. 4v preout headunit ftw baby.

Do the 4200UB really have 4v? I miss my 5000UB. And isnt half of halfway a quarter?

[Fi_]

Do the 4200UB really have 4v? I miss my 5000UB. And isnt half of halfway a quarter?

Yep 4v preout all day man its why I bought it... and Yes it's haha sorry im pretty tired hence why my words are garbled and spelling is off a bit. I was running an AP1500.1D which do rated @ 14v I was only running 1000rms so you CANT blame the amplifier. Like I said either the sub just couldnt take it or he didnt solder a tinsel my fault for not sending it back for inspection but just by the way he was BLAMING ME for everything like some completely noob I felt it was useless I'd be better off fixing it myself for the price of shipping heh.

btw when I do recone with the XL softparts I will make a video SHOWING the sub ACTUALLY working and not getting hot as proof, I'll even set it by EAR I'll make a whole **** video of it believe I'll be back with tons MORE proof for the nay sayers.

and why do you guys think outta all his friends he TOOK ME off his list (before I made this topic I realized he took me off and re-added him to see if he'd add me sure enough he DIDNT) hes scared im going to post on his wall :-p

[dumple]

never set my filters with dmm but have set my gain with dmm, runnin "only 1000 watts" doesnt mean you wont have drop, and audiopipes might do rated power but they arnt the be all end all high quality equipment, I think they are garbage. If you clipped it the tinsel coulda snapped, Im not hugging PSI's nuts, I dont own, never have and prolly wont(due to me loving my mag)

[Fi_]

never set my filters with dmm but have set my gain with dmm, runnin "only 1000 watts" doesnt mean you wont have drop, and audiopipes might do rated power but they arnt the be all end all high quality equipment, I think they are garbage. If you clipped it the tinsel coulda snapped, Im not hugging PSI's nuts, I dont own, never have and prolly wont(due to me loving my mag)

By that logic my DC's should have done the same thing believe I tested them on the AP after (sold the AP to my friend as well as my FI) and neigther of them got warm off the SAME settings haha man I need to vlog all this crap next time (I will since theres so many non-believers I will go back and do all this testing AGAIN just hope nobody closes my thread.) and for price/performance they are FAR from garbage just crappy if you plan to save on electrical.

and I didnt have drop I swear tommorow I will show my Jeep has ZERO drop even with MORE power and a LOWER impedance than the AP I'll even CLIP my DC's on purpose and make my voltage go below 13v and show they don't get warm. Good thing I have a heat gun on my DMM :D

Also the AP1500.1D IS .5 ohm stable (so hows it garbage?) my friend was running his AQ HDC3 off of it @ .5 ohms heh... know whats funny? he has the copper coil version and it took it like a champ, guess that nullifies my amp being the problem huh?


Tommorow I'll show my grounds, show my voltage, meter the heat on my DC's off more power, I'll show how I tuned and how I setup, I'll show you my PSI and the soft parts where the tinsel broke, I'll show how it WAS NOT mushroomed from bottoming out. I will basically disprove EVERYTHING dave claimed.

The part that DOESNT get old is the fact that he talks **** about FI and DC like his sub will be better and both my FI and my DC (single not the pair) handle more power, sound better.

[Fi_]

IF you look at the video this is a year ago when I first got it (loud huh?) as you can see no bottoming out or distorting (you cant hear it but the tinsel is slapping like a ***** in this video.) You can also see how I state 13.5v (this is idle) and 1000rms. Yeah I'm lying huh? also if you look carefully you can see it's sitting @ 14v by the end of the video it was hot as hell thats how quick it got hot and I mean too hot to touch the **** dustcap and this was my first time playing it really. Also yes this is my house etc. and my truck, so I wasnt lying about having 2 vehicles, 2 systems and plenty of moneyz. (not bragging im far from rich haha.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PzliPwMZ_w


This was my FI 15" SSD STOCK off the SAME amp @ 1000rms (2 ohms) and it NEVER got warm (even had it in a prefab) as you can tell it was about as loud as the 18" even. and thats WITH a Pioneer HU that had like 2v preout and probably caused some clipping. Also it was winter so I was only htting about 13v idle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFNEp-albw

