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WheresTheButta
08-26-2011, 01:32 AM
Where do you run your midrange speakers? How many and what type?

Door? Dash? Pillars? Kicks?

Don't forget to explain WHY you run them there.

05trailblazer
08-26-2011, 01:33 AM
Roof??

WheresTheButta
08-26-2011, 01:35 AM
Guess I'll go

For my front stage, I've got three midranges on the dash.

A 3" midrange on the left side, a 3" midrange on the right side, and a 4" midrange for the center channel.

I have them on the dash to improve stage height. I had considered kicks because it would help to equalize path lengths, but my kick locations aren't suitable. I had considered pillars but I am afraid my fiberglass skills aren't up to par yet. They might be in the future.


How about you?

05trailblazer
08-26-2011, 01:37 AM
:ohsnap:

05trailblazer
08-26-2011, 01:38 AM
I just have them original, whats your goel basically?? Sq

Davecubs14
08-26-2011, 01:47 AM
Guess I'll go

For my front stage, I've got three midranges on the dash.

A 3" midrange on the left side, a 3" midrange on the right side, and a 4" midrange for the center channel.

I have them on the dash to improve stage height. I had considered kicks because it would help to equalize path lengths, but my kick locations aren't suitable. I had considered pillars but I am afraid my fiberglass skills aren't up to par yet. They might be in the future.


How about you?

I have 4" in the dash, both sides of course. No middle. But for the same reason why I didn't do the pillars. I might do the kicks. I did however put the tweeters in the tweeters and wanted them to be close. It can get loud and it raised the music high. I like it overall.....but it's a little weird when something on the left side only is playing. I got used to it.

WheresTheButta
08-26-2011, 01:51 AM
I have 4" in the dash, both sides of course. No middle. But for the same reason why I didn't do the pillars. I might do the kicks. I did however put the tweeters in the tweeters and wanted them to be close. It can get loud and it raised the music high. I like it overall.....but it's a little weird when something on the left side only is playing. I got used to it.

Dave, this is wheresthebutta. I'm waiting on a name change, I haven't been on this site in ages =)

@ Julio, yes I run a SQ setup

05trailblazer
08-26-2011, 01:55 AM
What kind of hu u have>?

WheresTheButta
08-26-2011, 02:12 AM
What kind of hu u have>?

I use an Addzest Hx-D1. It's basically a Mcintosh design, but the head unit is made by clarion and marketed under their Japanese name - which is Addzest.

Anyway, if you want to know what gear I run shoot me a PM, I don't want to go too off topic here.

KyleBechtold
08-26-2011, 03:13 AM
I placed mine in the doors and they sound great there and even in my truck with big *** doors the sound is great and stage is high.. the tweets are in the sails

Sephious
08-26-2011, 04:14 AM
My mids are in my doors in the stock location and my tweeters are up near the sails on the piece of plastic by the sideview mirrors. Soundstage is about as high as the tweeters are, so just under ear level.

Davecubs14
08-26-2011, 08:02 PM
Dave, this is wheresthebutta. I'm waiting on a name change, I haven't been on this site in ages =)

@ Julio, yes I run a SQ setup

Lol. I thought it was you cause of your avatar. But just thought someone stole it!

okiedokie
08-27-2011, 12:11 AM
I have markaudio chr70 4' inch mids in my A-pillars.
They are widerange, no tweeter.
I really like having the voices coming from the center of my dash.
I can turn my head left to right & my centering on my dash doesn't change.
My setup is active.
Mids= HP at 200hz-slope 6.

I have thought of going back to kicks.

I'm looking at the newer Markaudio mids & running maybe 2 per side.
I may run one in the door & the other one in the A-pillars

KyleBechtold
08-27-2011, 01:06 AM
I have markaudio chr70 4' inch mids in my A-pillars.
They are widerange, no tweeter.
I really like having the voices coming from the center of my dash.
I can turn my head left to right & my centering on my dash doesn't change.
My setup is active.
Mids= HP at 200hz-slope 6.

I have thought of going back to kicks.

