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raverx3m
05-17-2010, 07:23 PM
they have completely stripped their new headunits of any usefull audio features.
and left the only option of 1200 dollar PRS unit.
the eq is complete BS (100hz-8khz)
no separate crossover for front and back speakers
time allignment?


it has become a SONY with really ugly design.
go ahead and compare new pioneers with sony and you will realize how similar they are in features.

Mattd0344
05-17-2010, 07:24 PM
ehhh i only buy alpine and kenwood headunits anyway...

misfit138
05-17-2010, 07:25 PM
Alpine > Pioneer

Ali1
05-17-2010, 07:25 PM
alpine is no better.... they've been stripped since the 7998 model

pr-festiva
05-17-2010, 07:26 PM
that sux ive allways used pioneer head units:(

Mattd0344
05-17-2010, 07:28 PM
alpine is no better.... they've been stripped since the 7998 model

My 9887 aint too bad. But I agree that Alpine has gone down in quality..that's why I just purchased a Kenwood not too long ago. Kenwood makes a great headunit for the money.

Rich B
05-17-2010, 07:29 PM
When 1,000w amps sell for $200 its hard to convince the bean counters to make a HU that would have to sell for $500 to make any money.

dave_damage
05-17-2010, 07:32 PM
eclipse?

misfit138
05-17-2010, 07:34 PM
alpine is no better.... they've been stripped since the 7998 model

Electronics aren't built to the same standards as they once were. This isn't news.

whitedragon551
05-17-2010, 07:51 PM
eclipse?

Eclipse > Alpine and Pioneer

Sir Swish
05-17-2010, 07:54 PM
You can't beat Kenwood. My x693 is NICE!!

Rich B
05-17-2010, 07:54 PM
Eclipse > Alpine and Pioneer

Jenson>Eclipse>Alpine and Pioneer

revrider1
05-17-2010, 07:55 PM
I keep with my Panasonics...

Sir Swish
05-17-2010, 07:55 PM
Eclipse > Alpine and Pioneer

x2

whitedragon551
05-17-2010, 08:07 PM
Jenson>Eclipse>Alpine and Pioneer

My ***.

Blasphemy
05-17-2010, 08:10 PM
Jenson>Eclipse>Alpine and Pioneer

:laugh:

Slo_Ride
05-17-2010, 08:14 PM
ehhh i only buy alpine and kenwood headunits anyway...

x2

grimreper912003
05-17-2010, 08:14 PM
My list:

Alpine > Kenwood > Pioneer > Eclipse

Only reason, and I do mean only, eclipse is so far back is because I can never figure out their menu.

Beerdrnkr
05-17-2010, 08:25 PM
Pioneer 800prs > Alpine 9887 > Eclipse CD7100

whitedragon551
05-17-2010, 08:27 PM
My list:

Alpine > Kenwood > Pioneer > Eclipse

Only reason, and I do mean only, eclipse is so far back is because I can never figure out their menu.

I figured it out in about 2 minutes without the manual. You have an enter button, a return button, up and down and thats it.

Beerdrnkr
05-17-2010, 08:29 PM
Yeah, it's not that hard to figure out. The big knob though really started to **** me off. I love how the 800prs was able to get into all the settings through the remote.

Beerdrnkr
05-17-2010, 08:31 PM
Actually it should be 800prs > Alpine 9887 = Eclipse CD7100 (the eclipse did sound really good and I liked the EQ).

Team Nemesis-DJ
05-17-2010, 08:36 PM
I dont have any issues with my pioneer<<has i need

cam5860
05-17-2010, 08:53 PM
Alpine is in business to make money folks. You have to design what the majority of people want. That's simple features with iphone and ipod controls. There's not enough audiophiles left to support headuntis with a azz of tuning features anymore. Your average person don't know where to start on headunits like that.

cam5860
05-17-2010, 08:56 PM
I agree the pioneer headunits look like ***** this year. Which I have never cared for the sound quality of pioneer anyway. There amps **** azz too.

Rich B
05-17-2010, 09:02 PM
Alpine is in business to make money folks. You have to design what the majority of people want. That's simple features with iphone and ipod controls. There's not enough audiophiles left to support headuntis with a azz of tuning features anymore. Your average person don't know where to start on headunits like that.

