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Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 01:44 PM
There are obviously a lot of designers in the world right now, and it seems to be expanding every year. Now, I have seen recently a designer, who will not be mentioned as I am not writing this to single out, who I noticed had done some designing before he met me. I have not been to any forums much before, and usually do most of my work locally, but figured I could use the interent to expand my business in hopes to fill the rest of the audio community with actual properly designed enclosures, so they would hear the difference from the stereotypical boom most of us have been exposed to. The hope was to get the community to notice that just designing for physical appeal is not enough, nor designing for strictly dimensional limitations.

But something recently has occured, where another designer has utilized the physical appeal of another designers work (not mine), in a sense to create more opportunities for their own profit. Now, I know that some physical aspects of audio are unavoidable, such as proper bass reflex designs looking somewhat identical, as they need to be most of the time for proper response, if the desired response is to be similar. But to create another design that is perfectly identical......I thought."Wait, I have seen this before somewhere!". So, I did some research (Google is amazing by the way for just about anything), and to my surprise, there it was..a complete IDENTICAL design by a completely different designer. Now, we are not talking about pure physical appeal here, but even if we were, the odds of this are not likely unless BOTH designers have the same approach (And since we are involving acoustics.....this would be unlikely as each design is very sensitive to the physical aspect as well for controlling resonances and such). We are also talking about the designers approach to the customer in pure explanation! Nearly exact with the approach (not wording, just approach-and fairly obvious at that). So, this makes me wonder, "How many designer actually understand the full acoustical aspect of their designs, or any design for that matter?".
For someone paying money for it, it's actually a scary thought.

Now, here is where is gets better.....oh yes, there is more and this is the most important aspect of it all. This "designer" came to me for help on understanding certain acoustical factors that are extremely important in understanding fully in this particular design......and this was after the designer sold the enclosure to the customer.........???? Wait a minute??? So, he built a design (or pretty much copied it), and then SOLD IT with the understanding to the customer that it was "calculated" to be optimal, YET comes to me for questions on the acoustical effects involving the variables of this exact design, asking me a lot about "how" it all works.

THIS...my audio community friends......is about the only thing that I get upset about. My son can **** himself 6 times a day, and that is something "I" can fix. But this?? How do you really know?
It also involves the people who purchase the designs, that are happy with the sound. Now, that makes me wonder if they know what true audio sounds like. Now, this design I am referring to is a typical reproduction of horn box for vehicle use. There is a lot of things to understand about a proper horn, and using them for any more added efficiency, more than for 1/3 octave band, in a vehicle is very tough to achieve properly, and this particular design has the acoustical advantage of not much more than a properly coupled bass reflex with a physical expansion much smaller for vehicle coupling to get the efficiency it really can achieve. That being said, basically, its a physically modified ported box made to resemble a proper horn, BUT this is true because of the calculated response only, as it is a proper horn by all means, just not anything below 80Hz efficiency (for this particular design). I know, because I have calculated it.

So, what my point? BE AWARE!! Make sure the designer is doing something that they understand fully. Research them. Ask them tough questions about the designs. And then google their answers to see if you can find them in the top listing information (this is something that a lot of people do on the internet to seem more intelligent).

What can I do about this? Nothing other than make sure you all know the real deal of what is going on in the audio community nowadays with all the designers becoming known through our forums and websites. Dont get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with trying to expand in something you love to do, but do it properly (note to the designers). Make sure you completely understand what your designing. Most of us know what good sound sounds like, but also are camo'ed by typical bass in car audio as resonances make it so we do not know anymore what direct pressure or the difference between intensity and pressure really is. So, just about anything big in a small car will sound good now days for quite a few people. This is why walls are so popular, because the calculations behind them are less sensitive to loud bass reproduction.

