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Heeltoeclutch
04-10-2011, 01:22 PM
Does SSA make a 10" D2 DCON? I've been doing some research on this sub and it seems like a well-priced SQL sub... saw this thread (http://www.caraudio.com/forums/subwoofers/508866-ssa-dcon-10-output.html) and I'm now interested.
How does this sub do on taking power? I'd probly be running it (SVC 4 ohm) from an OS USA-150x (rated at 500 at 4 ohms), unless they make a D2 version, in which case I could use my USA-50HC, 375 at 1 ohm. Buuuut I'm not seeing it on SSA's store. So I suppose it doesn't exist.

I'd be running it in a ported box built to spec. Would 1/2" be acceptable?

If anyone has recommendations for similarly-priced 10" subs that will get loud with good SQ I'd be interested. The Dayton HO was also recommended to me for SQ purposes, but I've read reviews that it doesn't get as loud as people would like.

So-

1. D2 version?
2. Power handling capabilities?
3. 1/2" okay?
4. Other similar $$$ SQL subs?


Thanks for your help guys :)

Kangaroux
04-10-2011, 01:38 PM
If you use 1/2" I'd brace the box just in case.

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 02:31 PM
no D2 and 500 watts will be ok just set your gains to be sending it around 350. I had mine on 400 each and it was fine. But i think 500 may be pushing it. Remember it's a ****** woofer , but it's still only a 2" coil. 500 is not really needed to get that woofer going nicely.

Kangaroux
04-10-2011, 02:34 PM
if you want to run more power to them, i would do something like a single 12" icon. they come in dual 2 and can take 1k watts

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 02:37 PM
if you want to run more power to them, i would do something like a single 12" icon. they come in dual 2 and can take 1k watts yeah , 500 watts will be nice on an icon , and IMO the icon sounds just as nice as the dcon.

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and 1/2" is too small for any sub IMO.

Heeltoeclutch
04-10-2011, 02:37 PM
if you want to run more power to them, i would do something like a single 12" icon. they come in dual 2 and can take 1k watts

weight, enclosure size :crap: I'd love to run a 12 though. 1 cube and a 20 lb sub is already pushing it :p:

09civic
04-10-2011, 02:39 PM
no D2 and 500 watts will be ok just set your gains to be sending it around 350. I had mine on 400 each and it was fine. But i think 500 may be pushing it. Remember it's a ****** woofer , but it's still only a 2" coil. 500 is not really needed to get that woofer going nicely.

Show em the vid david

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 02:41 PM
Go ahead and get the DCON , just tune your gains accordingly. I believe it may handle the 500 watts , but it probably wont be a huge gain in output and might shorten the life of the sub. Set the gains around 350-400 watts and you will be impressed and it will last you a long time.

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Show em the vid david LMAO!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSnXFgdVtZU

Kangaroux
04-10-2011, 02:44 PM
weight, enclosure size :crap: I'd love to run a 12 though. 1 cube and a 20 lb sub is already pushing it :p:

Woops, thought when you said few ssa dcon 10's you meant you were gonna run 2 lol.

What kind of space are you restricted to? Ported or sealed?

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 02:49 PM
how much does that amp do bridged @ 2 ohms??

09civic
04-10-2011, 02:49 PM
Go ahead and get the DCON , just tune your gains accordingly. I believe it may handle the 500 watts , but it probably wont be a huge gain in output and might shorten the life of the sub. Set the gains around 350-400 watts and you will be impressed and it will last you a long time.

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LMAO!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSnXFgdVtZU

And op, if you do run 500 watts then make sure your power is cleann

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 02:59 PM
And op, if you do run 500 watts then make sure your power is cleann FYI , that wasn't clean power. My new usacoustics is rated at the same wattage and it's louder and cleaner!!!! The usacoustics straight up butt rapes the fosgate amp.

Heeltoeclutch
04-10-2011, 03:14 PM
Woops, thought when you said few ssa dcon 10's you meant you were gonna run 2 lol.

What kind of space are you restricted to? Ported or sealed?

Wellllll I'm a SQ person but after hearing ported and sealed with multiple subs and boxes, I think I'm going to be disappointed if I go sealed again, dB-wise and low-end extension-wise. I need it to go low with ease and plenty of volume. So I was thinking 1 cube at 29 Hz (recommended 28-32 hz).


how much does that amp do bridged @ 2 ohms??

The 150X is stable to 4 ohms bridged - but apparently its been clamped upwards of 800 :crazy: so LOW gains :p:
The USA-50HC is stable to 0.5 ohm bridged... but no D2 :p:


And op, if you do run 500 watts then make sure your power is cleann

I think the OS US amps are some of the cleanest around according to what I've read... and THD <0.006% is winnage :)

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 03:17 PM
Wellllll I'm a SQ person but after hearing ported and sealed with multiple subs and boxes, I think I'm going to be disappointed if I go sealed again, dB-wise and low-end extension-wise. I need it to go low with ease and plenty of volume. So I was thinking 1 cube at 29 Hz (recommended 28-32 hz).