That wouldnt be a problem so long as Alpine (or the other co.'s) sold the processing as a separate unit.

And I dont mean those crappy automatic Auddesy based EQ's either, since everyone who has used one complains there arent any user settings to adjust the sound once its been automatically adjusted.

Something like a PHX-H701, but less expensive and based on tech that isnt 8 years old.

norrizzle90
05-17-2010, 09:09 PM
boss makes the sickest headunits out there....*** whatcha hurd!!

masterbarber
05-17-2010, 09:12 PM
totally agree the come from bad to worse..............less quality more $$$$$$$$$

jake21
05-17-2010, 09:59 PM
The new alpine CDA-117 actually has some decent sound adjustments 7band eq graphic and parametric and also has time correction.

Its basically the CDA-9886 with ACTUAL sound adjustments rather than "bass and treble"

outsideshot23
05-17-2010, 10:01 PM
Jenson>Eclipse>Alpine and Pioneer

Kenwood>Jensen>Eclipse>Alpine and pioneer

wenn_du_weinst
05-17-2010, 10:14 PM
meh pioneer is crap anyway, only one I would have ever touched was the 880

whitedragon551
05-17-2010, 10:15 PM
The new alpine CDA-117 actually has some decent sound adjustments 7band eq graphic and parametric and also has time correction.

Its basically the CDA-9886 with ACTUAL sound adjustments rather than "bass and treble"

$349.99 without the Imprint system and only 4v preouts. Ill take the Eclipse CD7200 MKii any day.

raverx3m
05-17-2010, 11:46 PM
but all the BS aside.
there were some great units
i personally owned
pioneer 8600
alpine 9833
kenwood kdc-x592
and all 3 are amazing units

but they are dinasaurs.
the USB is a major step for car audio.
giving acess to tonns of music and in theory higher than cd audio quality, no skip, and easy browsing and much more.

the problem is that companies got a really stupid idea that since alot of people have ipods and mp3s they dont care about sound quality and features.

sony took the first dive into the WALLMART crowd. and they are excited. because the MASSES dont give a **** about 31band EQ, they are stupid and easily fall for common advertizing tricks, like 300 WATTS OF POWER TOTAL, 5 PRESET EQ, 3 BAND EQ with built in continuum transfunctioner...

pioneer just took in the sony's strategy and released alot of garbage to the market this year.

and left audiophiles with only one way road, the stage 4 setup. ONLY ONE OPTION!!!! WTF


i cannot justify spending 1200 on a unit that has more features than i need. theres no more middle class. no flexibility.

i spent 1000 dollars on my whole setup piece by piece and made it sound impressive enough so that everyone that rides in my car asks me what did i do to make it sound that good.

alpine and kenwood are somewhat holding onto the old game plan. but they are as well switching to the walmart.

btw the alpine 117 is an identical unit to 9886, it doesnt have full bass engine pro like 8997
it has limited crossover and time allignment. i also dont know what the idea behind that unit was, the improvements are minimal over 9886

Bumpin' Goalie
05-17-2010, 11:51 PM
You can't beat Kenwood. My x693 is NICE!!

Lovin' mine too for 150$ lol. Good price for a good product. Likin' the front/rear/sub crossovers and TA

whitedragon551
05-17-2010, 11:55 PM
but they are dinasaurs.
the USB is a major step for car audio.
giving acess to tonns of music and in theory higher than cd audio quality, no skip, and easy browsing and much more.

the problem is that companies got a really stupid idea that since alot of people have ipods and mp3s they dont care about sound quality and features.

sony took the first dive into the WALLMART crowd. and they are excited. because the MASSES dont give a **** about 31band EQ, they are stupid and easily fall for common advertizing tricks, like 300 WATTS OF POWER TOTAL, 5 PRESET EQ, 3 BAND EQ with built in continuum transfunctioner...

pioneer just took in the sony's strategy and released alot of garbage to the market this year.

and left audiophiles with only one way road, the stage 4 setup. ONLY ONE OPTION!!!! WTF


i cannot justify spending 1200 on a unit that has more features than i need. theres no more middle class. no flexibility.

i spent 1000 dollars on my whole setup piece by piece and made it sound impressive enough so that everyone that rides in my car asks me what did i do to make it sound that good.

alpine and kenwood are somewhat holding onto the old game plan. but they are as well switching to the walmart.

btw the alpine 117 is an identical unit to 9886, it doesnt have full bass engine pro like 8997
it has limited crossover and time allignment. i also dont know what the idea behind that unit was, the improvements are minimal over 9886

MP3 320kbps still isnt CD quality and its the highest quality MP3 you can have.