This is the AQ HDC3 running off my AQ1500.1D @ .5ohm, NEVER got warm, it was ALSO in my 7cft 27hz box if you ask me MY BOX and the AMP are RULED OUT, unless daves ready to admit his sub that COSTS MORE than the AQ18" is NOT as good... bet hes scared he'd lose buisiness to AQ then huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNWzHqKaaY

Bottom line, Dave deceives customers into thinking his brand sounds better and handles more power in the price range compared to companies like: DC, FI, AA etc. Then he turns around and uses cheap parts (which is fact.) then when they break he doesn't back them funny thing is I paid about $400 for this and $350 for BOTH my DC's and eachone handles more power and sound better, he also charges more than the competitors for recones (that arent even as good.) and rediculous shipping prices (most the time.) Small companies REQUIRE good product and prices to compete, not false hopes and dreams backed with his excuses when his product fails not only that my subs missing parts that were on the sheet plain and simple I didnt ask for 2 9" I asked for 3 spiders even if it's the same thing its NOT what I asked for... It's not just me it's a lot of people, random people. talk to Andrew Rususki he had the SAME problem with his 18" but that was a platform 2 with a bigger coil and it couldnt even handle 1500rms without getting freakishly hot.

Seriously if I knew more about subs at the time I WOULD have not have bought this knowing it was a 2.5" coil, single sewn leads (non woven), 2 spiders etc. I woulda just bought an AQ or soemthing but now im off topic and ranting a bit and for that I apoligize it just heated me up a little that Dave would come in here and TRY to defend himself in the wrong.

[hispls]

Better in reverse has a tc9 that takes 2k rms on a 3" coil

And I've run a pair of TC-2000's off a Stetsom 7K

Clamp a true 1500W sine wave to that and let me know how long it lasts. Probably a while, but it will burn eventually....better yet, try it with a clipped sine wave.

I have a 12" sub that "takes" over 6KW.....at above 50hz and for about a minute and a half before the coil went slinky. Personally I would say over 1200W to a 3" coil at your own risk. Know what you're doing and understand a woofer's limits and you'll do allright, but expecting a 3" coil to not get hot with an amp that runs 1500W at 10% distortion is absurd and IMO companies either shouldn't rate woofers that high, or have a thermal and mechanical rating (separately).

[dumple]

your fault for using a "faulty" subwoofer and then complaining

[Ninesvnsicks]

IF you look at the video this is a year ago when I first got it (loud huh?) as you can see no bottoming out or distorting (you cant hear it but the tinsel is slapping like a ***** in this video.) You can also see how I state 13.5v (this is idle) and 1000rms. Yeah I'm lying huh?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PzliPwMZ_w
Hey that dash loos familiar hehe and I played the same song when I first got my sa-12's in my jeep lol. I really need to take a video of my setup to see what it does not sure where to go to do it I don't want to **** off the neighbor lol. Let me ask you do you have comps in the front?

[TheUnderFighter]

Chill man, you don't gotta keep repeating yourself, if people don't wanna believe what you said, so be it.
PSI did say he could offer to warranty it and get ya a new one it sounded like though? I woulda just jumped on that. Either way, you've made your point. You're not looking for a refund. I'm not trying to hate on you or anything (I'm actually quite impressed and jealous of your electrical system), but if you are looking to make a home at this new forum, just trying to help ya out.

[TeamPSI]

Jesse,
I am going to post one last time, in an effort to clarify some things that you seemingly still do not "get". I'm just going to quote you, then reply.


Well at first I was happy with my 18" it friggin slammed I thanked him like no other haha then it started heating upa nd I explained how I set it up and he said: "you're clipping it back it down." So I backed it down it still got warm and was barely even loud, so I hooked it upto a DMM to see what voltage I was getting and it was around 800-1000rms (STILL GETTING WARM) so I explained to him my voltage, my amplifier and everyhting ive tried and he told me it was the amplifier.... So I bought a DC 1.2K and it STILL got warm off 800-1000RMS. BTW I DIDNT BREAK the tinsel it was either broken when I got it or the subwoofer just couldnt handle the power and it broke or something.

