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got-one-eight
08-04-2011, 03:23 PM
So I have been out of car audio a while..I gave my g/f my Alpine CDA-9835 and picked up a 9887 which I ran for a couple years. I did not care for this unit. It felt cheap compared to my 9835. It sounded no better and only gave me a few color options. The 9835 did like over 400 colors so you could match it to your interior lighting dead on. I started looking radio's and found my self wondering what happened to Alpine. The CDA-117 is a joke in comparison to thier old units. It looks nice but no 3 way active and I have to buy a stupid add on piece to get any real tuning??? I am guessing our tanking economy had something to do with this. So today if I want a new model single DIN unit with 3 way active ability.. where do I look? Eclipse is gone.. Alpine gave up active.. WTF? So I took back the CDA-9835 (My Precious) and picked up my g/f a Kenwood x895... it can turn purple.. she is happy. Now I am wondering how much longer this unit will last me as it was made in like 2004? So are there any high end units that are still good? I don't mean a $1000 Pioneer but where are the good 500-600$ Single DIN units?

justafifteen
08-04-2011, 03:37 PM
Have you checked out Best Buy? They have some great equipment there

Falcons
08-04-2011, 03:40 PM
kenwood still makes good stuff, alpines arent bad either really. i use pioneer. go on different caraudio selling websites and compare devices

Kangaroux
08-04-2011, 03:42 PM
If you want eclipse you're gonna have to buy used since they stopped production in the US.

Ninesvnsicks
08-04-2011, 03:55 PM
I loved my alpine cda-9833 the crossovers and eq were amazing but the new alpines seem like that don't have anything near as good now.

Rich B
08-04-2011, 03:59 PM
Alpine wants to force you into buying their new H800 processor if you want good sound quality options.

got-one-eight
08-04-2011, 04:50 PM
All good points.. well besides the bestbuy comment.. really? I like the new Kenwoods but they don't do enough for what I want like the older single DIN's thats used to be available. I knew Ecilpse stopped production which *****. Wish I could get my hands on a new 7200MKII. I passed one up a while back for about $400. It feels like there is a certain level of single DIN units that just dont exist anymore. Guess I have to start looking at external pieces to run active and to be able to get the tuning I want. I had introducing extra components into my system...

Ninesvnsicks
08-05-2011, 11:50 AM
I went with Pioneer this time since alpines didn't have crossovers which I need to have. So far I love it, it does everything I want and has a usb port on back and front, although my cda-9833 had a better equalizer since it was parametric instead of graphic.

PioneerZX2
08-05-2011, 02:31 PM
I love my pioneer 5000UB its got an HPF dont know about LPF but i absolutely love the eq curve options very good unit IMO

the Answer
08-05-2011, 10:11 PM
just put a clarion cz500 in my truck today, nice unit, nice eq. 3 4v rcas usb and bluetooth.

Dirtrider4eva
08-05-2011, 10:19 PM
soundstream. pioneer i love mine.. single din LCD ftw :)
ive heard JVC makes good ones, their upper end.
clarion?

Ninesvnsicks
08-05-2011, 11:46 PM
Do clarions have crossovers yet? I looked into them years ago but couldn't find any with crossovers.

Bassin Buick
08-05-2011, 11:52 PM
got a cda-9855 i will sell you.

smgreen20
08-06-2011, 01:36 AM
Do clarions have crossovers yet? I looked into them years ago but couldn't find any with crossovers.
Sense about 2004/2005. Before that, it was the high end HU's along with one of their DSP's. Wifes in bed or I'd go look through all the brochures to find out exactly what year they started.

Other then that it was also their very tippy top of the line HU's, HX-D10, DRX/DRZ9255, my fav the ADCS-1.

wone
08-06-2011, 06:22 AM
i has one of the newest kenwood indash's i can sell yah

Bassin Buick
08-06-2011, 06:25 AM
BTW , the alpine i mentioned is 3 way active 20-20000hz 6/12/18/24db slopes , and has time alignment and a 7 band parametric EQ or a 6 band graphic EQ.

Bettr n' Revrse
08-06-2011, 06:31 AM
I have 2 9855's but want a new pioneer really bad!

