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Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 10:30 PM
Shipped "rideit" a rockford r1000-1d in mint condition some time last week iirc. He received the amp today and pm'd me saying the amp has heavy cosmetic damage and there are signs of arcing. The only time this amp was used was when I tested it before I shipped it out just to double check, and there was no arcing or fuse blowing of any sorts. He said he has pics of the heavy damage and that he was going to send them over half an hour ago, but I haven't received any pictures. I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but he has under 20 posts with 0 feedback. I have 3 local buddies here who can attest to the amp working and being in mint condition, one of those is forum member "Ensalada".

mylows10
11-09-2011, 10:34 PM
he's also talking crap on caco too

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 10:36 PM
About me specifically or someone else? He said he wants a full refund with an extra $30 to have it shipped back lol

useless idiot
11-09-2011, 10:38 PM
He needs to upload pics then. It very well could've been damaged during shipment.

---------- Post added at 10:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:37 PM ----------


About me specifically or someone else? He said he wants a full refund with an extra $30 to have it shipped back lol

:nerd:

mylows10
11-09-2011, 10:38 PM
here's the post Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/buyer-seller-trader-beware/104216-anyone-deal-kangaroux-another-forum.html)

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 10:39 PM
I can't view it.

Imtjnotu
11-09-2011, 10:39 PM
Well without knowing his half I can't make any Conclusions but I will say Jessie has always been a good member here.... I doubt he would send anything fuckked up

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 10:42 PM
Well without knowing his half I can't make any Conclusions but I will say Jessie has always been a good member here.... I doubt he would send anything fuckked up

:rage:

Imtjnotu
11-09-2011, 10:44 PM
Jessie did u check the date of delivery?

Imtjnotu
11-09-2011, 10:46 PM
Jessie

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 10:47 PM
Shipped out 11/2/11, arrived at his house today at 3:14 P.M. Was shipped to Wyoming from Maine so it took a while, not to mention it hit in the middle of the weekend.

prevail
11-09-2011, 10:50 PM
Jessie posted to me:
"I took the amp outta the packaging and tested it, worked 100% flawlessly. There were no signs of any kind of abuse. You can PM ensalada if you want, he was the one who received the amp in the trade. I was there with him and we traded some stuff locally for the rockford. "

I replied:
I would be happy to, in fact, I also would like to call him, and you, and record the conversations. Are you cool with that?

Imtjnotu
11-09-2011, 10:50 PM
I want pics I know u know how to while an amp I doubt it was a you issue

Oh6AcCoRd
11-09-2011, 10:52 PM
I want pics I know u know how to while an amp I doubt it was a you issue

Lolwut,tj

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 10:52 PM
Jessie posted to me:
"I took the amp outta the packaging and tested it, worked 100% flawlessly. There were no signs of any kind of abuse. You can PM ensalada if you want, he was the one who received the amp in the trade. I was there with him and we traded some stuff locally for the rockford. "

I replied:
I would be happy to, in fact, I also would like to call him, and you, and record the conversations. Are you cool with that?

Actually, you replied with:

"Why not?
Sounds pretty dishonest on your part, Jessie."

You can PM Ensalada who was the one who received the amp in the first place but I'm not giving out anyone's #. It's personal information and I only like to communicate over PM's here.

prevail
11-09-2011, 10:53 PM
Some more insulting Pm, that don't actually even make any sense, and are pretty ridiculous.

I asked for his phone #:, he replied:
"I don't give out personal information like that, especially not my phone number. We can communicate just fine over PM "

To which I replied:
"Apparently you can't. And that is just not how honest adults approach situations like this. Do you see how that looks?"
He can call me anytime, or even come and visit. I am a straight shooter.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-09-2011, 10:55 PM
I'm not talking to you on the phone.... Jesse has perfect feedback and I hang with him almost daily, he's a good guy.. You have less than 20 posts in almost a year, you're full of **** bro :fyi:

Imtjnotu
11-09-2011, 10:55 PM
Lolwut,tj

....damnn auto correct on my phone

Ninesvnsicks
11-09-2011, 10:58 PM
Some more insulting Pm, that don't actually even make any sense, and are pretty ridiculous.

I asked for his phone #:, he replied:
"I don't give out personal information like that, especially not my phone number. We can communicate just fine over PM "

To which I replied:
"Apparently you can't. And that is just not how honest adults approach situations like this. Do you see how that looks?"
He can call me anytime, or even come and visit. I am a straight shooter.

So your the one who bought the amp and you are saying you received it with cosmetic issues and signs of arcing is this correct? The thread is a little confusing.

Shinju
11-09-2011, 10:58 PM
Photos need to be had, also Kang, did you take down the serial number to verify that it is your amp that was damaged in shipping?

No photos = worthless claim and a waste of time.

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 10:58 PM
Some more insulting Pm, that don't actually even make any sense, and are pretty ridiculous.

I asked for his phone #:, he replied:
"I don't give out personal information like that, especially not my phone number. We can communicate just fine over PM "

To which I replied:
"Apparently you can't. And that is just not how honest adults approach situations like this. Do you see how that looks?"
He can call me anytime, or even come and visit. I am a straight shooter.

I don't own a cellphone which would mean I would be sending you my house phone, and I'm definitely not giving you a relative's cell #. If I've ever ran into a problem on here I've settled it through PM's, I don't see why you can't do the same.

useless idiot
11-09-2011, 10:59 PM
Some more insulting Pm, that don't actually even make any sense, and are pretty ridiculous.

I asked for his phone #:, he replied:
"I don't give out personal information like that, especially not my phone number. We can communicate just fine over PM "

To which I replied:
"Apparently you can't. And that is just not how honest adults approach situations like this. Do you see how that looks?"
He can call me anytime, or even come and visit. I am a straight shooter.

Post pictures of the amplifier & delivery box in question or GTFO & STFU.

Imtjnotu
11-09-2011, 11:00 PM
I don't see how from shipping there could be arcing signs and such.....if there are members here who witnessed the amp before shipping being in good condition then it's either the buyers fault for hooking it up wrong or someone during shipping decided to try it out





Ride it do u have pics of the amp?

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:00 PM
So your the one who bought the amp and you are saying you received it with cosmetic issues and signs of arcing is this correct? The thread is a little confusing.

The amp was received in a trade between Ensalada and a local over in NH. The amp was given to us in full packaging and was only used to test it to make sure it worked. When the amp left my house to be shipped it was in mint condition.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-09-2011, 11:01 PM
I'm disturbed he wants me to go there to chit chat about it... Lol stranger danger

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:02 PM
I don't see how from shipping there could be arcing signs and such.....if there are members here who witnessed the amp before shipping being in good condition then it's either the buyers fault for hooking it up wrong or someone during shipping decided to try it out





Ride it do u have pics of the amp?

He PM'd me pictures of the amp and he claims the bass knob is ripped open and has a lot of scuffs. The bass knob was in packaging and looked perfectly fine, as well as the amp.

Ninesvnsicks
11-09-2011, 11:03 PM
The amp was received in a trade between Ensalada and a local over in NH. The amp was given to us in full packaging and was only used to test it to make sure it worked. When the amp left my house to be shipped it was in mint condition.
Ok so basically you shipped rideit the amp and he is saying it has issues?

pro-rabbit
11-09-2011, 11:03 PM
Photos need to be had, also Kang, did you take down the serial number to verify that it is your amp that was damaged in shipping?

No photos = worthless claim and a waste of time.

There is a clear picture in his FS thread and the number is visible on the paper work. Also there are good pics of the amp in question.

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:04 PM
Ok so basically you shipped rideit the amp and he is saying it has issues?

Yes the amp was shipped as BNIB (I guess you could consider it LNIB since it was tested) but nonetheless it was no where near the condition he is describing it as.

dumple
11-09-2011, 11:06 PM
this thread is boo

Oh6AcCoRd
11-09-2011, 11:07 PM
I took all those pics in person. I just don't have a computer or I would post the thread for myself. Kangaroux was nice enough to post the fs thread for me. The amp was 9.5/10 condition JUST because it had been out of the box to test. The thing was nice, looked flawless. The bass knob was in the plastic baggie, the one it came in. The buyer has to be full of ****, because me and kangaroux were there when I received it.

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:07 PM
For the sake of verification, here is the link to the FS thread: http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/526685-bnib-rockford-r1000-1d.html

Serial #:
http://i.imgur.com/Ow1lY.jpg

Amp in the packaging:
http://i.imgur.com/hVFxV.jpg

Bass knob which he claims to be torn up:
http://i.imgur.com/eMXm7.jpg

Imtjnotu
11-09-2011, 11:08 PM
Ya check the serial I'm gonna call bullshitt on this one

Ninesvnsicks
11-09-2011, 11:08 PM
ok then yup all that is left is to see pics of these issues and we will know nice and simple. Pro-rabbit said there's pics of the amp before shipment so just compare although there's no way to tell if the user did the damage himself or shipping did. Was the amp shipped with insured shipping maybe they will pay for it.

prevail
11-09-2011, 11:09 PM
Ok so basically you shipped rideit the amp and he is saying it has issues?

That's it in a nutshell. I replied firmly yet courteously that I wanted my money back, and shipping for the PITA on my end for an amp that looked pretty beat (as the pics attest). He replied with insults, basically. All I want is my money back.

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:11 PM
I do not believe the amp was insured, I never insure stuff unless specifically asked to.

Ninesvnsicks
11-09-2011, 11:12 PM
That's it in a nutshell. I replied firmly yet courteously that I wanted my money back, and shipping for the PITA on my end for an amp that looked pretty beat (as the pics attest). He replied with insults, basically. All I want is my money back.

Well can you post some pics of the amp now so we can at least see the damage? It's hard to see if the amp is new looking in the FS pics they are not the best pics. But so far the thread is in favor of the seller without pics of the damage to back it up.

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:12 PM
That's it in a nutshell. I replied firmly yet courteously that I wanted my money back, and shipping for the PITA on my end for an amp that looked pretty beat (as the pics attest). He replied with insults, basically. All I want is my money back.

Unless you have some solid proof that this amp is the same one you received and that you weren't the one who caused the damages I do not think a refund is in order.

dumple
11-09-2011, 11:13 PM
That's it in a nutshell. I replied firmly yet courteously that I wanted my money back, and shipping for the PITA on my end for an amp that looked pretty beat (as the pics attest). He replied with insults, basically. All I want is my money back.

wheres your pics?

Oh6AcCoRd
11-09-2011, 11:13 PM
First he claimed the amp was broken now the bass knob though... Lets get real here.


It's been long enough for him to take pics. I pmd him saying take pics or get out, no response. Its nearly 11:30 pm here. Been hours since he got it no matter what time zone he is in. And if the amp is as bad as he is claiming, I'd assume he would already have pics to follow through with on the paypal claim.

prevail
11-09-2011, 11:14 PM
Hell I posted them TWICE and got a 'mod review' post. Jessie, would you be so kind as to post the ones that I sent you in the meantime?

Shinju
11-09-2011, 11:15 PM
There is a clear picture in his FS thread and the number is visible on the paper work. Also there are good pics of the amp in question.

Serial number on the manual in all honesty means jack, we need a photo from said buyer of the amplifier in question serial number on the amplifier itself. And to be honest the photo of the amplifier itself is not very clear it is not out of the box and not taken out of the styrafoam inserts.

I am not saying that Kang is in the wrong but the photo is not all that good and doesnt clearly show the amplifier end caps before sale imo.

Buyer needs to post photos of said damage and one of the serial number on the bottom of the amp to match it with the one on the manual.

pro-rabbit
11-09-2011, 11:15 PM
That's it in a nutshell. I replied firmly yet courteously that I wanted my money back, and shipping for the PITA on my end for an amp that looked pretty beat (as the pics attest). He replied with insults, basically. All I want is my money back.

So where are your pics? Also, from what I can tell there have been no insults given out. At least not from the quotes that have been posted.

Perhaps taking the correct coarse of actions would help the best in this situation.

You let the seller know there was damage. However there are no pictures. So the next step is to get pics of the amp and the packaging used to ship the amp.

Then you wait to see what happens. Perhaps there is a shipping error where a claim needs to be filed. No one will refund you any money with out proof of damage and such.

Not taking sides really, just saying what needs to be done is all.

prevail
11-09-2011, 11:15 PM
Last try, I have to cut and paste ten or so images AGAIN. And where are my posts of all of our dialogue? I posted ALL of our messages.

Wingsfreak9
11-09-2011, 11:16 PM
rideit i think you're being a major jew right now....id buy from jessie or his buttpal any day things dont just show up with cosmetic issues as long as they were packaged well...also if you dont post pics of what you're trying to prove im just going to find you and piiyb anyways so its either pics or buttsecks you pick.

