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JarvisB
01-06-2010, 04:46 PM
Just thought I'd share.

First of all, many thanks to kbkid for his idea(he did this in his explorer a while back), and many thanks to HCCA as he helped me out in explaining everything I need to do. Seriously I asked him shitload of questions lol.

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My goal is to hide my amp and make it look neat. I like it simple and clean.
I really wish I could do the same with my sub and box but I love it so it's staying there.

It is not 100% done obviously. I expect to be done with it in a few days. I am waiting on the carpet, which is supposed to get here tomorrow.

This is sort of a mock up but the cutting is not complete as I need to cut out a vent hole. Also I have not installed hinges yet because I want to wait until my carpet arrives tomorrow so I can apply it to them and then get everything screwed up.

I think I am going to add a beauty trim to the hole and black metal mesh behind so it would look good.

Like I said this is just a mock up, I have a 4 channel amp which is not pictured(and it is for sale tho) and I am not 100% sure where to mount the fans yet. I got a few ideas, I just gotta decide which one would work best. More likely I will move the amp up close to the vent so it will get a better ventilation area. Keep in mind, my amp is ZX2500.1 and it gets pretty got as it is non fan-cooled amp even when my voltage mostly floats in mid 14s range.

Finally here's the pics (my bad with the babbling lol)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00012-20100106-1301.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00014-20100106-1354.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00015-20100106-1355.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00016-20100106-1400.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00017-20100106-1401.jpg

I only have like 1/4 to 1/2 inch of space between top of amp and bottom of the floor, I think that is sufficent space for airflow to pass through tho. It got a bit crowded as I used 5/8 board.

HCCA
01-06-2010, 07:24 PM
That's about all the space mine has. It should be fine. It's not the space ABOVE that matters as much as the airflow across the amp(s) that matters more. What amps are you looking at getting, since your Kicker is FS? As you can tell by my avatar, I like Orions! Though, I used BA in my current setup. And, they do work well. I thought I would try them, as the original Orions were dumped. I had the 2nd gen Orion HCCA's, but the NT's were better. Both are gone.

I think that if someone were to bring back the old Orion amps, and the old ADS speakers/subs, we would have some AWSOME SQ ***** on our hands!!!

P.S.- Have somewhere for the amp heated air to go. I did push/pull, so the air was drawn in, and then vented out.

BTW, don't wreck this one!

NeverEnuffBass
01-06-2010, 07:40 PM
Looks good. I did something similar in my buddy's Explorer a few yrs back.

t1990le
01-06-2010, 07:44 PM
looks good man i wish i had more room for sub in my truck :/ lol

JarvisB
01-06-2010, 08:15 PM
That's about all the space mine has. It should be fine. It's not the space ABOVE that matters as much as the airflow across the amp(s) that matters more. What amps are you looking at getting, since your Kicker is FS? As you can tell by my avatar, I like Orions! Though, I used BA in my current setup. And, they do work well. I thought I would try them, as the original Orions were dumped. I had the 2nd gen Orion HCCA's, but the NT's were better. Both are gone.

I think that if someone were to bring back the old Orion amps, and the old ADS speakers/subs, we would have some AWSOME SQ ***** on our hands!!!

P.S.- Have somewhere for the amp heated air to go. I did push/pull, so the air was drawn in, and then vented out.

BTW, don't wreck this one!
Well I figured that I wont be upgrading my rear fill as I rarely have more than one passenger so I figured that I should sell my 4ch and get a solid 2 channel.

I plan on blowing from both of fans from all the way back towards the vent.

But now I realize that it wont be having any fresh air coming in.. lol hmm I guess I got to think of something else maybe. Or it would be ok just to blow both fans towards the vent to keep the heat out.

rumproast789
01-06-2010, 08:22 PM
Hey could you explain what you did? I have been meaning to ask HCCA also, i have something similar to this, but I'm going to redo it just like that.

JarvisB
01-06-2010, 08:24 PM
lol I think he covered most of things in his own build log, search for his thread somewhere around here.

wone
01-06-2010, 08:34 PM
nice

rumproast789
01-06-2010, 09:16 PM
sounds good
what is your setup in there? I forgot

JarvisB
01-06-2010, 09:44 PM
zx2500.1, zx650.4, 15" cd omega, 3.5 cubes tuned @ 32hz

components and 650.4 arent installed yet but they r going in this spring when I have more time to do it.

My components are fusion 6.5 comps. forgot the model but i ll check later.

