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iApex
11-26-2009, 03:49 AM
It was about time for an upgrade and I had to do a project for school that required a project that took 15 hours so I figured it was a win win situation. I saved up $500 to cover everything but soon realized it wasn't nearly enough some how. I probably should have kept better track.

So the old set up was
12" MTX Thunder 6000
Kenwood KAC-7204 powering the MTX
MTX4240 powering the front
Alpine SPX-13REF for the front.

I took out the thunder and the MTX amp, put the Kenwood on the doors and picked up a Hifonics BXI 1610D and a 12" Type R.
40ft of 2ga welding cable
3ydx40" of grey automotive carpet
150A 2ga ANL inline fuse
battery post terminals
2/0 ring terminals
10ga wire for the speakers
2x 120mm fans
some mdf
plexi glass
and some other stuff.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Sr%20Project/SDC10797.jpg
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Nothing in the trunk, other than the wiring for the mids and the old 4ga wire thats now on the kenwood
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Sr%20Project/SDC10803.jpg

Lug on the side post battery, i bought battery post terminals then realized they wern't going to work so I went to my mechanic and he hooked me up with one of those battery lugs, worked like a charm.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Sr%20Project/SDC10805.jpg

4ga with a maxi fuse
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Sr%20Project/SDC10806.jpg

iApex
11-26-2009, 04:25 AM
Nothing in the trunk but the speaker wire to the fronts RCA's and the 4ga for the kenwood
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Sr%20Project/SDC10803.jpg

My friend's Honda and my GA in the shop because it was raining all day
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I tried to get the battery terminal to fit on the battery lug but even when i tightened as hard as i could it was still super loose so i put it in the vice and 2 rotations later i snapped the bolt in half. Then I took the vice and closed the end to make the hole smaller, but ended up over doing it so i tried to open it back up and the thing just cracked in half, i was pissed lol.
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Power wire running through the firewall
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iApex
11-26-2009, 04:33 AM
Just wired everything up, the grounds that were in a picture above were wimpy little 8ga grounds and those have been tossed, they were replaced by 2ga grounds.
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I have some cathodes i'll be using later on that i wired up and tucked behind the trunk carpet
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http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Sr%20Project/SDC10836-1.jpg

That's all for now, everything has been wired up and just tossed in.
The sub is in that prefab box as a temp 2 day thing until my custom box is ready, the one andy is working on. 2.25cf @32hz.

I just wanted to see if the sub and amp worked so i tossed it in that prefab sealed box for now, that thing slams in that box so I can't wait until i put it in the good box.

Everything is working fine but one thing, i can't figure it out. when the volume on the deck is low, the speakers emit this whining noise it's really high pitched like the ringing you hear in your ears and really annoying, but you can only hear it if you press your ear against the pillar. I was thinking it might be from running both of the power wire down the same side of the car? I have no idea, but i figured i'll trouble shoot it another day, it doesnt bother me right now and i wont be running it a lot.

On friday, the custom box goes in, along with the fans and the amp board to make it look all nice and neat. I'll be back with updates friday evening hopefully.

Happy Thanksgiving!

thormxkid
11-26-2009, 08:30 AM
witch side did you run your rca's, could also be a bad ground, is your deck a pieneer?

plumbcrazy
11-26-2009, 08:39 AM
for the loudest setup in that car would be sub firing drivers side port back

mobeious
11-26-2009, 09:02 AM
holy rat nest

Boomintempo
11-26-2009, 09:52 AM
Nice little upgrade. Could definitely use some cleaning up, maybe on another rainy day? Or when you put your next box in. Is that type r a dual 2 ohm? Curious as to how the sub is handling the hifonics!

Your terminal that you snapped looks very similar to the ones I bought a while back and just couldn't get a good grip on the battery posts. Very annoying, and ended up buying something else that worked. It seems that style of terminals are junk, just don't grip for crap!

99grandprixGT
11-26-2009, 09:56 AM
should of went with two type Rs off that amp...

