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andy525
05-09-2010, 11:28 PM
So today I recieved my new Popular Mechanics magazine (http://www.enjoynike.com). I know it isn't an auto mag, but occasionally they have a good article or two about cars. Well in this issue they take a 2010 Camaro SS and 2010 Shelby GT 500 to the Bonneville salt flats to top speed test them. I know many of you are saying..."but they are limited to 155mph. (http://www.enjoynike.com)" Well PM took the cars to Lingenfelter in Indiana and had the speed limiters removed. The Camaro went 174.4 MPH and the Shelby did 184.7 MPH. Those are some pretty impressive numbers. Just thought that was cool.

misfit138
05-09-2010, 11:30 PM
Ford > Chevy once again.

Not surprising at all really...

RAM_Designs
05-09-2010, 11:37 PM
This is a great enclosure design and construction thread.

Jh8909
05-09-2010, 11:38 PM
This is a great enclosure design and construction thread.

x2, sticky?

GAM3OVR
05-09-2010, 11:39 PM
meh, we got my buddys corvette z06 to 207.1 in salt flats

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:12 PM
Ford > Chevy once again.

Not surprising at all really...

Correct, that ford cost way more than the Chevy. Try a comparably priced Chevy....like a vette.

KyleBechtold
05-10-2010, 08:15 PM
Correct, that ford cost way more than the Chevy. Try a comparably priced Chevy....like a vette.

lol even the regular vettes are more than the shelby.. you can get a shelby 500 off the lot for around 60k.. and they will smoke the regular and stay close with the z06

Blasphemy
05-10-2010, 08:15 PM
Ford > Chevy once again.

Not surprising at all really...

Word.

schackel
05-10-2010, 08:23 PM
lol even the regular vettes are more than the shelby.. you can get a shelby 500 off the lot for around 60k.. and they will smoke the regular and stay close with the z06

zo6 leaves GT dead in the water, especially if its a curvy road. vetts are know for there turning speed

KyleBechtold
05-10-2010, 08:28 PM
they better for 20k extra.. but upgrade the the supercharger belt, exhaust and a few bolt-ons with the 20k saved and you have a close match

DerekSmith07
05-10-2010, 08:30 PM
zo6 leaves GT dead in the water, especially if its a curvy road. vetts are know for there turning speed

well thats common sense.....

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:30 PM
Correct, that ford cost way more than the Chevy. Try a comparably priced Chevy....like a vette.

excuses

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:33 PM
lol even the regular vettes are more than the shelby.. you can get a shelby 500 off the lot for around 60k.. and they will smoke the regular and stay close with the z06

What? I don't think you know what you're talking about. A Vette starts at 49K and can be bought for less..... The sticker on the Shelby starts around 45 actually, but are usually marked up near the 60 you mention.

As to smoking a corvette, and keeping up with a Z06......you've got to be kidding me. No offense, but I probably am in the wrong place talking w/ the wrong dudes to be surprised by this kind of talk. Just google this stuff.

schackel
05-10-2010, 08:35 PM
What? I don't think you know what you're talking about. A Vette starts at 49K and can be bought for less..... The sticker on the Shelby starts around 45 actually, but are usually marked up near the 60 you mention.

As to smoking a corvette, and keeping up with a Z06......you've got to be kidding me. No offense, but I probably am in the wrong place talking w/ the wrong dudes to be surprised by this kind of talk. Just google this stuff.

i trust you b/c you gots a vett in youre ava :D

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:35 PM
Ok, than the Z06 wastes the GT500, and the ZR1 isn't a comparison. I don't want to hear an excuse about the 'stang being cheaper;)

Also, C&D just ran the 11 GT vs the SS, identical 0-60 and the SS was faster in the 1/4 (both time and trap speed).

The only Mustang now that is faster is the V6, kind of like being the tallest midget.

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:37 PM
i trust you b/c you gots a vett in youre ava :D

Haha, good call.

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:39 PM
The Z06 is a $75k vehicle. By all means, it should smoke a GT 500...

05fronty
05-10-2010, 08:40 PM
thats for the 2010 mustang. wonder what the numbers will be for the 2011 model?

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:41 PM
thats for the 2010 mustang. wonder what the numbers will be for the 2011 model?

5.0 ftw :)

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:43 PM
The Z06 is a $75k vehicle. By all means, it should smoke a GT 500...

Haha, but when I pointed out the GT500 costs a ton more than an SS you said that's an excuse;) I even said in advance this is what you'd say!