You have Nakamichi HU's that are pretty amazing with the CD300 and the CD400 models. CD300 starts at about $180 and the CD400 is about $300.

You also have the option of Clarion DXZ785USB which is a cheap active capable HU and Clarion makes some great products. Look at their APX Zeff designed amps.

You have alot more options than Pioneer and better options at that. I see nothing to complain about.

raverx3m
05-17-2010, 11:56 PM
so since theres obviously alot of audiophiles here on this board.

can we do something about it instead of repeatedly *****ing about it for years and years to come.

obviously the wallmart crowd was heard.

they wanted cheap **** that has lots of useless features and they got it.

and we here just complain to eachother and hope that maybe someone from pioneer (alpine,sonykenwoodjvcetc) hears our complaints.

as many of you realize we as a group that knows more about the car audio are not easily fooled and NOT PROFITABLE to companies.

and mostly ignored.

so we can ***** or we can come up with a plan and be heard.

d77543020
05-17-2010, 11:56 PM
between the pico fuse problem and lack of any audio features(unless you get the very high end units)i have given up on pioneer and made the switch to kenwood

whitedragon551
05-17-2010, 11:57 PM
between the pico fuse problem and lack of any audio features(unless you get the very high end units)i have given up on pioneer and made the switch to kenwood

PICO issue is all installer error. Nothing more nothing less.

raverx3m
05-18-2010, 12:01 AM
everyone seems to forget that LACK OF USB SUPPORT IS A MAJOR ISSUE these days.
because i dont carry CDS to my car anymore.

yes i have a great selection of units if i want to turn my car into a SOUND TEST LAB.

but i like to have the 32gb thumb drive plugged in my car

d77543020
05-18-2010, 12:02 AM
PICO issue is all installer error. Nothing more nothing less.

never had that problem with any other unit but pioneer

twistedchild420
05-18-2010, 12:03 AM
Pioneer> all

OmegaBunny
05-18-2010, 12:05 AM
I like my Pioneer but it came with the car. Before that I have always owned several Kenwoods and one Alpine.

groundpound4200
05-18-2010, 12:08 AM
I dont think there have been many advances in HU technology in a long time. Optical outputs would be sweet.

whitedragon551
05-18-2010, 12:13 AM
never had that problem with any other unit but pioneer

Thats because its a Pioneer specific issue, but it only happens if the installer ****s up.


Raver USB may be important, then shell out the cash for a HU that has it if its so important and quit whining about the price. For the price of a Clarion DXZ785USB you have an active capable HU with USB for $170 new. Thats hardly anything for a HU that has the amount of features that 785USB has. This is exactly why Pioneers HU's are getting worse. Because people ***** about price and want all these features for dirt cheap. They make a ****** unit with inferior parts so you can have the features you want for the price you want it at, but then whine when it sounds like ****. If you want a good HU with the features you want shell out the cash.

12voltz+-
05-18-2010, 12:13 AM
i feelin on this is from what i here eclipes has already pulled out of the us market and are only dealing with the European area how true this is im not sure? as well as i heard the same from alpine that they might do the same and also pull out..... Panasonic is already done with 12v so no more radios........ pioneer and there notorious problem for there pico fuse *****, whether is installer error or not, just a pain in the *** to sell it to a consumer and have them come back like WTF??? as well as there overalll crappy sound from a lot of there newer units

I LOVE my kenwood HU especially the execlone.... also JVC makes some solid radio for the money as well the kdr900 is very nice..... Clarion is stil around and make a few decent units also....

Johnny Law.Lulz
05-18-2010, 12:13 AM
IMHO

JVC Arsenal > Alpine > Kenwood > Pioneer

I cant put eclipse on that list because i have never had one but JVC Aresenal HU's are amazing.

Rich B
05-18-2010, 12:15 AM
I dont think there have been many advances in HU technology in a long time. Optical outputs would be sweet.