TMali
11-26-2009, 10:08 AM
thats alot of wire just laying around in the trunk

iApex
11-26-2009, 01:55 PM
witch side did you run your rca's, could also be a bad ground, is your deck a pieneer?
The RCA's are run on both sides, Sub RCA runs on the passenger side and the fronts RCA runs on the driver side. A bad ground is very possible. And the deck is an Alpine iDA-x100.
Something I noticed is when the Hifonics is disconnected from the battery under the hood, the whine goes away. Very strange


for the loudest setup in that car would be sub firing drivers side port back
Yeah that's the plan, that box is only in there until Friday when I go pick up the other box, like i said it is 2.25cubes @32hz

26 x 17 top
26 x 17 bottom
14 x 17 back
23.125 x 14 outer spk mnt
21.5 x 14 inner spk mnt
15.5 x 14 side
15.5 x 14 side
12.75 x 14 port
12.75 x 14 port

According to BassMechkanic


holy rat nest


Nice little upgrade. Could definitely use some cleaning up, maybe on another rainy day? Or when you put your next box in. Is that type r a dual 2 ohm? Curious as to how the sub is handling the hifonics!

Your terminal that you snapped looks very similar to the ones I bought a while back and just couldn't get a good grip on the battery posts. Very annoying, and ended up buying something else that worked. It seems that style of terminals are junk, just don't grip for crap!
Yeah it's getting cleaned up tomorrow i finished at midnight and had to type a 5 page paper, so i just tossed everything in. The sub is dual 4ohm, wired to a 2ohm load, and it handles the hifonics without any trouble. the hifonics doesn't get remotely warm, and the sub doesnt get distorted or smell like burning coils. Throwing around 750rms to it right now. I'll probably bump it up to 850-900 rms once i put it in the new box.

The terminals are junk, i got them off of parts-express, it was $14 for the pair. complete junk, i had to crimp the one i had left together with a vice, then take off the battery lug, and beat it to death with a hammer to get it to go on. it's on there though, it's really on there lol


should of went with two type Rs off that amp...
Didn't have the money =/ or i definitely would have.
Nice thing about it is when i get some extra, i can sell that R and buy 2 new ones for around $220 and be set. I bought the amp with extra power for good reason, i'd rather have too much than not enough, you can always turn the gain down ;)

thats alot of wire just laying around in the trunk
You're telling me, it was a PITA to label all of that crap so I didn't forget what's what. it will look much cleaner by saturday, providing the box is done on time.

Enellz
11-26-2009, 03:18 PM
Do you attend ca school?

iApex
11-26-2009, 03:30 PM
Do you attend ca school?

nope, i dont even know what that is

QuantumAudio
11-26-2009, 04:23 PM
One of the biggst hack jobs of wiring Ive ever yet to see dude

Thats horrible, connections look like ****, bare exposed wire at alot of them, button this up, and make an amp rack to tidy it

For the money you spent, you coulda done alotta better on both equipment and install

iApex
11-26-2009, 04:40 PM
One of the biggst hack jobs of wiring Ive ever yet to see dude

Thats horrible, connections look like ****, bare exposed wire at alot of them, button this up, and make an amp rack to tidy it

For the money you spent, you coulda done alotta better on both equipment and install
lol, you must have not read the entire thing, it will be hidden within the next day or two. it's still under construction.

I finished at midnight and making it look neat at midnight was not on the top of my list. it will be cleaned up.

QuantumAudio
11-26-2009, 04:48 PM
Even on my worst day just testing, I dont twist wires and have bare xposed connections and loose amps. Finishing at midnight is no excuse, if you cant do it proper and right, why do it at all

Do it right the first time, run wires neatly, use zipties and dont cut 1" of insulation when only 1/4" is going into the amp terminal, leaving the rest out to get shorted on

iApex
11-27-2009, 07:55 PM
Picked up the new box today and it sounds great.
26 x 17 top
26 x 17 bottom
14 x 17 back
23.125 x 14 outer spk mnt
21.5 x 14 inner spk mnt
15.5 x 14 side
15.5 x 14 side
12.75 x 14 port
12.75 x 14 port

Courtesy of BassMechkanic, extremely good work, very nice guy. I am very satisfied with his quality of workmanship.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/New%20Box/SDC10837.jpg
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Feeding the sub 800w RMS for now, it's not causing any visible problems so i'll leave it for now.