With no Ford GT, Ford has nothing.

05fronty
05-10-2010, 08:43 PM
5.0 ftw :)

yep

hatedonmostly
05-10-2010, 08:46 PM
lol even the regular vettes are more than the shelby.. you can get a shelby 500 off the lot for around 60k.. and they will smoke the regular and stay close with the z06

Dude, are you ******* kidding me?

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:46 PM
Haha, but when I pointed out the GT500 costs a ton more than an SS you said that's an excuse;) I even said in advance this is what you'd say!

With no Ford GT, Ford has nothing.

You're comparing Chevy's 2nd most impressive vehicle to a Mustang, bro. With another $10k, you could have two GT 500's. Think about how unfair the comparison really is.

If you want to go all out, compare the Ford GT and the Corvette Zr1.

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:46 PM
5.0 ftw :)

No, the GT500 has no 5.0 (5.4 supercharged). I already pointed out the SS is faster than the regular GT (C&D, same drivers same day- doesn't get more comparable).

So......LS3 for the win as the kids say.

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:48 PM
Ooh, and let's talk about how ******* ugly the Corvette "concept" is. Nasty...

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:49 PM
No, the GT500 has no 5.0 (5.4 supercharged). I already pointed out the SS is faster than the regular GT (C&D, same drivers same day- doesn't get more comparable).

So......LS3 for the win as the kids say.

Who cares? Ford > Chevy. Think about it. Which company **** near went out of business recently? Which company WOULD be out oob right now if not for the government stepping in?

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:49 PM
You're comparing Chevy's 2nd most impressive vehicle to a Mustang, bro. With another $10k, you could have two GT 500's. Think about how unfair the comparison really is.

If you want to go all out, compare the Ford GT and the Corvette Zr1.

You are missing my whole point. I said the GT500 that this is about costs way more than the SS. You said that was an excuse. Now you are making excuses just like that (just as I said you would), that was what I was winking about.

The ZR1 beats the GT for less money, and last I checked you couldn't still get a GT anyways.

KyleBechtold
05-10-2010, 08:49 PM
What? I don't think you know what you're talking about. A Vette starts at 49K and can be bought for less..... The sticker on the Shelby starts around 45 actually, but are usually marked up near the 60 you mention.

As to smoking a corvette, and keeping up with a Z06......you've got to be kidding me. No offense, but I probably am in the wrong place talking w/ the wrong dudes to be surprised by this kind of talk. Just google this stuff.

k the z06 is 75k.. the gt500 is 45k.. the vette is 48k.. so for 30k that gt500 would walk all over the z06.. hell probably with half that.. for 3k it would probably stomp the vette.. idk the specs all that well on the new vettes.. the z06 didn't even STOMP the gt500 when it came out.. it beat it and the viper but not by a huge margin..

hatedonmostly
05-10-2010, 08:50 PM
Correct, that ford cost way more than the Chevy. Try a comparably priced Chevy....like a vette.
This, also,

Also, C&D just ran the 11 GT vs the SS, identical 0-60 and the SS was faster in the 1/4 (both time and trap speed).
Exactly. Who cares about the top speed of a car anyway? 0-60 and 1/4 mile is all that matters, on the street.


The Z06 is a $75k vehicle. By all means, it should smoke a GT 500...


Ok, than the Z06 wastes the GT500, and the ZR1 isn't a comparison. I don't want to hear an excuse about the 'stang being cheaper;)
:p:

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:50 PM
Who cares? Ford > Chevy. Think about it. Which company **** near went out of business recently? Which company WOULD be out oob right now if not for the government stepping in?

What? This is relevant.

I knew I was wasting my breath talking these types of cars here.

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:52 PM
k the z06 is 75k.. the gt500 is 45k.. the vette is 48k.. so for 30k that gt500 would walk all over the z06.. hell probably with half that.. for 3k it would probably stomp the vette.. idk the specs all that well on the new vettes.. the z06 didn't even STOMP the gt500 when it came out.. it beat it and the viper but not by a huge margin..

For 8K I could build a 5.0 based fox body that walks all over any of these in the 1/4, that isn't the point.

Point is dollar for dollar GM still makes the best performance vehicles stock.

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:52 PM
This, also,

Exactly. Who cares about the top speed of a car anyway? 0-60 and 1/4 mile is all that matters, on the street.