Bassin Buick
08-06-2011, 06:34 AM
I have 2 9855's but want a new pioneer really bad! You sir need to be admitted here for this last statement. Peachford Hospital (http://www.peachfordhospital.com/)

Bettr n' Revrse
08-06-2011, 06:36 AM
I'm not talking any pioneer man... I mean the P99!

Bassin Buick
08-06-2011, 06:40 AM
I'm not talking any pioneer man... I mean the P99!**** got a pico fuse and a mediocre s/n ratio like all the other pioneers

Bettr n' Revrse
08-06-2011, 06:42 AM
True but I have heard it blows away 9855's and anything else... What's the deal with those fuses anyway?

Bassin Buick
08-06-2011, 06:45 AM
True but I have heard it blows away 9855's and anything else... What's the deal with those fuses anyway?stupid *** idea pioneer came up with. I dont know. And i will believe the above statement when i hear it for myself. I HAVE NEVER HEARD A HIGH END PIONEER THAT SOUNDED BETTER THAN A HIGH END ALPINE!! LOL

Bettr n' Revrse
08-06-2011, 06:49 AM
stupid *** idea pioneer came up with. I dont know. And i will believe the above statement when i hear it for myself. I HAVE NEVER HEARD A HIGH END PIONEER THAT SOUNDED BETTER THAN A HIGH END ALPINE!! LOL

Just what I have heard... I just want one to run 4 way active!

VWBobby
08-06-2011, 11:17 AM
... What's the deal with those fuses anyway?

Its not a bid deal. As long as you don't ground out your RCAs, short them out, or reverse polarity - you will be fine. From what I can tell, most people that have burned them out were hot-swapping their RCAs or grounded them out to the body. I have a cheap newer Pioneer $80 unit that plays and sounds just as good as some of the more expensive units I've heard.

>>SQL<<
08-06-2011, 11:28 AM
Sounds like you will need to run an external crossover / DSP to get what you want using new equipment.

maljr1980
08-07-2011, 01:26 AM
roadgear makes some good stuff, or dual

Bassin Buick
08-07-2011, 01:43 AM
roadgear makes some good stuff, or dual Go buy some then. LOL

got-one-eight
08-07-2011, 02:25 AM
9855 has Glide Touch and I hate it. It looks like an Alpine CDA-117 wiht an Audio Control EQX would do what I need it to. Atleast with out breaking the bank. The EQ on the Audio Control isn't parametric but its still pretty good. That will be a last resort. My 9835 works great and the face is 9/10 cosmetic condition... praying it lasts me.

Bassin Buick
08-07-2011, 03:52 AM
9855 has Glide Touch and I hate it. It looks like an Alpine CDA-117 wiht an Audio Control EQX would do what I need it to. Atleast with out breaking the bank. The EQ on the Audio Control isn't parametric but its still pretty good. That will be a last resort. My 9835 works great and the face is 9/10 cosmetic condition... praying it lasts me. I would stick with it till it dies , then pay for someone to refurbish it. LOL.

got-one-eight
08-07-2011, 02:33 PM
I would stick with it till it dies , then pay for someone to refurbish it. LOL.

haha.. I was kinda thinking hte same thing. I saw new faceplates on ebay for 110$ shipped I was thinking of picking one up as a spare. I love this radio..

hispls
08-07-2011, 02:53 PM
None of them what they used to be. I think the problem is, these companies can tie up so much R&D into a super high fidelity SQ head unit and only sell 100 of them or produce something that's fair with a bunch of features that's pretty much disposable and sell millions of them. The market drives what the industry makes. I see people here saying things that are total **** are good, so clearly 99% of people are happy with low to average quality stuff.

Honestly I'd say the Alpine (with the add-ons of course) is your best bet if you don't want to buy old/used.

That all being said, I'm moderately happy with high end Kenwood stuff. Not amazing, but priced right so that when it dies in a year and a half I don't shed a tear throwing it away.

zako
08-08-2011, 02:26 AM
None of the mass market head units have active front stage capability. That's their biggest shortfall.. IMO. I don't understand why can't manufacturers make say a $400 head unit with these capabilities:


1. 2-way active front stage.
2. 15-20 band equalizer.
3. Time alignment
4. Bluetooth phone support, USB for Ipod, etc.
5. No internal amplifier please. Only pre-outs.