Ninesvnsicks
11-09-2011, 11:18 PM
Last try, I have to cut and paste ten or so images AGAIN. And where are my posts of all of our dialogue? I posted ALL of our messages.

If you can't figure out how to link the images in the thread just cut and paste the links do something you can clearly post text.

Shinju
11-09-2011, 11:18 PM
Last try, I have to cut and paste ten or so images AGAIN. And where are my posts of all of our dialogue? I posted ALL of our messages.

If you cannot post the photos you can send them to me and I will do it.

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:20 PM
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec6b8d37db800000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec68e17fc5700000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

Not really sure what's wrong with this pic but w/e

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec6843b7d4e00000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec75c2cdc4900000030O08QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec69a7a7d0000000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec718b55dc200000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

prevail
11-09-2011, 11:20 PM
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec69a7a7d0000000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec612c47dfa00000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec75c2cdc4900000030O08QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec6843b7d4e00000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec7a39f9c1d00000030O38QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D3/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec68e17fc5700000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec6b8d37db800000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:20 PM
dbl

Wingsfreak9
11-09-2011, 11:23 PM
if it was bnib how could he have fvcked it up that bad in a matter of hours? lol

prevail
11-09-2011, 11:23 PM
rideit i think you're being a major jew right now....id buy from jessie or his buttpal any day things dont just show up with cosmetic issues as long as they were packaged well...also if you dont post pics of what you're trying to prove im just going to find you and piiyb anyways so its either pics or buttsecks you pick.

It's the 12v spot weld on the ground post that I am concerned with, the rest is just a backstory of lies about the condition of this thing. I don't quibble over bullshyte...but the condition of this amp is BULLSHYTE. "Major Jew"? WTF?

prevail
11-09-2011, 11:24 PM
if it was bnib how could he have fvcked it up that bad in a matter of hours? lol

Exactly.
This came out of the box like this.

brodeisel
11-09-2011, 11:25 PM
I bought probably the last thing from jesse he sold and it came just as expected. He even forgot to ship part of it and sent it to me on his own with his own money.

Imtjnotu
11-09-2011, 11:26 PM
Where is the major damage

Oh6AcCoRd
11-09-2011, 11:26 PM
Exactly.
This came out of the box like this.

You're saying the bass knob was spliced open somehow during shipping...

Shinju
11-09-2011, 11:27 PM
if it was bnib how could he have fvcked it up that bad in a matter of hours? lol

Could be the old switcheroo trick, buyer had one that was messed up saw an oppotunity to get one at a decent price took a chance got it and is now trying to pawn it off as a seller trying to scam me deal.

With out a good photo of the serial number on the amplifier itself this is a moot thread period.

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:29 PM
Could be the old switcheroo trick, buyer had one that was messed up saw an oppotunity to get one at a decent price took a chance got it and is now trying to pawn it off as a seller trying to scam me deal.

With out a good photo of the serial number on the amplifier itself this is a moot thread period.

This is what I suspect is going on. However, the down side to this is if he does in fact have another amp and that's the one in the pictures, he can simply swap the back plates and make it look like the serial # matches the bad amp. Without some sort of video of him physically opening the package and taking out the amp this thread is really going to go no where. The amp was shipped mint, and it arrives in that condition, supposedly. Arcing doesn't just happen during shipping.

Wingsfreak9
11-09-2011, 11:29 PM
It's the 12v spot weld on the ground post that I am concerned with, the rest is just a backstory of lies about the condition of this thing. I don't quibble over bullshyte...but the condition of this amp is BULLSHYTE. "Major Jew"? WTF?

major jew. you heard me little guy.

prevail
11-09-2011, 11:29 PM
Here is a pic of the decal on the bottom, notice it is all worn. And certainly not recently.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec730815de200000030O28QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D2/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

brodeisel
11-09-2011, 11:29 PM
Im calling this ##### a liar


word does not start with a b also

useless idiot
11-09-2011, 11:29 PM
To be honest it's not hard to beat up an item to get your cash back. He could refund you & then you just keep his amp. If you want a refund you'll probably have to ship it to a 3rd party to hold it.

edit: It looks like you are full of BS rideit.

Kangaroux
11-09-2011, 11:31 PM
I appreciate you guys for backing me up however I am super tired so I'm gonna hit the rack. I'll check this thread tomorrow morning.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-09-2011, 11:31 PM
It defys natural physics for a wire to open up like that in shipping.

brodeisel
11-09-2011, 11:34 PM
This guy is wack

prevail
11-09-2011, 11:35 PM
It defys natural physics for a wire to open up like that in shipping.

Exactly. It came that way. And their pics just show it as a blur.
Look, I am 44, I am a professional. I own two homes, I don't fvck around over a $100. Amp. Period.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-09-2011, 11:37 PM
Exactly. It came that way. And their pics just show it as a blur.
Look, I am 44, I am a professional. I own two homes, I don't fvck around over a $100. Amp. Period.

I'm definitely not on your side with this. I don't know what you're getting at but this has nothing to do with how many homes you own, or whatever type of professional you might be. Age also has nothing to do with it.

brodeisel
11-09-2011, 11:37 PM
Id like to see pics of what you are claiming with usernames and date
^

Ninesvnsicks
11-09-2011, 11:45 PM
Id like to see pics of what you are claiming with usernames and date
^

Me too ^^ also the pic of the bottom of the amp you can not see the serial number or anything from the sticker because of glare. You could have just found those pics on google image.

prevail
11-10-2011, 12:23 AM
Me too ^^ also the pic of the bottom of the amp you can not see the serial number or anything from the sticker because of glare. You could have just found those pics on google image.

Alright, then. If you guys honestly think that I am the one scamming here, than why in the HE!! would I be so persistent?
So, I went to take pics with a date, and noticed that not only had the decal on the bottom of the amp been 'rubbed off', it had been picked at by someone other than me as well. Check it out:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec6943b7d4600000030O38QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D3/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec66315bcbb00000030O18QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D1/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec74cfadc9700000030O08QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/


Is there any way to track the serial # from an amp from somewhere other than the decal?
Not ONLY did I get a fairly beat amp, I also am suspecting that it is not 'right'. I know I am the new guy here, but my reputation in all other areas of my life is rock solid. And I can prove that, repeatedly.
I am not 'blaming' Kangaroux, I am just pointing out what I found in this box today, nothing more. I don't own, and have never owned, any RF product in my life until about a month ago, when I bought some shallow subs. (read about it on CACO, I post every thought about my purchases over there). This amp seemed like a good match. It IS that simple. At this point, it's not the amp, it is the principle. And I will go to great lengths to make sure that I get this straightened out, and where this amp came from.

prevail
11-10-2011, 12:27 AM
The amp was received in a trade between Ensalada and a local over in NH. The amp was given to us in full packaging and was only used to test it to make sure it worked. When the amp left my house to be shipped it was in mint condition.

Roux, who was it given to you by?
I would like to get a statement from him.

Imtjnotu
11-10-2011, 12:29 AM
How is something bnib have that warn a label

Shinju
11-10-2011, 12:31 AM
Agree with that statement, That amp was clearly installed and that is wear damage from being on moist carpet (yes I said moist!)

prevail
11-10-2011, 12:39 AM
So then why the hell was it advertised as BNIB?

That is pretty much my only beef. If it had been advertised as even 9/10, I would have let it roll. But this is just ridiculous.

prevail
11-10-2011, 12:45 AM
I'm definitely not on your side with this. I don't know what you're getting at ..

Well, let's start with the name of the person that you got this amp from, and their phone number. I mean, everyone here has nothing to hide, right? Certainly that would be in your interests, ultimately.

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 12:55 AM
Do you have the birth sheet i bet he shipped that to you also

prevail
11-10-2011, 12:57 AM
Do you have the birth sheet i bet he shipped that to you also

It came with one piece of paper, and the (opened) manual. No warranty cards or registration, or any of that.
Pics to come.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec6a0d77db000000030O18QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D1/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

Can we check with RF if the reg. and warranty had been submitted?
I will also check with the local Popo on the serial#.
Does anyone know if there are any marking on the circuit board that would tie this amp to this seral#?

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 01:10 AM
^^^^^^^ i call bs. i think you had a worn amp and want to get your money back

Why So Cereal?
11-10-2011, 01:13 AM
^^^^^^^ i call bs. i think you had a worn amp and want to get your money back

this

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:16 AM
OK, then why am I willing, and ready, to go to these lengths in order to straighten this out, and why are Kangaroux and ensalada dodging and weaving?
I have only just begun.

Do you guys know what Occam's Razor means?
Yup...I recieved the beat amp, and Roux doesn't want to give his money back.
It is THAT simple.
If it was BNIB, where are the warranty and registration cards?
Where was this originally purchased?
By whom?

Why So Cereal?
11-10-2011, 01:22 AM
OK, then why am I willing, and ready, to go to these lengths in order to straighten this out, and why are Kangaroux and ensalada dodging and weaving?
I have only just begun.

same reason some crackhead in the barbershop threatened to call the police on me for not giving her $5.

front!

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:22 AM
^^^^^^^ i call bs. i think you had a worn amp and want to get your money back

Please tell me why I am willing to send this amp back to RF in order to have it specifically tied to this serial # then. Money is not the issue here, trust me.

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:24 AM
same reason some crackhead in the barbershop threatened to call the police on me for not giving her $5.

front!

You clearly lack a grasp of the fact that I actually have the amp they(?) sent me.

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 01:28 AM
if money isnt the issue. go for it. but kangaroux. is one of the most reputable people here. and you seem to try and get alot of BS started. even on caco. what are your previous names i wonder. who have you bought from or sold to. please tell us.

Nut Hair Trick
11-10-2011, 01:28 AM
I always try to do the right thing whether it benefits me or not but let me put a few things out there that might help nip this thing in the bud. Take a look at this thread and pay attention to his original post.
He has an enclosure problem with his current subs. He wants to try a new amp on his enclosure to see if there is any improvement.
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/enclosure-design-construction-help/527172-advice-ford-f150-screw-04-08-ported-sealed-need-better-solution.html
I told him that I have an enclosure that I built myself that I KNOW will perform in that same exact vehicle. Through his thread and PM's, he is all set to buy buy my box if the new amp doesn't produce better results. Well evidently there was no change when he received the new amp, so he messaged me and said "Hey, I'll take the box. Send me a pp addy, and I'll send the total as a gift...".

Now, he has 2 amps, one of them he doesn't need. What is a man to do??? Well, here you have it. He was going to buy my box for $100, so believe me, I have nothing to gain here but the satisfaction that I did the right thing. And yes, I could have used that money.

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 01:30 AM
I always try to do the right thing whether it benefits me or not but let me put a few things out there that might help nip this thing in the bud. Take a look at this thread and pay attention to his original post.
He has an enclosure problem with his current subs. He wants to try a new amp on his enclosure to see if there is any improvement.
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/enclosure-design-construction-help/527172-advice-ford-f150-screw-04-08-ported-sealed-need-better-solution.html
I told him that I have an enclosure that I built myself that I KNOW will perform in that same exact vehicle. Through his thread and PM's, he is all set to buy buy my box if the new amp doesn't produce better results. Well evidently there was no change when he received the new amp, so he messaged me and said "Hey, I'll take the box. Send me a pp addy, and I'll send the total as a gift...".

Now, he has 2 amps, one of them he doesn't need. What is a man to do??? Well, here you have it. He was going to buy my box for $100, so believe me, I have nothing to gain here but the satisfaction that I did the right thing. And yes, I could have used that money.

:popcorn: i turned my pornhub off for this

Why So Cereal?
11-10-2011, 01:30 AM
You clearly lack a grasp of the fact that I actually have the amp they(?) sent me.

point being? no solid proof has been given that the damage was done before you got it, and it definitely could not have happened during shipping. Even if the police are called, its your word against his and his witness in this case. Been in this situation before man, just telling you what youre gonna be told by someone else anyway. Like everyone has told you, you're gonna need more solid proof that Kang did the damage or that the shipping company did it. Otherwise, you're wasting time and energy.

