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hzsogood
08-24-2010, 03:54 AM
Ive ran eclipse for the last 8 years.. But when I bought my 3200 a few yrs back, I could tell they are not what they used to be..

I do like pioneer and alpine, and I would like something that has a few nice features including full ipod/iphone controls

Price.. Ehhh 300-400

dragnix
08-24-2010, 04:04 AM
I'd say alpine just because Pioneer has that retarded *** pico fuse issue. And does Eclipse even make regular headunit anymore? I checked their website recently and all they have are navigation units.

hzsogood
08-24-2010, 04:08 AM
I think they are closed down.. If they have anything this would be the last model year for Navs.. ***** because they used to make awesome HUs


Oh well but this is only the first to suffer big, since every new car that comes out now days is fully loaded with Ipod, blutooth, Nav , rcas, voice command, onstar etc.. I miss the mobile market of the 90s



Anywho.. ALpine huh? Ill have to check them all out.. Its been 10 yrs, since I was in HS the last time I looked at alpine :D

dragnix
08-24-2010, 04:09 AM
oh ****, i hope not, i need to fix my 8445. ****KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

I think the only real SQ unit for alpine is the 9887 right? And i guess anything used with the h701

hzsogood
08-24-2010, 04:40 AM
oh ****, i hope not, i need to fix my 8445. ****KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

I think the only real SQ unit for alpine is the 9887 right? And i guess anything used with the h701

yea man Id call them and find out.. I had the 8443 forever, but I had a weird issue where every time I would start my car and the HU would turn on it would pop my subs, but it was only when I started it with the CD player on.. Not the radio.. ehh weird. Got the plastic 3200, hated it from day one, but was eclipse faithful so I dealt with it

Im really liking the Alpine -105 and the 305S..

see,s like they got a descent deal on them too, well for Crutchfield with the deal on the Sirius receiver and speakers

Alpine CDA-105 CD receiver at Crutchfield Signature (http://www.crutchfield.com/s_500CDA105/Alpine-CDA-105.html?search=Alpine+VENDORID500&tp=5684)

http://www.crutchfield.com/s_500IDA305S/Alpine-IDA-X305S.html?search=Alpine+VENDORID500&tp=5684

d77543020
08-24-2010, 06:20 AM
kenwood

hzsogood
08-24-2010, 11:56 AM
kenwood

why

Bob Saget
08-24-2010, 12:33 PM
kenwood

I had a Kenwood Excelon KDC-X 592 & absolutely hated it.

The RCA grounds shorted out within a year, among other issues, & you can't even see the display if the sun hits it.

Most people on here seem to like Alpine, but I prefer Pioneer myself. & the pico fuse issue everyone complains about is 100% user error. I've had my Pioneer DEH-P6600 5 years & love it.

dragnix
08-24-2010, 07:15 PM
I had a Kenwood Excelon KDC-X 592 & absolutely hated it.

The RCA grounds shorted out within a year, among other issues, & you can't even see the display if the sun hits it.

Most people on here seem to like Alpine, but I prefer Pioneer myself. & the pico fuse issue everyone complains about is 100% user error. I've had my Pioneer DEH-P6600 5 years & love it.

I wouldn't say it's 100% user error since this has been an ongoing issue with Pioneer headunits. If it's from user error only then how come it doesn't happen as often with other units?

whitedragon551
08-24-2010, 07:42 PM
Eclipse never shut down. They stopped selling in North America.

ECLIPSE CD5030 NEW CD MP3 USB IPOD EQ BLUETOOTH AUX. - eBay (item 120605795457 end time Sep-05-10 14:01:32 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ECLIPSE-CD5030-NEW-CD-MP3-USB-IPOD-EQ-BLUETOOTH-AUX-/120605795457?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers)

Eclipse Fujitsu Ten 39011 Digital Sound Processor New! - eBay (item 280551178575 end time Sep-18-10 11:59:55 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/Eclipse-Fujitsu-Ten-39011-Digital-Sound-Processor-New-/280551178575?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers)

Or this alone:

Eclipse CD7100 CD/MP3 In Dash Receiver - eBay (item 200512037176 end time Aug-31-10 13:46:04 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/Eclipse-CD7100-CD-MP3-Dash-Receiver-/200512037176?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers)

whitedragon551
08-24-2010, 07:43 PM
I wouldn't say it's 100% user error since this has been an ongoing issue with Pioneer headunits. If it's from user error only then how come it doesn't happen as often with other units?