The wires are still sloppy but they're getting cleaned up tomorrow along with the box wings and amp board.

I'm still having that front speaker whine, can't figure out whats causing it for the life of me. I'm going to make new grounds tomorrow and see if that is it, if not then i'll move the rca to the other side of the car and see if that works. And go from there.

DB-Audio
11-28-2009, 03:43 PM
looks good man

captaincheesey
11-28-2009, 03:52 PM
All you need to do is tidy up, carpet or cover that box with something, and it should be a-ok man.

iApex
11-28-2009, 06:14 PM
looks good man
Thanks

All you need to do is tidy up, carpet or cover that box with something, and it should be a-ok man.
Thanks, yeah i just got done carpeting the box, have to run out to get some RCA's because while trying to trouble shoot the speaker whine i broke the other RCA's. But after i get the new ones hooked up, the box back in the car then the work on the amp rack will start.

Pics will be up later.

GearGuy2001
11-28-2009, 07:35 PM
I was using knukonceptz rca's and had speaker whine. Switched to some stinger rca's and no more problems.

iApex
11-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Carpeted the box today.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/New%20Box/SDC10856.jpg
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While removing the RCA's from the other side, i broke them i straight up ripped them in half so i bought some new ones. Ran them on the passenger side and still no change in the speaker whine.

Still sounds like you're trying to tune a radio. =/ what else could it be?
It only does it when the hifonics is powered if i turn the hifonics off it doesnt do it.

taykam33
11-28-2009, 09:29 PM
Keep up the work. One tip there should be a nice grommet on the driver side of the car for power wire. Power wire down one side and rca on other side if you dont have it like that already.

RidnClean
11-28-2009, 09:32 PM
dont ground your deck to factory ground, make a new one.

also ground rcas on deck.

BeAlLsTaR13
11-28-2009, 09:38 PM
nice to see a build in a GA

but need to clean it up.. badly

iApex
11-28-2009, 09:50 PM
Keep up the work. One tip there should be a nice grommet on the driver side of the car for power wire. Power wire down one side and rca on other side if you dont have it like that already.
idk what a grommet is, but the power wire is ran 4ga and 2ga on the passenger side and the rca's on the driver side


dont ground your deck to factory ground, make a new one.

also ground rcas on deck.
how exactly do you ground rca's on the deck?
thanks for the tip

nice to see a build in a GA

but need to clean it up.. badly
you have a GA also don't you? from your avatar it looks like a GA trunk.
Where do you have your grounds ran? right now mine are on those bolts right behind the seats, they worked fine before but now that I looked at them, they are only metal, touching metal on the frame, i'm trying to find something else but can't find anything!

taykam33
11-28-2009, 09:52 PM
dont ground your deck to factory ground, make a new one.

also ground rcas on deck.

how do you ground rca's on deck?

taykam33
11-28-2009, 09:55 PM
grommet is the rubber boot that you used on the pass for power wire. Theres one on the driver side. Thats how I do my customers cars.

BeAlLsTaR13
11-28-2009, 09:59 PM
you have a GA also don't you? from your avatar it looks like a GA trunk.
Where do you have your grounds ran? right now mine are on those bolts right behind the seats, they worked fine before but now that I looked at them, they are only metal, touching metal on the frame, i'm trying to find something else but can't find anything!


yes, i have a GA.. for ground im using the seat bolt, yes it isnt metal to metal, what you need to do is remove both bolts and take the black piece of metal, sand down around the bolt holes on the chassis, sand around the bolt holes on the black piece of metal on both sides.

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/BeAlLsTaR13/102_0005-1.jpg

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you just basically need to sand down where the metal makes the connection on the chassis and the black piece.. to ensure a metal-metal contact.. its really the only place you can ground to thats within 36" of where you can place an amp, unless you bolt it to the frame underneath the car.. which is actually the best possible ground.. but it would be longer than the recommended 3ft.

iApex
11-29-2009, 03:01 PM
yes, i have a GA.. for ground im using the seat bolt, yes it isnt metal to metal, what you need to do is remove both bolts and take the black piece of metal, sand down around the bolt holes on the chassis, sand around the bolt holes on the black piece of metal on both sides.