JarvisB
01-09-2010, 01:48 AM
Guys, I cant even decide on this one so hope some of your input would help my decision.

I got 2 fans and I am not sure which one would be ideal for cooling of my amps. keep my mind kicker zx series amps are non fancooled, but they work like an horse when hot tho. Just want to have the most efficient cooling possible to get the most out of my investment on the fans.

The picture was taken this morning before I made the vent cutout on the board up behind the rear seat.

From what it seems, I will have to only have the capability to blow the hot air out by using both of my fans but I am not sure where am I supposed to get some fresh air in. I thought about making cutout above the fans and put in a mesh but I realized that the board is 5/8 inch so it wont work.

I am thinking about finding some computer fans locally and add them to the backboard on both sides to **** the fresh air in.

concept #1
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00026-20100108-1945.jpg

concept #2
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00027-20100108-2003.jpg


So which way should I mount it in for the best efficiency? Just looking for some opinions. I think I will have everything installed and hooked up by tomorrow as I got the grommets to clean up the look as well

Also I decided to go ahead and get the carpeting over with. It was my very first attempt at carpeting anything lol, I think I am pleased with how I did. But I could do a bit better with the back board because I could not get the carpeting on the edge of the cutout in the middle 100% right.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00030-20100109-0041.jpg
Amp rack- yes the weights are on it lol. I left it in my bro's barn and it was **** cold so it got slightly bent so I am just trying to flatten it up before Installing it tmw.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00031-20100109-0041.jpg
backboard and the "legs"

JarvisB
01-09-2010, 11:22 AM
I'm sure some of you missed this post while the forum was blowing up last night.

I need help on deciding where to mount the fans. Some input would be appreciated, thanks.

subzero
01-09-2010, 01:06 PM
Guys, I cant even decide on this one so hope some of your input would help my decision.

I got 2 fans and I am not sure which one would be ideal for cooling of my amps. keep my mind kicker zx series amps are non fancooled, but they work like an horse when hot tho. Just want to have the most efficient cooling possible to get the most out of my investment on the fans.

The picture was taken this morning before I made the vent cutout on the board up behind the rear seat.

From what it seems, I will have to only have the capability to blow the hot air out by using both of my fans but I am not sure where am I supposed to get some fresh air in. I thought about making cutout above the fans and put in a mesh but I realized that the board is 5/8 inch so it wont work.

I am thinking about finding some computer fans locally and add them to the backboard on both sides to **** the fresh air in.

concept #1
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00026-20100108-1945.jpg

concept #2
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00027-20100108-2003.jpg


So which way should I mount it in for the best efficiency? Just looking for some opinions. I think I will have everything installed and hooked up by tomorrow as I got the grommets to clean up the look as well



Since you have these amps covered up, I would take the covers off (if possible) and put one fan per amp, blowing across the lenght of each amp. I have one of those fans blowing across the lenght of my four channel. The fan is angled up to catch the top cover opening. Soundstream Turantula amps have that design so it make mine heat up more cuase the heatsink is under the board. The first amp I seen like this. I am thinking about putting feet under each amp but the TRX1000D's havent really heated up on me, just the TRX880.4. It used to get hot, but I figured alll that out and added the fan just in case. I had 2 fans but one failed.

Louisiana_CRX
01-09-2010, 01:11 PM
I'd mount a hinged cover to a small linear actuator to lift up while driving and close when not in use to help ventilate the amps.....

subzero
01-09-2010, 01:18 PM
I'd mount a hinged cover to a small linear actuator to lift up while driving and close when not in use to help ventilate the amps.....

Ah, lift the whole thing up? that would be cool too.

Bobby322
01-09-2010, 03:45 PM
push/pull type of cooling i think is better like your first picture

JarvisB
01-09-2010, 09:42 PM
UPDATE:

I am done with carpeting and I pretty much have everything together right now. Really, I did not have much time into it today but still managed to get everything going.

I got a mock up here but not everything is being screwed in cuz I want to make holes for the wires first before i start putting them all together.

Figured that I would need some kind of ventilation for fresh air to come in. I went to my local store asking for a circle vent and they have it! most stores wouldnt have this big ( 3"), most of the time they say I can only order one. My local Home depot has them in 2 inches only while my local store had 3" so I went ahead and bought 4 vents( I ended up using 3). I figured I would place them above where my fans would be. I think it is a perfect air flow for my type of fans since it is curved at the bottom to blow the air into the amp and then the air would exit into my rearseats--I will add a grille on the hole so it would look more classy. Also the vents were white so I grabbed some all purpose black paint to cover it up with black color to flow with my set up better.

