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dewbie
08-20-2009, 11:29 PM
Im running a 12'' type R in a 1ft sealed box, with a MRP-M500, first off it's the 1222D so it's wired to 4 ohms...

It sounds pretty bad, it doesn't bump real hard at all and the sub seems to be really stressed out at semi-low volumes and bass levels... It almost sounds like it's going to blow if i don't turn the bass down sometimes, i'm thinking it's the box that is the problem but more knowledgable input would be great...

long story short, the sub seems to flex way too much and isn't real loud at all, sounds like it's going to blow.

New box suggestions would also be great... i was looking at the free box plans...

thank you guys for reading and for any input i do appreciate it!

:)

pbnj22
08-20-2009, 11:30 PM
run that thing ported all day

kyleorsini
08-20-2009, 11:41 PM
is bass boost, and gains wide open on the amp? if so your probly sending it a clipped signal.

dewbie
08-20-2009, 11:43 PM
Gain is 3/4 and bass EQ is a little over half.

M@nJo
08-20-2009, 11:46 PM
you're making it as if it sounds like its an Sony Xplode woofer.

I heard the 12" alpine type-r run off 300w in a 1 cu ft sealed and it sounds great with hip-hop and trance music. The output isn't the best (mainly due to low wattage). Check and make sure the amp settings are adjusted accordingly and that the box has no leaks

Ryan1126
08-20-2009, 11:46 PM
your first problem is that its a type-r

Alpine4life89
08-20-2009, 11:49 PM
i ran mine in a sealed pre fab 1 cf box before for a few days off 1,000 watts, and it didn't get loud at all. You couldn't even feel it when the lows hit.

I hope that makes you feel better. CHANGE THE BOX!

dewbie
08-20-2009, 11:52 PM
your first problem is that its a type-r

I don't think this is the problem...:rolleyes:

Lakota
08-20-2009, 11:59 PM
They can sound great in sealed boxes and they can create a ton of SPL in ported boxes. Make sure you're sending the sub a clean signal. I get the impression that a ported box will better fit your style.

Alpine4life89
08-20-2009, 11:59 PM
btw, single sub setups are for *******.

Lakota
08-21-2009, 12:02 AM
btw, single sub setups are for *******.

You would change your mind if you heard something that was loud:laugh:

mazdakid
08-21-2009, 12:04 AM
btw, single sub setups are for *******.

:crying:

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 12:11 AM
btw, single sub setups are for *******.

i guarantee my 1 15 is louder than your 2 12" alpines

chaunb3400
08-21-2009, 12:14 AM
btw, single sub setups are for getting pu$$y.

Fixed

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 12:14 AM
i guarantee my 1 15 is louder than your 2 12" alpines

maybe....wanna post a vid?

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 12:15 AM
btw, single sub setups are for *******.

My single sub set-up will buttrape yours....

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 12:18 AM
My single sub set-up will buttrape yours....

dam right we would your DD 9512 and my DD 9515 he has no chance and both in mustangs hahaha

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 12:20 AM
dam right we would your DD 9512 and my DD 9515 he has no chance and both in mustangs hahaha

prove it.

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 12:33 AM
post a vid if you are going to talk ****.

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 12:36 AM
a vid dont anything #s prove it all and sunday i will let you know what i am hitting with my new amp

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 12:36 AM
Go put in twistedchild420 in youtube...i got 57 vids and 43 subcribers.....is that enough?

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 12:38 AM
By the way Alpine...what numbers you puttin up on the TL?

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 12:38 AM
what kind of #s you putting up with thoes 2 12's

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 12:40 AM
Go put in twistedchild420 in youtube...i got 57 vids and 43 subcribers.....is that enough?

i don't know how to look up peoples profiles

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 12:41 AM
what kind of #s you putting up with thoes 2 12's

Lol,same question

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 12:42 AM
:waycrazy:
i don't know how to look up peoples profiles

Lakota
08-21-2009, 12:43 AM
My scores with single subs:
Type R 15 : 151 @ headrest, 152+ in kick panel
Mach 5 SPL12 : 149 @ headrest, 150+ in kick panel
Will have more in the future.

I have posted scores in MECA and videos to prove it.
If you can't get a single sub loud then that's your problem.

JimJ
08-21-2009, 12:44 AM
It sounds pretty bad,

They tend to do that :fyi:

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 12:47 AM
:waycrazy:

i didn't see any **** vids of the setup in your sig. Why don't you just post a link.

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 12:47 AM
If you can't get a single sub loud then that's your problem.

This

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 12:50 AM
My scores with single subs:
Type R 15 : 151 @ headrest, 152+ in kick panel
Mach 5 SPL12 : 149 @ headrest, 150+ in kick panel
Will have more in the future.

I have posted scores in MECA and videos to prove it.
If you can't get a single sub loud then that's your problem.