Why So Cereal?
11-10-2011, 01:34 AM
:popcorn: i turned my pornhub off for this

lulz

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:40 AM
We can eliminate the shipping company, it took so f-in' long I think they sent it by sailboat. Yeah, it probably boils down to 'he-said', but I have a LONG history of my word being bond on a dozen forums, for over 12 years. Unassailable. And I am happy to provide any detail about who I am to whomever it matters to...hardly what people who do that kind of crap do. That is just a fact.
Once again, if it had been advertised as 9/10, no problem. But MINT?
Kang's story turned from "Oh, It was Mint" to "well, I sorta looked at it, looked OK", to "well, Ensalada looked at it, he thought it looked good, too", all the way down to "well, I don't know where it came from, some dude that we don't know in NH, uh...I think".

The amount of time that I have spent posting about this vastly exceeds the value of any $100 anything, wouldn't you agree? It's the PRINCIPLE of the thing. And that matters. And it's a shame for this forum, ultimately. I buy a LOT of stuff. Just check out my E-Bay (fairdealsports). 100% positive, something like 50 transactions in the last two months. And those are facts.

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 01:41 AM
dude you need refs right now or you're just shiiting all of us

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 01:44 AM
I think you are one of those new scammers that dont stop

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 01:45 AM
I think you are one of those new scammers that dont stop

i think you're correct sir

Why So Cereal?
11-10-2011, 01:45 AM
We can eliminate the shipping company, it took so f-in' long I think they sent it by sailboat. Yeah, it probably boils down to 'he-said', but I have a LONG history of my word being bond on a dozen forums, for over 12 years. Unassailable. And I am happy to provide any detail about who I am to whomever it matters to...hardly what people who do that kind of crap do. That is just a fact.
Once again, if it had been advertised as 9/10, no problem. But MINT?
Kang's story turned from "Oh, It was Mint" to "well, I sorta looked at it, looked OK", to "well, Ensalada looked at it, he thought it looked good, too", all the way down to "well, I don't know where it came from, some dude that we don't know in NH, uh...I think".

The amount of time that I have spent posting about this vastly exceeds the value of any $100 anything, wouldn't you agree? It's the PRINCIPLE of the thing. And that matters. And it's a shame for this forum, ultimately. I buy a LOT of stuff. Just check out my E-Bay (fairdealsports). 100% positive, something like 50 transactions in the last two months. And those are facts.

all of that being said....































































you still havent proven anything, except maybe your character. But so has Kang.... alot of evidence ITT points against you though just so you know. I'm not taking sides. Just being honest.

Why So Cereal?
11-10-2011, 01:47 AM
I always try to do the right thing whether it benefits me or not but let me put a few things out there that might help nip this thing in the bud. Take a look at this thread and pay attention to his original post.
He has an enclosure problem with his current subs. He wants to try a new amp on his enclosure to see if there is any improvement.
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/enclosure-design-construction-help/527172-advice-ford-f150-screw-04-08-ported-sealed-need-better-solution.html
I told him that I have an enclosure that I built myself that I KNOW will perform in that same exact vehicle. Through his thread and PM's, he is all set to buy buy my box if the new amp doesn't produce better results. Well evidently there was no change when he received the new amp, so he messaged me and said "Hey, I'll take the box. Send me a pp addy, and I'll send the total as a gift...".

Now, he has 2 amps, one of them he doesn't need. What is a man to do??? Well, here you have it. He was going to buy my box for $100, so believe me, I have nothing to gain here but the satisfaction that I did the right thing. And yes, I could have used that money.

and why have you not responded to this?? seems like something you should def address. otherwise, enjoy your amp(s)

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:47 AM
Like what? go check out
w_w_w.tetongravity_com, (I have ~18,000 posts and maybe 1000 transactions since 06'...is that good enough?)

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 01:48 AM
links lazy. im mobile















sent from my smartfone using FVCK YOU

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:48 AM
I just saw that, and Nut hair, that makes no sense. I am going to be running your box no matter what the amp, ( I am planning on running two, one to each sub) I was waiting forever for this one to show up. I haven't done anything with this one besides open it up, saw it was not anywhere near advertised, and have been on this forum all night. I am livid...as anyone esle would be.

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 01:50 AM
Just stop with the lies and already tell us you are in the wrong
We wont hurt you to much.

RAM_Designs
11-10-2011, 01:54 AM
Like what? go check out
w_w_w.tetongravity_com, (I have ~18,000 posts and maybe 1000 transactions since 06'...is that good enough?)

I got screwed by two people with flawless feedback as well, one of them for $400 when I had already bought something from them before...they staright took my money and never came back.

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:56 AM
Just stop with the lies and already tell us you are in the wrong
We wont hurt you to much.

Name a lie, and I'll shred it apart.
So, why won't Kang and Lechuga say where they got the amp?

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:01 AM
they are sleeping probably but you wouldnt like to let people sleep would you.

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:08 AM
Would you let them sleep if you had beed ripped off that same day?
And then accused of having ripped THEM off?
Anyone in that position would be pretty pissed off, too.
I sure am.
(besides, it's only 12 here)

kramer_212
11-10-2011, 02:17 AM
O .o

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:23 AM
Well not like you can go wake them up right now. just gotta wait it out and build ur case

Nut Hair Trick
11-10-2011, 02:24 AM
I just saw that, and Nut hair, that makes no sense. I am going to be running your box no matter what the amp, ( I am planning on running two, one to each sub) I was waiting forever for this one to show up. I haven't done anything with this one besides open it up, saw it was not anywhere near advertised, and have been on this forum all night. I am livid...as anyone esle would be.

I'd rather just hold off until this issue gets resolved. Really, it's nothing against you and I honestly think you're a nice guy. But I felt obligated to post everything I know, just so all the details are out there. You could be in the right, but in situations like this, the board needs to know all the details to protect everyone here that buys and sells.

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:41 AM
I guess that is my point. I am willing to provide ANY detail, down to who I am, and a 10 year track record of honest, positive transactions. It appears to me that Kang is not willing to do the same, in any way. I will go to any length on this. I believe in honorable dealings, and not only do I feel that I have been wronged in the simple misrepresentation, to then be accused of a 'bait and switch' over something that I could buy three times over is just insulting, and is only supported by a 'pile on the new guy' mentality. What possible other details or materials could you (or anyone) provide in order to prove that this amp came to me in this condition? I have the timeline, all of my PM's, the photographs, (including any that anyone has asked for, including snaps with username, etc). In other words, and I ask all of you this, if the situation were such that YOU were in my position, what precisely would (or could) you do in order to 'prove' where you stood?

I do understand the 'flog the newb' thing. We all do it, to a degree. but I have never, EVER left a forum, or even been accused of anything that would cause me to leave any other forum over something like this. I am a bit flabbergasted, really. I am not out to screw anyone, ever. I have answered, and will answer, anything at all asked of me in this matter. It doesn't seem that the other players here are willing to do the same. That in itself says...something, does it not?

Nut Hair Trick
11-10-2011, 02:50 AM
Ok, now to be fair, I have more info that seems to point in the other direction from rideit.
Look at Ensalada's profile and click on username history then look at the thread below.
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/*negative*-feedback/519238-salas868-sketchy-best.html
I felt that I had to even the score to be fair, someone Pm'd me this info so I cant just sit on it. I'm turning the computer off now because I honestly dont want to be the only one running a full scale investigation on this.

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:53 AM
Theres also the possibility of the guy with perfect feedback screwing a new user with no rep here because he knows others will back him and call the new guy a scammer and he will get away with it. Its happened before and im not saying this is the case but most certainly a possibility.

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 02:54 AM
Theres also the possibility of the guy with perfect feedback screwing a new user with no rep here because he knows others will back him and call the new guy a scammer and he will get away with it. Its happened before and im not saying this is the case but most certainly a possibility.

:wave: hi

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:59 AM
:wave: hi

oh herro :bigwave:

prevail
11-10-2011, 03:00 AM
I opened a dispute via PayPal on this a few minutes ago, as well as a PM to the site administrators to look into this further. If there are any other suggestions that anyone has seen in the past with a similar incident, please share them. I can and will provide any information, or even the amp itself, in order to get to the bottom of this. If there are any repair 'experts' that could determine anything about this matter, I am also willing to send it to them for an independent review.
This is NOT about money.
At all.

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 03:10 AM
I opened a dispute via PayPal on this a few minutes ago, as well as a PM to the site administrators to look into this further. If there are any other suggestions that anyone has seen in the past with a similar incident, please share them. I can and will provide any information, or even the amp itself, in order to get to the bottom of this. If there are any repair 'experts' that could determine anything about this matter, I am also willing to send it to them for an independent review.
This is NOT about money.
At all.


If it needs repair I can do it....I have no problem going over the amp and posting all details if need be.

prevail
11-10-2011, 03:19 AM
I don't know if it is broken (I have spent all night on this **** forum instead of doing what we all love, hooking up what I thought was going to be a 'Brand New' amp!). I will test it after this gets resolved, I dont even want to touch this thing for fear of these numbnuts claiming I did something else to it.
If it comes down to it, you are the guy.

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 03:31 AM
I don't know if it is broken (I have spent all night on this **** forum instead of doing what we all love, hooking up what I thought was going to be a 'Brand New' amp!). I will test it after this gets resolved, I dont even want to touch this thing for fear of these numbnuts claiming I did something else to it.
If it comes down to it, you are the guy.

Just let me know. Honestly you might as well just test it. If you are being ripped off they will claim you did something to it anyway. Other option is to just leave it be and ship it back when paypal tells you to.

Imtjnotu
11-10-2011, 05:50 AM
wait wait wait elsalad is salsa!??!!???

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 06:46 AM
Ok, now to be fair, I have more info that seems to point in the other direction from rideit.
Look at Ensalada's profile and click on username history then look at the thread below.
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/*negative*-feedback/519238-salas868-sketchy-best.html
I felt that I had to even the score to be fair, someone Pm'd me this info so I cant just sit on it. I'm turning the computer off now because I honestly dont want to be the only one running a full scale investigation on this.

You have no idea what happened with that situation.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 06:50 AM
You have no idea what happened with that situation.


Also, that thread has nothing to do with it, kangaroux had the amp in his possession.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 07:08 AM
The only thing Ensalada did was get the amp in a trade and took pics of it, that's it. There's no reason he would have used the amp because he was borrowing my Rubicon 2.600 (which is why I just got around to posting pics of it in the build log). Rideit, I really don't appreciate you opening a dispute without us discussing this further. My paypal is blank and I was going to receive some money in a couple days so I could continue my build log.

The situation with Ensalada is something completely different and frankly is not relevant to this thread. I was the one who shipped the amp, not him.

I have straight positive feedback and you can ask the people I've dealt with that I'm an honest man. I love this hobby and the last thing I feel like doing is screwing other people. I honestly don't know what else to tell you other than that amp was shipped from this house in mint condition. If at all possible, I would like if you could lift the paypal claim temporarily until we settle this further. It's the long weekend coming up and I'll finally have some time to work on my build which is practically the only thing I look forward to during the week.

useless idiot
11-10-2011, 07:15 AM
The only thing Ensalada did was get the amp in a trade and took pics of it, that's it. There's no reason he would have used the amp because he was borrowing my Rubicon 2.600 (which is why I just got around to posting pics of it in the build log). Rideit, I really don't appreciate you opening a dispute without us discussing this further. My paypal is blank and I was going to receive some money in a couple days so I could continue my build log.

The situation with Ensalada is something completely different and frankly is not relevant to this thread. I was the one who shipped the amp, not him.

I have straight positive feedback and you can ask the people I've dealt with that I'm an honest man. I love this hobby and the last thing I feel like doing is screwing other people. I honestly don't know what else to tell you other than that amp was shipped from this house in mint condition. If at all possible, I would like if you could lift the paypal claim temporarily until we settle this further. It's the long weekend coming up and I'll finally have some time to work on my build which is practically the only thing I look forward to during the week.

I hope the PayPal account he sent you money from was verified. If it wasn't all he has to do is call his credit card company & tell them it wasn't him, it'll instantly get charged back & you'll have a negative balance.

I battled that situation this past summer & it took months to make PayPal straighten it out. Goodluck.

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 07:17 AM
The only thing Ensalada did was get the amp in a trade and took pics of it, that's it. There's no reason he would have used the amp because he was borrowing my Rubicon 2.600 (which is why I just got around to posting pics of it in the build log). Rideit, I really don't appreciate you opening a dispute without us discussing this further. My paypal is blank and I was going to receive some money in a couple days so I could continue my build log.

The situation with Ensalada is something completely different and frankly is not relevant to this thread. I was the one who shipped the amp, not him.

I have straight positive feedback and you can ask the people I've dealt with that I'm an honest man. I love this hobby and the last thing I feel like doing is screwing other people. I honestly don't know what else to tell you other than that amp was shipped from this house in mint condition. If at all possible, I would like if you could lift the paypal claim temporarily until we settle this further. It's the long weekend coming up and I'll finally have some time to work on my build which is practically the only thing I look forward to during the week.

