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treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 03:08 PM
i was wonderin what yals opinion would be on running mids and highs for 4500 watts worth of subs....i have a s10 and didnt know what route to go. i believe i am getting a 100.4 for my mids and highs and was looking into horns...and maybe 2 mids per door?? anyone else have any suggestions?? :)

k_schutte
12-23-2009, 03:11 PM
you should tell us more about your sub stage... "4500" watts worth of subs doesn't really make sense in the first place and "4500 watts" could be drown out by stock speakers if you are running Power Acoustics...

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 03:55 PM
you should tell us more about your sub stage... "4500" watts worth of subs doesn't really make sense in the first place and "4500 watts" could be drown out by stock speakers if you are running Power Acoustics...

ok my bad..i was in a hurry..lol and it will be a 4500D amp with 2 BTL's in a blowthrough in a standard cab s10. the amp will also be on 16v which means it'll actually be bout 6000 watts :)

dave_damage
12-23-2009, 03:57 PM
What Amp!!!! Jesus Christ!!!!!

dave_damage
12-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Should we just assume Sundown?

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 04:00 PM
What Amp!!!! Jesus Christ!!!!!

i just said a 4500D?? which is a a sundown 4500D...sorry i thought u knew what it was

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:18 PM
anyone??

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:20 PM
got high hopes looking to get 6k out of it!

oldschoolboomer
12-23-2009, 09:20 PM
find some old blaupunkt velocity comps and feed them 200-300 watts per pair

S.B.C.
12-23-2009, 09:21 PM
A couple component sets, or a few horns maybe

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:23 PM
got high hopes looking to get 6k out of it!

don't think i can on 16v?? lol

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:24 PM
i know you wont :)

oldschoolboomer
12-23-2009, 09:25 PM
I ran one on 11 volts and got 7243 watts. Here's the proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

k_schutte
12-23-2009, 09:28 PM
impressive substage... I was honestly expecting you to say PA, or Lanzar or something like that LOL...


SoundStream RF's on a 200~ watts each is my suggestion, gotta love the 3" coil...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170412124805&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=WXI7&GUID=94b48cfa1250a04372a009e0fff1cc94&itemid=170412124805&ff4=263602_263622

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:28 PM
i know you wont :)

5290 Watts @ 1 ohm nominal rising to 2.12 ohms on 17.9 volts (did not measure drop)
6930 Watts @ 0.5 ohm nominal rising to 1.31 ohms on 17.9 volts (did not measure drop)

:)

anyways....lol back to the question...anyone have any ideas?? some efficient mids or anything?

revrider1
12-23-2009, 09:29 PM
Hmm...

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:30 PM
5290 Watts @ 1 ohm nominal rising to 2.12 ohms on 17.9 volts (did not measure drop)
6930 Watts @ 0.5 ohm nominal rising to 1.31 ohms on 17.9 volts (did not measure drop)

:)

anyways....lol back to the question...anyone have any ideas?? some efficient mids or anything?

need more proof than that keyboard commando!
Your post means nothing lets see pics/video But than again you dont have the amp so how could you prove it?

hornedfrog1985
12-23-2009, 09:32 PM
3" coil on a comps set :O

oldschoolboomer
12-23-2009, 09:32 PM
i had a video..........

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:33 PM
impressive substage... I was honestly expecting you to say PA, or Lanzar or something like that LOL...


