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Bassin Buick
02-11-2011, 02:18 PM
Man i was just outside fiddling around with a few amps , seeing which one i like better on my doors and i was hot-plugging my RCA's. I forgot i had a pioneer in the dash , now i gots mad noise. Had to ground the RCA's at the deck to get it to stop. :crap: **** YOU PIONEER AND SHOVE YOU PICO FUSE IN YOUR BUTT!!!

bubbagumper6
02-11-2011, 02:20 PM
Yeah they seem to be great head units just need a little refining. I had one that I loved and one day I accidentally grounded the REM wire while it was on and after that I had a never ending stream of noise problems...even after grounding the rca's :crap:

Bassin Buick
02-11-2011, 02:22 PM
I never really like any of them except for the very expensive premier decks , this is all i have right now (sold my 9855 to rebuild my engine) , and i was just learning to like this deck and it spits in my face like that. FU Pioneer!

bubbagumper6
02-11-2011, 02:23 PM
Yeah after my pioneer started giving me problems I bought an Alpine 9886 and love it :)

ejschultz
02-11-2011, 02:25 PM
A little solder will permanently fix that. I know there's a couple of walkthroughs out there somewhere regarding how to do that. You could also just ground the RCAs. I figure if I ever blow the pico fuse in mine, I'm going to go the solder route for a more "permanent" fix.

bubbagumper6
02-11-2011, 02:26 PM
A little solder will permanently fix that. I know there's a couple of walkthroughs out there somewhere regarding how to do that. You could also just ground the RCAs. I figure if I ever blow the pico fuse in mine, I'm going to go the solder route for a more "permanent" fix.

Doesn't fix all brah, didn't fix mine :fyi:

ejschultz
02-11-2011, 02:28 PM
Grounding the remote wire can cause other issues internally too. What issues? I'm not sure, but I'd imagine it'd **** it up pretty good.

Bassin Buick
02-11-2011, 02:30 PM
Yeah after my pioneer started giving me problems I bought an Alpine 9886 and love it :)Its the only brand i will buy new , besides some of the really high end eclipses. I have been treated well by alpines and IMO doing plenty of a/b/c/d swaps i have found alpines to have the best sound out of any brand. sony,jvc,kenwood (standard or excelon),pioneer , none of them have the clarity and cleanliness of an alpine IMHO.

dragonrage
02-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Yeah after my pioneer started giving me problems I bought an Alpine 9886 and love it :)

How much extra did the volume control cost? And the power switch? Did you buy the FM module?

Alpine always seemed to be one of those brands that will nickel and dime you to death.

Also, they're among the ugliest, IMO. That's obviously subjective, though.

whitedragon551
02-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Pico issue is all user error. Cant really say **** you Pioneer. It was your own fault.

dragonrage
02-11-2011, 02:33 PM
Pico issue is all user error. Cant really say **** you Pioneer. It was your own fault.

Combination of bad engineering with user error... They shouldn't be using any kind of fuse on the RCAs... they should be using some sort of current limiting instead, which could even be as simple as an appropriately sized resistor.

whitedragon551
02-11-2011, 02:34 PM
Combination of bad engineering with user error...

Not really. If the user wasnt a ******* retard it wouldnt happen. Therefore engineering isnt an issue. Its all the end users fault.

ChevyRidinLow
02-11-2011, 02:35 PM
Grounding the remote wire can cause other issues internally too. What issues? I'm not sure, but I'd imagine it'd **** it up pretty good.

grounding a power wire? what would make someone do something like this? anyway, i wrappen my rcas in foil and grounded the foil, works like a charm

Bassin Buick
02-11-2011, 02:37 PM
Pico issue is all user error. Cant really say **** you Pioneer. It was your own fault.

I say its a design error , LOL. With any of the above mentioned decks , i can hot-plug all day and never damage the unit. So i stand by my statement.

What exactly is the point of putting a non-replaceable fuse on the RCA grounds anyhow? Just seems stupid.

Bassin Buick
02-11-2011, 02:38 PM
Not really. If the user wasnt a ******* retard it wouldnt happen. Therefore engineering isnt an issue. Its all the end users fault.

Hey now! LOL

bubbagumper6
02-11-2011, 02:45 PM
How much extra did the volume control cost? And the power switch? Did you buy the FM module?

Alpine always seemed to be one of those brands that will nickel and dime you to death.

Also, they're among the ugliest, IMO. That's obviously subjective, though.

uhh no brah, I didn't have to buy anything extra, it's simple the basic add ons are for things like ipod control or their imprint system. If they included all of those extra peripherals in the base product it would jack the price way up. I mean, it's the same reason car manufacturers don't make just 1 standard model, they allow you to pick and choose the features you want because not everyone wants the same things and there's no reason to pay for features you don't want.