Alpine had optical outputs on the CDA-7939 in the mid 90's, and the CDA-7949 in the late 90's.

twistedchild420
05-18-2010, 12:19 AM
Ballin......


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/Images/DEH-P7200HD_incar_large.jpg

Rich B
05-18-2010, 12:24 AM
Ballin......


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/Images/DEH-P7200HD_incar_large.jpg


Thats beautiful, but whats up with that display?

Even Sony has nicer displays.

12voltz+-
05-18-2010, 12:28 AM
tiny screen and blue blob lool! jk ever one likes what the like

OmegaBunny
05-18-2010, 12:40 AM
That's a nice looking unit with the exception of the display. I've seen Dual's at Wal-Mart with nicer displays:)

Johnny Law.Lulz
05-18-2010, 12:42 AM
Ill stick with my Arsenal 815 :fyi:

raverx3m
05-18-2010, 02:08 AM
http://images.roflposters.com/images/rofl/thumbs/1238825081722.jpg.thumb.jpg


shell out 1200? why? because we are left with only few options.

look at the features of the earlier alpine models
look at the features on kenwood units from 2-3 years ago

look at the features of 8600 500 dollars and DEH-P880PRS 800 dollars

add a USB to them and there wouldnt be need for anything else

where are those features now?

and btw the clarion is great features except it is a one ugly mafakin unit that looks like it was stolen from a startrek voyager ship... and no rotary volume knob.

norrizzle90
05-18-2010, 02:14 AM
this guy is my little champion :D

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/01/iDA-X305.jpg

groundpound4200
05-18-2010, 02:18 AM
Alpine had optical outputs on the CDA-7939 in the mid 90's, and the CDA-7949 in the late 90's.

this needs to be the standard though.. amps, decks and all

raverx3m
05-18-2010, 02:21 AM
optical outputs would require alot more labor.
are you willing to pay extra for the install? typical consumer would not care much about signal to noise ration since most of the music is noise as well.

groundpound4200
05-18-2010, 02:25 AM
I install my own stuff and how is there any extra labor involved?

subzero
05-18-2010, 02:35 AM
I need a new deck with all the fixings....

RJesus
05-18-2010, 02:48 AM
I keep with my Panasonics...

i believe panasonic stopped making car audio?

Korn4Life
05-18-2010, 02:56 AM
Here you go a Pioneer unit that has everything you need.

Pioneer USA - DEH-P710BT - Premier™ CD Receiver with Full Motion OEL Display, Built-In Bluetooth and USB Direct Control for iPod (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/In-Dash/CD-Players/DEH-P710BT?tab=B)

Korn4Life
05-18-2010, 03:03 AM
Or you could buy this unit
Pioneer USA - DEH-P800PRS - Premier™ CD Receiver with High Quality Audio Design (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/In-Dash/CD-Players/DEH-P800PRS)

Then add this on to it
Pioneer USA - CD-UB100 - Connect your USB &#34;Jump Drives&#34; and MP3 Players (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Accessories/iPod/CD-UB100)

djm4rshm2llow
05-18-2010, 03:18 AM
I just purchased a avh-p3200d. I replaced my alpine ida-x100 with it. **** i hate myself. I always wanted a tv in my car, i had never owned a pioneer hu before but my friend had one of their older flipouts, and it is amazing. But of course, i see a decent priced tv, rush into it, and now i hate it. The sq sounds like ****. The volume goes to 40 but once you get to 20 there is no difference in loudness, only the distortion gets worse. I try to **** with the eq which theoredically should help, NOPE. The sound either gets too low, distorted, or my tweeters sound like ****. I cant stand this unit. I wish i had never traded my baby for it. The ida-x100 was one of the best units ive ever owned. The only reason i like the pioneer is because i can watch transformers when im stuck in traffic (:)). Other than that, this thing is ****. Dont buy one.

whitedragon551
05-18-2010, 09:42 AM
http://images.roflposters.com/images/rofl/thumbs/1238825081722.jpg.thumb.jpg


shell out 1200? why? because we are left with only few options.

look at the features of the earlier alpine models
look at the features on kenwood units from 2-3 years ago

look at the features of 8600 500 dollars and DEH-P880PRS 800 dollars

add a USB to them and there wouldnt be need for anything else

where are those features now?

and btw the clarion is great features except it is a one ugly mafakin unit that looks like it was stolen from a startrek voyager ship... and no rotary volume knob.

