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Big Ry
07-31-2010, 08:20 PM
Im in need of new tweets. I initially decided to pick up some Selenium PA supertweets, but I didnt realize they were quite that big before I purchased them. I dont think im going to be able to fit these in without a glass mod which I just do not have the money for. I will either return them or use them in a tailgate setup :veryhapp: So I am hoping someone can recommend a good reasonably sized PA tweet or perhaps a not-totally-overpriced car audio tweet thats fairly efficient. I have 240W on tap per channel...far more than enough, but I tend to prefer louder highs than most people. I have some semi-nuked CMX kicks in now running active, but even when they were 100% I still was not satisfied. The closest I've come to being satisfied on the high end output was my MBQ premiums I had in my blazer years ago. They got nasty loud, but the aluminum domes hissed a bit and got rather painful at times lol. The rainbow aluminums weren't harsh at all, just not loud enough for me. So what would you suggest as a decent bang-for-your-buck tweet?

whitedragon551
07-31-2010, 09:45 PM
LPG 25NFAs if you prefer silk.
LPG 26NA's or the Diamond Audio Hex aluminum tweet if you prefer aluminum
Seas Neo Textiles are also awesome

RAM_Designs
07-31-2010, 09:48 PM
What do you plan on crossing them at?

papermaker
07-31-2010, 10:00 PM
sounds to me like your another one of those people who simply don't understand the physics and acoustics around audio..
stop looking for the more efficient tweeter and the type of material. chances are you love extremely boosted topend.. most people mistake this for detail.. the truth is your simply driving the speaker much too close to its limit and your looking for something with a natural peak around 16 to 20k..

ill be the first to say 1 set of tweeters simply won't satisify you.. your going to need 2 or maybe 3 tweeters per side..
you could start with something like a pair of vifa BC25TG19-04..
a pair of those should beable to get pretty **** loud Id say..

RAM_Designs
07-31-2010, 10:03 PM
you could start with something like a pair of vifa BC25TG19-04..
a pair of those should beable to get pretty **** loud Id say..

Are those the semi-horn loaded ones? I had some but never used them.

papermaker
07-31-2010, 10:05 PM
no there your normal domed tweeter..
ive heard 1200 dollar custom horns and there just not the same as a good soft dome..

RAM_Designs
07-31-2010, 10:08 PM
Ah, I was thinking of these...good if you don't need to cross them low, very efficient.

https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=45_229_324&products_id=8354

papermaker
07-31-2010, 10:11 PM
also might i add im in a similar boat.. i love the airy topend and output but hate the nasty sound of the thin metal tweeters there just not very natural.. i have the CDT drt 26 silks. they sound great one of the best tweeters in car audio for the money but there not designed to be loud.. another speaker they have designed that is a really nice option for people like us is the es020.. its a larger tweeter.. it has a low q and a low FS.. sure its is going to sound OK at best off axis but on axis up high as im mounting them they will easily surpass the 20khz mark down to 2khz with a 12db otcave xover.. its a tuff task but cdt is amoung the best designers and they did a good job on this tweeter.. it truly is a midrange tweeter..
they say it should be crossed around 1kha but if your looking for the output increase and you have decent mids no more than 35 degreees off axis crossing them @ 2500 with a 12db otcave slop gives you nearly a 4db increase.. i warn you though be prepared to build a sealed housing for the rear wave as its going to get muddy very quick if you free air it..

RAM_Designs
07-31-2010, 10:11 PM
These would be easy to squeeze in a pair on each side...

https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=45_229_324&products_id=8355

Big Ry
07-31-2010, 10:13 PM
LPG 25NFAs if you prefer silk.
LPG 26NA's or the Diamond Audio Hex aluminum tweet if you prefer aluminum
Seas Neo Textiles are also awesome

those look pretty good. do you have a preference for one over another?

Big Ry
07-31-2010, 10:15 PM
What do you plan on crossing them at?

im open lol. i plan to replace the woofers as well. ill likely be doing another active 2-way setup.