What I told you then, and will tell you now, is that you were clipping the amplifier. It has just as much to do with amplifier and headunit settings, batteries, alternators, and wiring than it does with the actual amplifier itself. Running out and buying a DC1200 watt amplifier will not alleviate clipping issues.

Just as you are doing now, you didn't take the time to listen to what was actually said. You were never told that buying a new amp would solve your issues. In fact, you may have worsened the problem with a bigger amp.




I explained to him the subwoofer could NOT handle 1600RMS daily and that I wanted him to fix it (NOT A REFUND) I even offered to send it back so he could see for himself and he insisted I had to pay shipping both ways (80$+) I said **** that when I can get a recone for $40 more..

As with any shipped product, you are responsible for paying the cost to return it in a warranty situation. We are not alone in this policy. Most any manufacturer is going to have you pay to ship an item back.

What you were told about the shipping fees on the way back was that you would have to pay the shipping IF we did not warranty the failure. If we had warranted it, we would have paid the cost to ship it. We never got that far though, since you never sent it to us.


heh. Point is dave knew he was in the wrong and blamed ME and my amplifier for it,

No, I blamed your install completely, not the amplifier solely. Your amplifier settings were completely incorrect from the get-go. Poor settings and insufficient equipment are the root causes of the sub's issues.



Also he SAID it would have sewn leads I didn't realize until now actually that it said they aren't I paid extra for those spiders and those leads,

They ARE sewn leads. I do not understand why you cannot see that they are clearly sewn to the spider. We DO NOT use spiders with leads interwoven into them, if that's what you expected.



I also paid extra for a Daily 1600RMS subwoofer even though it was only a platform 1. I could have gotten a platform 2 with bigger magnet and coil for that price now since he changed the platform prices.


I am also baffled as to why you do not get this... Your sub IS A PLATFORM 2 18". It was called a Platform 1 when you ordered it. It is now called a Platform 2. If you ordered a Platform 2 18" from us today, you would get the subwoofer that you got a year ago. Only the name has changed.

Once again, your sub was a 2010 model Platform 1 18", which is now referred to as a Platform 2.

If you had bought a Platform 2 in 2010, you would have been buying what is now the Platform 3.

Our new Platform 1 is smaller than the sub that you bought from us. It is slightly bigger than you DC Level 3 motor.



How did he CLEAR his name? because he came back and spewed a bunch of crap? and how am I a crybaby? because I was ripped off? I'm not the first bud. Dave how about you clear your name by repairing my subwoofer for free bud? nah didn't think so.

Maybe if you had actually sent it back before wall-socketing it, and calling me and my company a rip off. ;)

You get more flies with honey than you do vinegar.



First off I was semi noob at the time and you TOOK advantage of me.

YES, and no.


Second you said that box was fine and it would handle lows fine below 27hz and 7cft. 3rd YOU said I bottomed the subwoofer out I DID NOT, you blamed everything on my and my amplifier without a second of blame for yourself. Explain why your subwoofer can't handle what smaller woofers can? Explain why it broke when I've NEVER blown a subwoofer, explain how it was HOT off less power than 1600RMS daily. You can't , stop trying to rob your customers I've had 4 or 5 people on facebook tell me they have had similar problems and opted for new subs.

I believe that I have explained all of this to you, multiple times.


So you gave me a 2.5" 4 layer coil and expected it to handle 1600rms daily?!...

The coil is a 3" diameter coil. If you read what I posted, it is 2.5" LONG. If your info is correct about your new DC Level 3 (w/ LVL4 coil).... it has a slightly smaller coil than what we sent you. ;)



Not only that I ASKED for 3 spiders igaf if they were 9" or not you didnt give me 3 spiders and you never told me you werent adding the 3rd. I will not be buying from you again and a lot of others I told about this will not be, everyone here can think what they want but I hardly think you justified yourself.