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/BeAlLsTaR13/102_0005-1.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/BeAlLsTaR13/102_0006-1.jpg


you just basically need to sand down where the metal makes the connection on the chassis and the black piece.. to ensure a metal-metal contact.. its really the only place you can ground to thats within 36" of where you can place an amp, unless you bolt it to the frame underneath the car.. which is actually the best possible ground.. but it would be longer than the recommended 3ft.
Thats the exact method i was thinking of last night. I'll go out and do that right now, if that doesnt fix the whine, idk wtf i'm going to do. probably break something xD

BeAlLsTaR13
11-29-2009, 03:04 PM
Thats the exact method i was thinking of last night. I'll go out and do that right now, if that doesnt fix the whine, idk wtf i'm going to do. probably break something xD

the whine is probably from your rcas or outputs... do you have the RCAS ran on the seperate side of the car than the power wire is ran? even rem wire can cause it..

iApex
11-29-2009, 07:21 PM
the whine is probably from your rcas or outputs... do you have the RCAS ran on the seperate side of the car than the power wire is ran? even rem wire can cause it..

RCA's for both amps are ran driver side, the only other thing that is ran on that side is the speaker wire for the driver side door speakers.

The 2 runs of power wire, (2ga & 4ga) are ran on the passenger side along with the rem.

I sanded down the chassis and that bracket and got a good solid ground, and it's still doing it. I think im going to try one of those rca noise filters next, maybe that will work?

More pics will be up from todays work soon, they're uploading.

iApex
11-29-2009, 07:36 PM
Did a little tidying today, along with sanding down the frame to make a solid ground. Still getting the speaker whine though, so i guess a RCA noise filter is next.

Cleaned up the connections a little

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Amp%20Board%20and%20Tidy/SDC10864.jpg

Grounds, maybe i'm doing it wrong?

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Amp%20Board%20and%20Tidy/SDC10865.jpg

Cleaned up a little
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Controller for the LED's tucked away and Velcro'ed
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http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Apex360/Amp%20Board%20and%20Tidy/SDC10868.jpg

Box in
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Cardboard for fitting the amp board and getting the proper corners
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BeAlLsTaR13
11-29-2009, 08:59 PM
Grounds are right..what exactly is the noise? How loud and such is it..and what's your plans with the cardboard

iApex
11-29-2009, 09:03 PM
Grounds are right..what exactly is the noise? How loud and such is it..and what's your plans with the cardboard

The noise comes from mostly the tweets i think, when i turn the radio on (car off, or on doesnt make a difference) it sounds like your tuning an old dial radio, like you're trying to find the right frequency. And it just keeps doing it, when the music plays you can't hear it, but any soft spots in the music or when changing songs you can still hear it. not extremely loud, but you can hear it if you're not looking for it


The cardboard is just like a floor plan so i can get the right cuts when I do the plywood tomorrow. The plywood will be carpeted with cutout's above both amps and the x-overs with plexi glass on the bottom side so you can see the amps and x-overs, but all the wiring will be hidden. Just like a false floor.

BeAlLsTaR13
11-29-2009, 09:03 PM
As for your power wire..your best bet would have been to just run 1/0..then ran it
to a distro... Would look cleaner

iApex
11-29-2009, 09:06 PM
As for your power wire..your best bet would have been to just run 1/0..then ran it
to a distro... Would look cleaner
Yeah i wish i would have waited longer to buy the wire, i got that 2ga for $2/ft and i could have picked up some 1/0 for that. But too late now. =[

BeAlLsTaR13
11-29-2009, 09:08 PM
So it's from your highs..not the subs? I had a problem with mine.. It turned out that my RCA cables were touching against stuff behind the hu like metals and the other rcas(they are the ones connected to wires in back of the hu..not built in) and it caused noises.. It could also be the crossover if it's only the tweeters..try connecting them without the crossovers by them selves and see if it does it.. Does it sound fuzzy only when music isn't playing?

iApex
11-29-2009, 09:17 PM
So it's from your highs..not the subs? I had a problem with mine.. It turned out that my RCA cables were touching against stuff behind the hu like metals and the other rcas(they are the ones connected to wires in back of the hu..not built in) and it caused noises.. It could also be the crossover if it's only the tweeters..try connecting them without the crossovers by them selves and see if it does it.. Does it sound fuzzy only when music isn't playing?

