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Philth
03-19-2011, 06:19 PM
Since there was no "For Sale" transaction and that Twisted_0912 advertises in his signature about subwoofer enclosure building services, I'm not entirely too sure anything can be done other than to warn people about this guy and his lack of commitment to doing something once paid, let alone the quality of the product. To date, this process from start to finish has taken over a month and a half and I'm extremely frustrated so I will try to only stick to facts about the situation.

Jan 28 - I initially contact Twisted_0912 through PM via this site about building a t-line enclosure for two 8" subs.

Feb 1 - Twisted_0912 replies, "i can build them but i cannot design them accurately enough for a customer at the moment. if you find a design i will give you a good price on an enclosure. text me at xxx-xxx-xxxx if youd like"

I message his back the same day realizing that I don't have the resources to design a t-line box, so I tell him I'm thinking of getting a JL 10W6 in the spec'd box from JL.

Feb 2 - I begin texting back and forth with him. (All saved, can provide screen shots.) Because I had just found a great deal on a used 8W7 and amp, I end up working out a deal with him to build a JL spec'd 8W7 ported box from JL's website. The negotiated price was $110 sent through PayPal.

From Feb 2 until March 8, I text back and forth with him inquiring about the progress of the box. In two separate circumstances, I was told "pictures" of the box were going to be sent to show me progress, but they never showed. Even offered my email address to him, but nothing came to my Inbox. I finally received a text stating I would receive the box no later than March 8. That day came and went with no delivery. I asked him once again through text what was going on and no response. I was force to file a transaction dispute through PayPal for non-receipt of goods.

Mar 10 - Twisted_0912 sends me a text asking me to drop the claim if he sends me a picture of the box so he can use that money to ship it. I reply stating that once the claim is closed, I won't be able to reopen it and that there is no guarantee he would ship the box, so I politely told him no. Reiterated his lack of communication and the two previous times he was supposed to send pictures, let alone it's been over a month at this point. He asked if he shipped it and I received a confirmation, if I would drop the claim. I told him possibly. (In my mind, once the package was out on the truck for delivery, I would drop the claim)

Mar 19 - I received numerous text messages from Twisted_0912 demanding that I release the claim so he can pay for other things via PayPal. I checked on the status of the package and it was indeed out for delivery today; I dropped the claim. At last, the enclosure was here. 45 days after payment.

The Fed Ex driver delivered the box to the WRONG address; the apartment across from me. How this happened, I have no idea. Not only is my address in PayPal, but I also text it to him, which I just reverified it is the correct address. Had it not been for me noticing a big brown cardboard box across the way and me being a little nosey, there is a good possibility I would have never received it.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/DustinDru/650e80e9.jpg

Anyway, the box was indeed packed up well. There was absolutely no damage to the box and all was well. I go to align the template up for the 8W7 and I'll be damned if the opening it cut out too big. I take out a tape measure and measure 7 1/8", and is like this all the way around. JL's specs, what Twisted_0912 was supposed to reference, calls for 6.94". What I'm afraid of is the wood splitting because even if I center the sub PERFECTLY on the cut out, this is marginal material for the screw to bite into. I'm almost positive the wood will crack/split, and will be surely considered at fault for this.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/DustinDru/efb38a8e.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/DustinDru/a9aa94ef.jpg

Here is the template with an inside diameter measurement:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/DustinDru/9bcabc8a.jpg

I text Twisted about this problem, and he replies and I quote, "Its cut to 7 inches which is what jls website says is the cut out."

I reply back with the above pictures and also informing him it is indeed 7 1/8". Also inform him about JL spec is 6.94", not 7" like he claimed.

So here we are arguing over the serviceability of this box, if there is any at all. I'm not too happy with 1) the length of time it took him to deliver the box to me, 2) the wrong delivery address and 3) obviously the lack of attention to detail on this crucial part.

It really makes me wonder if anything else in the box is off?

In any event, if you are wanting to seek a box builder, I'd do what I can to stay away from him. The above is fact and should be enough to steer you in a different direction.

Cheers,
Philth

twistedchild420
03-19-2011, 06:33 PM
Just clarify.....that is not me...lol

1rockford1
03-19-2011, 06:34 PM
**** that ***** bro.