Its all 100% user error. It happens from having the HU on while playing with the RCA inputs. Ive never had a single issue with the multiple Pioneer HU's Ive installed.

hzsogood
08-24-2010, 09:00 PM
Eclipse never shut down. They stopped selling in North America.

ECLIPSE CD5030 NEW CD MP3 USB IPOD EQ BLUETOOTH AUX. - eBay (item 120605795457 end time Sep-05-10 14:01:32 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ECLIPSE-CD5030-NEW-CD-MP3-USB-IPOD-EQ-BLUETOOTH-AUX-/120605795457?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers)

Eclipse Fujitsu Ten 39011 Digital Sound Processor New! - eBay (item 280551178575 end time Sep-18-10 11:59:55 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/Eclipse-Fujitsu-Ten-39011-Digital-Sound-Processor-New-/280551178575?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers)

Or this alone:

Eclipse CD7100 CD/MP3 In Dash Receiver - eBay (item 200512037176 end time Aug-31-10 13:46:04 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/Eclipse-CD7100-CD-MP3-Dash-Receiver-/200512037176?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers)

Well beng that where I live, it might be a problem. Either way their quality has gone way downhill IMO. Especially since my 8443



Alpine or pioneer it still is

whitedragon551
08-24-2010, 09:16 PM
I personally wouldnt touch a Alpine or Pioneer compared to an Eclipse. Eclipse hands down even with their "decrease" in quality is still steps above the other 2. But to each their own. Heres an Eclipse right up your alley:

Car Audio For Sale Xtant, Eclipse 8V, Soundstream, JL, and Alpine - DIYMA.com (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/classifieds/86038-xtant-eclipse-8v-soundstream-jl-alpine.html)

http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/showthread.php?t=51304

http://cgi.ebay.com/Eclipse-CD8053-High-End-Head-Unit-Excellent-SQ-RARE-/220659057582?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers

That does it for all the old school Eclipse stuff I can find in good condition. Id head over to DIYMA. They have loads of old school SQ pieces loaded with features and addons for both Alpine and Pioneer.

hzsogood
08-24-2010, 10:13 PM
I personally wouldnt touch a Alpine or Pioneer compared to an Eclipse. Eclipse hands down even with their "decrease" in quality is still steps above the other 2. But to each their own. Heres an Eclipse right up your alley:

Car Audio For Sale Xtant, Eclipse 8V, Soundstream, JL, and Alpine - DIYMA.com (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/classifieds/86038-xtant-eclipse-8v-soundstream-jl-alpine.html)

Alpine 9887 for sale, great HU! - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/showthread.php?t=51304)

Eclipse CD8053 High End Head Unit. Excellent SQ! RARE! - eBay (item 220659057582 end time Aug-30-10 12:48:00 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/Eclipse-CD8053-High-End-Head-Unit-Excellent-SQ-RARE-/220659057582?pt=Car_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers)

That does it for all the old school Eclipse stuff I can find in good condition. Id head over to DIYMA. They have loads of old school SQ pieces loaded with features and addons for both Alpine and Pioneer.

I'm not looking for great sq. I'm looking for good functionality which eclipse has been 2 steps behind everyone else on.


If I wanted an sq deck it would be a pre amp or a premier 880.

I do like the new clarions as well

dumple
08-24-2010, 10:21 PM
i just picked up a alpine 9886 and have no complaints at all and the ipod interface is better in my opinion then the x001 i had

d77543020
08-25-2010, 12:10 AM
i agree with you i have all types of different brand of head units and pioneer was the only brand i had that pico fuse problem with,but i do love there decks as long its the 4000 series and up anything under that sounds like crap

d77543020
08-25-2010, 12:17 AM
why
for my experience with kenwood you get alot for your money, all the of the Kenwood eXcelons i have owned sounded great for a great price, for instance you can get a KENWOOD KDCX693 with all these features

* 3 Sets of 4V preamp outputs (front, rear and subwoofer)
* SIRIUS Satellite Radio Ready: Subscription and the purchase of Kenwood SIRIUS Package required and sold separately
* iPod and iPhone Ready: Kenwood KCA-IP101 recommended and sold separately, although the standard iPod-to-USB connection cable allows you to charge, control, and playback your iPod through the receiver and stereo system
* Bluetooth Ready: Kenwood KCA-BT200 required and sold separately
* HD Radio Ready: Kenwood KTC-HR200 required and sold separately.
* Rear auxiliary input: 3.5mm (headphone jack) allows connection to portable media devices such as MP3 players, etc.
* Rear USB input: USB port allows connection to portable media devices such as MP3 players, as well as a iPod USB direct connection
* Steering Wheel Control Ready: PAC SWI-JACKv1 required and sold separately
* CD Changer controls
for 100 dollars on ebay, you cant beat that

hzsogood
08-25-2010, 12:50 AM
for my experience with kenwood you get alot for your money, all the of the Kenwood eXcelons i have owned sounded great for a great price, for instance you can get a KENWOOD KDCX693 with all these features

