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mjbailey21
11-25-2009, 10:58 PM
Hey All-
Tried to research and look it up but I don't really know how to "search" for this question. Maybe you can help me.

I recently purchased a Sax 125.2 to go with a pair of Image Dynamics 65CTXcs. The headunit is a Pioneer 450UB (or something similar).

Only problem is, I can't figure out how to get some bass out of the speakers. I know these aren't subs, but I have no lows! The highs sounds good and mids sound pretty good but I am lacking lows/beats!

On the amp, I set it to "full" instead of HPF or LPF. What else am I supposed to do?

Thanks to all who help.

mjbailey21
11-26-2009, 12:50 AM
plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz help bump

Johnny Law.Lulz
11-26-2009, 12:55 AM
How low are you looking, shouldnt be playing any less than like 70 so i think your expecting too much.

Sir-Lancelot
11-26-2009, 12:55 AM
How are they installed.
Sealing door holes and sound deadener helps mid bass a bunch. More tham anything else you could do.

I would set the amp to 60 if you have subs.

Side Show
11-26-2009, 01:10 AM
OMG, set your hpf on your deck

mjbailey21
11-26-2009, 01:14 AM
lol thx guys taken care of!

perfecxionX
11-26-2009, 01:33 AM
what turned out to be the cause of the problem?

Louisiana_CRX
11-26-2009, 01:35 AM
what turned out to be the cause of the problem?

x2

mjbailey21
11-26-2009, 01:36 AM
I'm actually working on a paper right now, so I haven't done anything yet :rolleyes:.

I think it is something to do with the radios HPF settings, as well as a few people telling me I should look into that as well..
I well let you all know if that doesn't work out!

mr.michael
11-26-2009, 01:37 AM
lol mystery

mjbailey21
11-26-2009, 02:20 PM
OMG, set your hpf on your deck

OMG OMG OMG!

mjbailey21
11-26-2009, 02:21 PM
Still can't seem to figure it out, I've changed the HPF like the OMG guy above told me to do but that didn't help much.

Go2Sleep
11-26-2009, 02:29 PM
are the mids even moving? take a vid and upload it here

Horsemanwill
11-26-2009, 10:44 PM
How are they installed.
Sealing door holes and sound deadener helps mid bass a bunch. More tham anything else you could do.

how do you have them installed?

Sir-Lancelot
11-26-2009, 10:59 PM
how do you have them installed?

Doors holes sealed and deadened with Damp Pro. 3/4" MDF rings and non hardening clay. About the only thing I did not do that was done on this thread http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95925 was to add the foam behind the mid.

Horsemanwill
11-26-2009, 11:02 PM
are u using the crossovers they came with? tell me about the install. i know a lil bit about ID stuff

Sir-Lancelot
11-26-2009, 11:49 PM
I am trying to figure out what are your questions leading up to?
This is not my thread.

To answer your question, yes I am using the passive xover right now with the exact same comps the OP has. Yukon XL, have a RF T3002 sending a little over 200w to each side. Have been installed for roughly 1-2 months. Bought them to see if I liked them before I purchased the more expensive XS line. The CTX are good for what they are, a nice budget component set with a nice tweeter. They actually surprised me for the price and they will be installed into my wifes car when I change them out. So one fo the many that I am not disappointed with the purchase.

I really wanted to run passive, but I do not think its going to happen as I have been through quite a few sets of comps and none are giving me what I am looking for. I feel that I need some larger format 8" drivers. Reason I have not done so already is because I am OCD and I will never be able to leave an active xover alone.

If you want to give me some advice, I am all ears and would appreciate it. I can even start my own thread and put up some pics of my install, but lets not crap OP's tread. This is about him and his questions.

pm me or email me from my profile if you want.

altoncustomtech
11-26-2009, 11:56 PM
Hey All-
Tried to research and look it up but I don't really know how to "search" for this question. Maybe you can help me.

I recently purchased a Sax 125.2 to go with a pair of Image Dynamics 65CTXcs. The headunit is a Pioneer 450UB (or something similar).

Only problem is, I can't figure out how to get some bass out of the speakers. I know these aren't subs, but I have no lows! The highs sounds good and mids sound pretty good but I am lacking lows/beats!

On the amp, I set it to "full" instead of HPF or LPF. What else am I supposed to do?

Thanks to all who help.


Double check you're wiring.... you could have one of the mids hooked up out of phase....... a quick check is to roll your balance from left to right and see if the sound improves...... if it does then you definitely have one out of phase..... that's where I'd start....

Louisiana_CRX
11-27-2009, 01:21 AM
maybe you have a phase problem...that can make a big difference on your mid bass

mjbailey21
11-27-2009, 11:07 AM
I am pretty sure the wiring is all correct. When I mess with the fade, everything sounds fine.

As far as the install, its a pretty normal install. Doors are not deadened but that is not the problem I hear. Its not an issue of sound quality so much as I'm pretty sure settings aren't allowing much bass to flow.

Horsemanwill
11-27-2009, 12:52 PM
I am trying to figure out what are your questions leading up to?
This is not my thread.

To answer your question, yes I am using the passive xover right now with the exact same comps the OP has. Yukon XL, have a RF T3002 sending a little over 200w to each side. Have been installed for roughly 1-2 months. Bought them to see if I liked them before I purchased the more expensive XS line. The CTX are good for what they are, a nice budget component set with a nice tweeter. They actually surprised me for the price and they will be installed into my wifes car when I change them out. So one fo the many that I am not disappointed with the purchase.

