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whitedragon551
03-23-2010, 09:21 AM
Heres my box. Its for a pair of Image Dynamics ID8D2V3's. Its 1.69cubes tuned at 32Hz. Black port, black carpet, 45's in the corners, gold plated terminal cup.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0287.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0289.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0288.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0290.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0291.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0292.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0293.jpg

Chris Z
03-23-2010, 09:17 PM
Lookin good. Vitveet always does a fine job. :)

whitedragon551
03-23-2010, 10:23 PM
Thanks. In the second to last pic the back left corner looks messed up. May just be the camera angle.

Jh8909
03-23-2010, 10:27 PM
na your right it does look at little puffed up. but I see seammmmmmmmmmm

Plottin4success
03-24-2010, 03:10 AM
Vitveet builds nice boxes. Yeah, you can see the seams in the pictures, but in person the look flawless. My box came out great!

Nice box.

Highs on bass
03-24-2010, 03:12 AM
I use those same terminals. they are great, easy to install, just get the biggest hole punch in the set from like walmart, drill the hole out and Bam fits perfect everytime.

slim2fattycake
03-24-2010, 03:27 AM
Looks good but port ratio seems a bit small.

whitedragon551
03-24-2010, 08:56 AM
Its for a pair of SQ based 8" subs. It doesnt need alot of port. They only require I think .6cubes a piece tuned at 32Hz for a single 1.

slim2fattycake
03-24-2010, 09:35 AM
I was talking about the ratio of width to height, not the size of the port area. It may not matter. But what is the width and height of the port?

whitedragon551
03-24-2010, 09:40 AM
Its 1.25" and 17.5 sq inches of port. Thats pretty close to 1.25" wide x 14" tall.

James Bang
03-24-2010, 10:56 AM
seams like a good job...

Supergumby5000
03-24-2010, 11:14 AM
seams like a good job...

pun intended?

James Bang
03-24-2010, 12:34 PM
pun intended?

Seams so.

whitedragon551
03-24-2010, 02:25 PM
If you look at the wood without the carpet it looks like there is a imperfection thats coming out in the carpet not actually a seam. Maybe Im crazy, but it should be here tomorrow.

DonH
03-24-2010, 06:16 PM
seriously i dont wana sound like a **** head but it looks like a 12 year old cut out the baffle's..... and yeah that corner is not lined up its not the camera angle.... not bashing his work just saying i hope it was sanded before the top was put on.....

whitedragon551
03-24-2010, 06:20 PM
I emailed him about the corner and the seam in the middle of the cutouts. He said that the carpet was seamed on the bottom of the box so its definately not a seam and I also asked about the corner and he said it came out fine and he has no clue why it showed up like that in the pic.

DonH
03-24-2010, 06:27 PM
its all good im sure, if there was the slightest gap which it looks like to my eye from building 75+boxes, a simple body filler will do the trick but yeah lol...

James Bang
03-24-2010, 07:03 PM
I emailed him about the corner and the seam in the middle of the cutouts. He said that the carpet was seamed on the bottom of the box so its definately not a seam and I also asked about the corner and he said it came out fine and he has no clue why it showed up like that in the pic.

By bottom, i think he means both sides.

he gift wrapped the box in carpet, lol

Qxxx4
03-25-2010, 08:40 PM
Ya thats a pretty shity lookin box there man

whitedragon551
03-25-2010, 08:42 PM
Says the scammer.

Vitveet said the corners not F'ed up and the seams are on the bottom. Ill post pics when I get it tomorrow.

Chris Z
03-25-2010, 08:49 PM
Seams so.

You shoulda said "Seams sew." :P

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 04:41 PM
Alright **** talking can stop. I got the box today and its definately the pics. I can take some of it later when I have a minute. The seam is at the bottom and the box looks great.

James Bang
03-26-2010, 05:39 PM
lol

mobeious
03-26-2010, 05:44 PM
ehhh i wont say anything

James Bang
03-26-2010, 05:46 PM
ehhh i wont say anything

about the different sized screws on the terminal cup?

twistedchild420
03-26-2010, 05:46 PM
Vitveet always did wonders on the enclosures i have bought from him....great prices also!

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 05:47 PM
about the different sized screws on the terminal cup?

I was laughing about that too, but its not a big deal at all.