Just a mock-up
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00035-20100109-1935.jpg

the 3" vents, I have one left in case I need to add another vent somewhere.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00037-20100109-1937.jpg

used 3" hole saw to cut the vent holes
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00038-20100109-2002.jpg

floor carpeted and vents installed. I want to do something nice on the underside(not pictured as it is not done, my friend has a router so I will borrow it someday soon.. My roommate is a graffiti artist so I am going to ask him to spray something related to my car/personality, OR I will just spray a big ford emblem on the backside to give it some style hah.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00040-20100109-2034.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00041-20100109-2034.jpg

subzero
01-09-2010, 09:44 PM
I like those vents :D I might have put some on the oppisite end too.

JarvisB
01-09-2010, 09:44 PM
I'd mount a hinged cover to a small linear actuator to lift up while driving and close when not in use to help ventilate the amps.....

That would be hot ha. Maybe later down the road I'll do that

Spooney
01-09-2010, 10:51 PM
where did you get those fans and how much? i have a first gen orion 2150gx amp that i am trying to resurrect and i know when i get her going it will run hot mostly due to the fact that it is so old it doesnt even have a mosfet power supply. straight up bipolar junction transistor power supply.runs hot as a b!tch

JarvisB
01-10-2010, 12:11 AM
I like those vents :D I might have put some on the oppisite end too.
I would like to do that too but I dont want any more air flow restriction so I think I better keep it to 1 vent.

where did you get those fans and how much? i have a first gen orion 2150gx amp that i am trying to resurrect and i know when i get her going it will run hot mostly due to the fact that it is so old it doesnt even have a mosfet power supply. straight up bipolar junction transistor power supply.runs hot as a b!tch

Those fans are from amazon, LINK (http://www.amazon.com/Stinger-SGJ78-8-25-Inch-Cross-Flow-Fan/dp/B001HHSPYI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263100229&sr=8-1) I think I paid 25 bucks a piece.

I bought it almost a year ago lol, I thought I would get around to building a rack and floor but I didn't until now.

djarmy2004
01-10-2010, 04:54 AM
You said you got help from HCCA, is that HCCAFAN that was banned from here a few yrs ago? If so tell him i said hi. I talk to him every now then

JarvisB
01-10-2010, 10:57 AM
no, it is not HCCAFAN, it is HCCA

HCCA
01-10-2010, 11:54 AM
Well, it appears, I'm late to the party. You've already made your cuts. I was going to mention that I would have suggested placing your fans on the ends of the amps, not on the sides of each one. The way you have them now, you are only efficiently cooling one side of the heat sink. The other will be practically a back eddy, where heat would stack up. With most amps, you don't need a gale force wind to cool them, just air to circulate around them.

So, you could have made air dams on one END of the amps, and had the fans **** the air out. Vent hole on the face of the left side of the 2x10, to let air in, and a vent hole on the right side of the face of the 2x10, for exhaust. This would farce air to travel along the heat sink fins, and vent out the other side. As well, you would not have reduced utility of your cargo area, as you now do. ~ i.e.- If you place anything like groceries or luggage, in the rear area, you will block your vents.

Sorry, I was late to reply.

JarvisB
01-10-2010, 07:20 PM
No worries, I am thinking about adding computer fans just like u did later.

I guess this will do just for now.

I finished the floor but I did not hook it all up as I gave up on it like 30 mins ago.

Lesson learned- get Knu Flex or Kicker Hyperflex period. My KLMX would NOT cooperate at all. It is about 20 degrees here right now and KLMX cable would not move for me which got me pissed off. And it was dark so my frustration added up.

I decided to stop and continue tomorrow morning. I am thinking about borrowing my mom's hair dryer to blow at the cable to make it f-ing bend.

here are some pics if you guys curious about the progress:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00047-20100110-1844.jpg

Instead of putting sub and box back in, there are some tools lying :( really wanted to finish it today ha. oh well
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00048-20100110-1848.jpg

Right now I am seriously considering about buying kicker hyperflex. But I am going to wait until tomorrow to see if it is for real that I cant make the KLMX to move in the way i want it to be.

JarvisB
01-11-2010, 04:16 PM
I am finished!!

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00050-20100111-1458.jpg

I am impressed with how those fans work, they really do their job! They blow hard and all the way to the exit hole, I can feel air blowing into my hands. seems to be very efficient but I will monitor the temperatures under the floor as time goes.