3 spiders would have been too much for your sub. It would have performed worse with an additional spider, not better! You'd have gotten less output with another spider, and would have clipped the amp even faster trying to get it moving.

You blame the coil for not being good enough, due to excessive clipping.
You blame the spiders for there not being enough of them, which really has no relation to the heat issue.
You blame the sewn leads for not being sewn.


I stopped talking to you because I wasn't getting anywhere I'm not rude by nature but it annoys me that you think you can take advantage of people, you using cheap parts must be why 5-10 others have complained and this topic has almost 30 likes, stop trying to fool people man.

We actually sell parts to other companies, companies that you seem to approve of! ;) Our parts are as good or better than anyone else's man. You can claim whatever you'd like, but you really have no idea about what parts are cheap, and which ones aren't. I can buy the cones that DC uses for less than what we buy ours for.... if that makes you feel any better.


It's funny concidering my DC's take more power alone than your 18" did isn't that weird?! huh and its funny because YOU SAID "This 18" will sound BETTER and perform BETTER than ANY DC you can get in the price range." Funny concidering my DC for only $180 tools on it... I can put 1600 on my DC and clip them and they barely get warm, your sub off 1000rms got hella hot.

People who are a little more "in the know" are laughing loudly at this statement Jesse. Ask around about where the DC's products came from. I know plenty about them.

If you have TWO DC Level 3's, I surely hope that they will handle more combined power than a single one of our mid-line subs.


YOu ASSUMED I bottomed the woofer out you have ZERO proof, I was working with you for awhile trying to fix it in the end it was YOUR FAULT.

Again, I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I disagree. I feel that your issues arose from inexperience, and that as the seller, we did what we should have to assist you. You were offered advice on how to fix the issue. Some of it you took, some you didn't.

You should have sent the subwoofer back 6 months ago when we spoke about it. It is not my place to force you to send it back. You've said already that money is no object in your life, so getting it to us should not have been an issue. If the sub had been sent to us, we would all have the real story about what part failed, if it had been bottomed out, if it had been overpowered, etc. All of this is easily learned by cutting the sub apart.... WITHOUT plugging it into the wall beforehand.

Anyway...

Maybe you've learned some more about systems, products, and how to install them since then. Maybe you will never have another issue with any piece of audio equipment from now on. Hopefully so man!

Best of luck to you, and goodbye.

David


Oh, and PS - You've been blocked from our Facbook because of posting childish comments in our posts. Like the lovely "JUNK" that I just got done deleting from our page, righ before blocking you.

[grimreper912003]

Well Im glad Im not the only one that labels the pieces of the box when I build lol.

Didny you meter the coils once is started acting up? Thats usually the first thing I do. A bad tinsel will read open or read high especially when you push on the cone.

[dumple]

Well Im glad Im not the only one that labels the pieces of the box when I build lol.

Didny you meter the coils once is started acting up? Thats usually the first thing I do. A bad tinsel will read open or read high especially when you push on the cone.
bet he didnt just jumped to throwing accusations and slander, then wall socketed the other coil, if by chance a solider came undone from the coil it would have prolly been covered and youd be happy and non cry baby....

[grimreper912003]

Depending on when he bought the sub its possible. I remember Dave had a tinsel lead come loose on a Massive Audio DMX recone a year or two ago and guess what, he took care of it :)

[Fi_]

Jesse,
I am going to post one last time, in an effort to clarify some things that you seemingly still do not "get". I'm just going to quote you, then reply.



What I told you then, and will tell you now, is that you were clipping the amplifier. It has just as much to do with amplifier and headunit settings, batteries, alternators, and wiring than it does with the actual amplifier itself. Running out and buying a DC1200 watt amplifier will not alleviate clipping issues.

Just as you are doing now, you didn't take the time to listen to what was actually said. You were never told that buying a new amp would solve your issues. In fact, you may have worsened the problem with a bigger amp.





As with any shipped product, you are responsible for paying the cost to return it in a warranty situation. We are not alone in this policy. Most any manufacturer is going to have you pay to ship an item back.