This is exactly why the market is producing ****** equipment with only a few popular features.

raverx3m
05-18-2010, 02:21 PM
belive me i have searched alot

and like i said i DONT need a 1200 dollar unit
because i dont have the speakers and amps to match it.

a 600 dollar unit would do just fine

i dont need a quadruple DAC and platinum coated volume knob, motorized faceplade with VTEC so it retracts at 8000 rpm.

and to answer the rest of the questions.
710 doesnt have a 3 way crossover, doesnt have time allignment, doesnt have an eq that goes above 12.5 and below 50hz
pioneer

DEH-P800PRS YES PLEASE!!!!!!! thats exactly what im looking for.
but not with a piggyback usb, its very buggy. read the reviews. alpine made one as well

but i highly doubt that pioneer will release an updated DEH-P800PRS with USB support built in.

because that means that they would have a unit that is very close to the new PRS 99 but for cheaper.


does anyone see what im talking about?

we had a great unit that cost 600 dollars

now we have a BIG gap between wallmart **** ??????????????? and the top of the line 1200 dllar unit

Beerdrnkr
05-18-2010, 02:34 PM
Maybe it's because a lot of newer cars have stereos you can't replace? There's processors out there that are hitting the 600-800 dollar mark that will provide everything you need.

Blue Fury
05-18-2010, 02:42 PM
Why are you bitching so much? Did Pioneer rape your father and kill your mother? Since you don't care for them anymore, buy an older one or go with something else.

thisistiny
05-18-2010, 02:58 PM
i still burn mp3 DVDs (LOL) for my Pioneer Avic-D3.. i don't mind.. i still like my pioneer DD :]

kraudio12
05-18-2010, 03:10 PM
i got my gf the new kenwood 494 and its pretty sick has filters for front back and subs speakers alot of eq adjustments i really liked the newer pioneer i was gonna get the 9800 but i guess ill just keep my 400ub now since its got some decent settings

raverx3m
05-18-2010, 09:26 PM
i like pioneer. and ive been waiting for them to make a good unit that is reasonably priced.

whitedragon551
05-18-2010, 09:48 PM
i like pioneer. and ive been waiting for them to make a good unit that is reasonably priced.

Or you can get a superior HU with more options for less like Eclipse, Clarion, and even Kenwood.

raverx3m
05-18-2010, 09:56 PM
thats not about what i want. and thats not what this post is about
i did my research and i know for a fact that no one makes the unit i want.
there were few in the past that have the features i want but they are old and dont support USB.

whitedragon551
05-18-2010, 10:00 PM
thats not about what i want. and thats not what this post is about
i did my research and i know for a fact that no one makes the unit i want.
there were few in the past that have the features i want but they are old and dont support USB.

Then what do you want in a HU? T/A, active capable, USB?

Sounds to me like your pissed and want a company to make a one of HU just for you.

Beerdrnkr
05-18-2010, 10:05 PM
I don't really think that Pioneer feels like just catering to you. It was just last year or the year before? that they came out with the 800prs. That has everything you need, they know how much people run their ipods so they made sure to make a seperate add-on for it for the extra money. if you want USB you can have it for a little bit extra. The 800prs was going for around $375 online, I thought it was a good deal for such a nice deck. Going 4way active on a HU seems to become a lot more difficult and expensive, Clarion 9255 ($800), Pioneer P99? and the older one with the processor ($1200), Alpine H701/combo ($800), and so on. I hardly think that many people go 4way active as far as people with systems are concerned.

Beerdrnkr
05-18-2010, 10:08 PM
Although I still can't wait for the day that a company comes out with a double din dvd/nav/4way active combo. For now I'll just have to stick with the W205/H701 combo I just picked up.

whitedragon551
05-18-2010, 10:08 PM
The Eclipse CD7100 has all of those features as well and also has iPod options and USB built in. If $400-$500 for a brand new HU with iPod controls, USB, memory stick, area shot GPS, time alignment and the ability to run 3 way active is to much for you I suggest you reconsider the audio path your taking.

raverx3m
05-19-2010, 01:52 AM
why are you defending the company that limits your choices in hopes of making a profit on you?
and designs the units in a way that they always lack one or two important features and forces youto spend more money.

a good example would be lack of support for flac files.
pioneers excuse was that it requires more processing power.
well lets see. the gay dolphin graphics also require processing power...