I was unable to have the wires connect to my amp thru the holes I drilled because Knukonceptz KLMX cable would not bend for me especially when it is in upper 10 degrees here. I am considering about buying some kicker hyperflex this spring and swap the wires with the hyperflex. Take my word on this, if your place gets cold like here during winters, you would want a Knu Fleks or Hyperflex for their flexibility.

I wanted to hook up my 4 channel amp but I did not realize I dont have a long enough 4 channel rca interconnects so I am going to order longer one soon when I come up with extra cash. and would need to buy some speaker wire as well. I think I should be able to get components and 4 ch installed this spring. Much easier to work around when the weather is warm.

dvldogyut
01-11-2010, 04:27 PM
I am finished!!

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG00050-20100111-1458.jpg

HOLY PORT BATMAN!

JarvisB
01-11-2010, 04:30 PM
lol i k. it is a compression box so you cant see aeros which are in the port.

path2spl
01-11-2010, 04:37 PM
take a pic inside the port

JarvisB
01-11-2010, 04:38 PM
I can do that when I go out later today. I dont feel like getting out of the house right now when I am perfectly warm lol.

mobeious
01-11-2010, 04:41 PM
man where do i know that box from

mobeious
01-11-2010, 04:42 PM
hey just curious ... have u had any tranny problems in ur explorer yet?

bhsdriller
01-11-2010, 04:45 PM
looks clean

JarvisB
01-11-2010, 04:47 PM
man where do i know that box from
I built the box myself! :P


hey just curious ... have u had any tranny problems in ur explorer yet?

naw, hell I would be pissed if it already got problems. I think it is pretty solid though, 2nd gen explorers usually have problems with the tranny. my 95 tranny was rebuilt TWICE and then I totalled it :(

but my 04, no problem at all- Actually I think it is a solid tranny, I am looking to install a turbo on my x so the tranny better not fail on me. *knocks on wood*

mobeious
01-11-2010, 04:54 PM
LOL nah the trannys in the 02-05 explorers are total **** .. i heard that they are unrepairable since ford really doesnt know the problem.. google " hard shifting explorer" people say its the tranny silinoid but i know people that have had that replaced and it only fix teh problem for like 4months then it starts again... mine is starting to act up now.. i got quoted 1100 to fix the silinoid

JarvisB
01-11-2010, 04:59 PM
LOL nah the trannys in the 02-05 explorers are total **** .. i heard that they are unrepairable since ford really doesnt know the problem.. google " hard shifting explorer" people say its the tranny silinoid but i know people that have had that replaced and it only fix teh problem for like 4months then it starts again... mine is starting to act up now.. i got quoted 1100 to fix the silinoid

**** i gotta do some more research but my mom's 02 is going strong at 91k miles

and mine is at 52k miles, still all smooth.

Man seriously it would **** if I have a tranny problem right now. And are you saying it is the solenoid that 02-05 has problems with?

mobeious
01-11-2010, 05:06 PM
yep.. mine is a 04 and my problems started at around 65k... has 82 on it now and its getting worse 02-04 ford explorers were the 4 worst build cars ever its documented.. they have had more complaints then any other car

JarvisB
01-11-2010, 05:13 PM
Never knew that.

I have ZERO complaints with mine.

IMO, it is all based on who owned the X. maybe some idiot owned your X before you(if you are not the original owner)

My X was leased for almost 4 years by a businessman and it was flawless when I bought it. seriously all of the seats looked new except for the drivers seat, apparently that guy drove alone often and everything is so clean, even the body had zero dings or scratches until it got into my possession because I brought it to D.C. Also this leaser had Ford do all of the service including oil change so everything is been done properly, I am not too worried.

But yeah I might have to watch out for some kind of tranny failure but I am expecting the tranny to be my b*tch for next 40+ thousand miles lol.

Edit: I lied, I got one complaint, the tires on the X right now is ******! They are cracking up at the edges above the sidewall; I got it that way. And the chrome wheels are peeling. Nothing major though. I got a set of 22s and I am looking to get a set of 20s with all season tires to replace the stockers.

mobeious
01-11-2010, 07:27 PM
Ya i can start a list of my ****** truck

rear hatch cracked in half
evaporater box for a/c leaked into my floorboard
starter died twice
altenator once
ball joints busted
abs computer screwed up
tranny
rotors bad at 40k
leaky sunroof
loud wind noise coming from rear a/c compressor

my truck is fully loaded i paid 20k for it in 2005 it had 18k on the odometer
the evap box broke withen 2weeks of my waranty going out and ford would not do anything its a 600 dollar fix

bamaboy
01-11-2010, 07:32 PM
where do i check for tranny/rearend problems?