So, again, please be aware (not scared) of who you purchase from over the internet with audio designs. Look at my signature saying. This means a LOT to me, and is not just something to sound spunky. It is completely true. I can make a design look completely sick as hell, and try to sell it on EBAY, and many people will view it, and quite a few will ask questions, and some will actually purchase it. But get something that is more concentrated on sound reproduction instead of appeal, and not many people will touch it. So, be aware, that is all.

mast240
07-28-2011, 01:52 PM
ok... either call out someone or dont bro.. dont just say.. the "designer"

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 01:53 PM
Not sure what you mean, sorry.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 01:56 PM
ok... either call out someone or dont bro.. dont just say.. the "designer"

That is not the purpose of this topic. The purpose is to be aware and ask a lot of questions about who you have do work for you. This was brought up to help open up the thought of what I have discovered to everyone here..not to call someone out. That would be wrong and very unprofessional to name anyone.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 01:57 PM
That is not the purpose of this topic. The purpose is to be aware and ask a lot of questions about who you have do work for you. This was brought up to help open up the thought of what I have discovered to everyone here..not to call someone out. That would be wrong and very unprofessional to name anyone.

Also, it does not mean it is anyone of this forum. I believe everyone in this forum who designs does great work so far.

Imtjnotu
07-28-2011, 02:11 PM
.....so who the **** is this design stealing *****....i doubt ram or buck.....

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 02:17 PM
.....so who the **** is this design stealing *****....i doubt ram or buck.....

Oh no, Not on this forum as I am aware of. But again, and this is not to play games, because thats not what Im about, but I will not mention any call names. They do exists on the internet, I have found them and checked out their work. But again, the purpose is not to call anyone out or start anything terrible to scare anyone from purchasing....just to be aware...in a positive way, and ask a lot of questions to the designer before you do business with them, unless obviously if you have before and have been satisfied. It just upset me a lot to find this out and I had to say something about it because it hurts the rest of us who put a lot of work into waht we have accomplished so far. Everyone here who designs understands that. And it needs to be said, because it does exist. This is not a promotional trick, Im just appalled at what I found out and know everyone here will be greatful that it was mentioned, because it may help someone later on.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 02:29 PM
It was typed to help people understand that there are those out there who try to steal the work of others to make it easier for them. I am sorry if you do not like what you read, I really am. But, as a designer, I am upset that I found what I did, and thought to share it.

bubbagumper6
07-28-2011, 02:44 PM
I hope the spelling mistakes in your name are intentional...

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 02:48 PM
I hope the spelling mistakes in your name are intentional...

yes, lol. There is a limitation on how many letters you can use in the name. And for it to say the full name, some vowels needed to be taken out for it to fit. Not sure why that is a concern though.......

bubbagumper6
07-28-2011, 03:33 PM
yes, lol. There is a limitation on how many letters you can use in the name. And for it to say the full name, some vowels needed to be taken out for it to fit. Not sure why that is a concern though.......

Well if it wasn't intentional I had planned to ridicule you for it...but alas, I cannot

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 03:44 PM
Well if it wasn't intentional I had planned to ridicule you for it...but alas, I cannot

:) Sorry to burst the fun. I can change it so you have fun with it, but I have to wait 30 more days to get it back, lol.

>>SQL<<
07-28-2011, 04:09 PM
This is the same guy that wants us to have 5 of our friends buy a design from him so he can bless us with a free design.
He has been here for less than a month but acts like we should all be hanging from his nut sack.
Someone is just a little too full of himself.

RAM_Designs
07-28-2011, 04:55 PM
This is the same guy that wants us to have 5 of our friends buy a design from him so he can bless us with a free design.
He has been here for less than a month but acts like we should all be hanging from his nut sack.
Someone is just a little too full of himself.


Who, the OP?

sacsking916
07-28-2011, 05:02 PM
Who, the OP?

i believe thats who he was referring too

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 05:11 PM
This is the same guy that wants us to have 5 of our friends buy a design from him so he can bless us with a free design.
He has been here for less than a month but acts like we should all be hanging from his nut sack.
Someone is just a little too full of himself.