SoundStream RF's on a 200~ watts each is my suggestion, gotta love the 3" coil...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170412124805&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=WXI7&GUID=94b48cfa1250a04372a009e0fff1cc94&itemid=170412124805&ff4=263602_263622

thanks man :) i havent got it done yet but everything is waiting in my room..all i like is the box and for someone to do it that knows what they are doin lol

Johnny Law.Lulz
12-23-2009, 09:35 PM
Earthquake

oldschoolboomer
12-23-2009, 09:35 PM
the blaupunkts have 3" coils

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:35 PM
need more proof than that keyboard commando!
Your post means nothing lets see pics/video But than again you dont have the amp so how could you prove it?

actually amp is sitting in my room...and thats straight off of sundowns site...why not just help me instead of trying to an ***?? lol

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:36 PM
thanks man :) i havent got it done yet but everything is waiting in my room..all i like is the box and for someone to do it that knows what they are doin lol

so you dont have anything finished and yet you have test results on your so called amp?:wow:

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:41 PM
actually amp is sitting in my room...and thats straight off of sundowns site...why not just help me instead of trying to an ***?? lol

not being an *** and dont belive the website you posted that from! Bottom line is they put **** near 18volts to the amp and ran it in perfect conditions to achieve that result, you on the other hand are noob spending mommy's money on stuff you know nothing about. In the event you EVER actually build this set up here is what will happen...

1. your going to fry the amp
2. your going to blow the speakers
3. your going to beg mom and dad for a new one
4. your going to **** it all up again

kthnx have a nice night.

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:42 PM
so you dont have anything finished and yet you have test results on your so called amp?:wow:

no...this amp just came out and jacob has tested it prior to selling it...lol why does this even matter??

Johnny Law.Lulz
12-23-2009, 09:44 PM
not being an *** and dont belive the website you posted that from! Bottom line is they put **** near 18volts to the amp and ran it in perfect conditions to achieve that result, you on the other hand are noob spending mommy's money on stuff you know nothing about. In the event you EVER actually build this set up here is what will happen...

1. your going to fry the amp
2. your going to blow the speakers
3. your going to beg mom and dad for a new one
4. your going to **** it all up again

kthnx have a nice night.

Sundown doesnt inflate ratings. Stick to your Kicker amps and shut the **** up when real products are mentioned.

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:45 PM
Sundown doesnt inflate ratings. Stick to your Kicker amps and shut the **** up when real products are mentioned.

hahahahaha wow are you kidding me?????

Johnny Law.Lulz
12-23-2009, 09:47 PM
No i just said that to be funny.

Maybe AQ, Incriminator, DD, Atomic and all them good amps lie on their website too.

Maybe your Kicker amps are better than every other amp on the planet.

Maybe you just want something to ***** at.

A lot of maybes.

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:47 PM
hahahahaha wow are you kidding me?????

hahahahahahaha sorry cant stop.

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:49 PM
not being an *** and dont belive the website you posted that from! Bottom line is they put **** near 18volts to the amp and ran it in perfect conditions to achieve that result, you on the other hand are noob spending mommy's money on stuff you know nothing about. In the event you EVER actually build this set up here is what will happen...

1. your going to fry the amp
2. your going to blow the speakers
3. your going to beg mom and dad for a new one
4. your going to **** it all up again

kthnx have a nice night.

ACTUALLY.....i have worked 3 jobs the past 2 summers and mow some yards on the weekend and save the hell out of the money i get. so dont say **** unless ya know what your talkin bout. i swear ppl like u i dont get...all u wanna do is put ppl down and i dont get it..u dont even know what your talkin about...lol gah :) you too

Johnny Law.Lulz
12-23-2009, 09:49 PM
lulz. Fix your post *******. Im not flexing ****. Im a 6' 215 lbs 17 year old guy in Virginia. If you can kick my *** thats cool, if i can kick your, thats cool. But you assuming a website is full of lies based on assumptions is what is really loved.

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:50 PM
No i just said that to be funny.

Maybe AQ, Incriminator, DD, Atomic and all them good amps lie on their website too.

Maybe your Kicker amps are better than every other amp on the planet.

Maybe you just want something to ***** at.

A lot of maybes.

ok i wasnt *****ing and i never said anything about kicker amps! So where the hell did you come up with this ****? did i make your girlfreind cry or something? who asked you to chime in?