Bassin Buick
02-11-2011, 02:48 PM
uhh no brah, I didn't have to buy anything extra, it's simple the basic add ons are for things like ipod control or their imprint system. If they included all of those extra peripherals in the base product it would jack the price way up. I mean, it's the same reason car manufacturers don't make just 1 standard model, they allow you to pick and choose the features you want because not everyone wants the same things and there's no reason to pay for features you don't want.

For reals , my 9855 was loaded. 7 band graphic/parametric EQ , 3 way active crossover with 0/6/12/18/24DB slopes , 6 channel time alignment , ALL KINDS OF STUFF , and it was all built in.

TMali
02-11-2011, 03:27 PM
Sounds like alot of Bitching over your ******* mistake!


**** YOU KICKER! For making a fuse that blows when i touch positive to negative!

Louisiana_CRX
02-11-2011, 03:30 PM
For reals , my 9855 was loaded. 7 band graphic/parametric EQ , 3 way active crossover with 0/6/12/18/24DB slopes , 6 channel time alignment , ALL KINDS OF STUFF , and it was all built in.

i just picked up a brand new remote for it ;)

Bassin Buick
02-11-2011, 03:43 PM
i just picked up a brand new remote for it ;)Nice , i had one in my watch list on ebay. LOL. i deleted it last night.

Bassin Buick
02-11-2011, 03:44 PM
Sounds like alot of Bitching over your ******* mistake!


**** YOU KICKER! For making a fuse that blows when i touch positive to negative!

Honestly i could care less cuz it was a 5 minute fix on a temporary deck that i plan on removing soon anyhow. I just don't see the point in a pico fuse to begin with.

VWBobby
02-11-2011, 11:01 PM
I agree that its a stupid design flaw. Yes its a FLAW. Any engineer who would go backwards in technology and make a deck that has an internal fuse is an idiot.
You know what I think? The manufacture knows that some people will ground out their decks at some point and rather than have the deck catch fire or go into a permanent "protect" mode, its easier to 'blow' the whole deck and force the customer to buy a new one. ;) Dell, HP, and all other computer manufactures have been making proprietary **** from the dawn of computer time, just for this reason. Just so you have to go back to them when you want parts/service. ;)

hatedonmostly
02-11-2011, 11:05 PM
I don't have a Pioneer, and I still don't hot swap RCAs. Why take the risk of something going wrong when it's that **** easy to prevent?

akheathen
02-11-2011, 11:31 PM
lol........ i think the fuse is a good idea.......... think about all those amps, even one in a recent thread, that have been damaged by poor ground forcing the amp to draw through the rca's......... and, i'm sure you can replace the fuse with a 1/4watt 50-100ohm resistor on the board, as mentioned, and nill the problem. i haven't bought a newer pioneer, but all my old ones, and every deck i've owned, for that matter have been hot-swapped no problem... imho, the shiz isn't even poineer anymore anyways...... not since they got bought out. i still have the deh-8000, which was the last real poineer deck worth a fcuk........ for years after, i was repeatedly replacing the "magic 45; magic50" icu's and such, allong with knobs/faceplate issues......

plugitin
02-11-2011, 11:48 PM
I don't have a Pioneer, and I still don't hot swap RCAs. Why take the risk of something going wrong when it's that **** easy to prevent?

yeaah, im with you. I have an eclipse 7200 and would NEVER hot swap RCA's and put my mkII in danger or my amps. Its so easy to turn the key off...people really complain about stupid ****

ejschultz
02-12-2011, 12:53 AM
i just picked up a brand new remote for it ;)

Did you get a 4202 or the 4187? I've got both sitting in my Jeep for my 9855. Funny thing is, I don't use either of them. I have steering wheel controls :D The 4187 is a b*tch to find, but it does work to control the angle of the face. The 4202 drops this feature but they're a dime a dozen, seeing they're still the current remote Alpine uses.

Bassin Buick
02-12-2011, 01:49 AM
hey EJ , i'm installing that soundstream usa 305 for my dad this weekend. Hes gonna be running a X494 , 4 infinty kappa 5x7's , sundown E8 , and a custom sealed enclosure where the stock sub used to be. :) he is gonna be so happy when i'm finished.

hatedonmostly
02-12-2011, 03:04 AM
yeaah, im with you. I have an eclipse 7200 and would NEVER hot swap RCA's and put my mkII in danger or my amps. Its so easy to turn the key off...people really complain about stupid ****

I don't even do that, I just push the button on my CD5100 to release the faceplate, quickest way of turning the deck off. Takes even less time than turning the key...