I really wanted to run passive, but I do not think its going to happen as I have been through quite a few sets of comps and none are giving me what I am looking for. I feel that I need some larger format 8" drivers. Reason I have not done so already is because I am OCD and I will never be able to leave an active xover alone.

If you want to give me some advice, I am all ears and would appreciate it. I can even start my own thread and put up some pics of my install, but lets not crap OP's tread. This is about him and his questions.

pm me or email me from my profile if you want.

its not nice to thread jack start u own thread

mike11202
11-27-2009, 12:54 PM
seal the holes in the door and theyll give you what you want

Macklessdaddy
11-27-2009, 05:42 PM
seal the holes in the door and theyll give you what you want

he is getting NO midbass at all and you think sealing a hole/holes is gonna do the trick.:rolleyes:

mjbailey21
11-27-2009, 06:32 PM
he is getting NO midbass at all and you think sealing a hole/holes is gonna do the trick.:rolleyes:

thank you, i didn't want to be the one to say this :rolleyes:

mjbailey21
11-29-2009, 03:39 PM
bump bump

I am using the crossovers that came with the amp--- i believe.
I know these guys can produce more midbass!!

They were installed properly by Todd Zier, I'm 99% sure thats not the cause. I put the amp settings on full but I am not sure how to correspond settings on the radio? ie. HPF? etc..

Hoodlum007
11-29-2009, 03:42 PM
Sounds like a tuning issue on the crossover on the amp and or HU.

Horsemanwill
11-29-2009, 04:03 PM
as i said before if your expecting to get "lows" out of the 6.5 your expecting to much those are midbass speakers. you said the mids and highs are fine but u want lows then u need to add a sub.

Toone
11-29-2009, 04:11 PM
your prolly expecting too much. bass is what a substage is for :)

mjbailey21
11-29-2009, 08:50 PM
Sounds like a tuning issue on the crossover on the amp and or HU.

I'll work on it, I think this is the issue.

Thanks for the comments all.

mjbailey21
11-29-2009, 09:00 PM
as i said before if your expecting to get "lows" out of the 6.5 your expecting to much those are midbass speakers. you said the mids and highs are fine but u want lows then u need to add a sub.

yes perhaps, but I still think there should be a little bit more "bass" then these are producing. It's not like I'm talking about bass that even an 8" would produce... just some bass.

MBrock4u
11-29-2009, 11:33 PM
Humm, I am running those image dynamics for front stage. They are outstanding to say the least. I get plenty of mid bass from them, they are crystal clear and very loud. I am using the crossovers that came with them. I have no complaints about these components. Something sure doesn't seem right if you're not getting bass from these puppies! Guess it is time to do some homework in diagnostics to get the root of the problem there. GOOD LUCK!

Horsemanwill
11-29-2009, 11:34 PM
no actually a mid speaker is not made to produce bass at all if you want bass you need a woofer/subwoofer. not a mid

MBrock4u
11-29-2009, 11:40 PM
Correct! I ment mid bass.

mjbailey21
11-30-2009, 07:08 PM
I changed the amp settings to "full" instead of hpf or lpf; turned HPF OFF on the radio; and messed around a little with the radio settings and it seems to produce closer to the sound I was looking for.

eharri3
11-30-2009, 07:46 PM
Without more cone area and an enclosure you can get but so much. I have hertz HSKs, used to have Eclipse components. Something's gotta give, can't have your cake and eat it too. Dial back on the gain or volume dial and they will probably go a bit lower than what they are now without reaching their mechanical limits. Dial the gain in to give them full power and more or run it full blast, and MAYBE if you deaden the doors well 60-65 HZ and clean is doable. Without good door prep 70-80HZ may be your lower limits. I am not quite sure how you tolerate them full range, must be some incredible mids. Every set of normal 6.5s that Ive ever tried to run full range sounded like crap at anything above moderate volume on bass-heavy music but not horrible on instrumental stuff.

Alot of people mix up the meaning of bass and midbass when they're even trying to explain what they want. They 'say' they are lacking midbass when what they really want is for their front stage to thump like it has a sub, and I bet if you listened to most peoples' setups who pose this kind of question they're probably getting about as much as they can reasonably expect out of their front stage as it's installed. Unless you invest in a REALLY good install and tuning most 6.5 mid range/midbass drivers can't be expected to go too much lower than the 'attack' portion of the bass beat which fools our ears into thinking that the whole beat is coming from up front. The 'reverbration' portion of the bass beat is where they will start to struggle if not designed, tuned, and installed to go really low. If you're not getting both of those aspects of the bass beat all you're getting is a sharp thud without any life or depth to it. Less noticable in instrumentals that don't really go that low but more apparent in rap where the bass beats tend to reach much lower frequency ranges.

Had a friend with some 6.5 inch subs. Still nothing like a big sub but it surprised me how low they could go in a proper enclosure. But these were specifically designed drivers made for a certain range of frequencies put in an enclosure so they did a better job of it than a 6.5 midbass/mid range in an otherwise unmodified door. Why do you not want a sub. And who told you your lack of deadening is not the problem. Add mass to them panels so your midbass frequencies are not turned into wasteful sheetmetal vibrations.

lyttleviet
12-01-2009, 02:27 AM
make sure its tuned correctly on the amp and the radio. That driver should give u some decent midbass.