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dragonrage
03-30-2011, 06:37 PM
Item(s) for Sale:
(1) Fi BTL-N3 12" subwoofer, brand new in original box



Item(s) Description/Condition:
10/10 - Never used or installed

My cousin and I ordered this for his car, but we screwed up and got the N3 when the N2 would have been better for our application. Fi wants to charge us a 30% restocking fee to send it back, so we would rather just sell it here. This has never been hooked up to power other than any testing Fi did. It has only been out of the box to take pictures.

This is the dual 2 ohm version. It has a blue dustcap. It has the "5" spider and no cooling option. MSRP currently $484 and has a 10-14 day build time. Save $100 and skip the wait!


Price:
$390 + shipping firm. The only trades I really want at the moment are Exodus Audio "X2" subwoofers, particularly Shiva-X2 and Tempest-X2, but feel free to inquire about other trades. Edit: Also looking for a nice laptop 13" to 15.6", Core 2 Duo 45nm (Penryn), Core i3, Core i5, Core i7 processors only. No Core Duo, Merom, AMD anything please.



Shipping and Miscellaneous Item Information:
Item will be shipped from Massachusetts via whatever method is cheapest to you. Or you can ask for a specific carrier if you want. You're paying for the shipping. It's heavy and shipping is going to be over $50 - Possibly even upwards of $75 depending on where you are. Price of shipping will include pickup from my house, as I can't take time off of work to lug it down to a shipping center. Exception is FedEx which I will drop of for free.

Feel free to ask for shipping quotes, giving me your zip code.



Item Pictures:
http://www.sosdan.com/fin3-1.jpg
http://www.sosdan.com/fin3-2.jpg
(I just noticed that the magnet apparently attracted a little wire tie when I took it out to take the picture... Freebie? haha. Goes to show how powerful this motor is!)



I do not yet have feedback on this site but I do have feedback at Heatware from other forums. I do have my username on this forum listed under my Heatware account: ddfromma | HeatWare.com (http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=28518)

The rules say to include feedback link here... I have none here yet, but I'll include it anyway so hopefully my thread doesn't get deleted: dragonrage (http://www.caraudio.com/forums/itrader.php?u=33741)


Thanks,

Dan

CerwinVega_Fan
03-30-2011, 07:13 PM
whoa what the phuck is that??? Lol

Chriszle
03-30-2011, 07:16 PM
That motor looks like it came off of a spaceship

---------- Post added at 06:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:16 PM ----------

Is this the future???

dragonrage
03-30-2011, 11:06 PM
yeah I know it looks really funky. It's the latest BTL series from Fi... N3 has 3 magnets. N2 has 2 of those. N1 is not out yet but it will have 1 of those.

hrtbrk1
03-30-2011, 11:08 PM
nice sub

Chriszle
03-30-2011, 11:09 PM
Thats pretty cool looking, I didn't know Fi was switching things up again.

Bettr n' Revrse
03-30-2011, 11:23 PM
Woaw! after actauly seeing on of these I kinda want it....

Bettr n' Revrse
03-30-2011, 11:23 PM
Woaw! after actauly seeing on of these I kinda want it....

Bettr n' Revrse
03-31-2011, 04:49 AM
Why not so good for daily? I mean I know its an SPL oriented sub but is it that bad daily?

Bettr n' Revrse
03-31-2011, 05:42 AM
No cooling...

I see... Even if you didnt have it on 3000 watts daily?

Bettr n' Revrse
03-31-2011, 05:54 AM
Man I was taking a liking to this one too lol

dragonrage
03-31-2011, 08:44 AM
Why not so good for daily? I mean I know its an SPL oriented sub but is it that bad daily?

Don't mind that. Nick from Fi specifically told us that it is fine to use and play music on as a daily - just that the magnet force is very strong and the frequency response won't be too flat at the bottom end. It can be equalized out with a parametric EQ or MiniDSP. Nick says most people won't even notice. I don't know if that part is true or not. I can't tell you if you would notice it or not.

People keep saying burping only, no cooling, but who are they to say that when Fi is saying that's not the case? Please don't respond here if that's what you want to say. I'm not going into your threads and telling people not to buy your stuff.

If you want it, BnR, let me know, if not, that's okay too.


--BEGIN PASTE OF (PART OF) EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WITH NICK--




It shouldn't have any issues with going low..however what will happen is about 10Hz above your port tuning frequency you will have a 'dip' in the response curve that will peak again a second time about 25Hz above your port tuning frequency..creating a "saddle shape" response curve.

The N2 will peak once and roll off..