What you were told about the shipping fees on the way back was that you would have to pay the shipping IF we did not warranty the failure. If we had warranted it, we would have paid the cost to ship it. We never got that far though, since you never sent it to us.



No, I blamed your install completely, not the amplifier solely. Your amplifier settings were completely incorrect from the get-go. Poor settings and insufficient equipment are the root causes of the sub's issues.




They ARE sewn leads. I do not understand why you cannot see that they are clearly sewn to the spider. We DO NOT use spiders with leads interwoven into them, if that's what you expected.





I am also baffled as to why you do not get this... Your sub IS A PLATFORM 2 18". It was called a Platform 1 when you ordered it. It is now called a Platform 2. If you ordered a Platform 2 18" from us today, you would get the subwoofer that you got a year ago. Only the name has changed.

Once again, your sub was a 2010 model Platform 1 18", which is now referred to as a Platform 2.

If you had bought a Platform 2 in 2010, you would have been buying what is now the Platform 3.

Our new Platform 1 is smaller than the sub that you bought from us. It is slightly bigger than you DC Level 3 motor.




Maybe if you had actually sent it back before wall-socketing it, and calling me and my company a rip off. ;)

You get more flies with honey than you do vinegar.




YES, and no.



I believe that I have explained all of this to you, multiple times.



The coil is a 3" diameter coil. If you read what I posted, it is 2.5" LONG. If your info is correct about your new DC Level 3 (w/ LVL4 coil).... it has a slightly smaller coil than what we sent you. ;)




3 spiders would have been too much for your sub. It would have performed worse with an additional spider, not better! You'd have gotten less output with another spider, and would have clipped the amp even faster trying to get it moving.

You blame the coil for not being good enough, due to excessive clipping.
You blame the spiders for there not being enough of them, which really has no relation to the heat issue.
You blame the sewn leads for not being sewn.



We actually sell parts to other companies, companies that you seem to approve of! ;) Our parts are as good or better than anyone else's man. You can claim whatever you'd like, but you really have no idea about what parts are cheap, and which ones aren't. I can buy the cones that DC uses for less than what we buy ours for.... if that makes you feel any better.



People who are a little more "in the know" are laughing loudly at this statement Jesse. Ask around about where the DC's products came from. I know plenty about them.

If you have TWO DC Level 3's, I surely hope that they will handle more combined power than a single one of our mid-line subs.



Again, I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I disagree. I feel that your issues arose from inexperience, and that as the seller, we did what we should have to assist you. You were offered advice on how to fix the issue. Some of it you took, some you didn't.

You should have sent the subwoofer back 6 months ago when we spoke about it. It is not my place to force you to send it back. You've said already that money is no object in your life, so getting it to us should not have been an issue. If the sub had been sent to us, we would all have the real story about what part failed, if it had been bottomed out, if it had been overpowered, etc. All of this is easily learned by cutting the sub apart.... WITHOUT plugging it into the wall beforehand.

Anyway...

Maybe you've learned some more about systems, products, and how to install them since then. Maybe you will never have another issue with any piece of audio equipment from now on. Hopefully so man!

Best of luck to you, and goodbye.

David


Oh, and PS - You've been blocked from our Facbook because of posting childish comments in our posts. Like the lovely "JUNK" that I just got done deleting from our page, righ before blocking you.


Blah Blah Blah Blah... You make me Angry mr. dave. Blame my install all you want I have 4 videos here with great installs no problems and tons of people to back my claims and ill have more videos once I dig them up. Your site shows the Platform 2 having a different magnet you can TELL I'm not stupid. MAYBE if you READ you would see I RAN ONE DC LEVEL 3 off 1500RMS and it didnt get warm compared to your 18". and point is you MAY have warrantied it but I could tell by your smug attitude like now that you blame everyone on other people I'm beggining to wonder if you've ever actually warrantied a subwoofer fully. and believe me they'll all have the TRUE story when I take videos of the cone and basket etc, dont you worry my friend ;D youll see no signs of bottom out but you will see the broken tinsel under the dustcap! :D Like I said I wasnt about to pay almost $80 in shipping just for you to claim its my fault or some **** I'm all set I'd rather have a DC recone anyways and do it myself since I know it will be done right. Funny thing is if DC is SO BAD then why are my DC's 10x better and cheaper huh?