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:51 PM
hahahahahahaha sorry cant stop.

ok i started this thread to see if anyone would help me with suggestions....not to start **** sayin how i dont have this or that or how ****** my stuff is..so can u please go elsewhere??

Johnny Law.Lulz
12-23-2009, 09:51 PM
you run kicker amps, thats where that came from. Now who is trying to flex some e muscles.

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:52 PM
is sundown a good company....yes will this kid actually get 6k out of this amp......NO bottom line its not an assumption its a fact.

cj407
12-23-2009, 09:52 PM
5290 Watts @ 1 ohm nominal rising to 2.12 ohms on 17.9 volts (did not measure drop)
6930 Watts @ 0.5 ohm nominal rising to 1.31 ohms on 17.9 volts (did not measure drop)

:)

anyways....lol back to the question...anyone have any ideas?? some efficient mids or anything?

ok so you plan on burping daily....rollin down the street i heard trey burping it made me cry. laughing so hard. (slick rick - mona lisa tune)


and if you check it out only 5290@2ohms @ 17.9v

Abel
12-23-2009, 09:53 PM
you run kicker amps, thats where that came from. Now who is trying to flex some e muscles.


ok so i run kicker amps!! whats your point?? i never came into this thread bashing another company and trying to push kicker on anyone!

Johnny Law.Lulz
12-23-2009, 09:55 PM
is sundown a good company....yes will this kid actually get 6k out of this amp......NO bottom line its not an assumption its a fact.

It is a fact that the amp can do it. I doubt this kid would see it because i doubt he knows how to even make an 18 volt system. You stating that that website is wrong is where my problem came from.

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:56 PM
ok so you plan on burping daily....rollin down the street i heard trey burping it made me cry. laughing so hard. (slick rick - mona lisa tune)


and if you check it out only 5290@2ohms @ 17.9v

ok?? lol gah if your going to go on and on about the amp go elsewhere ****..lol i'm looking for help from ppl that care to help me and not from ppl that wanna nick pick every little **** thing.

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 09:58 PM
It is a fact that the amp can do it. I doubt this kid would see it because i doubt he knows how to even make an 18 volt system. You stating that that website is wrong is where my problem came from.


actually i'm not as stupid as ya might think...i know how to run an 18v system..

Johnny Law.Lulz
12-23-2009, 10:00 PM
actually i'm not as stupid as ya might think...i know how to run an 18v system..


Wasnt calling you stupid. Most people in this hobby have no idea what it takes.

Abel
12-23-2009, 10:00 PM
It is a fact that the amp can do it. I doubt this kid would see it because i doubt he knows how to even make an 18 volt system. You stating that that website is wrong is where my problem came from.

the website is showing WHAT the company managed to pull off with everything set perfect as far as imp rise and steady voltage, not any real life application. there will probably be a very small handfull of people who will actually come close to these numbers. ALL companies stretch the truth and yes even Kicker does, but once again I DIDNT BASH ANY COMPANY!

Johnny Law.Lulz
12-23-2009, 10:01 PM
Never said it was a real life application but you implied that the website itself was completely lying when they posted that.

treylittlefield
12-23-2009, 10:02 PM
Wasnt calling you stupid. Most people in this hobby have no idea what it takes.

well i'd hope not..lol 16v batts and seperate alt?? lol i hope thats all it takes or maytbe i am stupid??:crap:

Abel
12-23-2009, 10:04 PM
Never said it was a real life application but you implied that the website itself was completely lying when they posted that.

well in a sense they did lie. Companies truelly should give real world ratings instead of these numbers that are unpractical to the normal person.

hornedfrog1985
12-23-2009, 10:04 PM
***** mofo im like 7 feet tall.

corrie32
12-23-2009, 10:24 PM
lol y'all got me rolling over here.

dave_damage
12-24-2009, 05:34 AM
http://soundstream.com/AudioProducts/Speakers_Tweeters/pro_series.htm

enjoy

michaellane
12-24-2009, 06:20 AM
you will not see 6,000 watts in your car. period. but im sure it will be loud.