If thats how you feel. :) Not full of myself at all. I am a business man. And a disabled vet, so I would appreciate a little respect. What I am offering is called a promotional offer. Many businesses do it. And if you have not noticed, I am a supporting vendor.......I have the right.
I apologize for being full of knowledge (chuckle). Blame it on evolution, I guess. Anyhow, Im not upset at what you said. I respect that. You do not know me, but please do not make automatic assumptions of my purpose here. I am always here to help.
I may be new to this forum, but I have been in business since 2008. And have been involved in sound reproduction for over 10 years. Im not a noob. I have been through a real chain of command, this is nothing to me. But I respect its purpose just as you should respect mine..which is to help if possible.

winkychevelle
07-28-2011, 05:46 PM
so basically your telling me u know how to design a box for every car to be optimal. which im referencing that this guy came to you asking about responses on a particular design of which you so said designed yourself.

hmmm i can say that im 100% sure that you could not design a box that would have a flat response in my car the first time.

i ask questions when i design boxes here and there from other installers like when i have never work on a particular car. but even still i cant stay "hey ive done this in the same car and it will put up xxx.xx number with this certain equipment" as every single car is different.

most designs are trial by error to acheive the best desired result and not one person can argue me on this situation.

you can get butt hurt all u want cuz this guy used this design that you "created" i can make some random design and it might happen to match yours maybe its just coincidence but even if he did just copy the design who cares its not stealing he prolly got the design from another customers box and just copied it which isnt stealing as the first customer already paid for it so u now do not own that design "u sold it"

id be willing to trust quite a few of these guys on here if i needed to as none of them claim to have such high grasp of the knowledge that they say their designs are perfect. they make you a design that they think with work well in which many cases it does. nobody knows everything.

bubbagumper6
07-28-2011, 05:54 PM
you can get butt hurt all u want cuz this guy used this design that you "created" i can make some random design and it might happen to match yours maybe its just coincidence but even if he did just copy the design who cares its not stealing he prolly got the design from another customers box and just copied it which isnt stealing as the first customer already paid for it so u now do not own that design "u sold it"

Selling a single item is not the same as selling the rights to produce the item, you should have learned about copyright laws and whatnot in high school.

winkychevelle
07-28-2011, 06:00 PM
Selling a single item is not the same as selling the rights to produce the item, you should have learned about copyright laws and whatnot in high school.

this is were u have your legal loop holes though. i can buy a dvd a burn a copy and give it to someone else, but i cannot sell the copy. if you own the box you can do what you please with it including reproduce the design. unless of course this guy makes everyone sign legal documents saying other wise.

and beside it's like i said i can literally make a random design that he might have an exact copy of i cant say he stole the designs as he may have designed it himself and as i dont have the design copyrighted just as he doesnt i cant say a thing

mast240
07-28-2011, 06:07 PM
Selling a single item is not the same as selling the rights to produce the item, you should have learned about copyright laws and whatnot in high school.

yea but I highly doubt that anyone actually has an actual copyright on each one of their box designs

winkychevelle
07-28-2011, 06:08 PM
yea but I highly doubt that anyone actually has an actual copyright on each one of their box designs

exactly what i just said lol

bubbagumper6
07-28-2011, 06:09 PM
this is were u have your legal loop holes though. i can buy a dvd a burn a copy and give it to someone else, but i cannot sell the copy. if you own the box you can do what you please with it including reproduce the design. unless of course this guy makes everyone sign legal documents saying other wise.

and beside it's like i said i can literally make a random design that he might have an exact copy of i cant say he stole the designs as he may have designed it himself and as i dont have the design copyrighted just as he doesnt i cant say a thing

No you cannot, I'm not sure who told you that but they're a liar and an idiot. Have you never actually read the warnings they put in there? Copying for your own personal use is a legal grey area but distributing those copies is most certainly illegal.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 06:10 PM
so basically your telling me u know how to design a box for every car to be optimal. which im referencing that this guy came to you asking about responses on a particular design of which you so said designed yourself.

