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CarAudioNewbie9
03-15-2010, 05:02 PM
I installed a Planet Audio Line Driver today in my girls car. She is using a cheap Alpine with 2 volt preouts. It sounded as good as the 8 volt Eclipse I used to own.

schackel
03-15-2010, 05:06 PM
so are you uing the rca? or just the regular speaker out puts in the deck?

CarAudioNewbie9
03-15-2010, 05:08 PM
so are you uing the rca? or just the regular speaker out puts in the deck?

I don't get what you are asking...lol

plugitin
03-15-2010, 05:09 PM
the pre outs arnt that much of the matter...its the tuning ability of the hu itself. That alpine probably comes no where close to the eclipse in means of tuning

schackel
03-15-2010, 05:10 PM
are you using a separate amp for the speakers?

Savstyle
03-15-2010, 05:10 PM
the pre outs arnt that much of the matter...its the tuning ability of the hu itself. That alpine probably comes no where close to the eclipse in means of tuning

:word:

CarAudioNewbie9
03-15-2010, 05:11 PM
are you using a separate amp for the speakers?

Well considering the Eclipse I had didn't have built in amps......

ahole-ic
03-15-2010, 05:12 PM
I installed a Planet Audio Line Driver today in my girls car. She is using a cheap Alpine with 2 volt preouts. It sounded as good as the 8 volt Eclipse I used to own.

If you're talking about SQ, the sound reproduced cannot be better than the CD or whatever source it is playing from. The advantage of high end head units is they usually have more features such as anti skip etc. They have a more sophisticated crossover etc. Most importantly, they do not manipulate the source by themselves. You have to force it to with crossovers etc. The data coming in is the data coming out. This can't always be said for lower end units. Sometimes they prematurely clip even the preouts etc.
In your case, Alpine makes solid units. They might take out this or that feature on lower-end models, but they will keep the quality up high enough that it will not prematurely alter your signal to where you would notice it. All you did with that line driver is bring the voltage up to what it would have been on a higher end unit.

Edit: Could I have used "etc" ANY more? I submit that I could not.

schackel
03-15-2010, 05:13 PM
Well considering the Eclipse I had didn't have built in amps......

in your girl friends car........pretty sure that has nothing to do with an eclipse

CarAudioNewbie9
03-15-2010, 05:14 PM
the pre outs arnt that much of the matter...its the tuning ability of the hu itself. That alpine probably comes no where close to the eclipse in means of tuning

I understand the whole EQ stuff. But honestly, unless you are running hardcore SQ you prolly won't need the tuning ability that expensive decks have. I use the Kenwood 693 and I would consider my setup SQL.

CarAudioNewbie9
03-15-2010, 05:15 PM
in your girl friends car........pretty sure that has nothing to do with an eclipse

All I am saying is a line driver did wonders for her car. I was shocked to hear how good it sounded.

CarAudioNewbie9
03-15-2010, 05:22 PM
If you're talking about SQ, the sound reproduced cannot be better than the CD or whatever source it is playing from. The advantage of high end head units is they usually have more features such as anti skip etc. They have a more sophisticated crossover etc. Most importantly, they do not manipulate the source by themselves. You have to force it to with crossovers etc. The data coming in is the data coming out. This can't always be said for lower end units. Sometimes they prematurely clip even the preouts etc.
In your case, Alpine makes solid units. They might take out this or that feature on lower-end models, but they will keep the quality up high enough that it will not prematurely alter your signal to where you would notice it. All you did with that line driver is bring the voltage up to what it would have been on a higher end unit.

Edit: Could I have used "etc" ANY more? I submit that I could not.

I don't know many people that still use CDs for daily driving. Most use Ipods or USB devices. Many people use CDs for comp, but you aren't driving in a comp.

Johnny Law.Lulz
03-15-2010, 05:30 PM
Honestly, to me, if im putting all this money into my sub and front stages, why not have the most important thing in the system be highend as well. Hell Jacob from sundown uses a cheap Sony Xplod in his testing jeep that constantly puts up 150s+ with various woofers so it really doesnt matter too much. Obviously with more money come more features but to me i want the center of the operation to be just as high end as the rest of the system. Thats why i stick with Alpine.

CarAudioNewbie9
03-15-2010, 05:44 PM
Honestly, to me, if im putting all this money into my sub and front stages, why not have the most important thing in the system be highend as well. Hell Jacob from sundown uses a cheap Sony Xplod in his testing jeep that constantly puts up 150s+ with various woofers so it really doesnt matter too much. Obviously with more money come more features but to me i want the center of the operation to be just as high end as the rest of the system. Thats why i stick with Alpine.