I believe you're the one that brought Ensaladas name into this. So his shadiness is relevant to this thread since you're using him as a witness. :fyi:

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 07:21 AM
I believe you're the one that brought Ensaladas name into this. So his shadiness is relevant to this thread since you're using him as a witness. :fyi:

Because I'm the one who received the amp in the trade. I then gave it to kangaroux to sell because I didn't have a laptop. Get back on topic. If you want to ***** and complain about me, pm me or post in that thread. I'm not shady at all, ask anyone who has dealt with me. Geoff, weenie, kanga, and a few others. Get your facts straight Mitch, you're still a tool :fyi:

whitedragon551
11-10-2011, 07:32 AM
There are 2 things that could be going on here. Kang and Ensalada are buddies and Ensalada has agreed to be the "witness" of the new amp that was sent or Rideit is infact doing the old switcheroo if the amp was in the condition Kang and Ensalada said.

With that in mind Rideit one way to put this to bed quickly is post an images of both RF amps you have, ends, tops, backs, serial numbers, terminals, etc.. Then there is no question of which one is which and so on.

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 07:33 AM
Because I'm the one who received the amp in the trade. I then gave it to kangaroux to sell because I didn't have a laptop. Get back on topic. If you want to ***** and complain about me, pm me or post in that thread. I'm not shady at all, ask anyone who has dealt with me. Geoff, weenie, kanga, and a few others. Get your facts straight Mitch, you're still a tool :fyi:

The fact is, there is a thread about you in which several people attested for you being shady. That you cant deny! This is completely on topic since you're a witness to the condition of the amp in question. And also this is getting a little confusing since its been said the amp was traded to Kangaroux and now you're saying its your amp, it was only being sold by Kangaroux because you dont have a computer. Which is it?

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 07:53 AM
Me and Ensalada met up with a guy from Fryeburg, ME and a guy from North Conway, NH. It was Ensaladas equipment in the trade, but because I get better shipping prices because I ship through a business account I asked him if I could ship it for him so he could save a few bucks (I also shipped an AP15001D to DirtRider4eva at the same time I shipped the rockford). It was Ensalada's amp but I was the one shipping it.

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 07:54 AM
i was goin to buy that ap1500 :fyi:

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 07:57 AM
i was goin to buy that ap1500 :fyi:

But you didn't :fyi:

CAT MAN
11-10-2011, 07:57 AM
he bought it out from under me :fyi: lol

97maxima
11-10-2011, 08:09 AM
There are 2 things that could be going on here. Kang and Ensalada are buddies and Ensalada has agreed to be the "witness" of the new amp that was sent or Rideit is infact doing the old switcheroo if the amp was in the condition Kang and Ensalada said.

With that in mind Rideit one way to put this to bed quickly is post an images of both RF amps you have, ends, tops, backs, serial numbers, terminals, etc.. Then there is no question of which one is which and so on.

^^^^this

Why So Cereal?
11-10-2011, 08:35 AM
Ok, now to be fair, I have more info that seems to point in the other direction from rideit.
Look at Ensalada's profile and click on username history then look at the thread below.
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/*negative*-feedback/519238-salas868-sketchy-best.html
I felt that I had to even the score to be fair, someone Pm'd me this info so I cant just sit on it. I'm turning the computer off now because I honestly dont want to be the only one running a full scale investigation on this.


Theres also the possibility of the guy with perfect feedback screwing a new user with no rep here because he knows others will back him and call the new guy a scammer and he will get away with it. Its happened before and im not saying this is the case but most certainly a possibility.


I believe you're the one that brought Ensaladas name into this. So his shadiness is relevant to this thread since you're using him as a witness. :fyi:

see there "rideit" truth will always be made known. Noone....well I know I was never completely against you as I've been scammed by someone with flawless feedback before too. But, it still is best to hear both sides and all evidence be brought to the forefront before a decision is made on who's the scammer here. I'm sure you can understand that. Hopefully, this all gets sorted out.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 08:35 AM
The fact is, there is a thread about you in which several people attested for you being shady. That you cant deny! This is completely on topic since you're a witness to the condition of the amp in question. And also this is getting a little confusing since its been said the amp was traded to Kangaroux and now you're saying its your amp, it was only being sold by Kangaroux because you dont have a computer. Which is it?

If you don't even know whats going on mitch, there is no point in even posting it. You're the only one confused bud.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 08:36 AM
see there "rideit" truth will always be made known. Noone....well I know I was never completely against you as I've been scammed by someone with flawless feedback before too. But, it still is best to hear both sides and all evidence be brought to the forefront before a decision is made on who's the scammer here. I'm sure you can understand that. Hopefully, this all gets sorted out.



.... Thanks

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 09:20 AM
If you don't even know whats going on mitch, there is no point in even posting it. You're the only one confused bud.

I doubt that...There hasnt been any clear indication who the amp really belonged to in the first place. Just trying to get a clear understanding of whats really going on here. Dont get your ******* in a bunch. I havent posted anything out of line, yet you've attacked me every time I post. Kangaroux had no problem explaining the situation clearly when asked.. seems you just have a bad attitude sir. :D

pro-rabbit
11-10-2011, 09:22 AM
There are 2 things that could be going on here. Kang and Ensalada are buddies and Ensalada has agreed to be the "witness" of the new amp that was sent or Rideit is infact doing the old switcheroo if the amp was in the condition Kang and Ensalada said.

With that in mind Rideit one way to put this to bed quickly is post images of both RF amps you have, ends, tops, backs, serial numbers, terminals, etc.. Then there is no question of which one is which and so on.

This is what should have been done in the first place.

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 09:38 AM
this is why when I test ANYTHING prior to shipping I take vids of things working, multi meters on the coils, amps firing up independently, etc...

on that note - I'll put my two cents in for the validity of Mr. Roux and Mr. Salad, but with that said move to the next level of buying and selling and start using your itouches and phones to take vids of things so you can have solid proof on your end that they work.
I'll be more than happy to talk to the gentleman from N. Conway if I know him, and help get to the bottom of this.

FWIW - I've done probably 5+ deals locally with these young men and picked up a computer, two L7's, a memphis 1500d, PSI 15, AP1500d, DD garb, some 0g wire, bla bla bla - no problems at all.

Good luck to everyone, hopefully a resolution comes swiftly and appropriately.

>>SQL<<
11-10-2011, 09:55 AM
Is it a fact that RIDIT bought 2 of these amps?

prevail
11-10-2011, 09:59 AM
This is what should have been done in the first place.

Good morning everyone. I have fielded a few pm's last night, and there is no way that I will back down on this. First off, as to the above, the only amp I have is the one that Kang shipped to me. If there is another amp, it is seeming more and more likely that ensalada has it. I will be talking to our local detectives today to see if there is an easy way to positively identify this amp, and recover the serial # off of the amp directly. If I have to, I am also happy to contact detectives in the Internet fraud departments in Maine, NH, and wherever else that I need to. I am happy to do so, and I have the time to pursue this.
Kang, as far as what you "appreciate", I certainly don't "appreciate" you calling me a liar. It, in fact, has infuriated me to the point that I will gladly take this on as a full time job, which I am in a position to do. Ensalada, if you honestly are willing to help, please contact me with information on who you got this amp from, with names and phone numbers. It would be in your own best interests to do so if you are telling the truth.

prevail
11-10-2011, 10:01 AM
Is it a fact that RIDIT bought 2 of these amps?

No. please read my last post. Where did this idea come from? I will be looking into all of Ensalada (Salas') posts from any forum to see if he has owned or purchased one of these prior to this. Ensalada, what is your e-Bay account user name? I would be interested in looking into that as well. I have provided mine.

Again, for any of you looking into this matter with an unbiased eye, if there is ANY other information that I can provide, or technique in order to positively identify this amp, I would love to hear it, and will follow through on it.
My reputation simply means too much to me, as a large part of what I do professionally is via the internet. And I have serious resources and references to back that up at any time.

Ensalada, OTOH, is a known 'sketchy' player, and it is just too coincidental that he would be involved in this.
Again, their story seems to be, shall we say, "evolving".
Next I expect a press release A La Herman Cain...

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 10:02 AM
It is not confirmed however the amp was not in that condition when it was shipped so either he has another rockford amp that is damaged and that's what he's taking pictures of, or he damaged it himself.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 10:06 AM
I guess I'm shocked you think I have another amp and am hiding it. I'm done with this accusations and this thread. If everyone thinks I'm a scammer, so be it. Those who know I'm legit, I appreciate it. Anything else can be sent via pm to me. I have a life I'm going to attend to now other than sitting here pointing fingers, call the detectives if you want ride it, good luck.

ace_800
11-10-2011, 10:13 AM
Ok, couple questions...I've not delt with anyone involved

Was the amp shipped in the RF box? Was the shipping box retaped possibly by the shipping company after a swap? Trust me I know by personal experience this happens. Shipping a camcorder and receiving eye glasses....

I would think from the feedback that Kang has he wouldn't bullshit about the condition. This is either the buyer pulling a swap or it was swapped by someone else during or prior to shipping.

Its all his word against another atm and not really going to be able to prove if the buyer swapped it. He could post pics of his other amp, but its only his word that he doesn't have another and not saying anything about it.

I'd try to get a pic from the side with the serial number in view and readable with the arching from the ground. Shouldn't be hard. You gotta prove the amp you received was the amp in the FS thread.

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 10:14 AM
I'm not taking sides, but here is the bottom line.

Luke - sell your own stuff
Jesse - sell your own stuff
Take pix and videos, everyone and their dead granny has a friggin digital still and moving picture taker.
Sorry to sound harsh but I know you both personally and you are both good kids, just gotta cover your a$$ until the cows come home.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 10:18 AM
Ok, couple questions...I've not delt with anyone involved

Was the amp shipped in the RF box? Was the shipping box retaped possibly by the shipping company after a swap? Trust me I know by personal experience this happens. Shipping a camcorder and receiving eye glasses....

I would think from the feedback that Kang has he wouldn't bullshit about the condition. This is either the buyer pulling a swap or it was swapped by someone else during or prior to shipping.

Its all his word against another atm and not really going to be able to prove if the buyer swapped it. He could post pics of his other amp, but its only his word that he doesn't have another and not saying anything about it.

I'd try to get a pic from the side with the serial number in view and readable with the arching from the ground. Shouldn't be hard. You gotta prove the amp you received was the amp in the FS thread.

Amp was shipped in the original box with the bass knob and the papers (manual, birthsheet)

ace_800
11-10-2011, 10:21 AM
Amp was shipped in the original box with the bass knob and the papers (manual, birthsheet)

So again I would question the buyer if the box looks retaped. Expecially if papers are missing.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 10:24 AM
So again I would question the buyer if the box looks retaped. Expecially if papers are missing.

He has the birthsheet but that is definitely not the same amp

11SE2HEAR
11-10-2011, 10:26 AM
Was the product advertised as "new in box"? If that's the case, the product would still be wrapped in the original shrink wrap.

>>SQL<<
11-10-2011, 10:32 AM
Was the product advertised as "new in box"? If that's the case, the product would still be wrapped in the original shrink wrap.

you should read the thread b4 you post a response.
Item was LNIB

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 10:33 AM
Was the product advertised as "new in box"? If that's the case, the product would still be wrapped in the original shrink wrap.

Yes. It was only taken out to be inspected and tested before I shipped

prevail
11-10-2011, 10:43 AM
I cannot emphasize more strongly that this is the amp I received. I have never owned another RF amp. That is the end of that. This arrived in just the RF box, which did not appeR to be tampered with, but the box was pretty worn, and it doesn't look like it was from shipping. I will post pics of that as well.
I have contActed RF, and pointed them to this thread. They directed me to a "Parrot number" on the circuit board, which will the this amp to the serial number on the birth sheet, and on the outside of the box. There will be no way to claim otherwise after they run this number. Again, ensalada, it would be in you best interest to provide more information as to where you got this amp. Kang, it would be in yours to press him to do so.
More to come.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 10:47 AM
The box wasn't worn when it left.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 10:48 AM
I cannot emphasize more strongly that this is the amp I received. I have never owned another RF amp. That is the end of that. This arrived in just the RF box, which did not appeR to be tampered with, but the box was pretty worn, and it doesn't look like it was from shipping. I will post pics of that as well.
I have contActed RF, and pointed them to this thread. They directed me to a "Parrot number" on the circuit board, which will the this amp to the serial number on the birth sheet, and on the outside of the box. There will be no way to claim otherwise after they run this number. Again, ensalada, it would be in you best interest to provide more information as to where you got this amp. Kang, it would be in yours to press him to do so.
More to come.