RAM_Designs
03-26-2010, 06:01 PM
Port is hella skinny.

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 06:08 PM
The subs only require .6 cubes a piece. The port is 1.25"x14".

RAM_Designs
03-26-2010, 06:17 PM
The subs only require .6 cubes a piece. The port is 1.25"x14".

That's a 1:11 ratio. Port noise might be a problem with a port that skinny. Common knowledge is that 1:8 or 1:9 is the skinniest you should go. I normally do 1:5 or 1:6 at the most, just to be safe.

James Bang
03-26-2010, 06:22 PM
router
rabbet
roundover
jasper circle jig


I hope he sanded the paint off the top piece where it meets the other panels before gluing it on the rest of the box.

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 06:48 PM
router
rabbet
roundover
jasper circle jig


I hope he sanded the paint off the top piece where it meets the other panels before gluing it on the rest of the box.

What top piece? The cutouts are fine. The subs cover them anyways.

James Bang
03-26-2010, 06:57 PM
pic below. You can see the top piece in the background painted where the ports would be.


http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0289.jpg

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 06:58 PM
Ah. I hope so. If the box doesnt work out Im sure Ill find out within the first week or so.

mobeious
03-26-2010, 08:01 PM
curious on price of this box?

DonH
03-26-2010, 08:02 PM
curious on price of this box?
x2

you and i both build enclosures 10x better........

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 08:05 PM
$100 shipped.

DonH
03-26-2010, 08:25 PM
from where? seems reasonably cheap

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 08:26 PM
NC to MI. It was also 2 day shipping.

You guys have me worried this is going to sound like **** and if it doesnt it will fall apart. Then Im out $100 and without a box.

DonH
03-26-2010, 08:29 PM
what we are trying to say is there are areas in which do not seem to be level. im hoping that the price is not relevant to the quality.......


edit:

i did not want to open my mouth about it as i didnt wana **** vitveet off

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 08:38 PM
I agree. If I feel around the corners I can feel miscuts and edges that arent flush, but on the inside everything is caulked off evenly. The carpet covers the imperfections in the wood. Im afraid the corner that James Bang pointed out may be fvcked up and Im scared of port noise issues now.

DonH
03-26-2010, 08:42 PM
I agree. If I feel around the corners I can feel miscuts and edges that arent flush, but on the inside everything is caulked off evenly. The carpet covers the imperfections in the wood. Im afraid the corner that James Bang pointed out may be fvcked up and Im scared of port noise issues now.

like i said. lmk if shits mega messed up...... lol ive got sum time to build u a quality box pm me if you need anything. wont be 100 shipped thats for sure thou but wont break the bank. try it out c if the box sounds fine. make sure ur not leaking air from those baffle cutouts either bro

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 08:44 PM
**** anything at this point will break the bank. A pair of ID8D2V3's and a box was all I could talk my wife into. The cutouts shouldnt be an issue. The subs have never been mounted so the gaskets on the back of the baskets will seal up nicely. He had the sub specs so I assume the cutouts are 7.25" like specs called for. I guess I should get out a tape measure and start checking ****.

power-fanatic07
03-26-2010, 08:45 PM
:popcorn:

Qxxx4
03-26-2010, 08:57 PM
Thats absolutely brutal if those edges werent sanded flush to make a good seal, wood glu is strong when bonding wood together, not for filling gaps....

Id prolly puke

slim2fattycake
03-26-2010, 09:30 PM
See, I am not the only one that thought the port ratio was extremely low. I'd rather have a good box and be out twice what you paid then get a ****** box and have to pay for another. I don't know the builder's rep but that's not good quality from the pictures.

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 09:31 PM
He actually has great rep and thats why I went to him. I looked at a ton of his build logs and they all looked good.

slim2fattycake
03-26-2010, 09:32 PM
Do you have the box yet?

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 09:33 PM
Yea got it today. I went to snap a few pics and the batteries are dead.

slim2fattycake
03-26-2010, 09:41 PM
What do you think about it? I have done three carpet boxes, I usually paint, and seams are kinda hard to get invisible unless you do the recessed trick. It makes carpeting easy as ****.

whitedragon551
03-26-2010, 09:43 PM
The seam is on the bottom like Vitveet said so its not an issue. My issues are the lack of sanding which may or may not hurt, the painted port piece which may or may not stick, and the port ratio. All which require me to mount the subs up and wire and tune and test some more to figure out if the box is what I need.