hmmm i can say that im 100% sure that you could not design a box that would have a flat response in my car the first time.

i ask questions when i design boxes here and there from other installers like when i have never work on a particular car. but even still i cant stay "hey ive done this in the same car and it will put up xxx.xx number with this certain equipment" as every single car is different.

most designs are trial by error to acheive the best desired result and not one person can argue me on this situation.

you can get butt hurt all u want cuz this guy used this design that you "created" i can make some random design and it might happen to match yours maybe its just coincidence but even if he did just copy the design who cares its not stealing he prolly got the design from another customers box and just copied it which isnt stealing as the first customer already paid for it so u now do not own that design "u sold it"

id be willing to trust quite a few of these guys on here if i needed to as none of them claim to have such high grasp of the knowledge that they say their designs are perfect. they make you a design that they think with work well in which many cases it does. nobody knows everything.

yes, with obvious smoothing factors, but no it was not my design I was referring to either. Make sure you read it correctly next time. As far as flat response the first time, its possible of course, but flatline full passband at +/-3db......with the way the vehicle resonances peak and null, you will need crossover control for some of it as the resonances are not controlled by pure physics but different resonances and modes can be determined from positioning for the flattEST possible response. Even sealed designs, you would be surprised if you do not smooth the octave bands, and create a perfectly sealed environment, that even that is not flat all the time. It changes every vehicle, and If you like, I will post up a thread proving it by building a design for my vehicle and showing the calculated vs actual responses from that. I will do that no problem if you want to question my work. But, I do encourage the questioning. People are afraid of what they do not know now days, which is understandable.....were human. So, with all do respect, yes I can, the best possible that your vehicle will allow.

I have to note also, though, without knowing the actual dampening factors of your vehicle, by knowing the materials and where they are located and such, and seat placement and so on and so on, there will always be a deviation unless I get all that information, which I dont know anyone that is well known for designing has time for that in a single design without getting pretty backed up or charging an arm and a leg.
Hope this helps.

bubbagumper6
07-28-2011, 06:12 PM
yes, with obvious smoothing factors, but no it was not my design I was referring to either. Make sure you read it correctly next time. As far as flat response the first time, its possible of course, but flatline full passband at +/-3db......with the way the vehicle resonances peak and null, you will need crossover control for some of it as the resonances are not controlled by pure physics but different resonances and modes can be determined from positioning for the flattEST possible response. Even sealed designs, you would be surprised if you do not smooth the octave bands, and create a perfectly sealed environment, that even that is not flat all the time. It changes every vehicle, and If you like, I will post up a thread proving it by building a design for my vehicle and showing the calculated vs actual responses from that. I will do that no problem if you want to question my work. But, I do encourage the questioning. People are afraid of what they do not know now days, which is understandable.....were human. So, with all do respect, yes I can, the best possible that your vehicle will allow.

I have to note also, though, without knowing the actual dampening factors of your vehicle, by knowing the materials and where they are located and such, and seat placement and so on and so on, there will always be a deviation unless I get all that information, which I dont know anyone that is well known for designing has time for that in a single design without getting pretty backed up or charging an arm and a leg.
Hope this helps.

I'd like that simply because I wouldn't mind reading it (and maybe learning something).

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 06:16 PM
so basically your telling me u know how to design a box for every car to be optimal. which im referencing that this guy came to you asking about responses on a particular design of which you so said designed yourself.

hmmm i can say that im 100% sure that you could not design a box that would have a flat response in my car the first time.

i ask questions when i design boxes here and there from other installers like when i have never work on a particular car. but even still i cant stay "hey ive done this in the same car and it will put up xxx.xx number with this certain equipment" as every single car is different.

most designs are trial by error to acheive the best desired result and not one person can argue me on this situation.

you can get butt hurt all u want cuz this guy used this design that you "created" i can make some random design and it might happen to match yours maybe its just coincidence but even if he did just copy the design who cares its not stealing he prolly got the design from another customers box and just copied it which isnt stealing as the first customer already paid for it so u now do not own that design "u sold it"

id be willing to trust quite a few of these guys on here if i needed to as none of them claim to have such high grasp of the knowledge that they say their designs are perfect. they make you a design that they think with work well in which many cases it does. nobody knows everything.