Is was a friend of kangs friend. It was not someone I knew. For the 100th time man, it was just my gear.

prevail
11-10-2011, 10:48 AM
Yes. It was only taken out to be inspected and tested before I shipped

Wait, now you are claiming that you 'tested' the amp, when yesterday you said you didnt really look at it that closely? Aside from all of the other amateur damage to this, would not that have afforded you the opportunity to have arced the power inputs, and same Ed the bass knob? ( aside from the fact that this knob shows MONTHS worth of wear?
Your stories are simply not holding together on this.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 10:51 AM
There is stories, only facts. Leave me out of this. I had the amp for a day max and personally never took it out of the box.

CHEMMINS
11-10-2011, 10:55 AM
I only have 1 question.....

Why won't anyone give the info of the original owner to rideit so he can ask the condition.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 10:56 AM
For some reason he thinks I have it. I've told him 4 times now I don't.

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 10:59 AM
I've got it... it was openly provided, but I REALLY want to let the right parties divulge this information, and not try to pull the wool.

CHEMMINS
11-10-2011, 11:02 AM
That would clear this whole issue up. Hell Rex, I know you are stand up. You should contact the orig owner and send him in here to resolve this.

pro-rabbit
11-10-2011, 11:07 AM
Did I miss something? I could have sworn that rideit said he had the exact same amp and wanted to run one per sub and now claims he has only one...or did I just miss read his posts?

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 11:07 AM
these two are ironically the guys who ended up getting your old DD 8's that I got off you - alot of equip has gone back and forth amongst us lol

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 11:09 AM
That would clear this whole issue up. Hell Rex, I know you are stand up. You should contact the orig owner and send him in here to resolve this.

This is an idea. Or if the original owner doesnt already know whats going on here, maybe CRXBMPN could question him about the amps condition and post screen shots or other proof of what the original owners says.This would let us know what condition the amp was in before Kangaroux/Saladtosser got it any way. :D

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 11:12 AM
Did I miss something? I could have sworn that rideit said he had the exact same amp and wanted to run one per sub and now claims he has only one...or did I just miss read his posts?

From what I understood he had a different amp and picked this amp up to see if it helped before changing boxes. Thats what I gathered from the guy that posted about selling rideit a box. I dont see why he'd pick up the same exact amp he had already and think it would help.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 11:13 AM
This is an idea. Or if the original owner doesnt already know whats going on here, maybe CRXBMPN could question him about the amps condition and post screen shots or other proof of what the original owners says.This would let us know what condition the amp was in before Kangaroux/Saladtosser got it any way. :D

Lol at salad tosser. I apologize for being a douche Mitch, I was just in a bad mood dur to family bs and this didn't help. I'm sorry.

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 11:17 AM
Lol at salad tosser. I apologize for being a douche Mitch, I was just in a bad mood dur to family bs and this didn't help. I'm sorry.

Dont worry...I dont take it personal. Its just the internet ;)

prevail
11-10-2011, 11:18 AM
The box wasn't worn when it left.

Do you have pictures of the box? If I were selling something as BNIB, ant thought it was mint, **** straight I would have has many clear xloseups to stAnd behind that.

pro-rabbit
11-10-2011, 11:19 AM
From what I understood he had a different amp and picked this amp up to see if it helped before changing boxes. Thats what I gathered from the guy that posted about selling rideit a box. I dont see why he'd pick up the same exact amp he had already and think it would help.

Because of this


I just saw that, and Nut hair, that makes no sense. I am going to be running your box no matter what the amp, ( I am planning on running two, one to each sub) I was waiting forever for this one to show up. I haven't done anything with this one besides open it up, saw it was not anywhere near advertised, and have been on this forum all night. I am livid...as anyone esle would be.


Those statements lead one to believe he has two of these amps.





I'm not saying he is wrong/right or anything. I'm just trying to ensure the story is straight is all.

IonRL205
11-10-2011, 11:19 AM
Did I miss something? I could have sworn that rideit said he had the exact same amp and wanted to run one per sub and now claims he has only one...or did I just miss read his posts?

You are indeed correct, because he did say he was wanting to run 1 amp per sub.

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 11:19 AM
Here is my only question about my locals who did the deal -

the original deal was a sub and this amp in question in trade for a much larger amp, but the word is that the sub/amp combo were the guy's old setup and he wanted more power. Respectfully, can we get clarification on this?

jesus I sound a bit too politically correct here asking questions.

prevail
11-10-2011, 11:21 AM
Did I miss something? I could have sworn that rideit said he had the exact same amp and wanted to run one per sub and now claims he has only one...or did I just miss read his posts?
Yes, you have misconstrued. I have one mtx jh600, and was buying this RF in order to see if it was power that was holding back my system. Hence the two different amps.

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 11:22 AM
Because of this




Those statements lead one to believe he has two of these amps.





I'm not saying he is wrong/right or anything. I'm just trying to ensure the story is straight is all.

I'd like to know the impedence of the subs he is using, to see if one amp or two lines up with what he wants to do...

*** i see rideit replied above me, disregard, but still would like to know lol ***

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 11:23 AM
Because of this




Those statements lead one to believe he has two of these amps.





I'm not saying he is wrong/right or anything. I'm just trying to ensure the story is straight is all.

I see what you're saying. But that doesnt really indicate he HAS 2, he plans to run 2, doesnt mean he has them both. Doesnt say that he doesnt either tho.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 11:26 AM
Wait, now you are claiming that you 'tested' the amp, when yesterday you said you didnt really look at it that closely? Aside from all of the other amateur damage to this, would not that have afforded you the opportunity to have arced the power inputs, and same Ed the bass knob? ( aside from the fact that this knob shows MONTHS worth of wear?
Your stories are simply not holding together on this.

I told you I took the amp out to test it and that it was not in the condition you are showing it as. I never removed the bass knob from its packaging.

pro-rabbit
11-10-2011, 11:27 AM
I see what you're saying. But that doesnt really indicate he HAS 2, he plans to run 2, doesnt mean he has them both. Doesnt say that he doesnt either tho.

Exactly. I'm not saying he does or does not. However, how he worded that shows he has two amps that are the same. His posting structure indicate that he would not have "mis-typed" that information. That is what is hard for me to get around in this. Reading many of his posts reminds me of reading emails when I was at AQ with upset customers who wanted to use scare tactics to get everything to smooth out in their favor.

Again, I'm not taking sides here. I'm just going by the black and white in the posts is all.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 11:28 AM
Do you have pictures of the box? If I were selling something as BNIB, ant thought it was mint, **** straight I would have has many clear xloseups to stAnd behind that.

Ensalada has pictures of the box in the FS thread

prevail
11-10-2011, 11:29 AM
Mtx jh600 (purchased on e-bay last year, look it up in my feedback, and I am happy to post pics of my install). Subs are RF shallow 12 4 ohm, purchased at vminnOvations last month. Box is two separate chambers in a pre-fab, for under the seat of an f150 2004 (there are numerous posts with questions on this, both here and on caco. Happy to provide thread links if you can't search it.

I am not using 'scare tactics', I am using tools at my disposal in order to get to the bottom of this. And I will.

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 11:33 AM
Exactly. I'm not saying he does or does not. However, how he worded that shows he has two amps that are the same. His posting structure indicate that he would not have "mis-typed" that information. That is what is hard for me to get around in this. Reading many of his posts reminds me of reading emails when I was at AQ with upset customers who wanted to use scare tactics to get everything to smooth out in their favor.

Again, I'm not taking sides here. I'm just going by the black and white in the posts is all.

So far thats been hard to follow on both sides. :laugh:

I think this can only be settled by a 30's style bare knuckle boxing match. Of course it must be recorded and posted. The winner determined by the CA.com community. Who's down? :D

Mitch86
11-10-2011, 11:34 AM
BTW rabbit, I think he may just be a ******* and was going to hook 2 different amps up in the same set up. :D

pro-rabbit
11-10-2011, 11:36 AM
Mtx jh600 (purchased on e-bay last year, look it up in my feedback, and I am happy to post pics of my install). Subs are RF shallow 12 4 ohm, purchased at vminnOvations last month. Box is two separate chambers in a pre-fab, for under the seat of an f150 2004 (there are numerous posts with questions on this, both here and on caco. Happy to provide thread links if you can't search it.

I do not go to caco and have no reason to look there.

insulting me by saying "if you can't search it" will not get you anything sir. I'm stating what I'm reading and your posting. I don't care about other posts and what you claim to have or not as those things are not relevant to this topic. If you don't have a second amp that is the same as the one purchased then fine. However, from reading your posts and how you write in particular I find it hard to believe that you would "mis speak" when in this debate.

With that said I will stay out of the rest of this conversation as I do not really want to be a part of it. I have found my answer and I will move on. Good luck to both parties involved and I hope you two can work out a resolution of some type.

prevail
11-10-2011, 11:38 AM
That is odder a possibility^^^!

I Am no guru, that is one reason that is completely implausable that I would swap circuit boards or whatnot. Trust me, you would have seen a stupid post on caco asking how tO even do it. I certainly wAs not meaning to insult you, I was offering to help make it easier to see that I am an open book.

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 12:51 PM
well we shall wait tell you have a picture of the serial number to match the birth sheet.

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:00 PM
well we shall wait tell you have a picture of the serial number to match the birth sheet.

All I have is the one that it appears that Ensalada, or whomever he is pretending to forget or not know, tried to pry off and rub out.
It seems pretty obvious to me that they/he sent me a beat amp in a 'new' package, with a birth sheet and whatnot for an amp someone there still has.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec7eca2dc9f00000030O38QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D3/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1cf28b3127ccefec6943b7d4600000030O38QbNWTVqzcg9 vPgQ/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D3/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
Ensalada, how about contact info for those mysterious suppliers again? And what did they trade this 'brand new' amp for, etc?
You seem to be hiding a lot of details.
If I were not a victim of this, does anyone in their right mind think that I would spend so much time and effort, and expose myself to scrutiny? You can bet not.

Additional information: I took this cover off to look for the 'parrot number' on the circuit board, as per my instructions from Eric at RF customer service.
Not only did he find it strange that there wasn't one, as there should be, there were freaking dorito crumbs in the bottom corner of the amp. Pathetic.

DonH
11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
and this is why i take a picture of every amp i send out with closeups WITH a newspaper in it lol... goes into my file. ive had someone get an amp and **** it up and claim it was me when it wasnt.

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:13 PM
Rideit, I really don't appreciate you opening a dispute without us discussing this further. My paypal is blank and I was going to receive some money in a couple days so I could continue my build log.


.

There is a simple solution to that, if you believe this. Refund my PP, and then we can work this out in whatever manner that you see fit. If you truly stand behind this 'story', well then, you should have no problems with a PP dispute. (which I have never been involved with in many years worth of PP transactions, congradulations, you are the first. )

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 01:13 PM
and this is why i take a picture of every amp i send out with closeups WITH a newspaper in it lol... goes into my file. ive had someone get an amp and **** it up and claim it was me when it wasnt.

This probably what is happening right now

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 01:14 PM
There is a simple solution to that, if you believe this. Refund my PP, and then we can work this out in whatever manner that you see fit. If you truly stand behind this 'story', well then, you should have no problems with a PP dispute. (which I have never been involved with in many years worth of PP transactions, congradulations, you are the first. )

I don't have the money it was given to Ensalada because it was his amp, and he just spent that money on his new build.

Fi_
11-10-2011, 01:15 PM
Hello, my name is Jesse. I'm from Fryeburg, Maine 04037 and my phone number is 207-890-2649. I hooked this amplifier up to a Fi Q for about a month before I traded it, it had NONE of these marks and definitively didn't have ground arch (I've installed about 25-30 systems and I tune amplifiers by ear as a hobby ;) I also find it funny that the sticker on the back is faded concidering mine wasn't. I bought this off amazon for $250 about 2 months ago, you paid $170 for it stop bitching you sound like a 12 year old... This is my first post here and I'm already sick of your whining. I barely know Jesse and I barely know ElSalad (w/e) we met up ONCE to do the trade and I showed him all was well, I dunno about a 10/10 cosmetic as it has the obviously wear and tear of being hooked up (screws have scratches and stuff) but it deffinatly DID NOT look like that amplifier. I have picture of it before the trade let me find them.