SRim23
05-19-2010, 02:23 AM
designs the units in a way that they always lack one or two important features and forces youto spend more money.
trying to figure out how to get people to spend more money while giving them less is business man. simple as that.

whitedragon551
05-19-2010, 09:31 AM
why are you defending the company that limits your choices in hopes of making a profit on you?
and designs the units in a way that they always lack one or two important features and forces youto spend more money.

a good example would be lack of support for flac files.
pioneers excuse was that it requires more processing power.
well lets see. the gay dolphin graphics also require processing power...

If you open your options to more then Pioneer then you dont have an issue. Your narrow minded and ignorant. And your lack of business understanding is overwhelming.

nateberrier
05-19-2010, 10:02 AM
Take my 860MP. It was/is a top of the line unit from Pioneer. In order to get the crossovers, DACs, Preout volts, etc It also had to come with a useless color screen that animates a car zooming around. I bought it with some lines on the screen and my buddies are like why would you buy a fked up HU. And all I can think is this is why they put the screen on there. To be able to sell enough to justify making a HU of that caliber. IDC whats on the screen if it sounds good. I traded all my newer HUs for older alpines and pioneers. 860mp and 9855 to be exact

raverx3m
05-19-2010, 03:18 PM
the animation on the screen is aimed at the people that want "THE ****" in other words they want the best **** available without knowing how to use it.
just for show.

i had a guy with the 880prs that had it for 2 years, he didnt know how to take the faceplate off, almost bought another 600 dollar unit to replace it.

he was very surprised when i took the face off with a simple push of a button. and wheni changed the color from blue to white he almost **** his pants...


i never said i dont like pioneer.

i just wish they stop trying to sell GARBAGE!!!!!

why cant they make an update to 8600 with USB buit in? can anyone tell me? it was a very popular unit.

because they made the prs99 and they want all of us to buy it if we want anything more than bluetooth and gay animations with 8khz EQ...

t1990le
05-19-2010, 03:23 PM
I keep with my Panasonics...

THIS ive never had any probs with mine and its 6 yrs old lol

JimJ
05-19-2010, 03:39 PM
Who needs EQ in their head unit, anyway?

That's what external units are for...

raverx3m
05-19-2010, 11:33 PM
do you know that less processing means less noise?

when the processing is done in the headunit its the purest sound you will get.
external processor amplifies the noise as well
it goes thru the DSP in the headunit
preamp
RCA
another processor in the external unit and then out to another set of RCAs and another processor in teh amp.

great way to amplify all the distortions that are introduced by each component

whitedragon551
05-19-2010, 11:37 PM
do you know that less processing means less noise?

when the processing is done in the headunit its the purest sound you will get.
external processor amplifies the noise as well
it goes thru the DSP in the headunit
preamp
RCA
another processor in the external unit and then out to another set of RCAs and another processor in teh amp.

great way to amplify all the distortions that are introduced by each component

Thats why external processors that are worth a **** have a very good S/N ratio and are very efficient with a very low rate of THD generally in the .0x or .00x range.

Beerdrnkr
05-20-2010, 12:29 AM
Sometimes have optical inputs too.

Rich B
05-20-2010, 12:48 AM
I want to know why Pioneer spends so much money designing HU's they only release in Japan.

I would have thought they could save money on making the crap the try to sell in the US by releasing the Japanese models here instead (after changing radio frequencies so they work here, of course).

Look at this, its a dual din (not double din, it has two independent units that work together), model AVIC-VH9990........

http://pioneer.jp/carrozzeria/cybernavi/common/images/pic_vh9990_main_05.jpg

Translation result for http://pioneer.jp/ (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpioneer.jp%2F&lp=ja_en&.intl=us&fr=yfp-t-701-s)

Beerdrnkr
05-20-2010, 01:00 AM
Pioneer isn't the only one. Alpine and I think Eclipse have some pretty ****** japanese model headunits.

d77543020
05-20-2010, 03:11 AM
I want to know why Pioneer spends so much money designing HU's they only release in Japan.

I would have thought they could save money on making the crap the try to sell in the US by releasing the Japanese models here instead (after changing radio frequencies so they work here, of course).