This is completely different than figuring for full response also to be noted. Figuring for exact spl numbers is not something anyone can do without knowing what the vehicle does before (usually by actually being there), or calculating for the EXACT positioning of the mic, subs, cabin area, resonances, modes, reflection points, diffraction values, absorption coefficients, etc. It goes on and on. Without any of those variables, the exact number is not known in any design until you guys do your tuning thing, which is perfectly fine, escpecially if you are going into a comp.it is part of the procedure that makes a big difference. This is the thin line between calculated and actual that people aruge quite a bit, and it is not something that can be argued as it is true to a point, but not fully. I can design you a response that will sound like the one calculated and give everything about the design you need for proper operation, but unless I am physically there (which is why I mainly do local designs), you not having those factors available makes the design ALWAYS less accurate than perfect. Saying a design is optimal does not being perfect. It means as good as it can be with the limitations given. No one can design a perfect box, but we can get pretty darn close.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 06:20 PM
I'd like that simply because I wouldn't mind reading it (and maybe learning something).

Sure! I can start working on something this weekend. it may take a few weeks to complete, as I have kids and another job, and this one actually keeps me pretty busy with the exception of having to stay on here for hours trying to explain myself. but ok. Ill take that challenge in a heartbeat. Let meput something together in the next few weeks. I will build a simple box, and test my calculations with real world response. No deviations, no filters, nothing else but raw response. Now, you have to keep in mind, that everyones equipment will vary this response as well, such as subsonic filters, voltage differences, phase differences9if you put it where its not calculated for), and other electronic factors that cause limitations, like crossover frequencies and such, but within the passband will be the focus and concern of accuracy for this project. Im excited to do this, might take a bit, but be prepared.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 06:24 PM
so basically your telling me u know how to design a box for every car to be optimal. which im referencing that this guy came to you asking about responses on a particular design of which you so said designed yourself.

hmmm i can say that im 100% sure that you could not design a box that would have a flat response in my car the first time.

i ask questions when i design boxes here and there from other installers like when i have never work on a particular car. but even still i cant stay "hey ive done this in the same car and it will put up xxx.xx number with this certain equipment" as every single car is different.

most designs are trial by error to acheive the best desired result and not one person can argue me on this situation.

you can get butt hurt all u want cuz this guy used this design that you "created" i can make some random design and it might happen to match yours maybe its just coincidence but even if he did just copy the design who cares its not stealing he prolly got the design from another customers box and just copied it which isnt stealing as the first customer already paid for it so u now do not own that design "u sold it"

id be willing to trust quite a few of these guys on here if i needed to as none of them claim to have such high grasp of the knowledge that they say their designs are perfect. they make you a design that they think with work well in which many cases it does. nobody knows everything.


This is inarguable and I completely agree with this statement. No one claims to be perfect. If you feel I am that way, or claim to be, then you are mistaken, but you do notice my confidence? There is a reason for that. And right, no one is perfect. No one should claim to be. But we can do some amazing things we can. :)

winkychevelle
07-28-2011, 06:28 PM
yes, with obvious smoothing factors, but no it was not my design I was referring to either. Make sure you read it correctly next time. As far as flat response the first time, its possible of course, but flatline full passband at +/-3db......with the way the vehicle resonances peak and null, you will need crossover control for some of it as the resonances are not controlled by pure physics but different resonances and modes can be determined from positioning for the flattEST possible response. Even sealed designs, you would be surprised if you do not smooth the octave bands, and create a perfectly sealed environment, that even that is not flat all the time. It changes every vehicle, and If you like, I will post up a thread proving it by building a design for my vehicle and showing the calculated vs actual responses from that. I will do that no problem if you want to question my work. But, I do encourage the questioning. People are afraid of what they do not know now days, which is understandable.....were human. So, with all do respect, yes I can, the best possible that your vehicle will allow.