Here is a good point that 1 sub will kill alot of 2 sub systems

He brought this apon him self and he is making him self look dumb as *&LL

And if im right there is a world record being held with 1 DD 15 ...180 DB i might be rong but i think that is pretty dam loud haha

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 12:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYkJ2PZ25D4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NQCEU44Quc

And this 8" is probally louder......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxdEzMnhYx0

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 12:54 AM
Here is a good point that 1 sub will kill alot of 2 sub systems

He brought this apon him self and he is making him self look dumb as *&LL

And if im right there is a world record being held with 1 DD 15 ...180 DB i might be rong but i think that is pretty dam loud haha

All very true but it was 1 DD18z

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 12:56 AM
All very true but it was 1 DD18z

ya i ment 18 i dont know why i put 15 i was probly thinking about my 15 o well every 1 knows the record and knew what i ment thanks for correct n my F up tho

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 12:58 AM
im sure a DD3500s can beat them type r's

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:00 AM
im sure a DD3500s can beat them type r's

Agreed...hell probally 2500s

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:01 AM
man i wanna upgrade to the 3500s. would i need a batt, or would the big 3 hold it up good? i got a crap *** civic :\

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 01:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYkJ2PZ25D4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NQCEU44Quc

And this 8" is probally louder......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxdEzMnhYx0

none of those videos were very impressive. What are you hitting with that?

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:07 AM
man i wanna upgrade to the 3500s. would i need a batt, or would the big 3 hold it up good? i got a crap *** civic :\

Depends on how much power your gonna run,start with the Big 3,which should be good for at least 1400(depends on how ****** your alt and front battery are also) if you still have heavy voltage drops....get another battery

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:07 AM
son, type r's hit 1000 rms. 3500s hit a good 1200rms. 4800 max. and they can take 2200 easy. get over it. DD > Type R's

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:08 AM
Depends on how much power your gonna run,start with the Big 3,which should be good for at least 1400(depends on how ****** your alt and front battery are also) if you still have heavy voltage drops....get another battery

i'm thinkin a DD3515. and i'll make me a new box. i have no idea what amp i'd use to power it though. i want one that would hit 2k.. maybe a little less.

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 01:08 AM
im still wait n 4 u to tell us what you are hitting on TL

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 01:09 AM
son, type r's hit 1000 rms. 3500s hit a good 1200rms. 4800 max. and they can take 2200 easy. get over it. DD > Type R's

are you ****ing retarded? We are comparing one DD to 2 type r's. Ever heard of cone area, it makes a difference.

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 01:10 AM
im still wait n 4 u to tell us what you are hitting on TL

i have never gotten mine metered, because there is no place around here that does it.

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:10 AM
none of those videos were very impressive. What are you hitting with that?

Honestly..how much can those vids really prove,my camera has horrible framerate and computer speakers pick up d!ck when it comes to bass(unless you have surround sound) but yeah.....144.5 in the kick sealed on the TL,peaking at 45,new box build on the way with aeros,so i only get louder from here.....what about you?

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:10 AM
are you ****ing retarded? We are comparing one DD to 2 type r's. Ever heard of cone area, it makes a difference.

the fcuk about cone area. either way. DD wins.

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:12 AM
are you ****ing retarded? We are comparing one DD to 2 type r's. Ever heard of cone area, it makes a difference.

In this case it doesn't

gboo559
08-21-2009, 01:13 AM
1 DD 1512 off of 1k alpine pdx is louder than 1 12" type r with the same amp.
I have seen the results before and on the TL the difference was about 2db.

So a 9500 would **** on 2 type r's if fed right power and box.

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 01:15 AM
Hell ya DD will always win

With the amp i had in there which is was a POS (Quantium 4000) i hit a 140.3 im going to a comp this weekend to see what im hitting with my DD M3 on my 15 now im hoping for a 145 and hopefully next week i will have my new box made and put that in there and see how i do

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:15 AM
1 DD 1512 off of 1k alpine pdx is louder than 1 12" type r with the same amp.
I have seen the results before and on the TL the difference was about 2db.

So a 9500 would **** on 2 type r's if fed right power and box.

Also this

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:17 AM
fcuk. everyone on this **** forum has the 9500's. now i feel like a pooosy if i get the 3500s. :\ but i don't have the amount of money them 9500s. :[[[[[

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:21 AM
fcuk. everyone on this **** forum has the 9500's. now i feel like a pooosy if i get the 3500s. :\ but i don't have the amount of money them 9500s. :[[[[[

I bought my 9512 cheap from here,just keep your eye open,guy is sellin one here now for 300$+shipping.... http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409608&highlight=dd+9512 there ya go

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 01:22 AM
installation makes a huge difference on how both subs will perform. You can't just say that 1 DD can **** on two type r's just based on how many watts it is getting.

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 01:22 AM
fcuk. everyone on this **** forum has the 9500's. now i feel like a pooosy if i get the 3500s. :\ but i don't have the amount of money them 9500s. :[[[[[

there are so many people selling the 9500 on here im sure you can pick one up for cheap

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:23 AM
I bought my 9512 cheap from here,just keep your eye open,guy is sellin one here now for 300$+shipping.... http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409608&highlight=dd+9512 there ya go

hot ****! thanks a lot bro. what motor do u have on ur 9512?
and what amp u runnin?

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 01:24 AM
i'll post a video tomorrow. because the ones i have now ****.