Look at this, its a dual din (not double din, it has two independent units that work together), model AVIC-VH9990........

http://pioneer.jp/carrozzeria/cybernavi/common/images/pic_vh9990_main_05.jpg

Translation result for http://pioneer.jp/ (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpioneer.jp%2F&lp=ja_en&.intl=us&fr=yfp-t-701-s)

that's a **** looking unit

raverx3m
05-21-2010, 01:56 AM
carrozzeria is a separate company from pioneer i think.
they design the units pioneer makes them.
its kind of special edition.
from what i remember.

nateberrier
05-21-2010, 02:06 AM
Im not saying Pioneer stuff is garbage. Im just saying they want to make a good HU but they have to make it glitzy so they can make a profit while pleasing audiophiles. If I could get another 860 or 8600 I would jizz. I like the 9855 I have a lot as well but the nav blows chode. Ill stick to CDs if it means getting the quality.

snoopdan
05-21-2010, 12:21 PM
they put all those flashy graphics on the screens for the gooks. I mean, come on have you seen the japan skyline at night? Its like looking at one big head unit.

d77543020
09-28-2010, 11:28 PM
Maybe it's because a lot of newer cars have stereos you can't replace? There's processors out there that are hitting the 600-800 dollar mark that will provide everything you need.

this is why i think high end processors will be the future, stock cars are coming out with nicer and nicer headunits and more people are reluctant to change them out

Wingsfreak9
09-28-2010, 11:34 PM
this is why i think high end processors will be the future, stock cars are coming out with nicer and nicer headunits and more people are reluctant to change them out

threads old bro...like over 4 months old

RAM_Designs
09-28-2010, 11:44 PM
Can't get a better quality HU than a used 8053 for <$200. I'd include the active capable Clarions but they're ugly as sin and just don't sound as good IMO.

DonH
09-28-2010, 11:46 PM
kenwood....

Rich B
09-28-2010, 11:59 PM
Pyle

matt_bennett05
09-29-2010, 01:09 AM
Diesel... The black smoke pouring out gets the redneck chicks every time... ;)

matt_bennett05
09-29-2010, 01:09 AM
Diesel Audio... The black smoke pouring out gets the redneck chicks every time... ;)

Louisiana_CRX
09-29-2010, 11:15 AM
I'd have to say Rockwood ...I was told it was a hybrid brand a cross between Rockford and Kenwood the best of both brands in one :crazy:

Louisiana_CRX
09-29-2010, 11:16 AM
Rockwood was the highend and Kenford was their basic series.... :fyi:

benzmansl65amg
09-29-2010, 11:22 AM
Kenwood is still making decent stuff for 300 dollars a great hu can be had with time alighnment Xovers and all. Alpine has gone down and it seems pioneer has done the same unless 1k is spent for a great alpine or pioneer. I bought a pioneer vsx-820-k home audio reciever about 2 months ago and that thing has time alignment and crossovers and it sounds great it retails for $300 in the store. Kinda ironic.

VWBobby
10-02-2010, 02:57 PM
Rockwood was the highend and Kenford was their basic series.... :fyi:
I thought you were joking when you said Rockwood. Sure enough, they make head units. I can't really find anyone who actually uses them.

I was in the market for a Pioneer until I read about all the problems in this thread.....now I'm thinking Kenwood..:uhoh:

whitedragon551
10-02-2010, 05:19 PM
I thought you were joking when you said Rockwood. Sure enough, they make head units. I can't really find anyone who actually uses them.

I was in the market for a Pioneer until I read about all the problems in this thread.....now I'm thinking Kenwood..:uhoh:

Those problems are caused by incompetent installers.

VWBobby
10-03-2010, 02:29 AM
That's kinda what I was thinking too.... I recently bought a cheapie Pioneer 1200 and it sounds pretty good, especially for a $60 HU. As long as you don't knock that fuse while installing it, I don't see how it can be too much of a problem.

I've seen some units with a 24-bit DAC, but they have around 95-100db S/N ratio. I've seen some ~$180 Kenwoods with a 105db S/N ratio but they don't say what the bit rate of the DAC is? Anyone know if the
cost of a 24-bit DAC or a Burr Brown DAC is worth the extra cost if the S/N ratio is better on some of the cheaper units? Sorry for all the questions!:-s

Edit: I ended up going with the Kenwood HD545U. It has built-in HD Radio and a 24-bit DAC. It also has a 105db S/N ratio so for $130 it can't be beat imho. :) Only drawback I see is the 2.5 volts pre-outs(3 sets).