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:17 PM
This probably what is happening right now

Not according to every bit of logic, Ensalada's history of shadiness, and the lengths to which I am going to provide every possible piece of information that I can. Which Jesse and Rex(?) seem to not be willing to do.
My reputation is stellar in every other forum.
And that has weight above and beyond the fact that I am 'new' here.
I am going to bet that Their PP accounts and E-Bay accounts do not have a perfect history, as mine does.
And I have rpovided that to review at any opportunity.
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If you do NOT have some reservations about their 'version' of this, which keeps changing, well then you are just bringing in some bias that should not be part of this conversation. I have absolutely NO history of shadiness on any froum, and that should certainly afford me some credibility, even though I am 'new' here. Why would I have done this under my lifelong username? If I were out to do this as a 'new user' scam, I certainly would have chosen a new username, wouldn't you think?

slammedincouch
11-10-2011, 01:18 PM
Not only did he find it strange that there wasn't one, as there should be, there were freaking dorito crumbs in the bottom corner of the amp. Pathetic.

http://do512blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/thatsracist.gif

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 01:19 PM
Hello, my name is Jesse. I'm from Fryeburg, Maine. I hooked this amplifier up to a Fi Q for about a month before I traded it

Here is the issue - a month of use is not bnib :-\

arrrrrgh

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 01:21 PM
He said lnib not bnib

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 01:22 PM
Not according to every bit of logic, Ensalada's history of shadiness, and the lengths to which I am going to provide every possible piece of information that I can. Which Jesse and Rex(?) seem to not be willing to do.
My reputation is stellar in every other forum.
And that has weight above and beyond the fact that I am 'new' here.
I am going to bet that Their PP accounts and E-Bay accounts do not have a perfect history, as mine does.
And I have rpovided that to review at any opportunity.
\
If you do NOT have some reservations about their 'version' of this, which keeps changing, well then you are just bringing in some bias that should not be part of this conversation. I have absolutely NO history of shadiness on any froum, and that should certainly afford me some credibility, even though I am 'new' here. Why would I have done this under my lifelong username? If I were out to do this as a 'new user' scam, I certainly would have chosen a new username, wouldn't you think?

Why keep saying I'm shady. The facts prove I'm barely part of this, yeah it was my amp, but I didn't even touch it.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 01:22 PM
Not according to every bit of logic, Ensalada's history of shadiness, and the lenghts to which I am going to provide every possible piece of information that I can. Which Jesse and Rex(?) seem to not be willing to do.
My reputation is stellar in every other forum.
And that has weight above and beyond the fact that I am 'new' here.
I am going to bet that Their PP accounts and E-Bay accounts do not have a perfect history, as mine does.
And I have rpovided that to review at any opportunity.

My ebay account is "kangaroux2" and you can check my history. The only problem I've had here was miscommunication because the guy I was dealing with was a complete idiot, who also ran into problems with mechman and is currently banned.

Fi_
11-10-2011, 01:22 PM
Here is the issue - a month of use is not bnib :-\

arrrrrgh

Maybe not, I don't know what that was about the amplifier was in perfect condition I can see a BNIB being posted concidering everything was brand new when I gave it to him, sure it was hooked up but if you've seen my installs you'd know that everything I have is 9/10 easy this amplifier was close to being a 10/10 because I barely used it, I have 2 vehicles so I never even used the Fi Q.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 01:23 PM
He said lnib not bnib

I listed the amp as BNIB because I was under the impression it was truly BNIB. It came in all original packaging and I didn't see any signs of wear

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 01:25 PM
So now we have the original seller on here and were is that rid guy.

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:25 PM
Hello, my name is Jesse. I'm from Fryeburg, Maine 04037 and my phone number is 207-890-2649. I hooked this amplifier up to a Fi Q for about a month before I traded it, it had NONE of these marks and definitively didn't have ground arch (I've installed about 25-30 systems and I tune amplifiers by ear as a hobby ;) I also find it funny that the sticker on the back is faded concidering mine wasn't. I bought this off amazon for $250 about 2 months ago, you paid $170 for it stop bitching you sound like a 12 year old... This is my first post here and I'm already sick of your whining. I barely know Jesse and I barely know ElSalad (w/e) we met up ONCE to do the trade and I showed him all was well, I dunno about a 10/10 cosmetic as it has the obviously wear and tear of being hooked up (screws have scratches and stuff) but it deffinatly DID NOT look like that amplifier. I have picture of it before the trade let me find them.

So, basically, you are saying that there is likely a NEW amp, most likely in Ensalada's or Jesse's hands, and this beat one was sent to me. Nice schill, feel free to call me as well, 307 413 7643. If I were attempting to perpetuate a scam, would I not have been happy to pay even more for this, or looked for a model that was NOT advertised as 'NIB'? Think long and hard about that. Are you on any other forums (as you must be with your experiece). What is your user name on others?

You may call it 'whining', I call it finding out the truth.

Fi_
11-10-2011, 01:26 PM
I listed the amp as BNIB because I was under the impression it was truly BNIB. It came in all original packaging and I didn't see any signs of wear

I can vouch I never told him I hooked it up, he assumed it was BNIB which I don't blame him... but the amplifier is still worth easily $170 and is in perfect condition, so I don't get the problem here. If money is not a problem why are you crying over a barely used amplifier?

DonH
11-10-2011, 01:28 PM
hey rideit why dont you open the ******* amp up and look at the serial number on the board! its a ******* sticker on the bottom you took plenty of pictures of that is worn off...

Let me give some words of advice to both the seller and the buyer,
As a seller on the internet you have no means of knowing what the buyer is going to do with the product once they get it. if they are displeased, you as a seller are obligated to make things right to a certain extent.
now as a buyer, you have the right to be upset if a product comes in unsatisfactory form. IF it comes like this, and in this case which rideit has a birthsheet with a serial but the serial in the pictures he keeps posting from every which angle is rubbed off then open the amp and compare serials! if they match up then the seller is at fault in which the buyer at his expense ships the item back in the condition he last sees it in. once the seller receives the amp a refund shall be issued.

both of you guys int he deal, not previous owners friends before etc. go about doing this. I honestly dont believe OP sent the item in that condition.
with that said if this is not resolved OP you said you need cash to help your build? how much ill loan you as much as i can. have rideit send you the amp back AFTER pictures of the serial on the board are shown and they match up to the birth sheet.

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 01:30 PM
Why keep saying I'm shady. The facts prove I'm barely part of this, yeah it was my amp, but I didn't even touch it.

the problem is you should be selling/trading your own stuff, if Jesse is out $175 due to this because he did you a favor, and he gets boned for cash, an amp, and who knows what else, that just stinks

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 01:33 PM
The only time I looked at the amp was to take pics. The amp was told to be bnib to me and kangaroux. If I tradedy lanzar 2000d for that fi q and Rockford, and the Rockford looked like rideit is claiming it does, I would have said something when I took the pics. I was told it was bnib and believed it because it was immaculate when I took the pictures

slammedincouch
11-10-2011, 01:34 PM
hey rideit why dont you open the ******* amp up and look at the serial number on the board! its a ******* sticker on the bottom you took plenty of pictures of that is worn off...

Let me give some words of advice to both the seller and the buyer,
As a seller on the internet you have no means of knowing what the buyer is going to do with the product once they get it. if they are displeased, you as a seller are obligated to make things right to a certain extent.
now as a buyer, you have the right to be upset if a product comes in unsatisfactory form. IF it comes like this, and in this case which rideit has a birthsheet with a serial but the serial in the pictures he keeps posting from every which angle is rubbed off then open the amp and compare serials! if they match up then the seller is at fault in which the buyer at his expense ships the item back in the condition he last sees it in. once the seller receives the amp a refund shall be issued.

both of you guys int he deal, not previous owners friends before etc. go about doing this. I honestly dont believe OP sent the item in that condition.
with that said if this is not resolved OP you said you need cash to help your build? how much ill loan you as much as i can. have rideit send you the amp back AFTER pictures of the serial on the board are shown and they match up to the birth sheet.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BgW6L41c9Z4/Tm0jZgponjI/AAAAAAAABlI/RZf6izwpFrU/s1600/Springer.gif

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 01:35 PM
Get a better camera

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:35 PM
Just got off the phone with this Jesse above. He emphatically stated that this amp was indeed used, and was in no way BNIB. That alone should resolve this. I offered to pay shipping back, to which he seemed to think that might resolve this. We are getting somewhere now.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 01:35 PM
hey rideit why dont you open the ******* amp up and look at the serial number on the board! its a ******* sticker on the bottom you took plenty of pictures of that is worn off...

Let me give some words of advice to both the seller and the buyer,
As a seller on the internet you have no means of knowing what the buyer is going to do with the product once they get it. if they are displeased, you as a seller are obligated to make things right to a certain extent.
now as a buyer, you have the right to be upset if a product comes in unsatisfactory form. IF it comes like this, and in this case which rideit has a birthsheet with a serial but the serial in the pictures he keeps posting from every which angle is rubbed off then open the amp and compare serials! if they match up then the seller is at fault in which the buyer at his expense ships the item back in the condition he last sees it in. once the seller receives the amp a refund shall be issued.

both of you guys int he deal, not previous owners friends before etc. go about doing this. I honestly dont believe OP sent the item in that condition.
with that said if this is not resolved OP you said you need cash to help your build? how much ill loan you as much as i can. have rideit send you the amp back AFTER pictures of the serial on the board are shown and they match up to the birth sheet.

Thanks for the offer Don but I'll be good

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:36 PM
hey rideit why dont you open the ******* amp up and look at the serial number on the board! its a ******* sticker on the bottom you took plenty of pictures of that is worn off...

Let me give some words of advice to both the seller and the buyer,
As a seller on the internet you have no means of knowing what the buyer is going to do with the product once they get it. if they are displeased, you as a seller are obligated to make things right to a certain extent.
now as a buyer, you have the right to be upset if a product comes in unsatisfactory form. IF it comes like this, and in this case which rideit has a birthsheet with a serial but the serial in the pictures he keeps posting from every which angle is rubbed off then open the amp and compare serials! if they match up then the seller is at fault in which the buyer at his expense ships the item back in the condition he last sees it in. once the seller receives the amp a refund shall be issued.

both of you guys int he deal, not previous owners friends before etc. go about doing this. I honestly dont believe OP sent the item in that condition.
with that said if this is not resolved OP you said you need cash to help your build? how much ill loan you as much as i can. have rideit send you the amp back AFTER pictures of the serial on the board are shown and they match up to the birth sheet.

Did you even read my previous post? I did all of that while on the phone with Eric at RF, the interior decal was removed as well.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 01:37 PM
the problem is you should be selling/trading your own stuff, if Jesse is out $175 due to this because he did you a favor, and he gets boned for cash, an amp, and who knows what else, that just stinks
Obviously...

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 01:38 PM
Wait jesse said it was Nib and your saying he said it was not NIb explain this further

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:39 PM
That is what he told me over the phone, period. And I would imagine that he would set that straight here.

Fi_
11-10-2011, 01:40 PM
Jesse is convinced that you have a seperate amplifier, I cannot say much concidering the AMPLIFIER i sold him DID NOT look like that and WAS NOT in that condition I've never even opened it so IDK how doritos could get in there. I can understand Jesse's worries it happens a lot, I guess we're still at a stalemate because neigther parties trust each other lulz.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 01:42 PM
And I'm just shady....:rage:

misfit138
11-10-2011, 01:43 PM
Jessie posted to me:
"I took the amp outta the packaging and tested it, worked 100% flawlessly. There were no signs of any kind of abuse. You can PM ensalada if you want, he was the one who received the amp in the trade. I was there with him and we traded some stuff locally for the rockford. "

I replied:
I would be happy to, in fact, I also would like to call him, and you, and record the conversations. Are you cool with that?

Jesse (kangaroux) is a good, 100% trustworthy person. If there's something wrong with a RF amp you own, it's because you owned it prior to Jesse sending you a bnib model just like it.

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:43 PM
The difference here is that I have a 10+ year recorded history of trustworthy dealings, and these kids simply do not.

>>SQL<<
11-10-2011, 01:43 PM
ridit - have you powered it up?
Does it work?
If it works then just live with it man ish happens

Fi_
11-10-2011, 01:43 PM
Wait jesse said it was Nib and your saying he said it was not NIb explain this further

I'm Jesse Lusky from Fryeburg, Maine the original owner. Hes Jesse Roux from another place close by, when I sold him the amplifier I told him it was slightly used but brand new in box, I concider BNIB 10/10 mechanically and atleast 9/10 cosmetic, what happened after it left my hands I have no clue, but Jesse in person was a very chill dude I doubt hed be out to rip anyone off. He's worried this isn't the amplifier and that hes going to be scammed thats why he doesnt want to refund, but on the other hand I do understand it was NOT BNIB so Rideit has a reason to be angry, all in all I think he should just keep the amplifier concidering BNIB that amplifier goes for almost $300. I mean it makes sense that hes angry, but if money isn't a problem like he states then he should realize $170 for this amplifier in the condition Jesse sold it in or atleast the condition I traded it in was worth WAY more than he sold it for...