Philth
03-19-2011, 06:42 PM
If a mod could delete this thread, I would appreciate it. (Posted in the Buyer/Seller review board)

Philth
03-19-2011, 06:42 PM
If a mod could delete this thread, I would appreciate it. (Posted in the Buyer/Seller review board)

Philth
03-19-2011, 06:44 PM
Mod - not sure if this post belongs in here or back in Buyer/Seller reviews? If so, please move appropriately. Thanks.

Philth
03-19-2011, 06:44 PM
Mod - not sure if this post belongs in here or back in Buyer/Seller reviews? If so, please move appropriately. Thanks.

Philth
03-19-2011, 06:45 PM
Mod - not sure if this post belongs in here or back in Buyer/Seller reviews? If so, please move appropriately. Thanks.

Philth
03-19-2011, 06:47 PM
Mod - not sure if this post belongs in here or back in Buyer/Seller reviews? If so, please move appropriately. Thanks.

Philth
03-19-2011, 06:49 PM
Can a mod delete this thread? I posted in the Buyer/Seller feedback board. Thanks!

Louisiana_CRX
03-19-2011, 06:49 PM
Just clarify.....that is not me...lol

i was wondering.....

Philth
03-19-2011, 06:49 PM
Can a mod delete this thread? I posted in the Buyer/Seller feedback board. Thanks!

Louisiana_CRX
03-19-2011, 06:49 PM
Just clarify.....that is not me...lol

i was wondering.....

pro-rabbit
03-21-2011, 02:10 PM
This is why you look for trusted enclosure builders are this site. ***** that it happened to you, I have PMs, emails, and texts from various forum customers complain about horrible experiences from other enclosure builders. If its a basic design and the builder can not design it, this should be a sign to not do business with them.

Best option is to ask for a partial refund since you can not actually use the enclosure, then just offer it in the classifieds on here.

On the bright side, at least you got something out of the deal. More then many wind up getting in the these situations.

CRXBMPN
03-24-2011, 05:57 PM
i always angle drill my screws into the box so any cracking or misses dont happen, or for some stupid reason if they are close i'll at least bite some wood, just have to watch out for drill slippage on the angle its at, dont want to lose a surround to a hole...

good luck, sorry it took so long for a box too, not even my lazy a$$ takes that long :laugh:

bigbangtheory
03-27-2011, 12:12 AM
Dood is usually better than this. Not sure what happened here, but hope he clears his name.

He does quality work. Like I said two years later, 3 installs with various woofers and is still as solid as ever! Carpeting job could have been better, but he did it in 0 degree weather.....I can eventually take care of that.

Good kid, but he does need to take care of this.

outsideshot23
03-27-2011, 12:26 AM
wow.. what a joke.. glad you posted

Imtjnotu
03-27-2011, 12:37 AM
that *****....i heart **** man pro rabbit does some nice *** boxes

Philth
03-29-2011, 01:13 AM
Dood is usually better than this. Not sure what happened here, but hope he clears his name.

He does quality work. Like I said two years later, 3 installs with various woofers and is still as solid as ever! Carpeting job could have been better, but he did it in 0 degree weather.....I can eventually take care of that.

Good kid, but he does need to take care of this.

He has texted me asking if I would agree to add another layer of wood in the front of the box. However, bolts would be visible from doubling up and I'm not too convinced the extra layer would seal well. Furthermore, it's not going to look aesthetically correct and I didn't pay him for a box like he wants ME to fix.

PayPal claim is still pending as they are doing an investigation.

DonH
03-29-2011, 01:27 AM
if you would like me to make you a circle cutout free of charge just pay shipping ill ship it out thrusday.

Philth
03-29-2011, 01:28 AM
I just wish I went to you before Twisted. Lesson learned.

bigbangtheory
03-30-2011, 10:34 PM
Sorry man, *****! I agree, you paid for the specs you asked for and what not. He should be taking care of it.

Philth
03-30-2011, 10:51 PM
FYI - I tried my best to center the sub at Twisteds request and angle drill the screws outward. 2 screws stripped out because there simply wasn't enough material to bite into.

The guy has lied to me on multiple occasions as far as when the box was finished (when it wasn't) and when the box was being packed up for shipping.

Today, he text me sounding pretty demanding. Saying that I needed to drop the PayPal claim so it would unfreeze his account. I told him sorry, and that I wouldn't do that.