Yes it's from the highs. It could very likely be that stupid bracket behind the HU, i got these RCA elbows from radioshack and they could be touching, their metal so, highly likely. I'll try that tomorrow.

it's probably not the x-overs because when the sub amp is disconnected, the noise does not occur. It doesn't sound fuzzy it sounds like a frequency change, it's hard to describe.

BeAlLsTaR13
11-29-2009, 09:19 PM
Well if it doesn't do it when the sub amp is disconnected then well..there's your problem

iApex
11-29-2009, 09:24 PM
Well if it doesn't do it when the sub amp is disconnected then well..there's your problem

Lol yeah, i just don't know what about the sub amp would be causing that kind of problem. I'm thinking it's some kind of feedback from the sub amp going through the RCA's back to the head unit.

manny1337
11-29-2009, 09:35 PM
try some ground loop isolators on the rcas. fixed my wining noise i was gettin =P

BeAlLsTaR13
11-29-2009, 09:35 PM
might be touching eachother behind the HU.. are your grounds on the same spot? might have to try finding a new grounding area.. i know another one


try some ground loop isolators on the rcas. fixed my wining noise i was gettin =P

that just masks the problem.. doesnt solve it

iApex
11-29-2009, 09:49 PM
might be touching eachother behind the HU.. are your grounds on the same spot? might have to try finding a new grounding area.. i know another one



that just masks the problem.. doesnt solve it
Yeah most likely they're touching behind the HU
The grounds were separated and it wasn't any different. Where is the other one?

BeAlLsTaR13
11-29-2009, 09:54 PM
Yeah most likely they're touching behind the HU
The grounds were separated and it wasn't any different. Where is the other one?

well, dunno how easy it will be to explain.. unless youve had to remove the full back seat for some reason (my box is so big in order for me to put it in/take it out i have to remove the full back seat) remove the bottom part of the back seat, and where the rear seat belts hang down theres a removable cushion, with a bolt on the bottom that you remove in order to take it off, right there would be a good ground

sorry, **** job explaining, maybe if i get time tomorrow ill post a pic

BeAlLsTaR13
11-29-2009, 09:55 PM
Yeah most likely they're touching behind the HU
The grounds were separated and it wasn't any different. Where is the other one?

well, dunno how easy it will be to explain.. unless youve had to remove the full back seat for some reason (my box is so big in order for me to put it in/take it out i have to remove the full back seat) remove the bottom part of the back seat, and where the rear seat belts hang down theres a removable cushion, with a bolt on the bottom that you remove in order to take it off, right there would be a good ground(need to remove the bottom of the seat to get to the bolt, well easily

sorry, **** job explaining, maybe if i get time tomorrow ill post a pic

iApex
11-30-2009, 06:17 PM
Bought a RCA ground loop isolator in hopes to solve the hum/whine from the front speakers. It didn't change anything
Didn't get a chance to check the RCA's behind the HU yet.

BeAlLsTaR13
11-30-2009, 08:29 PM
Bought a RCA ground loop isolator in hopes to solve the hum/whine from the front speakers. It didn't change anything
Didn't get a chance to check the RCA's behind the HU yet.

yeah, they only mask the problem anyway. i would check the rcas and get rid of whatever you have on them, maybe their causing it, try it without them.. also try wrapping them tight and in a few layers of electrical tape. thats one thing i did to solve mine

hatedonmostly
11-30-2009, 08:38 PM
Switch the RCAs of the sub amp and comp amp? What does that do?