--
Thanks!
Nick Morgan
Fi Car Audio




Thanks for your quick response, that is good news! :) What would be the cost/process for swapping this N3 for an N2?

Would you be able to explain to me what you mean by motor force and the negative impact it may have? Length of life? My main concern is sound quality and the ability to "go low" can you offer any recommendations to get the best/most use out of it if i need to keep it?





It won't explode or anything if you play music on it..

In our opinion it has too much motor force for a daily driving and musical scenario. The N2 is more ideal.

sundownz
03-31-2011, 09:16 AM
So is the large aluminum ring missing around the coil ? If it's got a solid core and wide open spaces around the coil should cool just fine.

RAB
03-31-2011, 09:32 AM
nick told me the same thing and he also said that 99% of the people who bought the n3 were going to use it as a daily sub

dragonrage
03-31-2011, 10:21 AM
So is the large aluminum ring missing around the coil ? If it's got a solid core and wide open spaces around the coil should cool just fine.

I can check and answer this when I get home from work if you tell me what I should be looking for... Am I just checking to see if the coil is visible through the gaps between the magnets?

MONSONwarrior
03-31-2011, 10:36 AM
****... wish it was an N2..

GLWS though! Beast of a sub.

dragonrage
03-31-2011, 01:28 PM
****... wish it was an N2..

GLWS though! Beast of a sub.

Wouldn't be selling it if it were an N2 ;) thanks though

sundownz
03-31-2011, 01:39 PM
I can check and answer this when I get home from work if you tell me what I should be looking for... Am I just checking to see if the coil is visible through the gaps between the magnets?

Yes.

dragonrage
03-31-2011, 08:41 PM
Yep coil shows

http://www.sosdan.com/fin3-3.jpg

Bettr n' Revrse
04-01-2011, 12:49 AM
Whats the difference between the n2 and n3?

slim2fattycake
04-01-2011, 01:09 AM
n2 basically like the ufos but lighter, the n3 has a lot more motor force.

Bettr n' Revrse
04-01-2011, 01:16 AM
What sort of box do these need?

Phoenix Risen
04-01-2011, 01:24 AM
exactly what kind of power would this take for daily use and burp abuse?

Go2Sleep
04-01-2011, 01:52 AM
exactly what kind of power would this take for daily use and burp abuse?

more than you can afford pal.

lol bump for unique looking sub..

Bettr n' Revrse
04-01-2011, 01:55 AM
Did you read his sig? I think he can push it just fine...

dragonrage
04-01-2011, 08:37 AM
exactly what kind of power would this take for daily use and burp abuse?

These are quite sensitive subs, about 91dB 1W/1m, so they can actually get pretty loud without needing a million watts. Most 12" subs are more like 85-88dB 1W/1m. However, I believe it is supposed to be able to handle something like 3kW, so I would probably want to be at 2kW+ to get the most out of it. As others have said, "Power handling is NOT a requirement." You do not NEED 3kW to drive this sub. But perhaps you will WANT 3kW for this sub.

sundownz
04-01-2011, 08:43 AM
Yep coil shows

http://www.sosdan.com/fin3-3.jpg

That will cool just fine. The only issue may be if the gap is ultra tight -- but I would doubt it's tighter than an MT so it should be alright.

Phoenix Risen
04-01-2011, 02:51 PM
These are quite sensitive subs, about 91dB 1W/1m, so they can actually get pretty loud without needing a million watts. Most 12" subs are more like 85-88dB 1W/1m. However, I believe it is supposed to be able to handle something like 3kW, so I would probably want to be at 2kW+ to get the most out of it. As others have said, "Power handling is NOT a requirement." You do not NEED 3kW to drive this sub. But perhaps you will WANT 3kW for this sub.

yea, reason i asked is that a lot of single subs wont get along well with my mmats especially for daily use. and with 6.5v preouts it makes it a little difficult to dial the gain back very much.

Bettr n' Revrse
04-02-2011, 04:04 AM
These are quite sensitive subs, about 91dB 1W/1m, so they can actually get pretty loud without needing a million watts. Most 12" subs are more like 85-88dB 1W/1m. However, I believe it is supposed to be able to handle something like 3kW, so I would probably want to be at 2kW+ to get the most out of it. As others have said, "Power handling is NOT a requirement." You do not NEED 3kW to drive this sub. But perhaps you will WANT 3kW for this sub.

I am realy liking these thing now lol... I could give it 2600 at 1 ohm, what sort of box would this do well in? I have my my 2.25 box that wont be used once I sell my DD...

dragonrage
04-02-2011, 10:23 AM
I am realy liking these thing now lol... I could give it 2600 at 1 ohm, what sort of box would this do well in? I have my my 2.25 box that wont be used once I sell my DD...