He claims he only profited $12 from the entire transaction after me asking him to send me back some money since this box is useless. (Total price I paid was $110)

bigbangtheory
04-02-2011, 12:21 PM
Wow, that is jacked up!

AllenH427
04-02-2011, 12:50 PM
My first box by him, done in a timely manner, well built, everything went smoothly.

First box for a friend... took forever, made non stop excuses, lied non stop saying it was done but coincidentally he'd always have trouble uploading pics.

First box for a different friend, same exact ****, non stop excuses, lied constantly.

My second box, terrible experience almost identical to yours, it took him like 3 months to build my box, then I paid for shipping cause he was ready to ship it, he didn't have any of the box done and took him another month. He even took a false pic of my wood pieces cut but they were obviously not the right pieces. Constant lying, I was bitching him out to finally get my box done.

Every box was built very nicely, he does good work, but when it comes to customer service, he's worse than those Indian people you talk to that can't speak English.

pro-rabbit
04-02-2011, 12:53 PM
I'm sorry to hear that man. Some times these things just take a turn for the worse.


I'm sorry I have not gotten back to you on the texts. I'm currently in Oklahoma on business so I'm a tad behind on the enclosure work.

DonH
04-04-2011, 02:12 AM
***** to see all the bad experiences here :( just know there are no bad experiences with me lol

bigbangtheory
04-04-2011, 12:37 PM
Yeah, sorry Twisted I liked you and you do good work, but I will take my business somewhere else as well next time.

Too many good box builders on this site or others that dont jack around with people's monies, time and what not.

Sorry for all you guys that have had a bad experience with him when I was sticking up for him. :( Seems he dont even get on here anymore to even hear his side of the story, which right there tells me it is true...

corey0928
04-04-2011, 02:24 PM
My first box by him, done in a timely manner, well built, everything went smoothly.

First box for a friend... took forever, made non stop excuses, lied non stop saying it was done but coincidentally he'd always have trouble uploading pics.

First box for a different friend, same exact ****, non stop excuses, lied constantly.

My second box, terrible experience almost identical to yours, it took him like 3 months to build my box, then I paid for shipping cause he was ready to ship it, he didn't have any of the box done and took him another month. He even took a false pic of my wood pieces cut but they were obviously not the right pieces. Constant lying, I was bitching him out to finally get my box done.

Every box was built very nicely, he does good work, but when it comes to customer service, he's worse than those Indian people you talk to that can't speak English.

After the second issue why would you still buy from him lol

Twisted_0912
04-18-2011, 12:59 AM
most of this is true but to clear this up some i just want to say that he is getting a full refund through paypal and im out material and shipping costs but whatever. i never set out to scam him. im at a time in my life where i cant take building boxes seriously. i built this box at school and didnt have my normal jasper jig so i had to use a homemade one that was off as you can tell by now. thats why when he said something about the hole i said it was cut to 7inches because thats what i thought it was cut to. it was an honest mistake i was rushing to get it done. the rest of the enclosure is bullet proof and spot on. i offered to make a new front piece for the box but the buyer was completely unwilling to work with me but i suppose i kinda did that to myself.

---------- Post added at 11:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:58 PM ----------


This is why you look for trusted enclosure builders are this site. ***** that it happened to you, I have PMs, emails, and texts from various forum customers complain about horrible experiences from other enclosure builders. If its a basic design and the builder can not design it, this should be a sign to not do business with them.

Best option is to ask for a partial refund since you can not actually use the enclosure, then just offer it in the classifieds on here.

On the bright side, at least you got something out of the deal. More then many wind up getting in the these situations.


do you consider a tline a basic enclosure? i can design ported and sealed boxes just fine. he wanted a tline and i dont do those

Germ305
04-18-2011, 01:01 AM
I like the fact that this guy came on here and instead of talking sh*t regarding the OP's issue...he was actually sincere and "Manned up" about it...Awesome.

Twisted_0912
04-18-2011, 01:03 AM
I like the fact that this guy came on here and instead of talking sh*t regarding the OP's issue...he was actually sincere and "Manned up" about it...Awesome.
thanks i know it doesnt really make up for anything but i didnt want to make it look like i was just ignoring this

Germ305
04-18-2011, 01:06 AM
Na man i know how it is regarding shady deals and such (not on here) but other websites...and its cool you kept it real...if i was in the OP's position..as long as you refunded me the money...i wouldnt even be mad.