James Bang
03-26-2010, 11:32 PM
What do you think about it? I have done three carpet boxes, I usually paint, and seams are kinda hard to get invisible unless you do the recessed trick. It makes carpeting easy as ****.

Even with the rabbet technique, there will still be ONE seam to find. The overlap and cut way leaves a shitload of seams to find, like on this box's sides, I see tons.

At least the price was low, especially shipped.

James Bang
03-26-2010, 11:33 PM
edit:

i did not want to open my mouth about it as i didnt wana **** vitveet off

If he can't handle criticism or use it to improve, then that's his bad.

power-fanatic07
04-01-2010, 12:22 PM
Updates ?

whitedragon551
04-01-2010, 04:26 PM
I have to get pics of the subs in the box, but it sounds great, it looks awesome in the trunk. Its just as loud in output as my DC Level 4 15" and has better SQ. Absolutely no port noise what so ever.

CranberryYumYum
04-01-2010, 05:23 PM
vivteet's boxes are always well-built from what i have seen

lostdaytomorrow
04-01-2010, 05:50 PM
Vitveet made two of mine, both were just as I asked for.

RAM_Designs
04-01-2010, 06:01 PM
I have to get pics of the subs in the box, but it sounds great, it looks awesome in the trunk. Its just as loud in output as my DC Level 4 15" and has better SQ. Absolutely no port noise what so ever.

You must not have been giving the DC enough power, because it has double the cone area as those ID8's.

vitveet
04-12-2010, 01:23 AM
Ah, another happy customer!!! What can I say!!!?!?!?
"Seams" as if there's ALWAYS someone to say something negative! Constructive criticism is great but some of you aren't giving that at all, lol! "Seams" as if a few peeps here are trying to get more business for themselves!! Anyhow, I won't entertain them any longer....I've got to get up in 5 hours to work on more enclosures....got 6 in line to complete in the next few days!
Also, lol at the guys who "try" to be all technical and won't go off of real world results (which DEF matter the most)! And, lol at the guys who've only built "a few" or "75" enclosures...I'm probably around 750 (and probably underestimating that honestly)! 99.5% satisfaction rate ain't bad either....!
Oh, maybe I should get a better camera so the "seams" won't be an eyesore on the internet (b/c they def aren't in person) and so my camera doesn't make it "seam" like the edges are rough/uneven/etc!!!
Thanks for all the positive comments (and neg. ones)! Thanks for previous customers chiming in also! You all always get "repeat customer discounts"!!!
Oh yeah, sorry I'm late to your thread Whitedragon551! Hope you're enjoying it!
And no, I'll never me "mad" at anyone talking over an internet forum! That's childish!!!
Thanks!
vitveet@hotmail.com

V.

basscort2009
04-12-2010, 01:28 AM
not gonna lie viveet, ur boxs dont look the best but neither do mine because i build for performance as u said u do. so it can look "decent" and sound amazing and i would be happy rather than seamless screwless piece of crap that looks awesome!!!! lol good job v

michaellane
04-12-2010, 01:45 AM
not gonna lie viveet, ur boxs dont look the best but neither do mine because i build for performance as u said u do. so it can look "decent" and sound amazing and i would be happy rather than seamless screwless piece of crap that looks awesome!!!! lol good job v

vitas has always been good to me and answered any and all questions ive ever had audio or box related. the box he made for my 4 tens was very nice out of birch and sounded GREAT!

supermaxx123
04-12-2010, 01:57 AM
lots of room for those 8's. I ran mine in a .7cu/ft tuned to 37hz and it sounded real good, had 12.5"^2 of port.

RAM_Designs
04-12-2010, 02:01 AM
Ah, another happy customer!!! What can I say!!!?!?!?
"Seams" as if there's ALWAYS someone to say something negative! Constructive criticism is great but some of you aren't giving that at all, lol! "Seams" as if a few peeps here are trying to get more business for themselves!! Anyhow, I won't entertain them any longer....I've got to get up in 5 hours to work on more enclosures....got 6 in line to complete in the next few days!
Also, lol at the guys who "try" to be all technical and won't go off of real world results (which DEF matter the most)! And, lol at the guys who've only built "a few" or "75" enclosures...I'm probably around 750 (and probably underestimating that honestly)! 99.5% satisfaction rate ain't bad either....!
Oh, maybe I should get a better camera so the "seams" won't be an eyesore on the internet (b/c they def aren't in person) and so my camera doesn't make it "seam" like the edges are rough/uneven/etc!!!
Thanks for all the positive comments (and neg. ones)! Thanks for previous customers chiming in also! You all always get "repeat customer discounts"!!!
Oh yeah, sorry I'm late to your thread Whitedragon551! Hope you're enjoying it!
And no, I'll never me "mad" at anyone talking over an internet forum! That's childish!!!
Thanks!
vitveet@hotmail.com

V.