The 150X is stable to 4 ohms bridged - but apparently its been clamped upwards of 800 :crazy: so LOW gains :p:
The USA-50HC is stable to 0.5 ohm bridged... but no D2 :p:



I think the OS US amps are some of the cleanest around according to what I've read... and THD <0.006% is winnage :) yeah. with power that clean you should be ok at around 350-450 watts.

09civic
04-10-2011, 03:24 PM
Sorry didnt read what amp he had. And dcon deff ftw

Heeltoeclutch
04-10-2011, 03:39 PM
I'm trying to enter the DCON into Winisd, but I don't have Z and Le... Are there suggested numbers for these parameters somewhere?

And for Diam., should I say 10 in. (converted), or the cutout diam, or vat?

Tanks :D

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 03:43 PM
Z is the actual ohms it's rated at. so 4 or 2. and LE isn't necessary.

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diameter is the cone diameter , not the actual size of the sub

Heeltoeclutch
04-10-2011, 03:46 PM
Z is the actual ohms it's rated at. so 4 or 2. and LE isn't necessary.

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diameter is the cone diameter , not the actual size of the sub

I thought that was Re? what should go in Re then?

And... I suppose I'll estimate the cone diam... Unless I can find it somewhere else :p:

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 03:49 PM
re is the dc resistance of the coil. gimme a sec and i will look it up

Heeltoeclutch
04-10-2011, 03:50 PM
Thank you kind sir :D

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 03:51 PM
3.9 or 1.95 for the D4 model

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says 7.8 on the website so that is obviously when wired in series. so my figures should be fine.

Heeltoeclutch
04-10-2011, 03:53 PM
so... 3.9 for the SVC I would assume?

Thanks man :)

Bassin Buick
04-10-2011, 03:56 PM
so... 3.9 for the SVC I would assume?

Thanks man :)correct , no problem bro.

denim
04-11-2011, 04:55 PM
:) :)

T.I.K.
04-12-2011, 06:33 AM
Just throwing it out there, but the AQ SDC2.00 comes in an 8" version, if you're worried about weight, and its rated at 500w, butall the other AQ woofers are way under rated, lots of people run 2x rated watts to the HDC subs, so I imagine those little 2.0' s would take some abuse too

Buck
04-12-2011, 06:34 AM
Talk to Bumpin' Goalie, he has 2 of them in his vehicle. I've heard them, they sound great.

T.I.K.
04-12-2011, 06:43 AM
The 2.0s are marginally cheaper as well...

Either sub will leave you satisfied.

Also, are you gonna mount it in your rear deck like you had talked about? Cuz i'd love to design the box, if you'd let me give it a shot

denim
04-12-2011, 12:10 PM
Somethings cost more for a reason. ;)

T.I.K.
04-12-2011, 03:11 PM
Somethings cost more for a reason. ;)

I think I'm gonna compare a DCON to a SDC2.0 for fun, once I get the appropriate funds.

I think it would be interesting to see which is louder and cleaner.

Kangaroux
04-12-2011, 03:37 PM
I think I'm gonna compare a DCON to a SDC2.0 for fun, once I get the appropriate funds.

I think it would be interesting to see which is louder and cleaner.

i think the SD2.5 would be a better comparison considering motor size and what not

T.I.K.
04-12-2011, 04:44 PM
i think the SD2.5 would be a better comparison considering motor size and what not

i guess, i was looking more at power handling and price

09civic
04-12-2011, 04:49 PM
Dc level 2 8 is also a great lil sub. It is really cheap also. Got a great price qoute for one shipped

Heeltoeclutch
04-13-2011, 07:41 PM
Sorry for the absence - school's been busy.

Klash - I have the E8 sealed bolted to my rear deck as I had talked about, and I am not happy with it :crap: I am running 375W to it from a USA-50HC bridged at 1 ohm gain at 1/3ish, and it's just... not loud enough. I had a little active 8" Blaupunkt sub (like 120W) under my seat before this, and that was loud enough... which is why I thought another 8 would do even better with more than twice the power and a better sub and better amp... but it just doesn't cut through my front stage and if I turn it up to where it's starting to be loud enough I fear the sub distorting and the amp gets DISTURBINGLY hot... like hot enough to burn your hand if you left it on long enough. And the previous owner could run it at 0.5 ohm without this issue. :crying:

So I feel like everything is telling me to finally put something in my trunk and finally get more cone area... Which is why I made this thread in the first place... The friend who helped me build the E8's box has a JL 10w3 in his passat, ported box to spec, and that thing is PLENTY loud for me. So my thinking is that a DCON 10 in a ported to-spec box should make me happy...