CranberryYumYum
11-30-2009, 09:24 PM
Switch the RCAs of the sub amp and comp amp? What does that do?

what does that do? that switches the inputs :) but op uh why didn't you try the free stuff first? like switching the rcs cables..

iApex
11-30-2009, 09:39 PM
double post, my b

iApex
11-30-2009, 09:39 PM
yeah, they only mask the problem anyway. i would check the rcas and get rid of whatever you have on them, maybe their causing it, try it without them.. also try wrapping them tight and in a few layers of electrical tape. thats one thing i did to solve mine

It's on the list for tomorrow

Switch the RCAs of the sub amp and comp amp? What does that do?
Trying that tomorrow

what does that do? that switches the inputs :) but op uh why didn't you try the free stuff first? like switching the rcs cables..
I got antsy and assumed the ground loop isolator would solve the problem because because it fits all of the descriptions.
Very stupid decision. I got all my money back though, so all good :)

iApex
12-01-2009, 08:07 PM
Started the amp board today. It's coming along nicely i think.
Still have the speaker whine, it's not from RCA's grounding out behind the HU, i swapped them around and it just made it louder. Ground loop isolator didn't work either.

Now I realized there is a hiss on high volumes on songs that have spots with no music. =/

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BeAlLsTaR13
12-01-2009, 09:19 PM
need to cut the amp holes a little bigger, and straighter :crap:


and thats gonna all be mounted down.. right? including the amps, crossovers and the amp rack?

BeAlLsTaR13
12-01-2009, 09:27 PM
just thought of something..


what are you using as your music source? aux input? i know on mine, that when im using my aux input with my ipod, with NO music playing i get that fuzzy type noise, only when no frequencies are being played..

maybe it's the same case for you? ive never noticed it if i used CDs.. i'll check tomorrow to see if it does it with CD's too, but yeah same thing happens when i use my aux output only when volume is up (isnt audible when volume is lower than like 20 on my HU)

iApex
12-01-2009, 10:04 PM
need to cut the amp holes a little bigger, and straighter :crap:


and thats gonna all be mounted down.. right? including the amps, crossovers and the amp rack?
Some more was done to make them straighter but i didn't get to take any pics of it, the jigsaw didn't like to cut straight at all. Also it isn't that the holes are crooked, the amp was crooked because it's not mounted.

It's not going to be mounted because it will all be mounted to the amp board which is snug in the trunk and will not be moving anywhere.


just thought of something..


what are you using as your music source? aux input? i know on mine, that when im using my aux input with my ipod, with NO music playing i get that fuzzy type noise, only when no frequencies are being played..

maybe it's the same case for you? ive never noticed it if i used CDs.. i'll check tomorrow to see if it does it with CD's too, but yeah same thing happens when i use my aux output only when volume is up (isnt audible when volume is lower than like 20 on my HU)

Ipod cable, not aux cable. I'll try the radio tomorrow but i don't think it will make a difference.

BeAlLsTaR13
12-02-2009, 01:33 PM
Some more was done to make them straighter but i didn't get to take any pics of it, the jigsaw didn't like to cut straight at all. Also it isn't that the holes are crooked, the amp was crooked because it's not mounted.

It's not going to be mounted because it will all be mounted to the amp board which is snug in the trunk and will not be moving anywhere.



Ipod cable, not aux cable. I'll try the radio tomorrow but i don't think it will make a difference.

hmm, maybe it could do the same with direct connection, havnt had one so not sure.. does it do it with CDs? pop one in, put on pause and turn it up

iApex
12-02-2009, 02:44 PM
hmm, maybe it could do the same with direct connection, havnt had one so not sure.. does it do it with CDs? pop one in, put on pause and turn it up

It does it on the radio also. And I don't have a CD player lol. Alpine HU that cost me $350 doesnt even have a CD player.

manny1337
12-02-2009, 02:48 PM
my ida-x100 did the same thing but the ground loops fixed it =/

iApex
12-02-2009, 05:33 PM
my ida-x100 did the same thing but the ground loops fixed it =/

What ground loop? loops? I got that one from radioshack because Bestbuy didn't have any

iApex
12-13-2009, 07:04 PM
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Everything is pretty much done, I might cover the holes with glass next weekend, I haven't decided if it's worth the time yet.
Still have the whine in the speakers lol, but I'm just trying to tune it out of my head lol.