I'm looking at the newer Markaudio mids & running maybe 2 per side.
I may run one in the door & the other one in the A-pillars

midbass?

okiedokie
08-27-2011, 05:04 PM
I'm running 2-T3 audio 8's in a sealed kick pods.

ramos
08-29-2011, 04:47 PM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/moyerme/0430101213.jpg


Why? Something to be said for a .75" pld :)

WheresTheButta
08-29-2011, 04:49 PM
Why? Something to be said for a .75" pld :)

at the risk of sounding ignorant, I'm unfamiliar with that acronym. what is a PLD?

ramos
08-29-2011, 04:51 PM
Path length difference. Wanted the car to stage from either seat ;)

keep_hope_alive
08-31-2011, 10:40 PM
my kicks resulted in zero loss of foot well space. i had a vented floor cavity for the midbass, and the midrange used the frame cavity.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Accord%202009/accordkickmids033.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Accord%202009/accord2010kicks002.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Accord%202009/Accord_Apillar008.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Accord%202009/Copyofpasskickdeadenedclose.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Accord%202009/Copyofpasskickozclose.jpg


i've recently stopped running the side mids and moved the 4" mid to where the 6.5" is, and moved to a 6.5" in the door.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Accord%202009/IMG_1243.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Accord%202009/passdoordeadening049.jpg


the why?

PLD is important. ITD and IID are also important. airspace is also important. and i didn't want bulging kicks, i think they are hideous.

i moved away from the side mid due to off axis response up to 5kHz. i wanted a 5kHz (or thereabouts) so my tweeters were in the range of IID and not ITD. I mounted my tweeters off axis to assist with IID. i do not need separate T/A on my tweeters. i due have separate T/A for the mids and midbass (due to door locations).

WheresTheButta
09-01-2011, 12:54 AM
Path length difference. Wanted the car to stage from either seat ;)

ah, I know what path length difference is and why it's important - just didn't know the abbreviation.

what's IID and ITD?

ramos
09-01-2011, 08:54 AM
IID = Interaural intensity difference
ITD = Interaural time difference

:)

keep_hope_alive
09-01-2011, 07:29 PM
funny you should ask... i have a nice visual that i just made today, taken from NFPA 72 Annex A

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Sound%20Domain/HRTFexplained.jpg

optimusprime
09-02-2011, 12:25 AM
funny you should ask... i have a nice visual that i just made today, taken from NFPA 72 Annex A

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/Sound%20Domain/HRTFexplained.jpg

**** it jim im a line cook not an acoustic engineer!

hemimaddness
09-12-2011, 12:31 AM
i built custom pods on the dash for my midds and tweets works well

keep_hope_alive
09-12-2011, 12:58 AM
pics?

ramos
09-14-2011, 10:32 AM
i built custom pods on the dash for my midds and tweets works well

Mr. Delgado's car is indeed pretty **** nice. I haven't heard it in 3 or four years though :)

cablguy184
10-16-2011, 10:07 PM
My tweeters are in the A-pillars
5.25 mid for a center channel
6.5 midbass drivers in the doors
imageing tweeters for rears

cablguy184
10-17-2011, 12:38 AM
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/482/1929/26203464089_large.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/482/1929/26203464075_large.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/482/1929/26203464105_large.jpg

I have to take better pics ASAP ... I know ...

UnderFire
10-17-2011, 12:40 AM
The worst possible place, in the door, right on the edge, and they are there because some idiot chopped a hole right there (with a ****** saw) before I got the truck.

Louisiana_CRX
10-17-2011, 12:52 AM
Where do you run your midrange speakers? How many and what type?

Door? Dash? Pillars? Kicks?

Don't forget to explain WHY you run them there.

Im not reading everything...but its probably been mentioned the Kicks are your best location because that is the best place in a vehicle to acheive close to equal sound wave paths....other locations will work using time alignment to shorten or increase the sound wave....time alignment is also a plus even using the kicks ...the object is to get both sides arriving to your hearing at the same time ....also positioning speakers so they aim at ypu is a plus...I use laser alignment on mine....

cablguy184
10-17-2011, 01:32 AM
I pulled my midbass driver out of the kick pannels and went into the doors for several reasons ...
more air space without shooting a hole through the outside of the vehicle ... I have a work truck, venting through the bottom would let water in while at work ...
better left and right separation ... made things more distinct and accurate ... and better aiming matched the tweeters ...
Drivers basically came "alive" in the doors ...

putting the 5.25 in the center channel (at a VERY low level) just seemed to bring everything together and enhance stage and image ...
the tweeters in the rear was installed to enhace the stage and image also ... creating more width to the listeners (2 seat judging) ...

all of this done WITHOUT time alignment and processing ... and basically flat EQ ...

keep_hope_alive
10-18-2011, 09:59 AM
thanks Randal! i hope to hear your truck at an event one day. i just need to travel south.

i am impressed with vehicles that can create a sound stage without relying on time alignment. and to create a 2-seat sound stage is the goal.

cablguy184
10-18-2011, 10:31 AM
thanks Randal! i hope to hear your truck at an event one day. i just need to travel south.

i am impressed with vehicles that can create a sound stage without relying on time alignment. and to create a 2-seat sound stage is the goal.
Yes Sir !!! Good to chat with you again !!!
I really need to get this truck painted before I start showing it again ... working out of it and daily driving punishment is really taking a toll on it ...
I'm looking for another truck to drive and give this thing some down time ... I have enought deadner to finish the cab, but there is other stuff (non car audio) I want to do to it in the process ... Just got to find the time and money ...