Lonnie
12-24-2009, 01:58 PM
Lawl 4 pages and only 1 person suggested mids. Rest is just some kids flaming eachother.

chaunb3400
12-24-2009, 02:07 PM
http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=89&idproduct=235

Abel
12-24-2009, 02:09 PM
Lawl 4 pages and only 1 person suggested mids. Rest is just some kids flaming eachother.

And yet you didnt suggest anything, and BTW im not a kid by any means!

manny1337
12-24-2009, 02:20 PM
lol wow. btw kicker ftl =P. lol and 120db off 2 15inches and a kicker 2500 huh? =P n00b
now on to comps

it dont matter if youre putting out4k or 6k youre going to need a loud frontstage.
Those soundstreams look really nice, id also check out the id line. How much are you looking to spend?

Abel
12-24-2009, 03:26 PM
lol wow. btw kicker ftl =P. lol and 120db off 2 15inches and a kicker 2500 huh? =P n00b
now on to comps

it dont matter if youre putting out4k or 6k youre going to need a loud frontstage.
Those soundstreams look really nice, id also check out the id line. How much are you looking to spend?

i assure you the 120 db part of my sig is a joke. And why do you say kicker FTL?

manny1337
12-24-2009, 03:33 PM
man id sure hope so. howd you like re subs? i just ordered some. and because kicker is so overpriced. and there l5,l7 sound like ****.

Abel
12-24-2009, 03:34 PM
i been running the MT's for 3 years now and love them. take power and in a oversized very low tunned box they sound pretty good.

manny1337
12-24-2009, 03:37 PM
i just got some re x 8's going to do 4 of them in the trunk of a camry off aq1200. hope they can get loud =P

RAM_Designs
12-24-2009, 03:47 PM
It is a fact that the amp can do it. I doubt this kid would see it because i doubt he knows how to even make an 18 volt system.
It's just a normal 16V setup, nothing special. Just like how our "12V" setups charge at 14V+.

RAM_Designs
12-24-2009, 03:48 PM
http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=89&idproduct=235

Sensitivity: 95db @ 1W/1M :eek:

Kinda hard to believe...

jerseyboy
12-24-2009, 03:51 PM
op, check your pm's

Lonnie
12-24-2009, 03:58 PM
And yet you didnt suggest anything, and BTW im not a kid by any means!

I am some what clueless as to what mids I should give myself...much less what someone else should get XD

To me yall look like kids since your arguing over something stupid.

treylittlefield
12-24-2009, 08:25 PM
lol wow. btw kicker ftl =P. lol and 120db off 2 15inches and a kicker 2500 huh? =P n00b
now on to comps

it dont matter if youre putting out4k or 6k youre going to need a loud frontstage.
Those soundstreams look really nice, id also check out the id line. How much are you looking to spend?

i would say $650 at the most...including amp...and im looking to find a sundown 100.4

treylittlefield
12-24-2009, 08:41 PM
hows this sound guy...2 sets of ID OEM's...1 set in the doors and another in the kicks...and then getting some horns and a sundown 100.4....anyone got any of thsoe mids or the horns?? i cant seem to find any horns that arent discontinued...and i was thinkin of gettin the sundown and bridging it...and running both sets of mids off of it..and find a very small SQ amp for the horns..anyone have any ideas????

treylittlefield
12-24-2009, 08:51 PM
well now that i look..:( the sundown amp is 320x2 at 4 ohms...which means i cant bridge the amp and run a pair per channel...u think the mids will get loud enough off 100watts?? so i could just run one per channel?? lol sorry this is confusing

manny1337
12-25-2009, 11:32 AM
if you got an aq amp its 200 new. 100x4 nice amps for a great price. then id pickup some nice id comp sets and youd be good. but thats just me

PioneerSPL1990
12-25-2009, 11:42 AM
critical mass ss5 and ss6's biamped w/crossovers, on a couple hundred clean watts crossed a little high.