Man, you're trying really hard, aren't you?

Moral of the story: if you don't want your work to be picked at, then don't give people things to pick at...and certainly don't seem surprised and come off butt-hurt when they do point out obvious things. Your response is very childish and insanely defensive.

DonH
04-12-2010, 02:13 AM
Ah, another happy customer!!! What can I say!!!?!?!?
"Seams" as if there's ALWAYS someone to say something negative! Constructive criticism is great but some of you aren't giving that at all, lol! "Seams" as if a few peeps here are trying to get more business for themselves!! Anyhow, I won't entertain them any longer....I've got to get up in 5 hours to work on more enclosures....got 6 in line to complete in the next few days!
Also, lol at the guys who "try" to be all technical and won't go off of real world results (which DEF matter the most)! And, lol at the guys who've only built "a few" or "75" enclosures...I'm probably around 750 (and probably underestimating that honestly)! 99.5% satisfaction rate ain't bad either....!
Oh, maybe I should get a better camera so the "seams" won't be an eyesore on the internet (b/c they def aren't in person) and so my camera doesn't make it "seam" like the edges are rough/uneven/etc!!!
Thanks for all the positive comments (and neg. ones)! Thanks for previous customers chiming in also! You all always get "repeat customer discounts"!!!
Oh yeah, sorry I'm late to your thread Whitedragon551! Hope you're enjoying it!
And no, I'll never me "mad" at anyone talking over an internet forum! That's childish!!!
Thanks!
vitveet@hotmail.com

V.

was just saying for me the craftmanship aspect is lower than my standard. MY standard is different then yours obviously. But none the less great price i guess.

vitveet
04-12-2010, 08:11 AM
Man, you're trying really hard, aren't you?

Moral of the story: if you don't want your work to be picked at, then don't give people things to pick at...and certainly don't seem surprised and come off butt-hurt when they do point out obvious things. Your response is very childish and insanely defensive.

Trying really hard for what? You see a few pics and start assuming things I guess. I have atleast 5k pics if you want to see "better"; but I have nothing to prove to you and def. not "butt hurt" lol! Say what you want, think what you want, I'm fine my man! The moral is happy customers. You can pick out something negative on everyone's build if you're just that kind of person. But thanks for your reply also!



was just saying for me the craftmanship aspect is lower than my standard. MY standard is different then yours obviously. But none the less great price i guess.

No hard feelings bro. Thanks for your comments/concerns also. You have good craftmanship.

whitedragon551
04-12-2010, 08:30 AM
Function > Looks

psych0ticnemes1
04-12-2010, 08:40 AM
Function > Looks

I guess if you're happy getting half of the package, that is all that matters. However most customers expect performance and appearance so I can see where the criticism is coming from. Carpet should be used to enhance the appearance, not cover up defects.

Anywho, as already stated if you're happy then that is what counts.

whitedragon551
04-12-2010, 08:41 AM
Like I told you all before Vitveet stepped in. Its just the pics. In person that stuff isnt there.

James Bang
04-13-2010, 04:30 PM
Ah, another happy customer!!! What can I say!!!?!?!?
"Seams" as if there's ALWAYS someone to say something negative! Constructive criticism is great but some of you aren't giving that at all, lol! "Seams" as if a few peeps here are trying to get more business for themselves!! Anyhow, I won't entertain them any longer....I've got to get up in 5 hours to work on more enclosures....got 6 in line to complete in the next few days!
Also, lol at the guys who "try" to be all technical and won't go off of real world results (which DEF matter the most)! And, lol at the guys who've only built "a few" or "75" enclosures...I'm probably around 750 (and probably underestimating that honestly)! 99.5% satisfaction rate ain't bad either....!
Oh, maybe I should get a better camera so the "seams" won't be an eyesore on the internet (b/c they def aren't in person) and so my camera doesn't make it "seam" like the edges are rough/uneven/etc!!!
Thanks for all the positive comments (and neg. ones)! Thanks for previous customers chiming in also! You all always get "repeat customer discounts"!!!
Oh yeah, sorry I'm late to your thread Whitedragon551! Hope you're enjoying it!
And no, I'll never me "mad" at anyone talking over an internet forum! That's childish!!!
Thanks!
vitveet@hotmail.com