How do you think the DCON would compare to the 10w3 in terms of both DEEBEEZ and SQ?

Heeltoeclutch
04-13-2011, 07:42 PM
Blast. Doubleness.

09civic
04-13-2011, 10:49 PM
Blast. Doubleness.

gotta love it

Heeltoeclutch
04-13-2011, 11:13 PM
Would you agree with my reasoning *** - and any opinion on the 10w3 comparison?

edit: oh my goodness it doesn't like $ex :laugh:

09civic
04-13-2011, 11:22 PM
Would you agree with my reasoning *** - and any opinion on the 10w3 comparison?

edit: oh my goodness it doesn't like $ex :laugh:

lol well i think the JL will have more SQ. everyone thinks the Dcon is a SQ sub when it really isnt. Im not saying that it lacks SQ at all, but im saying its not up their with the subs that are just strictly SQ

Heeltoeclutch
04-13-2011, 11:43 PM
Sry internet crapped out :(

Pooface. Is there a particular 10" SQLish sub in this price range I should consider? $ex or anyone?

09civic
04-13-2011, 11:46 PM
Sry internet crapped out :(

Pooface. Is there a particular 10" SQLish sub in this price range I should consider? $ex or anyone?

dayton reference or tc epic are some great choices. but the dcon will still give you some reasonable SQ. i just dont know how they do in sealed enclosures

Heeltoeclutch
04-13-2011, 11:51 PM
I considered the dayton... and I had looked into the epic 8 a lil.

I've read that people were unhappy with the dayton's output, and since I'll only be running one that is important to me... The epic 10 is about $61 over budget :p:

And were i to go with the dcon or any other sub at this point, i'd be running ported not sealed... hm.

09civic
04-13-2011, 11:53 PM
I considered the dayton... and I had looked into the epic 8 a lil.

I've read that people were unhappy with the dayton's output, and since I'll only be running one that is important to me... The epic 10 is about $61 over budget :p:

And were i to go with the dcon or any other sub at this point, i'd be running ported not sealed... hm.

what is your budget?

AJM511
04-13-2011, 11:55 PM
I considered the dayton... and I had looked into the epic 8 a lil.

I've read that people were unhappy with the dayton's output, and since I'll only be running one that is important to me... The epic 10 is about $61 over budget :p:

And were i to go with the dcon or any other sub at this point, i'd be running ported not sealed... hm.

The dcon would be great in a ported enclosure


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjQNhPTGGlc

Heeltoeclutch
04-13-2011, 11:57 PM
what is your budget?

Trying hard to keep it to 100. money is very tight now that school has started and work term has ended. :crap:

09civic
04-13-2011, 11:57 PM
The dcon would be great in a ported enclosure

that they do

T.I.K.
04-13-2011, 11:58 PM
ew, don't do sealed, sealed is for lazy people or people who are trunk space jews.

honestly, I think you might be taking this SQ thing a little too far, I think you think that if the sub isn't strictly an SQ sub it's going to sound like arse, DCONs should sound fine.

09civic
04-14-2011, 12:00 AM
Trying hard to keep it to 100. money is very tight now that school has started and work term has ended. :crap:

the dcon is plenty over 100. its about 140/150 shipped for their 10"

Heeltoeclutch
04-14-2011, 12:05 AM
Ha well... I just want to do things right. I've heard my share of $hitty subs and they are $hitty. From what I've read i think the dcon would be a good choice but I just want to get as much input as possible before I spend more moneys...

09civic
04-14-2011, 12:06 AM
Ha well... I just want to do things right. I've heard my share of $hitty subs and they are $hitty. From what I've read i think the dcon would be a good choice but I just want to get as much input as possible before I spend more moneys...

well for the money you certainly cant go wrong.

what all have you heard?

Heeltoeclutch
04-14-2011, 12:07 AM
the dcon is plenty over 100. its about 140/150 shipped for their 10"

SSA Shop- SSA Dcon 10D4 Sub woofer300watt rms (http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/store/products/10%22-SSA-DCON-10D4%7B47%7DS4.html)

115 is close enough and Id think I could stomach the shipping. the tc is 160 shipped. adnfjanekjfnanedfwjaen

edit: shipping is $30... I should kill some children.

Heeltoeclutch
04-14-2011, 12:15 AM
well for the money you certainly cant go wrong.

what all have you heard?