Joseph7195
10-18-2011, 10:34 AM
I absolutely loved the sound in his truck. Though I am by no means an expert(recently started learning about SQ a year ago, after hearing Randal's truck) I really think you would be impressed Keep_Hope_Alive. I am gonna start fabricating some kick panels to see if I like the difference over my stock speaker locations. I want more mid, but overkill(too many speakers) isn't necessary as long as the installation and attention to detail is done, from what I have heard.

cablguy184
10-18-2011, 10:48 AM
I absolutely loved the sound in his truck. Though I am by no means an expert(recently started learning about SQ a year ago, after hearing Randal's truck) I really think you would be impressed Keep_Hope_Alive. I am gonna start fabricating some kick panels to see if I like the difference over my stock speaker locations. I want more mid, but overkill(too many speakers) isn't necessary as long as the installation and attention to detail is done, from what I have heard.

WOW !!! Good to hear from you again Sir !!!
Thank you !!! Can't wait to see you at the next competition !!!
You need to hear Herman's Truck ... Almost the same as yours !!! Might give you some ideas on your install ...

Joseph7195
10-18-2011, 11:15 AM
Good to hear from you too Mr. Randal! I remember his truck at World Finals, but I never had the pleasure to listen to it though. I have a lot to learn before i get into the SQ competitions, but I still go to shows every now and then. I built that box i was talking about, it's a modified T-Line for a 10" sub.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/joseph7195/NewT-LineBox/10-18-2011006.jpg

It sounds pretty darn good with just a cheapie sub in it, so I know it will sound amazing when I get the sub in it that it was built for.

I really want to try moving my mids to the kick-panel, but if it sounds good is another thing all together. What are Herman's mounting locations? If I remember right, he has them stock?

cablguy184
10-20-2011, 03:02 AM
Herman's truck has 6.5 midbass drivers in stock locations (front and rear doors) ... with tweeters high up on the A-pillars and a 4" mid driver for a center channel ...

Why So Cereal?
10-20-2011, 12:55 PM
I pulled my midbass driver out of the kick pannels and went into the doors for several reasons ...
more air space without shooting a hole through the outside of the vehicle ... I have a work truck, venting through the bottom would let water in while at work ...
better left and right separation ... made things more distinct and accurate ... and better aiming matched the tweeters ...
Drivers basically came "alive" in the doors ...

putting the 5.25 in the center channel (at a VERY low level) just seemed to bring everything together and enhance stage and image ...
the tweeters in the rear was installed to enhace the stage and image also ... creating more width to the listeners (2 seat judging) ...

all of this done WITHOUT time alignment and processing ... and basically flat EQ ...

How are your rear tweeters aimed?

cablguy184
10-20-2011, 10:38 PM
How are your rear tweeters aimed?
basically on axis with each other angled up towards the center of the rear view mirror ...

Not the best pic, but the only one I have with the new setup ...
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/482/1929/26203464089_large.jpg

keep_hope_alive
10-23-2011, 11:21 AM
He was asking about rear tweeters. :) but maybe he doesn't want to show his imaging secret.

since this truck has a cut up kick from the previous Blues woofer, but now you are using the door - does this allow you to compete outside of MOD-EX? even though you cut metal, if you aren't using it, do you still have to compete in that category?

cablguy184
10-24-2011, 03:02 AM
Oh ... Sorry about that guys ...
They are behind the driver and passenger / in front of the rear seat listeners on the b-pillars ...

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/482/1929/26203464101_large.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/482/1929/26203464105_large.jpg

KHA ... I'm not sure about that Moddex class in MECA ...
I never "Vented" my kick pannel area, so I just went to the junk yard and reinstalled factory kick pannels ...
I think it is because my wall is cut for my sub enclosure (blow thru) ...

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/482/1921/26203460091_large.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/482/1921/26203460047_large.jpg