treylittlefield
12-26-2009, 10:47 AM
anyone know of a good small 2 channel amp?? :)

manny1337
12-26-2009, 11:25 AM
Rockford Fosgate P325.2 50$ http://www.crutchfield.com/p_575P325...ch-P325-2.html

;) that

treylittlefield
12-26-2009, 12:30 PM
Rockford Fosgate P325.2 50$ http://www.crutchfield.com/p_575P325...ch-P325-2.html

;) that

that amp is a little to thick:(

basebalz13
12-26-2009, 01:23 PM
the website is showing WHAT the company managed to pull off with everything set perfect as far as imp rise and steady voltage, not any real life application. there will probably be a very small handfull of people who will actually come close to these numbers. ALL companies stretch the truth and yes even Kicker does, but once again I DIDNT BASH ANY COMPANY!


hey dumbfvck, you need to do some research before you open your mouth.

first off when sundown "clamps RMS" they dont put it on peak, and measure the second you hit it. it actually takes about 8-12 secs for them to clamp the power. therefor thats as close to real world as your going to get. imp rise already taken into effect, voltage drop has already taken into effect, blah blah blah.


second thing, take that Team Kicker out of your sig, you are not apart of team kicker...there is no more team kicker because of guys like polecat and prolly you going around giving all their best friends "team" price, and then selling to others to make a few extra bucks.

basebalz13
12-26-2009, 01:26 PM
oh and OP you have a PM sir

treylittlefield
12-26-2009, 01:55 PM
oh and OP you have a PM sir

hahaha thank you sir :)

Abel
12-26-2009, 03:16 PM
hey dumbfvck, you need to do some research before you open your mouth.

first off when sundown "clamps RMS" they dont put it on peak, and measure the second you hit it. it actually takes about 8-12 secs for them to clamp the power. therefor thats as close to real world as your going to get. imp rise already taken into effect, voltage drop has already taken into effect, blah blah blah.


second thing, take that Team Kicker out of your sig, you are not apart of team kicker...there is no more team kicker because of guys like polecat and prolly you going around giving all their best friends "team" price, and then selling to others to make a few extra bucks.


Ok first off your stupid Polecat isnt on team kicker HE IS TEAM KICKER!!! Tracy aka Polecat works for kicker and is incharge of team kicker itself, so your wrong about selling stuff to freinds at team price. As for me you can ask kicker what i have bought threw team price and i can show you all of it in my garage! I only buy what I need. So how about you do some ****ing research before you open your mouth about people! The only thing you are right about is that there is no more Team Kicker! Because some people did abuse what they had.

Abel
12-26-2009, 03:24 PM
And on a second note are you there when sundown tests their amps?? have you seen them do it first hand? i think not so go find another thread to join in on and get bashed by the rest of the forum as you always do kthnxby

mlstrass
12-26-2009, 03:40 PM
Nice to see Les holding back and not telling us how he really feels LOL

mlstrass
12-26-2009, 03:43 PM
OP...Not sure if you've considering going active, but 4 Mach5mids and some budget tweeters in the Apillars could do the job.

I run 8 Hi-Vi $4 tweeters in each pillar off like 75watts and they keep up with my subs no problem.

You'd be under $300 for the mids/tweets assuming you do the install work.

I know the AQ and SD 4 channels are active capable, so you could BP the mids, just not sure how high the xover is for the tweets as you'd want to HP them around 4k.

mlstrass
12-26-2009, 03:50 PM
The AQ is on sale for $209 and will BP the mids and HP the tweeters up to 4.5K, so that would work fine. I'm sure the SD will do that also if you're set on getting one of those, just expect to pay more.