They would sell like hotcakes..:P

Add 3-way active frontstage capability with extra 2 pre-outs in a $500 premium model.

Pioneer P99RS fits the bill, but the price is just too much..

VWBobby
08-08-2011, 03:25 AM
That's whats frustrating also... It wouldn't cost all that much more to add those features in and they would save a little by not having an internal amp.
As it is, most average - quality units have 3 preouts. It wouldn't take that much more to make a 3-way crossover.

Maybe they figure people looking for that quality can go active at the amp or preamp level?

ramos
08-08-2011, 10:39 AM
stupid *** idea pioneer came up with. I dont know. And i will believe the above statement when i hear it for myself. I HAVE NEVER HEARD A HIGH END PIONEER THAT SOUNDED BETTER THAN A HIGH END ALPINE!! LOL

You serious? :(

VWBobby
08-08-2011, 07:33 PM
Bassin Buick,
I highly doubt that people could pick out an Alpine from say the Pioneer P99RS..... Anytime you get into the $800+ range, I think you would have to have 'golden ears' to be able to pick out the unit, especially in a blind test. (ala Richard Clarke).

Unless you plan on playing CD-audio (only), I don't think you realize that anything that plays MP3's is going to sound comparable, until you get into the CD-A or FLAC loss-less formats.
Don't get me wrong, I think you're pretty cool, but that statement is a little over the top... ;)

Horsemanwill
08-09-2011, 10:06 PM
last i checked i don't think the p99rs has a pico fuse in it. i know mine don't but i have the jap version the 01

Bassin Buick
08-09-2011, 10:26 PM
Bassin Buick,
I highly doubt that people could pick out an Alpine from say the Pioneer P99RS..... Anytime you get into the $800+ range, I think you would have to have 'golden ears' to be able to pick out the unit, especially in a blind test. (ala Richard Clarke).

Unless you plan on playing CD-audio (only), I don't think you realize that anything that plays MP3's is going to sound comparable, until you get into the CD-A or FLAC loss-less formats.
Don't get me wrong, I think you're pretty cool, but that statement is a little over the top... ;)

Why is it over the top?? It's completely true. LOL. I HAVE NEVER HEARD A HIGH END PIONEER!! LOL. Best offering i have heard from them is a mid level premier deck. Now i have heard some bad *** alpines , eclipses , ES , and older clarion's that would **** in every pioneers "that i have heard" cornflakes.

ramos
08-10-2011, 11:28 AM
last i checked i don't think the p99rs has a pico fuse in it. i know mine don't but i have the jap version the 01

ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner. HUGE difference between the regular pioneer and the ODR/Stage 4 products. :)

Bassin Buick
08-10-2011, 11:32 AM
ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner. HUGE difference between the regular pioneer and the ODR/Stage 4 products. :)I still dont understand the point of the pico fuse. LOL

ramos
08-10-2011, 11:35 AM
Supposed safety feature to keep num skullz from shorting out the low level outputs......aka crappy design lol :)

Bassin Buick
08-10-2011, 11:36 AM
Supposed safety feature to keep num skullz from shorting out the low level outputs......aka crappy design lol :) truth ITT! lol

TheUnderFighter
08-10-2011, 02:59 PM
Well, if it's any comfort, I'm still using a Kenwood eXcellon deck that is from '04 or '05 and it's doing just fine... every now and then it'll have a little trouble ejecting a CD, that's it though. But like you, I'm in the market for when it does die. Why not just keep an eye out for a good used Eclipse or Alpine deck? I'm sure something nice will pop-up before yours dies out. If you can find a minty 7200MKII at a good price, who cares if it's used?

Varinabassing
08-10-2011, 03:17 PM
I love my pioneer Never really cared for alpines and all the add ons your have to buy

dumple
08-10-2011, 03:23 PM
you can prokly find a 7200 on ebay, but tge market for high end sq decks isn't worth the effort of making because they will never out sell the 150-200 dollar decks

got-one-eight
08-10-2011, 05:41 PM
I found a couple Eclipse 7200's on ebay.. they are going for about 350+ used! My 9835 is solid so I am good. I wish someoen still made atleast one good high end unit in the 500-600$ range that can do 3way active.