Oh man... recently I heard a gross horrid "concept" 10" sealed, a 10w3 in two different ported boxes, a pair of 19 year-old 10" JLs that sounded d@mn good in a huge ported box, 2 12W7s in a box too small for them, 2 12" Hifonics in a ported, and a 12" MTX ported. I've heard lots of kicker and mtx in the past... not a fan... That MTX I heard recently was loud as f*ck but sounded like absolute @ss... my friend got it and asked me to help tune his system and I was able to help a bit with crossover bizness etc. but still... it was like a noise generator. but it was loud so he was happy :p:

Heeltoeclutch
04-14-2011, 11:48 AM
Is the TC Epic a home theater sub? I was looking at it more closely since discovering the dcon's shipping :p:

09civic
04-14-2011, 11:52 AM
Is the TC Epic a home theater sub? I was looking at it more closely since discovering the dcon's shipping :p:

No it is a great mobile audio drver

Heeltoeclutch
04-14-2011, 12:00 PM
No it is a great mobile audio drver

Interesting. Parts express classifies it not as car audio and a bunch of reviewers use it as a home theater sub... I wish shipping wasn't 1/4 of the DCON's price :crap:

Would you guys go with the epic over the dcon? after shipping it's $15 more... but I have no box specs on it and not sure I want to spend that much yet.

09civic
04-14-2011, 12:06 PM
Interesting. Parts express classifies it not as car audio and a bunch of reviewers use it as a home theater sub... I wish shipping wasn't 1/4 of the DCON's price :crap:

Would you guys go with the epic over the dcon? after shipping it's $15 more... but I have no box specs on it and not sure I want to spend that much yet.

You wont go wrong with either. I personally would do the Dcon, but its just my opinion

Bosstradamus
04-14-2011, 12:11 PM
And op, if you do run 500 watts then make sure your power is cleann

Stop trying to give people advice,you know nothing about car audio.

Bosstradamus
04-14-2011, 12:12 PM
Interesting. Parts express classifies it not as car audio and a bunch of reviewers use it as a home theater sub... I wish shipping wasn't 1/4 of the DCON's price :crap:

Would you guys go with the epic over the dcon? after shipping it's $15 more... but I have no box specs on it and not sure I want to spend that much yet.

Don't listen to a 16 year old kid that has never had any car audio.

09civic
04-14-2011, 02:18 PM
Don't listen to a 16 year old kid that has never had any car audio.

Just because i dont have my own doesnt mean i havent been around it. Ive done installs with my friend. Im not some kid just saying bullshit

T.I.K.
04-14-2011, 02:45 PM
Dear Heeltoeclutch,
Your interest in the DCON's is well founded. I have no personal experience with SSA products, but I have never heard anything bad about them. The TC Epic is another good driver, but i have heard from another member of the forum that TC has had issues with soft parts.

09civic
04-14-2011, 03:54 PM
Dear Heeltoeclutch,
Your interest in the DCON's is well founded. I have no personal experience with SSA products, but I have never heard anything bad about them. The TC Epic is another good driver, but i have heard from another member of the forum that TC has had issues with soft parts.

Where did the real klash go?!?

denim
04-14-2011, 04:02 PM
dayton reference or tc epic are some great choices. but the dcon will still give you some reasonable SQ. i just dont know how they do in sealed enclosures

More then reasonable. ;)

09civic
04-14-2011, 04:13 PM
More then reasonable. ;)

Haha i knew you would chime in sooner or later

T.I.K.
04-15-2011, 02:41 AM
Where did the real klash go?!?

He's tiedup to the oak tree out back, listening to the song "rehab" on repeat for about the last 12 hours

09civic
04-15-2011, 09:19 AM
He's tiedup to the oak tree out back, listening to the song "rehab" on repeat for about the last 12 hours

Poor guy...oh well

Heeltoeclutch
04-16-2011, 03:15 AM
Sooo I forgot that I hadn't received my last paycheck from work term... I checked my online banking just now and found it had been transferred to my account. :D I think I'm going to order the DCON shortly.

09civic
04-16-2011, 09:07 AM
Sooo I forgot that I hadn't received my last paycheck from work term... I checked my online banking just now and found it had been transferred to my account. :D I think I'm going to order the DCON shortly.

Good to hear :)

Were you just getting one or two? What size?

Heeltoeclutch
04-16-2011, 01:48 PM
One. I can't afford the weight or airspace of two :p:

Now I have box questions guys. I've cut the wood for a 1 cube wedge box that will butt up nicely (hopefuly) against my rear seats. SSA recommends a tuning of 28-33 Hz, and after being so disappointed by the inability of my sealed-ness to do anything below high 30s, I was thinking of tuning to 29 or 30. I met Klash though yesterday at a school thing, and he was saying how 32 Hz will dig into 20s just fine... Thoughts?

I will be using an aeroport, as they are lighter. I also don't know what diameter tube to use... I can enter 2" or 4" or whatever into calculators and it'll give me lengths that work for each... what diameter is best for this application?

edit: started a more relevant thread. thanks for all your help everyone :)