Big Ry
07-31-2010, 10:17 PM
sounds to me like your another one of those people who simply don't understand the physics and acoustics around audio..
stop looking for the more efficient tweeter and the type of material. chances are you love extremely boosted topend.. most people mistake this for detail.. the truth is your simply driving the speaker much too close to its limit and your looking for something with a natural peak around 16 to 20k..

ill be the first to say 1 set of tweeters simply won't satisify you.. your going to need 2 or maybe 3 tweeters per side..
you could start with something like a pair of vifa BC25TG19-04..
a pair of those should beable to get pretty **** loud Id say..

lol, yeah, i dont know anything about acoustics, says the guy telling me to pile on the tweeters like whipped cream.

Big Ry
07-31-2010, 10:20 PM
These would be easy to squeeze in a pair on each side...

https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=45_229_324&products_id=8355

theyd be hard to mount anywhere on axis without a lot of mods to my panels

papermaker
07-31-2010, 10:22 PM
actually multiple speakers isn't a bad thing as long as the distance/placement is linear.. note that most very highend speakers consist of multiple midbass midrange and tweeters but there all on the same plain axis and distance from the listing position..

Big Ry
07-31-2010, 10:26 PM
actually multiple speakers isn't a bad thing as long as the distance/placement is linear.. note that most very highend speakers consist of multiple midbass midrange and tweeters but there all on the same plain axis and distance from the listing position..
It doesn't matter how close they are, its still a headache. I know I'm getting fed up with output and on the verge of using 2 pairs, but I know it wont be easy to get the sound right.

papermaker
07-31-2010, 10:31 PM
honestly ive used muli tweeters and as long as they where pointed towards my ears very close together ive had no problems.. i know its **** with tweeters expically but you said you had the skill i figured you could make it happen..
i hate to suggest anything becasue i know you want the topend boosted and not many tweeters are going to handl the power and beable to be boosted..

Big Ry
07-31-2010, 10:38 PM
this is why i was hoping to make these PA tweets work. what i have to work with for the install is my current MDF rings, non-hardening clay, madisound sound dispersion pads for behind the woofers, some second skin (50-100 sq.ft. maybe), second skin liquid, and for the hardware i have my old *** 9800BT with its 13? band eq and TA, memphis 16x03 to cross, and PG xenon 200.4 for amplification. i really cant afford to be forking out money for other things. everything listed ive had for years (second skin, madisound pads were never installed). given my mediocre processing, i didnt really want to jump into a nightmare of trying to setup multiple tweeters if i can avoid it.

Big Ry
08-01-2010, 12:42 AM
whitedragon,

when you speak of the Seas Neo Textiles, are you referring to these?

https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1466

Also, does anyone have any input on the "bestsellers" under all tweeters at madisound? forget #1, i dont have $2,900 lol, but some of the others look promising. in particular, the one i listed above. its pushing the upper limit for price for me, but it seems like it would be worth it.

whitedragon551
08-01-2010, 12:49 AM
whitedragon,

when you speak of the Seas Neo Textiles, are you referring to these?

https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1466

Also, does anyone have any input on the "bestsellers" under all tweeters at madisound? forget #1, i dont have $2,900 lol, but some of the others look promising. in particular, the one i listed above. its pushing the upper limit for price for me, but it seems like it would be worth it.

Yes, but in general anything by Vifa, Peerless, LPG, or Seas will be a great buy.

For LPG's I loved my 25NFA's. I had them in my old car almost 4 months ago and I just sold them reluctantly. They get very loud and detailed off of HU power alone, but they dont get harsh. They are nice and airy. I had them about 45* off axis in the tops of my door panels ran passive.

Big Ry
08-01-2010, 12:57 AM
yeah, ive never had anything other than metal domes, im interested in trying some textiles. and with tweets like those seas, i could easily mount them on axis...although something that sounds nice off axis would be good as well.

Big Ry
08-01-2010, 01:03 AM
yeah, im really diggin these seas. any idea on a good woofer to match with a 2-way setup? i liked my CMX kicks' midbass. if i could find something like them that'd give me less issues, that'd be awesome.

i was looking at a few pro audio drivers over at partsexpress but i was concerned about mounting depth. i dont know how much i have to work with off the top of my head, but i cant imagine its a whole lot.

whitedragon551
08-01-2010, 01:09 AM
yeah, im really diggin these seas. any idea on a good woofer to match with a 2-way setup? i liked my CMX kicks' midbass. if i could find something like them that'd give me less issues, that'd be awesome.

i was looking at a few pro audio drivers over at partsexpress but i was concerned about mounting depth. i dont know how much i have to work with off the top of my head, but i cant imagine its a whole lot.