:p:

Thanks for catching this.

hatedonmostly
05-10-2010, 08:53 PM
k the z06 is 75k.. the gt500 is 45k.. the vette is 48k.. so for 30k that gt500 would walk all over the z06.. hell probably with half that.. for 3k it would probably stomp the vette.. idk the specs all that well on the new vettes.. the z06 didn't even STOMP the gt500 when it came out.. it beat it and the viper but not by a huge margin..

This says it all.

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:53 PM
You are missing my whole point. I said the GT500 that this is about costs way more than the SS. You said that was an excuse. Now you are making excuses just like that (just as I said you would), that was what I was winking about.

The ZR1 beats the GT for less money, and last I checked you couldn't still get a GT anyways.

I was joking. But at least the Shelby and Camaro SS are somewhat comparable.

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:55 PM
The ZR1 beats the GT for less money, and last I checked you couldn't still get a GT anyways.

pure conjecture :fyi:

DerekSmith07
05-10-2010, 08:56 PM
2009 Z06 ALL STOCK -Vs- 2009 GT500 with K&N intake,magnaflow cat back, and a tune

Race 1
YouTube - Corvette Z06 vs Shelby GT500 Race 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0I5esQmbPU&feature=related)
Winner: Vette

Race 2
YouTube - Corvette Z06 vs Shelby GT500 Race 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08WFGcPTHNc&feature=related)
Winner: Vette

Race 3
YouTube - Corvette Z06 vs Shelby GT500 Race 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0dmFEBhfh4&feature=related)
Winner: Vette

I am ready for more excuses.

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 08:57 PM
I was joking. But at least the Shelby and Camaro SS are somewhat comparable.

True, which is quite a compliment to the SS.

The new 11 5.0 GT is right up there now too. All 3 are bad *** cars and anyone would be happy to drive any.

misfit138
05-10-2010, 08:59 PM
The concept Vette is **** ugly, though. :fyi: If that thing becomes a production model, it'll be a shame...

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 09:00 PM
pure conjecture :fyi:

I don't think so. The ZR1 has lower 1/4 times out there, better ring time (N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times)) and is generally thought to be the greatest bang for the buck sports car ever. I don't think I'm taking a leap to state it beats the GT. (doesn't mean I'd necessarily even rather have the ZR1, as I LOOOVE the GT)

The lack of availability of the GT new at the dealer is not conjecture for sure ;)

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 09:01 PM
The concept Vette is **** ugly, though. :fyi: If that thing becomes a production model, it'll be a shame...

That is not the next vette.

misfit138
05-10-2010, 09:01 PM
True, which is quite a compliment to the SS.

The new 11 5.0 GT is right up there now too. All 3 are bad *** cars and anyone would be happy to drive any.

As far as looks are concerned, I'd rather have the GT 500 or an SRT8 Challenger. But that's just personal preference. I don't care for the futuristic look Chevy is going for with the Camaro and new vette concept. It's just not my style...

05fronty
05-10-2010, 09:01 PM
True, which is quite a compliment to the SS.

The new 11 5.0 GT is right up there now too. All 3 are bad *** cars and anyone would be happy to drive any.

i want to get a new 5.0. I might have to wait untill they are out a year or so. i'm sure dealerships will have them marked up over sticker.

misfit138
05-10-2010, 09:02 PM
That is not the next vette.

Good, because it's horrible. But I thought it was a concept for the 2012 or 2013 production model.

hatedonmostly
05-10-2010, 09:03 PM
I was joking. But at least the Shelby and Camaro SS are somewhat comparable.

The starting price on the Shelby is $48,645, on the Corvette is $48,930, and on the Camaro is $30,945.

I'll take a Corvette.

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 09:04 PM
i want to get a new 5.0. I might have to wait untill they are out a year or so. i'm sure dealerships will have them marked up over sticker.

Yeah, I'm guessing that's true.

Could buy a discounted 2010, and throw on a whipple (or similar). I drove one 2 weeks ago......it was vette fast!

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 09:05 PM
The starting price on the Shelby is $48,645, on the Corvette is $48,930, and on the Camaro is $30,945.

I'll take a Corvette.

I thought he meant the SS/GT500 were close in performance, not price. They are close in performance, not at all in price haha.

rosshimself13
05-10-2010, 09:10 PM
wow thats an AWESOME enclosure design, and construction thread...

i stay on this side of the forum for a reason this belongs somewhere else... hmm (http://www.caraudio.com/forum/thunderdome/)

misfit138
05-10-2010, 09:11 PM
I thought he meant the SS/GT500 were close in performance, not price. They are close in performance, not at all in price haha.