2 mids per channel will be a 2ohm load, so you'll have plenty of power for them.

basebalz13
12-26-2009, 03:55 PM
Ok first off your stupid Polecat isnt on team kicker HE IS TEAM KICKER!!! Tracy aka Polecat works for kicker and is incharge of team kicker itself, so your wrong about selling stuff to freinds at team price. As for me you can ask kicker what i have bought threw team price and i can show you all of it in my garage! I only buy what I need. So how about you do some ****ing research before you open your mouth about people! The only thing you are right about is that there is no more Team Kicker! Because some people did abuse what they had.



Polecat is the one who abused it...

basebalz13
12-26-2009, 03:57 PM
And on a second note are you there when sundown tests their amps?? have you seen them do it first hand? i think not so go find another thread to join in on and get bashed by the rest of the forum as you always do kthnxby


LOL, yes i have been there. Seen it many times. AND have done it any times in my truck when we was testing a 3500D, the 4500D prototype, and a American Bass 500.1.

Abel
12-26-2009, 05:12 PM
Polecat is the one who abused it...


source of this is where? Once again Polecat isnt a competitor he is an employee of Still water designs <Kicker> And i find it very hard to belive that any company sends you prototype amps to test for them! Now i can sit here and go back and forth with you all day long if you would like but i am going to keep proving you wrong on anything you have to say.

treylittlefield
12-26-2009, 05:13 PM
OP...Not sure if you've considering going active, but 4 Mach5mids and some budget tweeters in the Apillars could do the job.

I run 8 Hi-Vi $4 tweeters in each pillar off like 75watts and they keep up with my subs no problem.

You'd be under $300 for the mids/tweets assuming you do the install work.

I know the AQ and SD 4 channels are active capable, so you could BP the mids, just not sure how high the xover is for the tweets as you'd want to HP them around 4k.

never considered it honestly...i wouldnt know where to start..lol i need to most from my highs while still sounding good ya know?? :)

basebalz13
12-26-2009, 05:22 PM
source of this is where? Once again Polecat isnt a competitor he is an employee of Still water designs <Kicker> And i find it very hard to belive that any company sends you prototype amps to test for them! Now i can sit here and go back and forth with you all day long if you would like but i am going to keep proving you wrong on anything you have to say.



source is i cannot say...he was a highly idolized competitor on Team Kicker though...if he chooses to say then he will.


and buddy, you have no idea who i am FYI.

btw i almost used the 2 prototype 4500D's in my install for World Finals this year, however we decided not to incase i would get DQ'd since they werent "techically" in production yet. Instead we stuck 4 3500D's in there...

Abel
12-26-2009, 05:27 PM
source is i cannot say...he was a highly idolized competitor on Team Kicker though...if he chooses to say then he will.


and buddy, you have no idea who i am FYI.

btw i almost used the 2 prototype 4500D's in my install for World Finals this year, however we decided not to incase i would get DQ'd since they werent "techically" in production yet. Instead we stuck 4 3500D's in there...

Ok well MECA could give two sh!ts if your running prototype amps at finals so long as you follow the fuse rule. And your right i dont know you but do you know me? So i guess its your word against mine and your going to keep trying to start something you can never finish.

basebalz13
12-26-2009, 05:30 PM
correct, i talked to steve after finals to confirm that. but i achieved more power from the 4 3500D's anyways...


an okay have a nice day

basebalz13
12-27-2009, 11:09 PM
hmmm, seems i was wrong about polecat. i am sorry abel

kyleorsini
12-28-2009, 04:14 AM
OP...Not sure if you've considering going active, but 4 Mach5mids and some budget tweeters in the Apillars could do the job.

I run 8 Hi-Vi $4 tweeters in each pillar off like 75watts and they keep up with my subs no problem.

You'd be under $300 for the mids/tweets assuming you do the install work.

I know the AQ and SD 4 channels are active capable, so you could BP the mids, just not sure how high the xover is for the tweets as you'd want to HP them around 4k.

model and whered ya buy them?:)

Abel
12-28-2009, 07:08 PM
hmmm, seems i was wrong about polecat. i am sorry abel

;) you are forgiven