and man I was quoted from you ona recone and then on an XL (WITH 3 SPIDERS) and the XL was LESS and was said to HANDLE more than what yours said (id hope so since they actually PROVIDE 3" coils not crappy 2.5" coils) WAIT I thought you said you couldnt recone my 15" TYPE R because it has a 2.5" coil? hmmm... lies?

You blame my install whenI've done many with no problems
You blame my electrical when I sat @ 14v
You blame my box (for bottoming out) when you OK'd it and no other subs have bottomed out in it.
You blame me for not sending it back to make sure it was user error (why would I when I recone it way cheaper myself and find the problem myself?)

Point is you're right man I should have sent it back so you could admit it was your fault my bad, but the fact is I can prove all that on my own so it's no problem to me. and funny you tell me it would have performed worse (which I actually already know thats kinda the irony) but you told me A 3rd SPIDER would make ZERO difference to the sub just allow better handling for the cone NOW you say it would PERFORM worse?! where were these words when I was getting the sub made?

Once again , you scam people. I'm done defending myself as the last poster said I'll get more nuthugging haters than friends with this topic and I intend to stay here as a member so I will stop lol I'm just going to keep providing proof to back me.

[Fi_]

your fault for using a "faulty" subwoofer and then complaining

Yes it's my fault for not giving a crap haha right? Thats kinda why I wall socketed it. I'm complaining that it wasnt worth it to ship it back it was gimped enuff I decided his services were no longer needed.

[Fi_]

bet he didnt just jumped to throwing accusations and slander, then wall socketed the other coil, if by chance a solider came undone from the coil it would have prolly been covered and youd be happy and non cry baby....

Nope I did meter it called dave told him a coil stopped reading, thats when he started blaming me for it lol (he knew i didnt know wtf a mushroomed coil was.) now I know what I didnt know and now I know it's BS hence why I made this **** topic again. One read 2.0 perfect the other read 0.0 but the woofer ALWAYS got hot even before the coil broke.

[grimreper912003]

You didnt meter it, so how do you know what the coils read? lol

[dumple]

blah blah blah blah... You make me angry mr. Dave. Blame my install all you want i have 4 videos here with great installs no problems and tons of people to back my claims and ill have more videos once i dig them up. Your site shows the platform 2 having a different magnet you can tell i'm not stupid. Maybe if you read you would see i ran one dc level 3 off 1500rms and it didnt get warm compared to your 18". And point is you may have warrantied it but i could tell by your smug attitude like now that you blame everyone on other people i'm beggining to wonder if you've ever actually warrantied a subwoofer fully. And believe me they'll all have the true story when i take videos of the cone and basket etc, dont you worry my friend ;d youll see no signs of bottom out but you will see the broken tinsel under the dustcap! :d like i said i wasnt about to pay almost $80 in shipping just for you to claim its my fault or some **** i'm all set i'd rather have a dc recone anyways and do it myself since i know it will be done right. Funny thing is if dc is so bad then why are my dc's 10x better and cheaper huh?

And man i was quoted from you ona recone and then on an xl (with 3 spiders) and the xl was less and was said to handle more than what yours said (id hope so since they actually provide 3" coils not crappy 2.5" coils) wait i thought you said you couldnt recone my 15" type r because it has a 2.5" coil? Hmmm... Lies?

You blame my install wheni've done many with no problems
you blame my electrical when i sat @ 14v
you blame my box (for bottoming out) when you ok'd it and no other subs have bottomed out in it.
You blame me for not sending it back to make sure it was user error (why would i when i recone it way cheaper myself and find the problem myself?)

point is you're right man i should have sent it back so you could admit it was your fault my bad, but the fact is i can prove all that on my own so it's no problem to me. And funny you tell me it would have performed worse (which i actually already know thats kinda the irony) but you told me a 3rd spider would make zero difference to the sub just allow better handling for the cone now you say it would perform worse?! Where were these words when i was getting the sub made?