* 3 Sets of 4V preamp outputs (front, rear and subwoofer)
* SIRIUS Satellite Radio Ready: Subscription and the purchase of Kenwood SIRIUS Package required and sold separately
* iPod and iPhone Ready: Kenwood KCA-IP101 recommended and sold separately, although the standard iPod-to-USB connection cable allows you to charge, control, and playback your iPod through the receiver and stereo system
* Bluetooth Ready: Kenwood KCA-BT200 required and sold separately
* HD Radio Ready: Kenwood KTC-HR200 required and sold separately.
* Rear auxiliary input: 3.5mm (headphone jack) allows connection to portable media devices such as MP3 players, etc.
* Rear USB input: USB port allows connection to portable media devices such as MP3 players, as well as a iPod USB direct connection
* Steering Wheel Control Ready: PAC SWI-JACKv1 required and sold separately
* CD Changer controls
for 100 dollars on ebay, you cant beat that


Everything you listed is on almost every new HU these days.. Hell I could get all those options on a brand new HU for 150 bucks


Youtr not doing a very good job plugging your kenwoods ;)


No kenwood fo me... alpine pioneer ( also premier ) and clarion

BeAlLsTaR13
08-25-2010, 12:56 AM
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/car-audio-classifieds/487062-fs-pioneer-avh-6500dvd-w-hide-away-ipod-interface.html

stanky1219
08-25-2010, 01:09 AM
Fudge Pioneer , everyone i have owned has had issues with noise through the rca's. excelon or alpine , and if you dont mind a ugly head unit get a eclipse , them muh-******* got 8 volt rca's!!!!

hzsogood
08-25-2010, 01:52 AM
Fudge Pioneer , everyone i have owned has had issues with noise through the rca's. excelon or alpine , and if you dont mind a ugly head unit get a eclipse , them muh-******* got 8 volt rca's!!!!

ive had em.. for years.. 1 volt, 8 volt , It dont mean a thing... Thats what amp gain is for

Bob Saget
08-25-2010, 12:42 PM
Fudge Pioneer , everyone i have owned has had issues with noise through the rca's. excelon or alpine , and if you dont mind a ugly head unit get a eclipse , them muh-******* got 8 volt rca's!!!!

I wouldn't be admitting to everyone you don't know how to properly install a Pioneer h/u.


It's simple: DON'T play with the RCA preouts while the deck has power to it. It takes 3 seconds to pull the harness plug.

Stalin-ohaulic
08-25-2010, 12:58 PM
The pico fuse issue is not from playing with the rca's while in use. It's from current being drawn through the rcas due to improper grounding.

Alpines no longer have all of the features they used to have. Kenwoods have nice EQ options. They have more free options than alpines. You can get all the same options with alpine but you have to buy add on unit after add on unit. I have experience with all of the newer head units every year :) Alpine still makes a great product, but they are skimping on the features now. Pioneer makes great units. They are up there with kenwood.... just make sure your grounds are amazing, and ground your rca's also. My vote is for kenwood.
It's funny that the pioneer nuthugger blasted spanky saying he didn't know how to install a HU but the idiot that blew his kenwood rca's out didn't get a tongue lashing. Pico issues are common with pioneers. Kenwood doesn't have a common problem that plagues each model.

Sweet'n Low
08-25-2010, 01:36 PM
I've got a Alpine CDA-9855 with the Slidebar and I love it. Not great for iphone and ipod tho... SQ and tune settings are hard to beat tho, you can get them pretty cheap if you look in the right places. You can match the button color to match your interior too if your into that kinda thing haha... owned a Pioneer DEH-6000UB before that as well, no real complaints...wasn't for me tho.

hzsogood
08-25-2010, 04:23 PM
I've never had a problem with ANY of my HUs as far as fuses or rcas blowing .... How does it even happen? I mean you install a hu and it slide in your dash all while the power on the car is off. Am I missing something here

Stalin-ohaulic
08-25-2010, 04:30 PM
I've never had a problem with ANY of my HUs as far as fuses or rcas blowing .... How does it even happen? I mean you install a hu and it slide in your dash all while the power on the car is off. Am I missing something here