I was going to sell it for $250 the way I gave to Jesse haha and he shipped it basically the next day because he never hooked it up. I HOOKED IT UP for him and told him all is well and he saw it I have pictures and videos of it working fine with dates on my facebook.

Amazon.com: Rockford Fosgate Prime R1000-1D 1000 Watt Mono Amplifier: Car Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/Rockford-Fosgate-Prime-R1000-1D-Amplifier/dp/B002X786WM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1320950607&sr=8-2)

Anyways I don't know where to go from here, this is why I sell locally lol.

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 01:45 PM
Welcome to the site Jesse #2, hope to see you at some shows this coming year in Sanford, etc.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 01:46 PM
Welcome to the site Jesse #2, hope to see you at some shows this coming year in Sanford, etc.

He's louder than you :fyi:

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 01:46 PM
Welcome to the site Jesse #2, hope to see you at some shows this coming year in Sanford, etc.


His jeep is loud :fyi:

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:47 PM
Let's talk about honesty, and internet reputation a little bit.

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/*nega...ml#post7688147

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/*nega...ml#post7688134

97maxima
11-10-2011, 01:49 PM
link fail

Fi_
11-10-2011, 01:50 PM
His jeep is loud :fyi:

Haha thanks :D its not bad off 1.2K I guess :-p anyways guy, just keep the amplifier it's a good deal for everyone, if you are scamming just leave it alone if you aren't then you have nothing to complain about. Jesse is a good dude he spent the money and hes unemployed it would take weeks to pay that money back. I feel bad for both parties and I somewhat feel at fault, if anything I'm to blame NOT Jesse. and yes I will be a regular here because SMDforums are full of Power Hungry douche mags like N8baller that ******* guy has some nerve saying I'm a noob because Dave from PSI gave me a gimped subwoofer and I was complaining about it.

Anyways Jesse is HARD HEADED and I dont see him sending it back and honestly Paypal is NOT going to do a **** thing because this has happened many times you'd be more likely to get a case on eBay. Don't waste your time and money if Jesse doesn't want to send it back you're basically stuck either way, I hate to say it but again thats why I trade locally. Only thing I can imagine jesse WOULD do is maybe refund some money to make it more worthy in your eyes but I doubt it concidering you ALREADY got a killer deal on that amplifier.

jj4475
11-10-2011, 01:50 PM
This thread is so bs. 15 pages yes I read them all lol

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:52 PM
They were jusat sent to me, I'll get them going somehow.
They aren;t pretty for Ensalada and Jesse.
Try this:

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/*negative*-feedback/519238-salas868-sketchy-best.html#post7688147

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/*negative*-feedback/519238-salas868-sketchy-best.html#post7688134

Fi_
11-10-2011, 01:53 PM
Welcome to the site Jesse #2, hope to see you at some shows this coming year in Sanford, etc.

Oh I will be but I'm going to have a lot more than 2 15's thats just amateurish :D I'll be looking to compete with 4 of them off 2 1.2K's going to stay in the Stock 3 class hoping to hit a 150+ sealed on music WITHOUT a wall.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 01:55 PM
Are you fvcking kidding me dude. :rage:

prevail
11-10-2011, 01:56 PM
. Only thing I can imagine jesse WOULD do is maybe refund some money to make it more worthy in your eyes but I doubt it concidering you ALREADY got a killer deal on that amplifier.
A killer deal on an abused amp is no deal at all. But I would entertain this AFTER I hook this up. I have something like 6 hours of internet time dealing with this, and that is ching. An apology and a partial refund, and anything is possible.

---------- Post added at 11:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:55 AM ----------


Are you fvcking kidding me dude. :rage:
You can bet your a$$ I am NOT kidding, thread aside...Hey, if you are honest and open, can you please send me your real name and # via PM? Thanks.
If not, why not?

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 01:57 PM
sounds like I need to resurrect TEAM BLO ME

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 01:58 PM
A killer deal on an abused amp is no deal at all. But I would entertain this AFTER I hook this up. I have something like 6 hours of internet time dealing with this, and that is ching. An apology and a partial refund, and anything is possible.

---------- Post added at 11:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:55 AM ----------


You can bet your a$$ I am NOT kidding, thread aside...
Lol.. I'm done with this site for a while, this is between you and kangaroux and all that's happened to me is I've gotten called a scammer. Fvck you man. Peace.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 01:59 PM
Wait so you filed a paypal claim on me but you haven't even tested the amp to see if it works in the first place?

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:00 PM
A killer deal on an abused amp is no deal at all. But I would entertain this AFTER I hook this up. I have something like 6 hours of internet time dealing with this, and that is ching. An apology and a partial refund, and anything is possible.

Once again; Jesse is a 100% trustworthy person who is active on this forum constantly. The guy has earned the friendship of many members of this forum. You, on the other hand, are new and can prove nothing you claim. How are we to believe you aren't just trying to replace a mucked up entry level RF 1kw amplifier at the expense of a well known forum member? Why should we take your word over Jesse's?

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:01 PM
No. The amp wasn't anywhere CLOSE to being as advertised, in fact, it was much worse. Why would I proceed further? Would you? That's generally all anyone needs. Don't you agree?
And now, the original owner has basically said that Jesse misrepresented it, it wasn't NIB at all. What more do you need?

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:01 PM
Wait so you filed a paypal claim on me but you haven't even tested the amp to see if it works in the first place?

Scammers do that type of thing, Jesse. Don't let it surprise you.

You do have pics of this amp with name & date, correct?

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:03 PM
Once again; Jesse is a 100% trustworthy person who is active on this forum constantly. The guy has earned the friendship of many members of this forum. You, on the other hand, are new and can prove nothing you claim. How are we to believe you aren't just trying to replace a mucked up entry level RF 1kw amplifier at the expense of a well known forum member? Why should we take your word over Jesse's?

Because I have a MASSIVE track record, over decades. This is outlined above. Feel free to look around. That transcends being a 'newb' here, I have used the same username for over a decade on all forums. THAT lends credibility. Ensalada won't even answer as to who he really is...and has a record of sketch, even HERE! It's pretty clear.

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 02:04 PM
Scammers do that type of thing, Jesse. Don't let it surprise you.

You do have pics of this amp with name & date, correct?

Lucas took pictures of the amp from his ipad. Pretty sure he emailed them to me so the dates are in there, and im pretty sure if you open the file info it says the date it was taken.

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:04 PM
Because I have a MASSIVE track record, over decades. This is outlined above. Feel free to look around. That transcends being a 'newb' here, I have used the same username for over a decade on all forums. THAT lends credibility. Ensalada won't even answer as to who he really is...and has a record of sketch, even HERE! It's pretty clear.

You have no "track record" at all on ca.com. :fyi: ....and how is this Ensalada's problem? He didn't sell you this amplifier.

Thanks. Have a wonderful day...

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:05 PM
Lucas took pictures of the amp from his ipad. Pretty sure he emailed them to me so the dates are in there, and im pretty sure if you open the file info it says the date it was taken.


Do you have pics with the serial # on the bottom? If not, why not? That would certainly be what anyone else would snap a pic of.

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:05 PM
Lucas took pictures of the amp from his ipad. Pretty sure he emailed them to me so the dates are in there, and im pretty sure if you open the file info it says the date it was taken.

If there are named/dated pics of this amp that show it to be in new in box, or like new in box condition.......that's a thread killer.

Sorry, scammer. You gets nada...

Fi_
11-10-2011, 02:05 PM
Because I have a MASSIVE track record, over decades. This is outlined above. Feel free to look around. That transcends being a 'newb' here, I have used the same username for over a decade on all forums. THAT lends credibility. Ensalada won't even answer as to who he really is...and has a record of sketch, even HERE! It's pretty clear.

To be fair Ensalada really does have NOTHING to do with this infact I have more to do with it then he does concidering Jesse was the seller and I was the original trader and we both say it was NOT in that condition, sure it wasnt BNIB but it wasnt messed up like you describe and I dont see how doritos could get in the case.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 02:05 PM
you have no "track record" at all on ca.com. :fyi: ....and how is this ensalada's problem? He didn't sell you this amplifier.

Thanks. Have a wonderful day...

jesus christ thank you

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:06 PM
Do you have pics with the serial # on the bottom? If not, why not? That would certainly be what anyone else would snap a pic of.

I have bought, sold and traded for a dozen amps online. Not once have I seen a single person take pics of a serial number. If you want something like that, you request it BEFORE buying...

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:06 PM
You have no "track record" at all on ca.com. :fyi: ....and how is this Ensalada's problem? He didn't sell you this amplifier.

Thanks. Have a wonderful day...

Because according to Roux, he is now thoe 'source' of the amp. And then Roux claims that Jbinn is the 'source' of the amp.
Does not add up, don't you agree?

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:07 PM
jesus christ thank you

Just trying to be the voice of reason here....

Joseph7195
11-10-2011, 02:07 PM
Jesse, I hope all the best for you in this, you are a great person and more than trustworthy to new people you give a chance to do business with you. I sincerely hope you don't let this affect the way you help noob's, giving out information, and friendships.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 02:07 PM
Because according to Roux, he is now thoe 'source' of the amp. And then Roux claims that Jbinn is the 'source' of the amp.
Does not add up, don't you agree?

You're full of ****. We've told you the story numerous times and you're saying you still don't get it. What's the joke?

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:09 PM
YOu are a person who trys to use words to your advantage. WE SEE THRU THE BULL SH IT

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:09 PM
Because according to Roux, he is now thoe 'source' of the amp. And then Roux claims that Jbinn is the 'source' of the amp.
Does not add up, don't you agree?

Doesn't matter if he's "the source of the amp". You did not buy this amp from him. You bought it from Jesse....and as I have already stated twice.....jesse is a trustworthy person.

All signs point to you trying to replace a messed up entry level 1kw RF amp, brotato. It ain't happenin'. Seriously, you picked the wrong forum to pull some sh*t like this...

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:09 PM
I have bought, sold and traded for a dozen amps online. Not once have I seen a single person take pics of a serial number. If you want something like that, you request it BEFORE buying...

Certainly ANYONE would have taken a pic of the bottom of the amp, seeing as it takes up 40% of an amps real estate, right?

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:10 PM
You're full of ****. We've told you the story numerous times and you're saying you still don't get it. What's the joke?

I 'get it'...you swapped the amp, and tried to pawn it off on me because I have a low post count...here. What is your name, again?

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 02:11 PM
I 'get it'...you swapped the amp, and tried to pawn it off on me because I have a low post count...here. What is your name, again?

Omg... Lol. I don't even know how to respond to that. I'm just shocked I guess.

CRXBMPN
11-10-2011, 02:12 PM
<---- never taken a pic of the bottom of an amp.

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:14 PM
Omg... Lol. I don't even know how to respond to that. I'm just shocked I guess.

How about responding to it honestly? He!!, it YOU GUYS that accused me of this swap to begin with! If I had ANY MO of this, (unlike you) it would have come up. Tell you what, just give me your phone number. Certainly you would talk to me willingly if you are right here.

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:15 PM
Certainly ANYONE would have taken a pic of the bottom of the amp, seeing as it takes up 40% of an amps real estate, right?

wrong

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:17 PM
what are you smoking

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 02:18 PM
How about responding to it honestly? He!!, it YOU GUYS that accused me of this swap to begin with! If I had ANY MO of this, (unlike you) it would have come up. Tell you what, just give me your phone number. Certainly you would talk to me willingly if you are right here.

I'm not talking to you on the phone. Be pissed and make all the accusations you want for me refusing to talk to you on it, but as stated numerous times by numerous people. This has really nothing to do with me and you are bashing on me to change the subject of discussion this thread is about. Say all the **** you want about me, but I'm not talking to some random person I don't know on the phone for some bs you're trying to pull here. Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 02:19 PM
I refuse to give you my number as well. That is my private information, make assumptions, whatever makes you sleep at night, but I don't think I'm the only one who thinks I'm right here.



Keep on track of the discussion. *******.

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:20 PM
Wanna talk to me enslada. :yumyum:

useless idiot
11-10-2011, 02:20 PM
wrong

Holy Batman & sweet mother of x-mas, who revived this dude from the living dead.