Once again , you scam people. I'm done defending myself as the last poster said i'll get more nuthugging haters than friends with this topic and i intend to stay here as a member so i will stop lol i'm just going to keep providing proof to back me.

you had a 3 inch coil moron

[Bosstradamus]

OP your an idiot for real,the coil was 2.5" long,he stated that twice. It was a 3" coil you *******,your yelling DC this,DC that,when i heard PSI actual designed those subs,so if that's true you look even worse. You blew the sub on purpose,you say you have money then why are you acting like a broke *** *****? It's your fault,please leave the forum now!

[Fi_]

W/e I had a 3" coil I missread sue me like I said I'm hella tired and I'm not DC this DC that more like DC, FI, AA, AQ this and that Guess I'm a DC fanboy huh? I will NOT leave the forum haha no thanks I like it here :D and broke *** ***** did you not SEE my video? of my 2 story house, brand new vehicles, garage, boat, pool, yard with 20,000$ in decorations, yeah I'm broke... I blew it on purpose because it was junk and not worth my time. and yeah I did meter it LOL ask Dave he'll tell you I did cause I called.

and how am I acting like a broke *** ***** once again? because I am saving people from buying this OP equipment? If I was 16 again with my 7$ an hour job and this happened **** right I'd be bitching like a broke ***. Think of it as helping people not harming people :D Im getting tired and taking this a bit too far and getting off subject, you guys here dont seem to like facts very much huh? guess ill have to make stuff up like dave does and DAVE dont you worry man you lost about $5000 easy because of me so far bro :D I wont be buying your **** ever again, end topic. / and I also heard PSI designed RE subs right? or Dave made them, wtf happened dave? getting money hungry? all your competitors are a better buy imo.

[grimreper912003]

I actually only saw a House worth about 200k in the country, an older jeep,and older ford, a flat bottom AL boat and some other things.

[Fi_]

I actually only saw a House worth about 200k in the country, an older jeep,and older ford, a flat bottom AL boat and some other things.

Not bad for someone whos only 22 years old huh? and that ford has about 7k in upgrades done to it : Rims, Lift, Tires, System , Alt/Engine upgrade etc. etc. The boat is for HUNTING FYI it the hunting boat lol my new boat is a Ski Boat paid about 5k for it. and a 200k house in the country is a ******* LOT if this house was in NJ itd go for almost 300k. and the jeep is my beater lol it now has 33" super swampers a 3" lift and many other **** things :D I also just bought a Regal for the **** of it and I bought my girl that Mountaineer.

You also didn't see the MXZ 500 (my girls) and the XCR 800 with quad pipes , a aftermarket throttles/clutch and pipes those were 6k together) and the 2 dirtbikes a 250CR and a 250 Yamaha (about 3k a piece) and the 4 wheeler I have...

Yeah im a broke sum *****.

Funny thing is I'm about to be sponsored by DC (i think?) and I own half the rights to Sound Resort (local audio shop) I learned all my **** by experience and reading (1 year doesnt seem like much but I learned how to c++ got an A+ cert and learned how to build computers in less than a year, so systems was a breeze.) I'm not bragging but yeah if you want to call me a broke idiotic sum ***** then go ahead.

and if i mess statements up or words or missread something it's because I'm answering responses with full detail, I'm not a liar and it WASNT my fault, I'm clearly explaining all of this. I could BUY PSI lol why do I honestly care? I'm looking out for YOU guys but hey none of you CARE so close my thread lol. I'm tired anyways/ and apparently when I leave my topic for more than 5 minutes I'm concidered a Liar and a Fake and a noob.

[grimreper912003]

Im sorry to say this but, Did you pay cash for all of it? If not technically the bank owns it.

Still doesnt matter as bragging about money is stupid. I know 2 people worth millions, yet you would never know it.