Kenwood FTW

shattered_dream
03-15-2010, 06:47 PM
Honestly, to me, if im putting all this money into my sub and front stages, why not have the most important thing in the system be highend as well. Hell Jacob from sundown uses a cheap Sony Xplod in his testing jeep that constantly puts up 150s+ with various woofers so it really doesnt matter too much. Obviously with more money come more features but to me i want the center of the operation to be just as high end as the rest of the system. Thats why i stick with Alpine.

Sorry, but SPL doesnīt have anything to do with Sound QUALITY....
You can get loud with 30 Bucks Radio but it sounds like crap...

keep_hope_alive
03-15-2010, 08:42 PM
SQ is relative.

IMO - if you can place in the lanes at IASCA, MECA, and USACi, you can claim SQ.

If not, you can just say you're SQ goal-oriented. Just because you think it "sounds good" doesn't mean a SQ judge think the same thing.

But it's your system and your investment. do whatever makes YOU happy and don't worry what anyone else says. :)

keep_hope_alive
03-15-2010, 08:44 PM
that said, high end head units are necessary if you desire a competition level system. the head unit is the source that controls the nervous system. there is a audible difference between every head unit. pick one that you like the sound of, features of, looks of, etc., and build from there.

CarAudioNewbie9
03-15-2010, 09:01 PM
that said, high end head units are necessary if you desire a competition level system. the head unit is the source that controls the nervous system. there is a audible difference between every head unit. pick one that you like the sound of, features of, looks of, etc., and build from there.

Well said.

t1n0m3n
03-15-2010, 10:07 PM
Never mind... My DQXS asplode, which is why it is needing crazy gain.

shattered_dream
03-16-2010, 08:47 AM
SQ is relative.

IMO - if you can place in the lanes at IASCA, MECA, and USACi, you can claim SQ.

If not, you can just say you're SQ goal-oriented. Just because you think it "sounds good" doesn't mean a SQ judge think the same thing.

But it's your system and your investment. do whatever makes YOU happy and don't worry what anyone else says. :)

Here in germany I had a guest starting in the AYA last year....
AYA means "Are you authentic"
The problem is : every car sounds only as good as itīs HU, if the whole car is high end and HU is crap, the car will sound like crap, regardless if the system costs 1000 Dollar or 10000...
Another problem is that most recordings sound like S***t, try to get some recordings from a label named "Stockfisch" and then try a cheap HU and then a High End HU, you WILL hear it, I swear you...

Mookie
03-16-2010, 09:05 AM
I don't know many people that still use CDs for daily driving. Most use Ipods or USB devices. Many people use CDs for comp, but you aren't driving in a comp.

I still use CD's since I cannot stand I-Pods.

RAM_Designs
03-16-2010, 09:08 AM
I understand the whole EQ stuff. But honestly, unless you are running hardcore SQ you prolly won't need the tuning ability that expensive decks have. I use the Kenwood 693 and I would consider my setup SQL.
If you're wanting to run active, then you need the high end HU, unless you're using an external crossover...which will probably end up costing more money in the long run and not sound as clean as a nice HU. I don't think there's anything too "hardcore SQ" about the numerous people out there and on these sites(including myself) who run an active setup with their HU's. Lots of people do it because they enjoy the ability to customize their front stage to their liking.


the pre outs arnt that much of the matter...its the tuning ability of the hu itself. That alpine probably comes no where close to the eclipse in means of tuning
This, tuning capabilities are very important.


I don't know many people that still use CDs for daily driving. Most use Ipods or USB devices. Many people use CDs for comp, but you aren't driving in a comp.
All I use is CD's, mainly because my 8053 doesn't have a usb drive or an ipod hookup.

snoopdan
03-16-2010, 09:12 AM
I still use cd's too :fyi:

Buck
03-16-2010, 09:23 AM
Honestly, to me, if im putting all this money into my sub and front stages, why not have the most important thing in the system be highend as well. Hell Jacob from sundown uses a cheap Sony Xplod in his testing jeep that constantly puts up 150s+ with various woofers so it really doesnt matter too much. Obviously with more money come more features but to me i want the center of the operation to be just as high end as the rest of the system.Thats why i stick with Alpine.

This

c_b_
03-16-2010, 05:22 PM
I still use CD's since I cannot stand I-Pods.


I still use cd's too :fyi:

x3. much rather wammy an old cd out the window at a pedestrian then reload an mp3 player.

cleansoundzz
03-16-2010, 07:15 PM
that said, high end head units are necessary if you desire a competition level system. the head unit is the source that controls the nervous system. there is a audible difference between every head unit. pick one that you like the sound of, features of, looks of, etc., and build from there.

This statement hits the nail on the head.