1.5-2.5 ported, according to Fi.

Bettr n' Revrse
04-02-2011, 04:30 PM
Still concerned about this being a good daily driver... cuz everything I read is "SPL only!"

dragonrage
04-03-2011, 12:20 AM
Still concerned about this being a good daily driver... cuz everything I read is "SPL only!"

The frequency response could use a parametric EQ like the Visonik V8EQ. But Fi and Jacob say that it will be fine to play music, it's just not a completely flat response.

Bettr n' Revrse
04-03-2011, 01:53 AM
Well my new deck could probably help with that if I can set it up right... I just wonder how much I will notice these dips in response? I wonder if my box being single baffled will do ok for now if the sub is facing up?

dragonrage
04-03-2011, 12:26 PM
I just wonder how much I will notice these dips in response? I wonder if my box being single baffled will do ok for now if the sub is facing up?

I dunno if you will notice them or not. A thick baffle would be better for a sub like this but your box might work depending on how it's made - there's more to the strength of the box than just the number of layers in the baffle.

Bettr n' Revrse
04-03-2011, 04:36 PM
Its pretty well braced... but like I said it may not work anyways cuz of the braces...
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/busta_grose/Systems/DD25122.jpg

Kangaroux
04-03-2011, 04:40 PM
Its pretty well braced... but like I said it may not work anyways cuz of the braces...
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/busta_grose/Systems/DD25122.jpg

that should be plenty of bracing for the sub, but if you are concerned, it won't be difficult to add a second baffle seeing as the port isnt even on the same side as the sub

Bettr n' Revrse
04-03-2011, 04:50 PM
The problem we where discussing is the braces on either side of the sub may be to close for the magnet to fit...

Kangaroux
04-03-2011, 04:52 PM
The problem we where discussing is the braces on either side of the sub may be to close for the magnet to fit...

my b lol carry on

Bettr n' Revrse
04-03-2011, 05:07 PM
my b lol carry on

We where talking about if it is stout enough to hold it as well... I was just sayin I dont know if the magnet will fit and we where talking about it through PM's...

Kangaroux
04-03-2011, 05:09 PM
We where talking about if it is stout enough to hold it as well... I was just sayin I dont know if the magnet will fit and we where talking about it through PM's...

ah sorry lol i was getting the impression that you were talking about the box flexing and ****

Bettr n' Revrse
04-03-2011, 05:18 PM
Its fairly solid so Idk if itll do much flexing... Am worried about it working its way loose thou...

dragonrage
04-04-2011, 12:08 AM
bump

jdmferio13
04-04-2011, 12:22 AM
Any trades

dragonrage
04-04-2011, 12:54 AM
Any trades

Mostly just looking for recent XBL^2 subs

wone
04-04-2011, 09:00 AM
were in mass are you?

dragonrage
04-04-2011, 09:20 AM
Milford area

dragonrage
04-04-2011, 07:40 PM
It has been asked, so I will point out that the magnet is 9" wide at maximum, and less in some spots since it's not a full circle.

dragonrage
04-05-2011, 08:36 AM
bump... let me know your trades, might as well consider them.

dragonrage
04-06-2011, 08:44 AM
bump

RFThump85
04-06-2011, 01:11 PM
390 shipped?

dragonrage
04-06-2011, 02:04 PM
390 shipped?

No thanks. Price is firm. This is a brand new sub. You can either buy it new or save $100 and buy it from me.

dragonrage
04-07-2011, 05:46 PM
bump

chris the man
04-07-2011, 08:15 PM
theres no way this is still for sale


do you still have this??

KZnova
04-08-2011, 12:19 PM
check pms

dragonrage
04-09-2011, 10:39 AM
bump, PMs replied. Please do not PM me asking about Feedback. If what I said in the first post in the thread is not enough for you then PMing me is not going to help.

KZnova
04-09-2011, 12:29 PM
pmed

KZnova
04-09-2011, 01:21 PM
check paypal :)

CerwinVega_Fan
04-09-2011, 02:00 PM
Phuck! u shipping that to Norway???

KZnova
04-09-2011, 02:35 PM
not directly, i have my own way of shipping :)

dragonrage
04-09-2011, 03:06 PM
SOLD thanks KZnova

CerwinVega_Fan
04-09-2011, 03:38 PM
not directly, i have my own way of shipping :)

Nice! Make sure u make some vids bro.

Would like to see this puppy in action