i just ride it out, ive been ready for a new ride

i have ~75k now

and also second on how the cheap knu wire is about useless for anything but big3, and heat wouldnt of helped mine out, that **** *****, its not worth the savings of a few bucks

path2spl
01-11-2010, 07:33 PM
we had alot of the explorers mountianeers come in to my dealer for the trans prob esp the v8 ones. hard shifting and banging in to reverse.

mobeious
01-11-2010, 07:42 PM
where do i check for tranny/rearend problems?

i just ride it out, ive been ready for a new ride

i have ~75k now

and also second on how the cheap knu wire is about useless for anything but big3, and heat wouldnt of helped mine out, that **** *****, its not worth the savings of a few bucks

U would know if u had the problem


we had alot of the explorers mountianeers come in to my dealer for the trans prob esp the v8 ones. hard shifting and banging in to reverse.

exactly what my truck is doin... feels like the tranny is going to fall out going into reverse..... have yall found a solution?

HCCA
01-11-2010, 08:47 PM
Here's a good place to start looking...
http://explorerx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14211

I have 103K on mine, and the trans is still ok. HOWEVER, I have had the diff replaced, and the trans on 3rd gens is notorious for going bad. I hope I get by for a long time without trouble. However... it's not if, but when! Basically, just replace it, and call it a day. Forget about repairing it. It seems that when it goes....it realllly goes! $3-4K for replacement trans!!!

mobeious
01-12-2010, 05:59 AM
ehh i can get new trans for like 1500 then lik 600 to have it put in my truck will be paid off dec 2011 so i dont know if its worth fixing or just get a new vehicle

hatedonmostly
01-12-2010, 06:13 AM
Ya i can start a list of my ****** truck

rear hatch cracked in half
evaporater box for a/c leaked into my floorboard
starter died twice
altenator once
ball joints busted
abs computer screwed up
tranny
rotors bad at 40k
leaky sunroof
loud wind noise coming from rear a/c compressor

my truck is fully loaded i paid 20k for it in 2005 it had 18k on the odometer
the evap box broke withen 2weeks of my waranty going out and ford would not do anything its a 600 dollar fix
lol, all that wrong with it at 80K? Wow, Ford's at it again :rolleyes:

BJs are a known problem with my truck, along with the trans, but mine are still going strong so far

Only other Ford I've had experience with is my grandma's '97 T-bird, and the trans on that went at 94K. That's ****ing sad. I just rolled 126 in my truck and only the trans speed sensor has gone bad.

And I'm hoping the trans will last me to 175K. If not, then 150.

But yeah I might have to watch out for some kind of tranny failure but I am expecting the tranny to be my b*tch for next 40+ thousand miles lol.
Man, just hearing someone say that when they're at 40K is just ******. :crap: I guess Ford royally ****ed up with this one

we had alot of the explorers mountianeers come in to my dealer for the trans prob esp the v8 ones. hard shifting and banging in to reverse.

Sure it's not bad u-joints that's causing the banging in reverse?

bamaboy
01-12-2010, 12:38 PM
U would know if u had the problem



exactly what my truck is doin... feels like the tranny is going to fall out going into reverse..... have yall found a solution?

Should have reworded that one, where do I check the box for tranny/rearend problems...

This has turned into a pos explorer thread

soloXgt
01-12-2010, 12:43 PM
whatever happened to the pics inside the port?

HCCA
01-12-2010, 06:22 PM
I'm not sure if it was just luck of the draw, or just people beating the crap out of their vehicles. But, I've heard of the trans going bad in Explorers at 35K, 140K, and anywhere in between. Though, I've not heard of them lasting longer than 140K! I've got to start a transmission savings account, now!

path2spl
01-12-2010, 07:12 PM
well the banging in reverse is def the trans cause you can put it in reverse then 10 sec later it slams then starts moving with some shaking in the worst situations

JarvisB
01-12-2010, 10:22 PM
Man, just hearing someone say that when they're at 40K is just ******. :crap: I guess Ford royally ****ed up with this one


no i never said i got a problem. I am saying i expect it not to fail on me thats all

JarvisB
01-12-2010, 10:25 PM
whatever happened to the pics inside the port?
Forgot about it. I'll get that tomorrow :)

edit: lemme dig up old pics see if i can find it

edit 2:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG_1544.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/uglydimple12/IMG_1542.jpg