V.

that's funny. I guess we're all just crazy and seeing things in those pics that aren't really there. oh well. I call it as I see it.


Man, you're trying really hard, aren't you?

Moral of the story: if you don't want your work to be picked at, then don't give people things to pick at...and certainly don't seem surprised and come off butt-hurt when they do point out obvious things. Your response is very childish and insanely defensive.

Defensive indeed. He's already pro. top-notch, no need for improvement.



Function > Looks

If i was the paying customer, i'd want both.


Like I told you all before Vitveet stepped in. Its just the pics. In person that stuff isnt there.

:crazy:

Enjoy your box.

whitedragon551
04-13-2010, 04:32 PM
I like it. It sounds great and it looks perfect. Ill get pics up later today or tomorrow.

James Bang
04-13-2010, 05:14 PM
Its humorous how vitveet is boasting about how many builds he got going and how many he's done. Having built all of those boxes, you'd think he'd reinvest in more tools to improve the quality of his humble work.

Vermithrax
04-13-2010, 07:01 PM
It's humorous how James Bang is still stuck in the teen-ish mentality of spewing his opinion whether or not it's necessary. Having aged several years, you'd think he'd invest more of his time and energy into improving his seemingly arrogant communication skills. I'm just calling it as I see it, though I don't claim to always see it right, but surely James can appreciate such a position.

As long as we're giving critiques on pictures of V's work, I thought they could have benefitted from some more creative angles, perhaps more interesting backdrops, and DOF an BOCA could definitely have been improved. As far as the actual box quality, I still don't have a pair of the magic 3D internet glasses that make it seem as though you're seeing it in person, so I can't comment.

Glad you're enjoying your new setup Whitedragon!

James Bang
04-13-2010, 07:19 PM
Humorous indeed to see the spewing of opinions on an internet forum. I don't think you need 3D glasses to see the seams on the sides, uneven cuts, and that he didn't sand off the black paint from the top of the box. Seeing that he started the gluing process w/ the painted top piece in the background (pic below) is proof of the noobness people are paying hard earned money for. For the low cost he's charging, I guess they're getting what they pay for.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/whitedragon5515/Box%20for%20ID8D2V3/CIMG0289.jpg



I'm glad you enjoy my arrogant internet personality. I guess I can give criticisms more ... constructively, but oh well.

Picking apart work people pay for or just build logs in general seems to be a touchy subject. "good job", "looks good" does nothing for improvement. Many of the criticisms in this thread can be used for improvement, but if the builder is too good, ne plus ultra, then all you can do is sit back and laugh.

Ha ha.

^Like that.

RAM_Designs
04-13-2010, 09:20 PM
750 boxes and no circle jig...or even jig saw skills?

Vermithrax
04-13-2010, 09:22 PM
It's my opinion that you're overanalyzing and underthinking and criticizing for the sake of critcism more than improvement.

I'm pretty sure that the small amount of paint didn't even come close to affecting the porosity of the MDF to the point where the glue couldn't more than adequately absorb and create a strong enough bond.

If the pictures do represent uneven cuts they're slight enough to not create a problem in this case. It would be more critical if it were a sealed enclosure or an uber high powered setup.

The "wrapping paper" seams are the faster and less expensive method of covering and wouldn't be seen in the installation unless I'm mistaken. They can also look accentuated in a picture taken in the sunlight.