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:21 PM
Look, either rideit is lying or the seller is taking advantage of the fact hes new here and knows he can get away with scamming him. Fact is nobody but those two know the truth so stop assuming ****. None of you have any ******* clue.

>>SQL<<
11-10-2011, 02:22 PM
Do you have pics with the serial # on the bottom? If not, why not? That would certainly be what anyone else would snap a pic of.

I have sold quite a few amps on the net and never once have I taken a pic of the Serial.

The more posts you make the more I think you are the Scammer here.

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:24 PM
wrong

Well then, educate us. Why wouldn't you take pics of the bottom of an amp to show it's condition?

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:26 PM
Holy Batman & sweet mother of x-mas, who revived this dude from the living dead.

This place needs me....in a bad way.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 02:26 PM
Well then, educate us. Why wouldn't you take pics of the bottom of an amp to show it's condition?

Once again, changing subject..

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:27 PM
Well then, educate us. Why wouldn't you take pics of the bottom of an amp to show it's condition?

I personally do....I like to show the complete condition of what I sell....for example.


http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/527713-near-mint-ppi-art-series-a404.html

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:27 PM
Most people dont think about the bottom of the amp. We ask for pictures of the terminals, and the gains knobs. Then a picture of the top.

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:27 PM
Look, either rideit is lying or the seller is taking advantage of the fact hes new here and knows he can get away with scamming him. Fact is nobody but those two know the truth so stop assuming ****. None of you have any ******* clue.

I have a clue. I rested my head upon Jesse's 1kw RF Prime amplifier. It was in beautiful condition. Just thinking about it makes my genitals tingle a bit...

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:29 PM
Well then, educate us. Why wouldn't you take pics of the bottom of an amp to show it's condition?

Because most people don't care about the condition of an amplifier's back plate. :fyi:

Go look at the classifieds, homeboy. You may see pics of an amp's back plate in 1 outta 10 threads. Why? Because, like I said, noone cares about it...

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:29 PM
Once again, changing subject..

Well, then, the subject is you. YOU are involved. The original owner says that this was not new, and had been installed and run. Jesse says that he was simply doing you a favor as you claim to 'not have a laptop'. And you are dishonest enough to not provide me with any details about you, which in and of itself is a red flag. This will be exposed.

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:29 PM
I have a clue. I rested my head upon Jesse's 1kw RF Prime amplifier. It was in beautiful condition. Just thinking about it makes my genitals tingle a bit...

you still have no idea on its condition when it was shipped out.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 02:31 PM
Well, then, the subject is you. YOU are involved. The original owner says that this was not new, and had been installed and run. Jesse says that he was simply doing you a favor as you claim to 'not have a laptop'. And you are dishonest enough to not provide me with any details about you, which in and of itself is a red flag. This will be exposed.

What the fvck

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:31 PM
I kinda think you need to post pictures of the packaging material.

jj4475
11-10-2011, 02:33 PM
Back with food. Ready

useless idiot
11-10-2011, 02:33 PM
Because most people don't care about the condition of an amplifier's back plate. :fyi:

Go look at the classifieds, homeboy. You may see pics of an amp's back plate in 1 outta 10 threads. Why? Because, like I said, noone cares about it...

ilikeridingonit is your homie? :uhoh:

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:33 PM
I kinda think you need to post pictures of the packaging material.

wouldnt help man....that damage didnt happen in shipping.

jj4475
11-10-2011, 02:33 PM
I think they need to just fess up one of them screw the pictures. Its all hear say

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:35 PM
Well, then, the subject is you. YOU are involved. The original owner says that this was not new, and had been installed and run. Jesse says that he was simply doing you a favor as you claim to 'not have a laptop'. And you are dishonest enough to not provide me with any details about you, which in and of itself is a red flag. This will be exposed.

This is where you're wrong.....AGAIN. He is not involved. Not even slightly. You DID NOT BUY THE AMP FROM HIM!!!!!! Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?

As far as most of us are concerned, things have already been exposed. You tried to pull a fast one and got denied. Welcome to ca.com. This is how things work here when you try to f*ck over a respected memeber of the community...

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:35 PM
Well idk how you go from pictures of it in the bubble wrap to wire cut for the bass knob

Slayerx
11-10-2011, 02:36 PM
:popcorn: i turned my pornhub off for this

sig'd

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:36 PM
you still have no idea on its condition when it was shipped out.

But you're oh so wrong about that. I sawn it's beauty with mine own two eyes, son. Angels would weep at the sight of that beautiful piece of entry level car audio gear...

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:37 PM
ilikeridingonit is your homie? :uhoh:

I spread the love around, son. You will learn this about me...

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:37 PM
I never posted pics in bubble wrap, it didn't arrive in any sort of bubble wrap. I posted pics of the amp that Jesse sent me, in the condition that it was sent to me in. Period. Seriously, why would I continue with this if I was the perpetuator? That makes no sense. at ALL. Wheres there stories have changed repatedly. Can you honestly not see this?

brodeisel
11-10-2011, 02:38 PM
I think you got scammed before lost and am scamming now but you will lose. BECAUSE ALL WE DO IS WIN

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:38 PM
This is where you're wrong.....AGAIN. He is not involved. Not even slightly. You DID NOT BUY THE AMP FROM HIM!!!!!! Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?

As far as most of us are concerned, things have already been exposed. You tried to pull a fast one and got denied. Welcome to ca.com. This is how things work here when you try to f*ck over a respected memeber of the community...


So what happens when a respected member tries to **** the new guy hmm??? You logic is flawed.

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:38 PM
But you're oh so wrong about that. I sawn it's beauty with mine own two eyes, son. Angels would weep at the sight of that beautiful piece of entry level car audio gear...

Why would the original Jesse have run this entry level amp, when he admittedly is a competitor?

jj4475
11-10-2011, 02:38 PM
I see it man but Im wrong alot to but dont give up if your for real

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:40 PM
I think you got scammed before lost and am scamming now but you will lose. BECAUSE ALL WE DO IS WIN

Oh, right. Sure. I think you need to reassess, I will spend as long as this takes. Believe me. And I am the honest one here, it's clear. And it will become more clear. I have the advantage of being right.

useless idiot
11-10-2011, 02:42 PM
So what happens when a respected member tries to **** the new guy hmm??? You logic is flawed.

The CA.com masses make biased opinions & place blame on the new guy with absolutely no concrete evidence.

Oh6AcCoRd
11-10-2011, 02:44 PM
Oh, right. Sure. I think you need to reassess, I will spend as long as this takes. Believe me. And I am the honest one here, it's clear. And it will become more clear. I have the advantage of being right.

No one has said you're right besides you. I have no reason to even be mad besides all the false accusations you've made.

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:44 PM
The CA.com masses make biased opinions & place blame on the new guy with absolutely no concrete evidence.

agreed

Kangaroux
11-10-2011, 02:44 PM
Why would the original Jesse have run this entry level amp, when he admittedly is a competitor?

He upgraded to a DC1.2K and the only competing he's done this year was a bass race run one time to see what his score was at. Why does the fact that he competes have to do with any of this? Stop steering the topic away from you to make others look bad when you are obviously hiding something. I'm tired of this, I'm not trying to screw anyone over, and I'm tired of you coming in here and trying to ruin my rep just so you can make a quick buck.

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:49 PM
I never posted pics in bubble wrap, it didn't arrive in any sort of bubble wrap. I posted pics of the amp that Jesse sent me, in the condition that it was sent to me in. Period. Seriously, why would I continue with this if I was the perpetuator? That makes no sense. at ALL. Wheres there stories have changed repatedly. Can you honestly not see this?

Why would you continue with this? So you can get a refunc, keep Jesse's pristine amp and return to him a 1kw RF Prime amp that's beat to death. That's why. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out...

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:50 PM
So what happens when a respected member tries to **** the new guy hmm??? You logic is flawed.

My logic would be flawed, if a respected member was screwing over a new fish....but that totally IS NOT what's happening here.

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:51 PM
He upgraded to a DC1.2K and the only competing he's done this year was a bass race run one time to see what his score was at. Why does the fact that he competes have to do with any of this? Stop steering the topic away from you to make others look bad when you are obviously hiding something. I'm tired of this, I'm not trying to screw anyone over, and I'm tired of you coming in here and trying to ruin my rep just so you can make a quick buck.


I find it odd you and the other guy dont seem to be putting much effort in your defense.....maybe because you knew the amp was sent fucked up?

The buyer is putting an awful lot of effort into making it clear he got screwed.

Now I want everyone to answer this one question.


Why would he bother with arguing as much has he had that he got burned on this amp when if he was just out to scam the seller he could have just file a not as described dispute, ship back the amp and get a refund and be done with it???...

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:51 PM
Why would the original Jesse have run this entry level amp, when he admittedly is a competitor?

Maybe he was slumming. I don't know... :)

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:51 PM
He upgraded to a DC1.2K and the only competing he's done this year was a bass race run one time to see what his score was at. Why does the fact that he competes have to do with any of this? Stop steering the topic away from you to make others look bad when you are obviously hiding something. I'm tired of this, I'm not trying to screw anyone over, and I'm tired of you coming in here and trying to ruin my rep just so you can make a quick buck.

Ok, let's put this back on YOU, and this amp. Aren't you a little pissed that you were 'just doing a favor' and it has turned into a sh!ttorm? I have been nothing but open, and am willing to provide any information asked. You, otoh, still haven't accepted that you advertised this as NIB, and now the original owner has said HERE that it was not! Can't you see the disconnect?

ace_800
11-10-2011, 02:52 PM
If Jesse is saying that he is deffinilty positive the amp was pristine when shipped and rideit is saying he got a different amp then whats to say the amp wasn't switched out by the shipping company? Really it ******* happens, not often though.

DaveVT
11-10-2011, 02:53 PM
My logic would be flawed, if a respected member was screwing over a new fish....but that totally IS NOT what's happening here.

any you know this 100% without a ******* doubt???.

If he just wanted to return a jacked up amp for a refund he could do it and you know it. Paypal will just tell him to ship it back and they will refund him. Him arguing in this thread wouldnt make any difference on that.

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:53 PM
The CA.com masses make biased opinions & place blame on the new guy with absolutely no concrete evidence.

Where's your concrete evidence, home skillet? As I said previously; Why should we believe you aren't trying to replace a seriously damaged amplifier at Jesse's expense? Why should we believe you, someone none of us know, over a guy a lot of us know pretty well?

ace_800
11-10-2011, 02:54 PM
Ok, let's put this back on YOU, and this amp. Aren't you a little pissed that you were 'just doing a favor' and it has turned into a sh!ttorm? I have been nothing but open, and am willing to provide any information asked. You, otoh, still haven't accepted that you advertised this as NIB, and now the original owner has said HERE that it was not! Can't you see the disconnect?

But if he was told that it wasn't used, as the "original" owner stated earlier, he informed both it wasn't, thats not his fault.

prevail
11-10-2011, 02:54 PM
My logic would be flawed, if a respected member was screwing over a new fish....but that totally IS NOT what's happening here.

Bull. That is EXACTLY what is happening. Just because YOU can't see the obvious doesn't mean that isn't the truth. How so you account for all of the changing stories, and the fact that it has been established that this wasn't as advertised to begin with?

misfit138
11-10-2011, 02:55 PM
I find it odd you and the other guy dont seem to be putting much effort in your defense.....maybe because you knew the amp was sent fucked up?

The buyer is putting an awful lot of effort into making it clear he got screwed.

Now I want everyone to answer this one question.


Why would he bother with arguing as much has he had that he got burned on this amp when if he was just out to scam the seller he could have just file a not as described dispute, ship back the amp and get a refund and be done with it???...

Sweet mother of mercy that was hard to read...

Z1NONLY
11-10-2011, 02:55 PM
Was the amp represented as NIB or not?

At this point I think we can all agree that there was never a NIB amp for sale in this case. So I want to know if it was presented as NIB.

Link to sale thread?

ace_800
11-10-2011, 02:55 PM
Bull. That is EXACTLY what is happening. Just because YOU can't see the obvious doesn't mean that isn't the truth. How so you account for all of the changing stories, and the fact that it has been established that this wasn't as advertised to begin with?

Again read above....

The_Grimy_One
11-10-2011, 02:55 PM
This is pretty ridiculous now... Just follow thru with the claim I guess. If no one can reach an agreement. Im SO AGAINST scammers, but at least this is a cheap arse amp. Someone make a move, get this done, and move on. As we have all learned, take pics before and after packing, write down the serial #, etc.

Cause I know I do not do these things, at least not to this extent, I will in the future.