CrossFired
10-05-2010, 10:59 PM
There going where the money is! NAV and video craaaap! Why they wont add some sound control to the Double DIN units? HTF knows.



they have completely stripped their new headunits of any usefull audio features.
and left the only option of 1200 dollar PRS unit.
the eq is complete BS (100hz-8khz)
no separate crossover for front and back speakers
time allignment?


it has become a SONY with really ugly design.
go ahead and compare new pioneers with sony and you will realize how similar they are in features.

Pickler
10-08-2010, 06:44 PM
I like my 880 :)

edzy
10-08-2010, 07:54 PM
I never liked Pioneer with that Cyclopse looking single knob, Any Single knob HU for that matter. My Fav is the Kenwood X890 because of its symetric design, plus all the features and USB on a whip. I cut a small hole in the dash and just plug in my thumbdrives. Looks slick and is easily accessible. Out of all the Kenwood X models, I say the X890 is one of the best they made. It has decent Wolfson 24-bit digital-to-analog converter, Has aux input, ( I run my tv/vcr thru it) And the music organizer is the Shitzzz. Voice indexing of folders ect.
3 sets of 5-volt preamp outputs
And being an 2008 model, it can be had for cheap. $149.50
2 year warranty as well.

If I didnt have the Kenwood, I would go for a Eclipse, MacIntosh, or a zapco...Yes, Zapco made a few HU's.

papermaker
10-11-2010, 09:35 PM
MP3 320kbps still isnt CD quality and its the highest quality MP3 you can have.

You have Nakamichi HU's that are pretty amazing with the CD300 and the CD400 models. CD300 starts at about $180 and the CD400 is about $300.

You also have the option of Clarion DXZ785USB which is a cheap active capable HU and Clarion makes some great products. Look at their APX Zeff designed amps.

You have alot more options than Pioneer and better options at that. I see nothing to complain about.

my x991 reads wav.. which is CD quality.. i have alot of 320 and wav files and it beats a CD any time..
everyone i ever knew that had a eclipse they just didn't last..
i was amongst the biggest pioneer fan ever but after i heard the x991 as compared to my 780mp ill never look back.. the only pioneer i consider is the new top dog.. and even then if kenwood made a excelon that exceeded the x991 i would consider any other cd player.. nak is over rated as well as eclipse. alpine made the 9886 and it sounds amazing as good as the x991 but the x991 had better xovers and more features... the 9887 is basically the same unit as the 9886 but with ht added 3ways xover but they failed to incorporate separate dac's to provide better xovers it would cost closer to 750 for such a unit but imo it would be worth it fa sure..

i tested the eclipse pre amp output and i couldn't get 8 volts clipped maxed out.. more like 3.2 clean @ 50hz..they always sounds bite and tiny as well..

papermaker
10-11-2010, 09:38 PM
i think the x991 was there premier unit then cheapo depot stuff starting hurting them..

Bass911
10-11-2010, 10:43 PM
Maybe it's because a lot of newer cars have stereos you can't replace? There's processors out there that are hitting the 600-800 dollar mark that will provide everything you need.

That's why cars that are easy to upgrade to after market stuff sell more. I hate newer cars that have unnecessary space ship looking dashes. I was just looking at a Camaro vs Challenger, and the Challenger is way better if you love car audio. The Challenger has plenty of trunk for subs and it is easy to drop a double din in it. It would be a pain to do either with the Camaro because it has an extra small trunk and a funny looking dash. I don't even understand why guys buy pickups that ain't going to be hauling nothing, then try to cram subs under or behind the seat. I don't understand why some want to keep the factory look because I've never seen any factory look better than after market gear. You don't really like car audio if you buy a car that's hard to work with.

LiveAudio911
10-21-2010, 10:06 PM
I'll stick with my JVC Arsenal I bought just for the USB for my flash drive and HD Radio.. now kenwood has one a year and a half after i bought my HD Radio..

Time to upgrade as the HD radio commercials once said yes? LOL