[Fi_]

Im sorry to say this but, Did you pay cash for all of it? If not technically the bank owns it.

Still doesnt matter as bragging about money is stupid. I know 2 people worth millions, yet you would never know it.

KNowing people worth millions isn't hard I know a ton lol my girlfriends mom is marrying this dude because he makes a million dollars a Year his name is Steve and hes the head man for Lean Six Sigma and is a master black belt meaning he tells companies like Dell how to run their business more efficiently so they make more money lol. I'm just saying I could carre less I could buy 6 BTL's right now if I wanted but I don't thats why I own so many good things :D

nvm missread i need to go you're right fighting over money is stupid it aint ****. I was broke a few years ago.

[dumple]

your still a stereo noob.... nooob

[ahole-ic]

KNowing people worth millions isn't hard I know a ton lol my girlfriends mom is marrying this dude because he makes a million dollars a Year his name is Steve and hes the head man for Lean Six Sigma and is a master black belt meaning he tells companies like Dell how to run their business more efficiently so they make more money lol. I'm just saying I could carre less I could buy 6 BTL's right now if I wanted but I don't thats why I own so many good things :D
Quoted for douchebaggery.

[Fi_]

your still a stereo noob.... nooob

I believe the correct term is Mobile Audio... Noob.

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Quoted for stupidy >.>

[dumple]

I believe the correct term is Mobile Audio... Noob.

---------- Post added at 11:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:16 PM ----------

Quoted for stupidy >.>

lol, hey im about to hit up SI/sundown for them to fix my 8 year old subwoofer because i blew the coils being an asshat think i should have to pay anything?!?!?!

[murph]

this has gotten out of hand... anyways either side of the story they both fucked up so there you go

[Fi_]

lol, hey im about to hit up SI/sundown for them to fix my 8 year old subwoofer because i blew the coils being an asshat think i should have to pay anything?!?!?!

No that would be stupid broski, how does that compare to my situation? lmfao.

[ahole-ic]

lol, hey im about to hit up SI/sundown for them to fix my 8 year old subwoofer because i blew the coils being an asshat think i should have to pay anything?!?!?!

Definitely not. You should probably start a thread whining and moaning. Try to get support from fellow members and then when you fail try to make yourself feel better by being a super dbag. Act like you're in a rap video by talking about all this stuff you have, lie about some stuff, drop some names.... make it fake rain up in here!

[Fi_]

this has gotten out of hand... anyways either side of the story they both fucked up so there you go

I'm willing to live with that, let bygones be icons right?

[Fi_]

Definitely not. You should probably start a thread whining and moaning. Try to get support from fellow members and then when you fail try to make yourself feel better by being a super dbag. Act like you're in a rap video by talking about all this stuff you have, lie about some stuff, drop some names.... make it fake rain up in here!

I've gotten quite a bit of support you'd be surprised at my inbox lol... should I prnt/scrn it? I just joined too >.> anyways thats not what I want ugh, w/e you fail to see my point in this threat so oh well... and yeah im whining and moaning so badly. Drop some names? really man? do you wanna talk to the guy? ill have him add you on facebook or twitter lmao.

and im not acting like anything the guy said im a broke ***** wtf? I'm not allowed to prove him wrong? LOL ok... sweet logic. I actually rap heh weird you said that... and fake rain? I AM NOT RICH I just think I work hard and save and I'm proud of myself sorry... I work at dearborns under my dad who basically owns it, I cheated alittle in life sorry guys.

[murph]

I can only imagine if this was in the thunderdome...

[Fi_]

I can only imagine if this was in the thunderdome...

that place is nuts I wouldn't dare.

[Fi_]

Lets close this or something I dont like drama lock it w/e idc. I figured there would be a lot but now its getting personal and off topic so **** it.

[murph]

oh btw welcome to the forums when this thread is way back in the archives everyone will forgot anyways

[Fi_]

oh btw welcome to the forums when this thread is way back in the archives everyone will forgot anyways

haha word thanks

[tommyk90]

Thread closed as the issues have been resolved as far as I can tell.