I have to note also, though, without knowing the actual dampening factors of your vehicle, by knowing the materials and where they are located and such, and seat placement and so on and so on, there will always be a deviation unless I get all that information, which I dont know anyone that is well known for designing has time for that in a single design without getting pretty backed up or charging an arm and a leg.
Hope this helps.

this was what i was mainly hitting on i could care less bout the design stealing. and im sure u can make a flat response in your vehicle as u have adequate testing to do so but i highly doubt that you could do the same in mine without having to have the car and do the same test. sometime doing something so small as adding a 10x10 sheet of deadener can throw off a whole design. which is why i say you can do it the first time remotely at least.

i have extensive testing in my car and my latest design has a slight peak at 58hz which is where the car peaks. i can work around this with a crossover but instead ill rebuild my box with a hair bit bigger port or a hair bit bigger volume and tweak it till i find what design worked best then i can go with a crossover.

but my system wasnt designed for flat response and my equipment wasnt either but with what i have so far i only get about a 2-3db difference from 29-75hz but this changes when my voltage picks up or drop or i open the door or turn on the mids and tweets i really hate trying to get a flat response as i like to have a low frequncy bump and a bump in the mid bass range 80-150hz

winkychevelle
07-28-2011, 06:32 PM
This is inarguable and I completely agree with this statement. No one claims to be perfect. If you feel I am that way, or claim to be, then you are mistaken, but you do notice my confidence? There is a reason for that. And right, no one is perfect. No one should claim to be. But we can do some amazing things we can. :)

confidence is a great thing but to much can come of as arrogance. one thing about forums is that if u come on too strong with not enough post most people will discredit you as you havent built a rep on the forum yet. youre gonna have to prove your knowledge to be taken seriously otherwise no one will deal with you

audioholic
07-28-2011, 06:52 PM
IMO, Moble Enclosurs is being very patient, and professional, with his replies here. Lets respect that and keep this discussion on topic, and equally respectful. Thank you everyone.

winkychevelle
07-28-2011, 07:06 PM
[QUOTE=audioholic;7691654]IMO, Moble Enclosurs is being very patient, and professional, with his replies here. Lets respect that and keep this discussion on topic, and equally respectful. Thank you everyone.[/QUOTe

but he started complaining out of the dome

RAM_Designs
07-28-2011, 07:10 PM
But we can do some amazing things we can. :)

Who exactly is "we"? Just wondering.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 08:07 PM
confidence is a great thing but to much can come of as arrogance. one thing about forums is that if u come on too strong with not enough post most people will discredit you as you havent built a rep on the forum yet. youre gonna have to prove your knowledge to be taken seriously otherwise no one will deal with you

I respect that and understand, but think of this......you have to start somewhere right? Well, here is my beginning. I hope you can understand that. As far as being too strong, not sure but that sounds more judgmental than actual. So, it sounds like their is an average moderation to be determined? If so, what is the breaking point of giving out knowledge? Not sure there should be one. But I do understand what you mean. :) Just based on judgemental factors rather than respect, thats all.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 08:09 PM
Who exactly is "we"? Just wondering.
"We" refers to everyone here. There is no singling out in my perspective. If you understand the concepts, you can achieve the concepts. I think everyone here can do that quite well. Do you disagree? If so, who do you think needs help? Please point that out so we can help them.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 08:12 PM
[QUOTE=audioholic;7691654]IMO, Moble Enclosurs is being very patient, and professional, with his replies here. Lets respect that and keep this discussion on topic, and equally respectful. Thank you everyone.[/QUOTe