I was speaking of performance.

And by the way, you guys keep quoting the base price of the SS. The SS is $40k+ with options. :fyi:

RLJ676
05-10-2010, 09:14 PM
I was speaking of performance.

And by the way, you guys keep quoting the base price of the SS. The SS is $40k+ with options. :fyi:

I'm well aware of the options adding up, but that's the case on all the cars being discussed. The only car that those options add performance is the Mustang GT. The base price gets you the performance we're discussing.

05fronty
05-10-2010, 09:16 PM
Ford : Mustang : eBay Motors (item 150440715144 end time May-26-10 10:29:37 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2011-FORD-Mustang-GT-5-0-/150440715144?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2306f72388)
hmm wish it was a standard.

misfit138
05-10-2010, 09:23 PM
I'm well aware of the options adding up, but that's the case on all the cars being discussed. The only car that those options add performance is the Mustang GT. The base price gets you the performance we're discussing.

Dude, the Shelby GT 500 is a specialty vehicle, that's why it's so expensive. We're arguing about a specialty vehicle vs. a stock Chevrolet that can be purchased at any dealer. That's why there's such a big price swing between the two vehicles. The entire argument is front loaded.

blackman
05-10-2010, 09:24 PM
I have a gt500KR......stickered for $82,000

05fronty
05-10-2010, 10:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHqbqGCCMc&feature=related

Maxipads
05-10-2010, 10:11 PM
Well i think a F430 can beat a shelby and the Z06 can beat a F430 on the track by a second.. that impressive in my eyes seeing as f430 are a ridiculous sum of money....

Johnny Law.Lulz
05-10-2010, 11:42 PM
I think Ford wins period. They were the first US automaker, they didnt take bail out money, they have pretty much the longest running sports car model ( the corvette has been around longer but wasnt a performance vehcile until around the same time, the camaro was discontinued for a bit ), They have pioneered something that every auto maker now uses.

I wonder how the new taurus would do against a camaro.

hatedonmostly
05-11-2010, 01:14 AM
Dude, the Shelby GT 500 is a specialty vehicle, that's why it's so expensive. We're arguing about a specialty vehicle vs. a stock Chevrolet that can be purchased at any dealer. That's why there's such a big price swing between the two vehicles. The entire argument is front loaded.

So Ford has to make a specialty vehicle to keep up with Chevrolet? Then Ford > Chevy how?


I think Ford wins period. They were the first US automaker, they didnt take bail out money, they have pretty much the longest running sports car model ( the corvette has been around longer but wasnt a performance vehcile until around the same time, the camaro was discontinued for a bit ), They have pioneered something that every auto maker now uses.

I wonder how the new taurus would do against a camaro.

Nothing above had anything to do with the Camaro SS vs. Shelby Mustang argument.

misfit138
05-11-2010, 01:36 AM
So Ford has to make a specialty vehicle to keep up with Chevrolet? Then Ford > Chevy how?

What makes you think they're trying to keep up with Chevrolet, bro? Do you honestly believe that Ford isn't capable of building a "fast" car? Really? It's obvious that Ford's marketing strategy isn't based on high performance vehicles, but the GT alone proves they're capable of building high end vehicles when they want to.

Besides, Shelby isn't Ford. It's a stand alone company that does specialty work on a certain Ford vehicle. It's the same principal as a Lingenfelter Vette or Camaro. :fyi:

misfit138
05-11-2010, 01:44 AM
I just found this info too.

In the same Popular Mechanics issue, they hit the 1/4 mile strip in a v6 & v8 2011 Mustang.
V6 model = 13.91 seconds @ 102.05 mph
V8 model = 13.03 seconds @ 109.91 mph

That's not too shabby for stock Mustangs imho...

hatedonmostly
05-11-2010, 01:49 AM
What makes you think they're trying to keep up with Chevrolet, bro? Do you honestly believe that Ford isn't capable of building a "fast" car? Really? It's obvious that Ford's marketing strategy isn't based on high performance vehicles, but the GT alone proves they're capable of building high end vehicles when they want to.

Besides, Shelby isn't Ford. It's a stand alone company that does specialty work on a certain Ford vehicle. It's the same principal as a Lingenfelter Vette or Camaro. :fyi:

Where there is one company with a vehicle, there is another company trying to compete with it...