VWBobby
08-11-2011, 01:17 AM
Why is it over the top?? It's completely true. LOL. I HAVE NEVER HEARD A HIGH END PIONEER!! LOL. Best offering i have heard from them is a mid level premier deck. Now i have heard some bad *** alpines , eclipses , ES , and older clarion's that would **** in every pioneers "that i have heard" cornflakes.

If you didn't like the mid-level Premier decks, I'm not sure then. I was a pretty big fan of the late 90's/early 2000's premier line, great CD players (don't skip, sound excellent). The tuners were especially good for weak signals, etc. You really don't have to get into the ~$1100 Stage-4 systems, but I was using it as an example against your Alpine/Eclipse/Clarion EsssQue claim. ;) Its cool though, I'm not biased to any brands...except older soundstream. :D


ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner. HUGE difference between the regular pioneer and the ODR/Stage 4 products. :)

Yes, but he said ANY Pioneer! :D

whitedragon551
08-12-2011, 07:46 AM
I found a couple Eclipse 7200's on ebay.. they are going for about 350+ used! My 9835 is solid so I am good. I wish someoen still made atleast one good high end unit in the 500-600$ range that can do 3way active.

You can find an old school Clarion 9255 for that price or even a Panasonic bottle head if you look in the right place.

I love how everyone hates Pioneer because of the Pico fuse except its their own fault if they blow it.

sundownz
08-12-2011, 08:53 AM
I bought one of the better Alpine HUs out there and it's still not even close to my old 9813 in features... so if you are looking for feature laden head-units good luck; seems that anything besides the $1k Alpine and Pioneer units are stripped.

VWBobby
08-12-2011, 09:43 AM
Its a conspiracy.... :) Alpine is trying to force its customers to buy the $1K units if they want features. In a down economy, they are just shooting themselves in the foot. If anything, at least its making the old units hold their resale value.

papermaker
08-18-2011, 10:53 PM
I really like my x991 it's a ****** deck..
Despot no having the tweeter mid and sub band pass xover it's one of the best sounding units ive ever heard..
It's was 800 back in 2007..
Dual 24 bit DACs ( front and rear)and a 16 bit for the sub
4 band eq front and 4 band for the rear with a variable q and sound shaping options the get perfect phase I don't care where your speakers are placed..
Individual TA front fl/fr/rl/rr/sw then you have a TA for distance of the front to ears rear to ears and sub to ears to help phase from different elevations/plains..
It sounded much cleaner than the prs 880 and 9887..

whitedragon551
08-18-2011, 10:55 PM
I really like my x991 it's a ****** deck..
Despot no having the tweeter mid and sub band pass xover it's one of the best sounding units ive ever heard..
It's was 800 back in 2007..
Dual 24 bit DACs ( front and rear)and a 16 bit for the sub
4 band eq front and 4 band for the rear with a variable q and sound shaping options the get perfect phase I don't care where your speakers are placed..
Individual TA front fl/fr/rl/rr/sw then you have a TA for distance of the front to ears rear to ears and sub to ears to help phase from different elevations/plains..
It sounded much cleaner than the prs 880 and 9887..

Your the first person Ive ever seen compare a Kenwood to the PRS800/PRS880 and the 9887. Heck even the Eclipse CD7100 has a hard time keeping up with those two.

papermaker
08-18-2011, 11:05 PM
I listed to all 3 on the focal krx and a jl slash powering them and the pioneer outright sounded dull the alpine was nice but it sounded muddy in the midrange the kewpie sounded brite at times but the definition was better..

got-one-eight
03-04-2012, 07:46 PM
Well my 9835 is up for sale.. picked up a DRZ9255.. Also noticed Pioneer has the 80prs coming out which looks like a nice option. Glad to see someone coming out with an active unit again.

bigbangtheory
03-05-2012, 08:23 PM
The 80PRS will be sweet indeed. I just picked up a DEH-9400 and I am back in love with Pioneer. I actually always liked Pioneer, just went a different route for awhile. I seem to be back home.

Enjoy your Clarion, awesome unit!

jockhater2
03-05-2012, 08:25 PM
I just got a kenwood Excelon x895

I like it better than the previous HU i had