but he started complaining out of the dome

Not a complaint. An "Awareness" hence the title. The thread did not say, "this is F***** up, guess who is a stealer of designs?!". There was no complaining, you miss the entire purpose of the thread, but I hope you understand it now. As far as the Dome......I believe as a member, the website allows me to post there, correct? If I am not allowed to, please let me know so I can fix it. The Dome seemed like a great place for this as the importance, to me, is severe. So, please tell me if I am doing anything wrong.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 08:24 PM
I just want to note, to simplify everything. I understand everyone's concerns. I am new to you as well as you are to me. Understand that everything coming from me is either educational, or productive or both as much as possible. i do not mean any harm as I do not know your knowledge either, but instead, because you are a part of a great forum, I will consider you professional in your knowledge, but will correct you when your incorrect if I notice it. It's only because I want to help. I hope you all understand this. And if not, then I hope one day you will, when you can earn my trust as a valued member, which will be just that. I am not upset at anything that has been said, as it comes from curiosity, which makes it knowledge. SO, that being said, thank you for your concerns, and I hope to prove to you soon that I am well capable of very precise accuracy in designing and engineering enclosures. My knowledge comes from college and military. I do not play with numbers, I work with them. And if it doesn't work, I do not simple move on, if find out why. This makes me a strong supporter in the audio community, I believe.

So, that being said, please understand my intentions as being nothing more than good. That should be enough for now to accept me, until I can get more posts in that are beneficial, lol.
Thanks guys
Mobile

subzero
07-28-2011, 08:39 PM
Seems like there are allot of people getting offended by this thread, I see no reason why anyone should be getting offended unless they feel they are being targeted, or if you have a guilty conscience, then that is touché. If you know you are ligit, then there should be no concern on your mind. Furthermore OP makes a very good point because allot of people try to help (with good intentions) but have absolutely no idea what the dynamics and calculations are involved and how they will interact. I openly suggest that it is merely a matter of (it worked for this guy, so I assume it will work for you) even after a few fitting adjustments. So, I agree with OP, educate yourself on the products, services and applied data before your trusting nature misleads you towards what could be a possible equipment failure.

Buck
07-28-2011, 08:44 PM
I might as well say hello :wave:

I'm not the best box designer out there, but I do my own work and help people that are just getting into the game.

Moble Enclosurs
07-28-2011, 08:53 PM
I might as well say hello :wave:

I'm not the best box designer out there, but I do my own work and help people that are just getting into the game.

Hey Buck!:wave: I heard about you. You are an amazing designer, don't be so modest, lol. Glad you could join the very active thread here. :) Mostly made of my posts, but I love to explain things. It's a part of me. Anyhow, thanks for introducing yourself to me. You can call me Mobile if you like. That is my local call sign, lol. Later!

>>SQL<<
07-28-2011, 09:57 PM
This OP seems like he is going to be a good guy on this board.
He just came out seeming arrogant to me but after reading his responses he doesn't actually seem like he is.

T.I.K.
07-28-2011, 11:38 PM
This OP seems like he is going to be a good guy on this board.
He just came out seeming arrogant to me but after reading his responses he doesn't actually seem like he is.

He just doesn't like fake *******, that's all.

Moble Enclosurs
07-29-2011, 09:59 AM
He just doesn't like fake *******, that's all.

nothing wrong with that...I mean, lol, that was the whole purpose of my thread, because of a fake *****, lol.

Im going to be posting a thread called comparison responses today as I am nearly completed with it. Gonna do some measurements this morning in the car and Ill post it up for you guys. Its a rough thing, so mistakes may be made in typing and such i dont know, I havent reviewed it, but I kinda do not want to because I want it to be as real as possible.
Remember guys, thread called, "comparison responses".

Moble Enclosurs
07-29-2011, 01:18 PM
here is the thread link for you guys.
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/enclosure-design-construction-help/519562-comparison-responses.html