Bassin Buick
02-12-2011, 03:18 AM
OK , i'm a lazy dumb ***. Rub it in some more. LOL

hatedonmostly
02-12-2011, 03:24 AM
Knowledge is power bro, lol. Now you know my secret to preventing RCA troubles while still being lazy as possible. :p:

Bassin Buick
02-12-2011, 03:27 AM
not really trouble for me though. that deck is a POS anyhow. Just temporary until i can get another 9855 or one with similar features and quality.

Arnaqueur
02-12-2011, 05:46 AM
premier ftw

LazyRider
02-12-2011, 06:01 AM
I plan on switching to Kenwood or Alpine when I get the money. All my HU's have been Pioneer thus far, they're just so darn **** looking :naughty:

ejschultz
02-12-2011, 10:01 AM
Nice. That should sound pretty nice. Also, for comparable HUs to the 9855, the 9853, 9835, and 9833 are all similar. The 9853 and 9833 don't have the BioLite display, but they do have Bass Engine Pro which gives you all the tuning features. The 35 and 33 have the V-Drive hybrid amplifier built in. It's like 28 watts RMS and 60 peak. The 53 and maybe the 33 only have 2.5V preouts and the 35 and 55 have 4V preouts. The 35 and 55 also have an external DC/DC converter to help with SQ.

ChevyRidinLow
02-12-2011, 10:20 AM
Its the only brand i will buy new , besides some of the really high end eclipses. I have been treated well by alpines and IMO doing plenty of a/b/c/d swaps i have found alpines to have the best sound out of any brand. sony,jvc,kenwood (standard or excelon),pioneer , none of them have the clarity and cleanliness of an alpine IMHO. i just got rid of my alpine because if u turned it up past 25/35 it sounded horrible...put a pioneer on it sounds amazing

ejschultz
02-12-2011, 11:09 AM
i just got rid of my alpine because if u turned it up past 25/35 it sounded horrible...put a pioneer on it sounds amazing

You should have set your gains accordingly, and if you weren't using an amp, duh. It's going to sound bad past that point. Pioneers have a higher limit on them. They go up to 62. That doesn't mean they're going to play louder, it just means you have more control over the volume.

Louisiana_CRX
02-12-2011, 12:23 PM
Did you get a 4202 or the 4187? I've got both sitting in my Jeep for my 9855. Funny thing is, I don't use either of them. I have steering wheel controls :D The 4187 is a b*tch to find, but it does work to control the angle of the face. The 4202 drops this feature but they're a dime a dozen, seeing they're still the current remote Alpine uses.

I got the 4202 ...it was brand new and came with the cradel....once you set the tilt you don't really have to worry with it anymore and less buttons to clutter the remote...but that is neat feature

ejschultz
02-12-2011, 12:37 PM
I got the 4202 ...it was brand new and came with the cradel....once you set the tilt you don't really have to worry with it anymore and less buttons to clutter the remote...but that is neat feature

Yeah, I guess the buttons do clutter up the remote. I don't really use either of my remotes for it too often though. About the only time I use it is if I'm taking a nap in my Jeep between classes and I've got the seat reclined. That makes it more difficult for me to reach the steering wheel to use the steering wheel controls.

Louisiana_CRX
02-12-2011, 12:50 PM
Yeah, I guess the buttons do clutter up the remote. I don't really use either of my remotes for it too often though. About the only time I use it is if I'm taking a nap in my Jeep between classes and I've got the seat reclined. That makes it more difficult for me to reach the steering wheel to use the steering wheel controls.

my jeep don't have steering wheel radio controls :crap:

Bassin Buick
02-12-2011, 01:06 PM
My 16 year old Buick does. LOL

thericanballer
02-12-2011, 01:09 PM
had the same exact thing happen with my old hu, hot rca'd it and the whole rca jack was f'd. so i just got a new one. i learned my lesson the hard way :crap:

alsa2009
02-15-2011, 05:41 AM
Just bought a pioneer avh-p4300dvd. Dont want this to happen to me so im asking what is hot pluggin rca's.

disturbed471985
02-15-2011, 05:57 AM
Its when your deck is on and you swap rca’s.

disturbed471985
02-15-2011, 06:00 AM
Dave should know all bout pico fuses. AS he blew mine…… Member that Dave LOL. I am jfwy its water under the bridge..

disturbed471985
02-15-2011, 06:12 AM
But I would not be against you letting me borrow your stang for a weekend to make up for it LOL.. I will treat her good.. Cause u owe me big time….. After I get done dealing with bhsaudio I am coming to collect. Ha Ha
Nonetheless I love pioneer HU (well at least there high-end models) they truly are the sexiest HU’s out.

45js45
02-15-2011, 08:34 AM
wow.....we just started having a problem with our Pioneer as well......can only get 1 side of the rcas to "pound the sub".The amp is wired stereo due to not being 2 ohm stable and as I watch the subs(2 12s),1 hits a lot harder than the other.We have replaced the sub 2xs and still have the problem.We have also swapped out amps and the problem still persists.Could this be the "pico?" fuse or something else all together.

disturbed471985
02-15-2011, 08:38 AM
Is there a static hiss coming from the sub? If not then I would not think it’s a pico fuse related.