BeAlLsTaR13
12-13-2009, 07:15 PM
looks better

and a lot better than that rats nest :thumbsup:

thorshammer1
12-13-2009, 07:17 PM
Alrighty I have an idea that no one has suggested...I think....

Run your head unit ground to the ground on the highs amp. I know your prolly saying wtf is this guy talking about. Doesnt have to be a monster wire just basic 10-14ga. It has solved or cut in half many an alt wine. :)

manny1337
12-13-2009, 07:21 PM
looking good

BeAlLsTaR13
12-13-2009, 07:22 PM
Alrighty I have an idea that no one has suggested...I think....

Run your head unit ground to the ground on the highs amp. I know your prolly saying wtf is this guy talking about. Doesnt have to be a monster wire just basic 10-14ga. It has solved or cut in half many an alt wine. :)

never thought of that, it may work... ive seen people doing that before

thorshammer1
12-13-2009, 07:23 PM
never thought of that, it may work... ive seen people doing that before

Ive used it myself for some of the Most Stubborn of whines. :D

iApex
12-13-2009, 09:19 PM
looks better

and a lot better than that rats nest :thumbsup:
Thanks


Alrighty I have an idea that no one has suggested...I think....

Run your head unit ground to the ground on the highs amp. I know your prolly saying wtf is this guy talking about. Doesnt have to be a monster wire just basic 10-14ga. It has solved or cut in half many an alt wine. :)
I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the advice


looking good
Thank you. lots of blood, sweat and tears went into this build. I'm happy it's finally done and I don't have to think about it anymore :D

01tundraon6s
12-13-2009, 09:36 PM
I spy red Walmart power fuse??

iApex
12-14-2009, 11:13 AM
I spy red Walmart power fuse??

lol yep. It was from my first install so I just left it and the maxi to power the amp for the highs instead of just running the 2ga back and putting a disto block on, which is probably what I should have done.

BassMechkanic
12-16-2009, 11:32 AM
Alrighty I have an idea that no one has suggested...I think....

Run your head unit ground to the ground on the highs amp. I know your prolly saying wtf is this guy talking about. Doesnt have to be a monster wire just basic 10-14ga. It has solved or cut in half many an alt wine. :)

i do this now with all amp installs, you have to run remote wire, so now i use 2 conductor (speaker wire) for remote & radio ground. this has helped so much on preventing wine.......... if its is a pioneer it probably wont help.

Savag3
12-16-2009, 01:42 PM
probly junk deck

DB-Audio
12-16-2009, 02:29 PM
wow nice install man very clean great job

hatedonmostly
12-16-2009, 02:32 PM
wow nice install man very clean great job

I agree, great job on your first system and what you were working with. :cool:

iApex
12-16-2009, 05:22 PM
i do this now with all amp installs, you have to run remote wire, so now i use 2 conductor (speaker wire) for remote & radio ground. this has helped so much on preventing wine.......... if its is a pioneer it probably wont help.
You seen the deck lol you know it's not a pioneer. Well at least you should ;P. You might have forgotten if you have had a lot of business though.

Running that ground wire back is on my things to do list for the weekend.

probly junk deck
I suppose if you consider a brand new Alpine iDA-x100 a "junk deck". then yes it is a junk deck.


wow nice install man very clean great job

Thank you

I agree, great job on your first system and what you were working with. :cool:
Thank you, some people just can't understand that everyone has to start somewhere. They expect people who have never had any experience with something to turn out professional work and that is simply impossible. I am a fan of constructive criticism because I believe it makes people learn from mistakes but everyone doesnt have to be so rude about it.
Not so much to me but i see senior members bashing new members on this site all the time, reminds me of the Seniors bullying the Freshmen in high school :D. Thanks for the compliment I appreciate you understanding where i'm coming from.

pieper88
12-16-2009, 10:48 PM
no gonna lie, i thought this gonna be a disaster when you first started but it turned out pretty solid. good work