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:24 AM
there are so many people selling the 9500 on here im sure you can pick one up for cheap

yeah. but usually everyone that selling their 9500 is old old old. i want a fresh one thats at most 6 months old if not younger.

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 01:26 AM
installation makes a huge difference on how both subs will perform. You can't just say that 1 DD can **** on two type r's just based on how many watts it is getting.

If you were smart u would admit that you F'ed up say n S*** about 1 sub systems are for ******* because there are alot of people on this site that will not agree with you and will give you #'s to prove you rong

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:27 AM
installation makes a huge difference on how both subs will perform. You can't just say that 1 DD can **** on two type r's just based on how many watts it is getting.

Point blank we are talking sub vs. subs and a single 9500 anything is louder than 2 type r's,i was at a Usaci comp sunday,know how many alpine subs i saw vs. DD? Not 1 Alpine, And to the OP ....sorry but.............. http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z73/redthorns52/emotes/ththreadjacked.gif

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:29 AM
hot ****! thanks a lot bro. what motor do u have on ur 9512?
and what amp u runnin?

Check sig

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 01:29 AM
i'll post a video tomorrow. because the ones i have now ****.

Vids do not prove anything just because u can make you sub move doesnt mean it is loud i can make mine move and bottom it out do you think that it is hitting a 150 #s say it all not Vids

gboo559
08-21-2009, 01:29 AM
A 1512 was louder than 1 type r installed by same person, same car, same power, and same box.

So in my friend's case installation wasn't a problem.

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:31 AM
Check sig

hot shiets. how much did your batt cost you?

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:34 AM
hot shiets. how much did your batt cost you?

Free,good friend of mine

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:36 AM
lol lucky mufugger. and u have all 0g wiring?

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 01:37 AM
Point blank we are talking sub vs. subs and a single 9500 anything is louder than 2 type r's,i was at a Usaci comp sunday,know how many alpine subs i saw vs. DD? Not 1 Alpine, And to the OP ....sorry but.............. http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z73/redthorns52/emotes/ththreadjacked.gif

this logic makes no sense. I can get 2 type r's louder of 500 watts than i can 1 off 1,500. You are thinking that power = everything, and it doesn't work that way.

9515ROB
08-21-2009, 01:37 AM
thats my next investment 3 battereys a 2000 under the hood and 2 2400 in back

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:37 AM
lol lucky mufugger. and u have all 0g wiring?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8y43eK8vng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NQCEU44Quc

twistedchild420
08-21-2009, 01:38 AM
this logic makes no sense. I can get 2 type r's louder of 500 watts than i can 1 off 1,500. You are thinking that power = everything, and it doesn't work that way.

no dummy the subs !

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 01:44 AM
no dummy the subs !

your logic still makes no sense.

gboo559
08-21-2009, 01:47 AM
How about this.
Go buy yourself a DD9512.
Build a nice box for it.
Feed it 2k and then come back here and say it's not louder than your current setup with 2 type r's.

I'm not saying alpine ***** but I would NEVER pay more than 75 for a type r.
It's a good budget sub.

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 01:51 AM
How about this.
Go buy yourself a DD9512.
Build a nice box for it.
Feed it 2k and then come back here and say it's not louder than your current setup with 2 type r's.

I'm not saying alpine ***** but I would NEVER pay more than 75 for a type r.
It's a good budget sub.

:toast:

MasonSS
08-21-2009, 01:54 AM
rofl @ twistedchild420's avi.


anyway


Just gettin into this car audio bullsh!t


will my mach 5 IXL 12" and AQ1200D set up in a 1.8 CC ported box be louder than OP's type R?

curious

i think its about time to get an avi. brb.

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 02:11 AM
i wish i knew how loud my system was. If somebody can do a 150 with a single 15 type r, then i should be doing that in my car right now considering i have a 500 watt front stage on 4 speakers, and 2 12's.

I don't have a clue how loud anything is though, so i couldn't even guess how loud mine is.

gboo559
08-21-2009, 02:15 AM
LOL. I THINK the person that did a 150 burped it and was powering it off a zx2500. Which can do more than double what your hifonics does.

dafobbishon3
08-21-2009, 02:19 AM
i wish i knew how loud my system was. If somebody can do a 150 with a single 15 type r, then i should be doing that in my car right now considering i have a 500 watt front stage on 4 speakers, and 2 12's.

I don't have a clue how loud anything is though, so i couldn't even guess how loud mine is.

maybe a type x. idk about a type r.

gboo559
08-21-2009, 02:22 AM
^^ nope it was a 15" type r powered by a zx2500 modded to 1 ohm. 152db.
Its on youtube.

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 03:00 AM
LOL. I THINK the person that did a 150 burped it and was powering it off a zx2500. Which can do more than double what your hifonics does.


Jesus dude. Doubling your power isn't nearly as effective as doubling your cone area.

I can give one of my alpines 1,000 watts, and achieve the same output, if not more with both of them only given 500 watts total.

Alpine4life89
08-21-2009, 03:00 AM
maybe a type x. idk about a type r.

type r's are just as loud as type x's.

dewbie
08-21-2009, 05:32 PM
i see... thanks.