SilverSquared
05-11-2010, 02:03 AM
Why are we comparing a Shelby to a plain GM Car?


Step up, compare the shelby to ANY Lingenfelter model.


All you oval fanboys are oblivious to the fact that you "THINK" you got the best/fastest ride out there. Sure, out the box your toy might have won once or twice. Drop a cam, full intake, full exhaust, and fuel system, on both the GM and Ford... the oval will topple and fall on its face. I've done it, I've seen it, I've built it, I've raced it, I've lost it, and I've bet on it.

Whats sad...that vid with the stang and camaro....I wouldnt let that waste drive my camaro, he's got the reaction time of a drunk out the pub at 7 am. He's garbage.

And BTW...The camaro is 20x sexier.

misfit138
05-11-2010, 02:13 AM
And BTW...The camaro is 20x sexier.

I disagree.

RLJ676
05-11-2010, 03:49 PM
What makes you think they're trying to keep up with Chevrolet, bro? Do you honestly believe that Ford isn't capable of building a "fast" car? Really? It's obvious that Ford's marketing strategy isn't based on high performance vehicles, but the GT alone proves they're capable of building high end vehicles when they want to.

Besides, Shelby isn't Ford. It's a stand alone company that does specialty work on a certain Ford vehicle. It's the same principal as a Lingenfelter Vette or Camaro. :fyi:

Ford definitely is trying to keep up with GM. That is why the 2011 Mustang is so much better than the 2010. Without the Camaro to push them it'd be as bad as it has been the past how many years.

Also, the GT500 is regular Ford. It rolls off the AAI line in Flat Rock, MI with all the other Mustangs. That is nothing at all like a Lingenfelter, it's just Ford using Shelby's name. The GT500 is on Ford's site, sold at any Ford dealer, etc just like the rest of the Mustangs. The Z28 will be a direct competitor to it, not the SS. A Lingenfelter is done by Lingenfelter at their shop, not on GM's site at all, and completely done aftermarket.

Funny how nearly all of the Ford fanboy talk in here is completely false.

misfit138
05-11-2010, 03:55 PM
Also, the GT500 is regular Ford. It rolls off the AAI line in Flat Rock, MI with all the other Mustangs.

I didn't know this.

hatedonmostly
05-11-2010, 03:57 PM
Funny how nearly all of the Ford fanboy talk in here is completely false.

Brah, they know it all, brah. :fyi:

sarcasm

RLJ676
05-11-2010, 04:30 PM
I didn't know this.

Yep, it's pretty cool seeing them built on the same line as V6 stangs and Mazda 6's actually. The "Shelby GT's" which were just tarted up regular GT's made a few years back were actually done in Vegas by Shelby's company. They were hardly more than an (overpriced) appearance package though unlike the GT500.

RLJ676
05-11-2010, 04:30 PM
Brah, they know it all, brah. :fyi:

sarcasm

I'm learning so much here haha.

hatedonmostly
05-11-2010, 04:32 PM
I'm learning so much here haha.

Forgot to put brah in your post brah.

misfit138
05-11-2010, 04:32 PM
I still think Chevy could learn a thing or two from Ford, a company that hasn't recently been in danger of going out of business...

RLJ676
05-11-2010, 05:17 PM
I still think Chevy could learn a thing or two from Ford, a company that hasn't recently been in danger of going out of business...

Actually, Ford was in a very large danger of going out of business (hence why they mortgaged everything when they did). They're still not out of the woods.

Let's not get into this though, this box/enclosure thread is clearly about the GT500 and SS performance!

Maxipads
05-11-2010, 05:26 PM
Are the Roush Mustangs pretty much just a sexier looking mustangs?

CRXBMPN
05-11-2010, 05:32 PM
well my father has a roush stage 2 01 gt convertible, and it has nothing under the hood for power adders, just a beefed up suspension etc, if he would have gotten a stage 3 then there is the supercharger etc...

and honestly... for a few hp, mph, few 1/10th on the strip, bla bla bla, is it really worth it to argue this? Its like arguing if the dc level 5 12 is better than a dd 9912, you get the argument either way and if they are within a tolerable margin of output then everyone says 'eh get whatever you can afford'... so why not just get what you want?

I do however like my fathers 65 fastback with the built 351 cleveland ( believe it is) ~ 525hp ... when it stays together :laugh:

good read, bla bla bla, totally on topic... not!

layedouton20s
06-05-2010, 05:27 AM
alls i can say is all engine.