Size?

Big Ry
08-01-2010, 01:16 AM
oh sorry, 6.5. same power to work with again, 240w. like i said, im unsure about depth. i had my cmx kicks in with a 1" mdf baffle and they fit just fine. i want to reduce the baffle though, because my panels do not fit on correctly. if i can manage to get the baffle to line up with the pseudospeaker grill thats part of the panel, perhaps i can just cut that out. but i dont know if this will be possible without checking it out.

Big Ry
08-01-2010, 01:21 AM
not 6.5, but im sure i could make it work

Selenium 6W4P 6" Woofer | Parts-Express.com (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-422)

only problem is those massive magnets. ive heard some talk about these though, theyre supposed to be pretty good.

whitedragon551
08-01-2010, 01:25 AM
not 6.5, but im sure i could make it work

Selenium 6W4P 6" Woofer | Parts-Express.com (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-422)

only problem is those massive magnets. ive heard some talk about these though, theyre supposed to be pretty good.

Those are good.

Again most anything by Vifa, Selenium, Morel, Dayton, and Peerless are good DIY speakers for mids.

Peerless 835004 SDS 6-1/2" Woofer 4 Ohm | Parts-Express.com (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=299-250)
Peerless 830875 6-1/2" Nomex Cone HDS Woofer | Parts-Express.com (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-1092)
Dayton DC160-8 6-1/2" Classic Woofer | Parts-Express.com (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-305)

Big Ry
08-01-2010, 01:30 AM
Those are good.

Again most anything by Vifa, Selenium, Morel, Dayton, and Peerless are good DIY speakers for mids.

Peerless 835004 SDS 6-1/2" Woofer 4 Ohm | Parts-Express.com (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=299-250)
Peerless 830875 6-1/2" Nomex Cone HDS Woofer | Parts-Express.com (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-1092)
Dayton DC160-8 6-1/2" Classic Woofer | Parts-Express.com (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-305)
wow, those are rated pretty low. the dayton especially looks pretty beefy, 50wrms is surprising.

disturbed471985
08-01-2010, 09:20 PM
I'm loving these - https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=846

Big Ry
08-01-2010, 09:30 PM
Yeah, I saw those mentioned in another thread...not sure if it was you or not. I believe the person said the Seleniums **** lol. I haven't seen much feedback other than that though :/

galacticmonkey
08-04-2010, 09:59 PM
Those little 25-50w Vifa/Seas/etc stuff isnt where you need to be. Its the same kind of stuff you have now.

I have some DB Drive bullet tweeters for sale. They are like 101db efficient, 4ohm, and are 100rms. Brand new. Bought them on impulse, and 4ohm wont work for my setup. I paid $25 each, so Im looking for that much + shipping. PM me if you want pictures. They are only around 1.6" deep.

Big Ry
08-04-2010, 11:27 PM
Those little 25-50w Vifa/Seas/etc stuff isnt where you need to be. Its the same kind of stuff you have now.

I have some DB Drive bullet tweeters for sale. They are like 101db efficient, 4ohm, and are 100rms. Brand new. Bought them on impulse, and 4ohm wont work for my setup. I paid $25 each, so Im looking for that much + shipping. PM me if you want pictures. They are only around 1.6" deep.
first, your tellin me how great they are; now that u got something for sale, youre trash talking them? :eyebrow:

galacticmonkey
08-04-2010, 11:36 PM
The Seleniums? They rock. You just dont want something so big, so Im offering something smaller that is loud too.

Have you hooked up the Selenium tweeters yet?

Big Ry
08-04-2010, 11:52 PM
well any bullets are gonna be too big i think. im not using the seleniums now. i got the seas textiles. im gonna mount them in a closer location and mount on axis this time...hopefully that gives me the output i want.

galacticmonkey
08-05-2010, 05:01 PM
These arent big at all. If you have the depth, these will fit anywhere.

Big Ry
08-05-2010, 05:06 PM
Well now I got st200s, seas textiles, and now diamond hexes on the way. I don't need a 4th pair of tweeters lol