It was a budget build, $100 shipped, Whitedragon has previously expressed his satisfaction with the cosmetics and performance. If one is of the opinion that the work is not up to par vs. the price charged even though the customer is satisfied, then one shouldn't comment as to it being a good job. But how many who've offered opinions in this thread would be willing to go all out for $100 shipped? I wouldn't have, would you have James? Thank goodness for Whitedragon somebody did.

whitedragon551
04-13-2010, 09:25 PM
It was a budget build, $100 shipped, Whitedragon has previously expressed his satisfaction with the cosmetics and performance. If one is of the opinion that the work is not up to par vs. the price charged even though the customer is satisfied, then one shouldn't comment as to it being a good job. But how many who've offered opinions in this thread would be willing to go all out for $100 shipped? I wouldn't have, would you have James? Thank goodness for Whitedragon somebody did.

Not only would my wife have killed me if it cost me more, but I wouldnt be running Image Dynamics. Those *****es are expensive.

vitveet
04-13-2010, 11:11 PM
It's humorous how James Bang is still stuck in the teen-ish mentality of spewing his opinion whether or not it's necessary. Having aged several years, you'd think he'd invest more of his time and energy into improving his seemingly arrogant communication skills. I'm just calling it as I see it, though I don't claim to always see it right, but surely James can appreciate such a position.

As long as we're giving critiques on pictures of V's work, I thought they could have benefitted from some more creative angles, perhaps more interesting backdrops, and DOF an BOCA could definitely have been improved. As far as the actual box quality, I still don't have a pair of the magic 3D internet glasses that make it seem as though you're seeing it in person, so I can't comment.

Glad you're enjoying your new setup Whitedragon!

Thanks^^! Now there's a mature man speaking!


It's my opinion that you're overanalyzing and underthinking and criticizing for the sake of critcism more than improvement.

I'm pretty sure that the small amount of paint didn't even come close to affecting the porosity of the MDF to the point where the glue couldn't more than adequately absorb and create a strong enough bond.

If the pictures do represent uneven cuts they're slight enough to not create a problem in this case. It would be more critical if it were a sealed enclosure or an uber high powered setup.

The "wrapping paper" seams are the faster and less expensive method of covering and wouldn't be seen in the installation unless I'm mistaken. They can also look accentuated in a picture taken in the sunlight.

It was a budget build, $100 shipped, Whitedragon has previously expressed his satisfaction with the cosmetics and performance. If one is of the opinion that the work is not up to par vs. the price charged even though the customer is satisfied, then one shouldn't comment as to it being a good job. But how many who've offered opinions in this thread would be willing to go all out for $100 shipped? I wouldn't have, would you have James? Thank goodness for Whitedragon somebody did.

Thanks again!

Just funny how the OP/owner of the enclosure says everything is just fine cosmetically and functionality wise but a certain few still are "nagging" and picking! Funny how the only few who have nothing but negative things to say are advertising as box builders here on this site too....hmmmmm, trying to gain business for themselves???!? Run business away from me?!?! Seems like it, oh well! You guys do what you do. That's not my style of gaining business. I have PLENTY of happy customers, as seen in this thread and many more.
Oh yeah, one of the "box builders" in this thread has lost SEVERAL customers (3 to be exact as it stands right now) to me. Customers weren't satisfied with where their "hard earned money" went and soon after, were completely satisfied with doing business with me.... Won't give the name b/c I'm not a mean guy and don't attack people over the internet. I'll help, and in a positive way. A few of you should take a few pointers from Vermithrax!
Again, no hard feelings! Thanks!

V.

James Bang
04-14-2010, 01:58 AM
It's my opinion that you're overanalyzing and underthinking and criticizing for the sake of critcism more than improvement.

I'm pretty sure that the small amount of paint didn't even come close to affecting the porosity of the MDF to the point where the glue couldn't more than adequately absorb and create a strong enough bond.

If the pictures do represent uneven cuts they're slight enough to not create a problem in this case. It would be more critical if it were a sealed enclosure or an uber high powered setup.

The "wrapping paper" seams are the faster and less expensive method of covering and wouldn't be seen in the installation unless I'm mistaken. They can also look accentuated in a picture taken in the sunlight.

It was a budget build, $100 shipped, Whitedragon has previously expressed his satisfaction with the cosmetics and performance. If one is of the opinion that the work is not up to par vs. the price charged even though the customer is satisfied, then one shouldn't comment as to it being a good job. But how many who've offered opinions in this thread would be willing to go all out for $100 shipped? I wouldn't have, would you have James? Thank goodness for Whitedragon somebody did.
Good excuses.

Criticism is criticism, he can take it how he wishes.