The amp's ground has higher resistance than the Head unit's so the Amp draws current through the RCA's. You have to be a real idiot for this to happen, but it does.

kr15
08-25-2010, 04:50 PM
I am what you would call an "amatuer" installer, and I have owned multiple Pioneer HUs and have never had that fuse issue happen to me...so it must not be too difficult to avoid....And on the topic of alpines, I love mine, and mine is more of a base model

hzsogood
08-25-2010, 05:36 PM
The amp's ground has higher resistance than the Head unit's so the Amp draws current through the RCA's. You have to be a real idiot for this to happen, but it does.


Hmmm I have also never grounded my HU. I solder the harness and slide it in. That's it. I dunno what issues ppl are having but I've never seen or heard it happen. Around here at least

whitedragon551
08-25-2010, 05:38 PM
Hmmm I have also never grounded my HU. I solder the harness and slide it in. That's it. I dunno what issues ppl are having but I've never seen or heard it happen. Around here at least

My Eclipse is the first HU I soldered and heatshrank. Even when I used butt connectors on my Pioneer for a temp install it never happened. Ive also never seen it happen.

Jack Off
08-25-2010, 05:40 PM
I am in the same boat as OP. Have an old Pioneer deh-9200r but im now looking for an Alpine or Pioneer that plays mp3s and other formats as well as have ipod controls. Been checking out the alpine 9887/9886 and pioneer p7200hd.

will be following this thread to see what people recommend. i dont want to "upgrade" to a newer deck only to lose features that my old one had.

truckmano5
08-25-2010, 06:47 PM
Alpine all day. My cda-105 keeps me happy plus its less than $200 most places (I found mine on ebay).

boom24
08-25-2010, 06:55 PM
ive got a kenwood excelon x991 forsale with ipod setup..lmk if your intrested

BeAlLsTaR13
08-25-2010, 07:04 PM
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/car-audio-classifieds/487062-fs-pioneer-avh-6500dvd-w-hide-away-ipod-interface.html

this

hzsogood
08-25-2010, 07:13 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. No flip up screen for me. If I do something like that it will be a full double din screen. And my grand am is on it's last leg. So that's why I don't want to spend a ton. The alpine 105 like I said earlier seems to be a very good choice for iPod functionality and overall quality. Unless kenwood and clarioncan match for 200. But I reeeeallly pike the premiers.

Decisions decisions

BeAlLsTaR13
08-25-2010, 07:18 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. No flip up screen for me. If I do something like that it will be a full double din screen. And my grand am is on it's last leg. So that's why I don't want to spend a ton. The alpine 105 like I said earlier seems to be a very good choice for iPod functionality and overall quality. Unless kenwood and clarioncan match for 200. But I reeeeallly pike the premiers.

Decisions decisions

im using my cda-105 in my ga right now


and those numbers in your sig, are those in the GA?

boom24
08-25-2010, 07:20 PM
this

trade u my x991 for it?

hzsogood
08-25-2010, 07:28 PM
im using my cda-105 in my ga right now


and those numbers in your sig, are those in the GA?


Yessir. I don't know what it is about the 96-98 grand ams trunks but anything I put n there sounds great and gets loud with little power.

BeAlLsTaR13
08-25-2010, 07:42 PM
trade u my x991 for it?

toss me a PM

hzsogood
08-26-2010, 03:13 AM
Ok.. After looking at a few morre HU s, You Kenwood guys have my attn now.. The X994 looks pretty ******.. hmmmmmmm

hzsogood
08-26-2010, 03:37 AM
**** reviews on the ipod interface :(

but great price

Amazon.com: Kenwood Kiv-700 AM/FM/iPod(R)/iPhone(R) Receiver: Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/Kenwood-Kiv-700-iPod-iPhone-Receiver/dp/B003L83OYM)

hzsogood
09-03-2010, 04:48 AM
**** reviews on the ipod interface :(

but great price

Amazon.com: Kenwood Kiv-700 AM/FM/iPod(R)/iPhone(R) Receiver: Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/Kenwood-Kiv-700-iPod-iPhone-Receiver/dp/B003L83OYM)

anyone seen of used this HU?? I mean its one of Kenwoods top of the line decks at the price of a mid level pioneer or alpine.. yay , nay?

adam71
09-04-2010, 11:00 PM
I'd say alpine just because Pioneer has that retarded *** pico fuse issue.

Installed correctly, this is NOT an issue.