45js45
02-15-2011, 08:40 AM
no static....just appears to be getting about 60% power....must be something else.****,.

d77543020
02-15-2011, 10:05 AM
the only problem i have with pioneer these days are cosmetically they went to **** they went from this in 06http://www.12voltdistributors.com/images/pio-dehp9800bt.jpg to this in 2011 http://www.petra.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/P/I/PIODEH6300UB_1_1.jpg and this oel dolphin screen hasn't changed in years http://www.petra.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/P/I/PIODEHP8300UB_1.jpg

VWBobby
02-15-2011, 08:12 PM
I remember when the OEL displays first came out and how much nicer the Pioneers looked compared to other HU's of the time. :)

I really wish Pioneer would go back to those type of displays, and put in a REAL 7 band EQ or crossovers. If you could have the sound of a Alpine or Eclipse with the look of an older Pioneer and the reliability of a Kenwood or JVC deck! :naughty:

whitedragon551
02-15-2011, 08:13 PM
Lulz reliability of JVC. My Eclipse outlasted any of my HU's by about 6 years.

matt_bennett05
02-15-2011, 08:16 PM
I was A Pio guru... until Mr. Alpine graced my presence

Bassin Buick
02-15-2011, 08:36 PM
I was A Pio guru... until Mr. Alpine graced my presenceMe too , unfortunatly i sold my 9855 to dave so i could replace the engine in my car. So i am stuck with the pioneer until i get another high end alpine.

matt_bennett05
02-15-2011, 08:39 PM
Me too , unfortunatly i sold my 9855 to dave so i could replace the engine in my car. So i am stuck with the pioneer until i get another high end alpine.

The only drawback to the Alpine I have (CDA-117) is that it's slow going through the Ipod and USB lists... but boy does it make the high pitchy sounding Pioneer look like a bottom feeder... and like D77543020 said... Cripes look at their new cosmetics.... :fullbodyheebyjeebies:

VWBobby
02-16-2011, 10:46 AM
Lulz reliability of JVC. My Eclipse outlasted any of my HU's by about 6 years.

I've seen a lot of old JVC decks that are still going. I'm running a Kenwood HD545U right now. Solid deck with a 24-bit DAC and fast USB.

I like the sound of the Alpine's but I'm not a fan of all those buttons on the left side...
The old Premier decks were some of the best looking, imho...:)

Bass911
02-16-2011, 10:30 PM
I think the same thing happened to me when I let some so called professionals install some screens in my headrest? It will be uninstalled when I get another Alpine. I still have my pxa-h100, but would buy it all over again because IMO Alpine doesn't have any competition when it comes to headunits. Eclipse was competition but they are dead to me since they stopped making car audio.

whitedragon551
02-16-2011, 10:50 PM
I think the same thing happened to me when I let some so called professionals install some screens in my headrest? It will be uninstalled when I get another Alpine. I still have my pxa-h100, but would buy it all over again because IMO Alpine doesn't have any competition when it comes to headunits. Eclipse was competition but they are dead to me since they stopped making car audio.

Eclipse still makes audio gear. They stopped supplying North America. The market here is after the flashy garbage not quality.

Brian_smith06
02-16-2011, 10:54 PM
For reals , my 9855 was loaded. 7 band graphic/parametric EQ , 3 way active crossover with 0/6/12/18/24DB slopes , 6 channel time alignment , ALL KINDS OF STUFF , and it was all built in.

That was their better deck that year. Like the 9815, and 9835 were for their year. All pretty much the same deck as well, just different displays. I have owned them all lol

Bass911
02-16-2011, 11:44 PM
Eclipse still makes audio gear. They stopped supplying North America. The market here is after the flashy garbage not quality.

Like I said, They're Dead. If I don't see it on Ebay and got to search overseas just to get one, it's not worth it!

ejschultz
02-16-2011, 11:58 PM
...The market here is after the flashy garbage not quality.

Unfortunately, this is too true...

Phoenix Risen
02-17-2011, 12:26 AM
i liked my 9855 but i have to say i like the 860 i have now a lot better.

Bassin Buick
02-18-2011, 10:16 PM
i liked my 9855 but i have to say i like the 860 i have now a lot better. I go pee pee on your pioneer. LOL

ejschultz
02-19-2011, 12:51 AM
I go pee pee on your pioneer. LOL

I swapped out my 9855 in the Caprice for my 800PRS. I did that for a couple of reasons though. I'm eventually aiming on having the Caprice be an SQ car. I also like having the 9855 in a daily driver because it's a pretty easy HU to navigate, which is why it's in my Jeep.