If you think that amount of paint is "small" then you must be delusional. A nice layer of paint between wood is no bueno for bonding, no matter how thin the layer of paint is.

that gift wrap technique isn't that much faster than rabbeting. I'm not sure it's cheaper... cheaper looking, sure. Also, maybe i'm lucky, but the camera tends to hide imperfections.

Again, the price is just about the only thing I can praise. I definitely wouldn't waste my time for that price. However, I don't think the price justifies the sub-par work. I just think he doesn't know any better, though he acts like he's the king of box building and that others are just trying to steal potential customers. I know he's not talking about me, because my box building for customers have been over.

It's very easy to post box builds and get hit up from those that don't have the tools or skills to build themselves. If I did continue to post builds, I surely wouldn't want others to make excuses for me.


Thanks^^! Now there's a mature man speaking!



Thanks again!

Just funny how the OP/owner of the enclosure says everything is just fine cosmetically and functionality wise but a certain few still are "nagging" and picking! Funny how the only few who have nothing but negative things to say are advertising as box builders here on this site too....hmmmmm, trying to gain business for themselves???!? Run business away from me?!?! Seems like it, oh well! You guys do what you do. That's not my style of gaining business. I have PLENTY of happy customers, as seen in this thread and many more.
Oh yeah, one of the "box builders" in this thread has lost SEVERAL customers (3 to be exact as it stands right now) to me. Customers weren't satisfied with where their "hard earned money" went and soon after, were completely satisfied with doing business with me.... Won't give the name b/c I'm not a mean guy and don't attack people over the internet. I'll help, and in a positive way. A few of you should take a few pointers from Vermithrax!
Again, no hard feelings! Thanks!

V.

These types of reply might be the reason most people hold back from posting true opinions on building and just post "good job." If the pics show obvious seams, there are obvious seam. If they show you didn't sand off the paint before gluing, then you didn't, which you should know better. At least this time, the pics don't show splits galore like some of your other builds.

While we're here, I'd like to point something else out: why silicone/caulk between the top piece and the rest of the box? (as shown in my last post) That just decreases the surface area of the glue joints.

Overlook good info and build on.

slim2fattycake
04-14-2010, 02:35 AM
I do agree that the price is great but meh...

The caulk is on the very inside edge so when you add the thick bead of titebond to the middle and place pressure on the panel, the caulk will ooze outward and never inward and just seal the seams. The titebond will always ooze outward which covers more area because it was in the center. At least that's how I do it. I do this on boxes where I cannot reach in the port, like mazes. Never had a box fall apart.

Vermithrax
04-14-2010, 09:16 PM
Good excuses.

Criticism is criticism, he can take it how he wishes.

If you think that amount of paint is "small" then you must be delusional. A nice layer of paint between wood is no bueno for bonding, no matter how thin the layer of paint is.

that gift wrap technique isn't that much faster than rabbeting. I'm not sure it's cheaper... cheaper looking, sure. Also, maybe i'm lucky, but the camera tends to hide imperfections.

Again, the price is just about the only thing I can praise. I definitely wouldn't waste my time for that price. However, I don't think the price justifies the sub-par work. I just think he doesn't know any better, though he acts like he's the king of box building and that others are just trying to steal potential customers. I know he's not talking about me, because my box building for customers have been over.

It's very easy to post box builds and get hit up from those that don't have the tools or skills to build themselves. If I did continue to post builds, I surely wouldn't want others to make excuses for me.



These types of reply might be the reason most people hold back from posting true opinions on building and just post "good job." If the pics show obvious seams, there are obvious seam. If they show you didn't sand off the paint before gluing, then you didn't, which you should know better. At least this time, the pics don't show splits galore like some of your other builds.

While we're here, I'd like to point something else out: why silicone/caulk between the top piece and the rest of the box? (as shown in my last post) That just decreases the surface area of the glue joints.

Overlook good info and build on.

Thanks James for validating my first sentence. You're very much a predictable type. Your responses were pretty much exactly what I expected from you. V's a big boy, he can take care of himself. I made valid points, not excuses, but good try at a vain attempt to undermine them for the sake of trying to leverage your position. We can disagree and call it a day. No point in rebutting your statements when it'll just fall on deaf ears. Carry on with your brand of good info, good for whom is the remaining question. I'll be here basking in my delusion.

James Bang
04-14-2010, 10:10 PM
cool beans