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bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 01:15 AM
Alright I need to vent and also throw some info out there. I do not mind if you have had no problems with your pioneer or that you swear by them. Here is what I have to say.

Started out installing car audio back in like 1998 installed my first system in a 1996 Honda civic. The head unit was a pioneer 9800 I believe. 3 months after the install was done the cd stopped ejecting. It was under warranty so it was sent in, they found nothing wrong with it. Put it back in 4 weeks later the same thing but we still kept it. It was junk. Second one was in a buddy's VW the face plate was faulty, sent it back the new one the internal amp failed after 2 days of use. I get my very first car I install a pioneer deck. Wining alternator noise threw the speakers like crazy, and it just didn't work right. So I sent it back and got a alpine installed it not one hint of any problems ever. In 2008 I did a double din install for a guy and the unit never worked right and never allowed you to watch videos even with the proper parking brake bypass. So fast forward to 2009. I decide to give pioneer another chance with there premier lineup. So I trade a guy for a Premier Pioneer P880PRS. Worked fine except that wining noise was back. So a guy wanted to trade for a alpine deck I was all for it. So I sent mine to him very well packed and in perfect working condition. He gets it the thing overheats and the cd dose not eject all the way. I just talked to a few installers and the cd problem is very common on all pioneer decks. Pioneer has lost there touch and tehre quality as well. So I am done with them anyone wants to ask me about them I am going to tell them straight up there junk and I will never own another thing from them for as long as I am installing them in my car. They are junk and my choice is Alpine.


Yes I mad:furious:

infamous_e46
08-06-2009, 01:19 AM
jvc isnt bad

bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 01:20 AM
jvc isnt bad

Ya from what I have heard there starting to come up in quality.

Ignatowski
08-06-2009, 08:06 AM
pioneer is junk IMO....

iamamp3pimp
08-06-2009, 08:23 AM
i like mine, but the cd skips long before the alpine deck i had

audioarsonal
08-06-2009, 08:26 AM
I have 2 pioneers without any problems.Have installed quite a few with minimal problems,but nothing I couldn't fix.
In fact my N1 plays just fine at 152@30hz :D

bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 08:31 AM
pioneer is junk IMO....

100% with you on that

soundstreamer
08-06-2009, 08:33 AM
I just installed a new Pioneer deck that I can't go over 148 db without it skipping. I never had problems with any other Pioneer deck though...just this one.

bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 08:46 AM
I just look at it this way I am not going to change your mind and the same applies for me chaining yours. I am just voicing my opinion and my decision never to try them again unless someone else wants one.

alpine_freak32
08-06-2009, 08:53 AM
I just installed a new Pioneer deck that I can't go over 148 db without it skipping. I never had problems with any other Pioneer deck though...just this one.

That must be the new "disturbing the peace limiter" that comes standard with the headunit nowadays ;)

5dollapizza
08-06-2009, 09:05 AM
eclipse ftw. check out their decks

grimreper912003
08-06-2009, 11:20 AM
Iv installed quite a few pioneers but no real problems. I will say after installing alpines, kenwoods, jvc's and panasonics they aren't the best interfaces.

twistedchild420
08-06-2009, 11:22 AM
Had a pioneer deck(the one with the dolphins and monster truck onscreen) back in 04',and after removing the faceplate too many times within a couple months the display stopped working right,the cheap connector prongs failed quick!

tsupra98
08-06-2009, 11:24 AM
sounds like you have had some bad luck!

Grinder1989
08-06-2009, 11:26 AM
I would trust a panasonic over a pioneer. Eclipse ftw.

banginout
08-06-2009, 11:29 AM
I've been doen with pioneer since I installed my first system....Pure sh*t....Then i found Kenwood Excelon and it's been love ever since....There is no better quality HU on the market for the past several years as Kenwood...They have been in every one of my 6 cars....even my last Kenwood got fried from a crappy Metra wiring harness and I bought the same exact Kenwood again!

TurdFergueson2
08-06-2009, 11:32 AM
Cool story Bro..... But I am really starting to like Eclipse decks. I was having issues with my 800PRS. It would not eject the face or power up. What I ended up doing was cleaning off the leads and I haven't had an issue with it since.

andrewmoore13
08-06-2009, 11:43 AM
I love the Eclipse decks.

I ran a Pioneer Premier DEH 680MP for awhile and it was great until I hooked it up to an amp and got the infamous Pioneer alt whine issue. Stupid pico fuses.

Sold it to my buddy who wasn't using an external amp and it's still sounds good.

I won't deal with Pioneer simply because of the alt whine problems.

I went from that Pioneer to an Alpine CDA-9887 and loved that unit as well. It had a bunch of awesome features... Kinda wish I still had it. Switched from that to the Eclipse CD7000 which still stands as my favorite HU to date. Unfortunately I traded that for a Kenwood Excelon XXV-01D + cash. Don't get me wrong the Kenwood is awesome with all the settings and changeable EQ and X-overs. I just can't stand fidgeting with a HU for 3 weeks to get the right sound out of it. :(

My next HU will either be the iVA-W505 I have been waiting VERY patiently for or the new Eclipse AVN-762e.

I'm heavily leaning towards the Eclipse.

FOSGATE JOE
08-06-2009, 11:53 AM
I have had my share of problems with pioneer too:verymad:cd player not opening, lol but I still love the premier line:crazy:

the Answer
08-06-2009, 12:14 PM
iv had my pioneer 3900mp for over a year and iv never had a single problem with it. i love the eq and x over on it:)

jz976
08-06-2009, 12:17 PM
kenwoooodd.....

bhsdriller
08-06-2009, 12:24 PM
never had any problems with my pioneer

ciaonzo
08-06-2009, 12:28 PM
I have had my share of problems with pioneer too:verymad: lol but I still love the premier line:crazy:

Now that's true love, lol. Sounds like you're talking about a marriage.




I've been a hardcore Clarion guy since day one and I bought my first Pioneer (800PRS) a year ago. No problems as of yet and I love the feature set.

jmanpc
08-06-2009, 12:38 PM
My Clarion is going on 5 years and is still going strong. I'd still put it up against any other active deck out there. I know, it doesn't do Bluetooth or iPod, but it does exactly what I need it to do... sound good. No whine issues, no ejecting issues, no faceplate issues, no touchscreen issues, nothing.

chaunb3400
08-06-2009, 12:41 PM
If you dont no what your doing, u shouldnt use higher end pioneer products ;)

Saint211
08-06-2009, 12:44 PM
I love pioneer and have always used them. I have a DEH-7700mp from I think 05 thats been through tons of use and abuse and it still works well. Has good audio control and a voltmeter built in thats accurate to within -1/+1 tenth of a volt. I can get a newer version for cheap but I cant let this one go.

mikem355
08-06-2009, 12:48 PM
you've been installng car audio since you were 10:crazy:

snb778
08-06-2009, 12:50 PM
higher end kenwood ftw... they have soooo many tuning options

Ryan1126
08-06-2009, 12:55 PM
i had a pioneer deck, blew the rca grounds and i had to ground them to the chassis it pissed me off, ill never run pioneer again, ill never run anything other than the alpine cda series.

BoxdGM
08-06-2009, 12:57 PM
my 7600 had a problem with the connections on the face plate where it wouldnt turn on but i would put a very light amount of dielectric grease and it worked fine for about 6 months then id have to re apply it. ive had that one since like 03-04 and it still works, gave it to my friend but the display wont light up anymore but he hasnt put any grease on the connections since i gave it to him a few years ago.

currently i have an 8600 but it wont turn on sometimes unless you wiggle the faceplate

Flipx99
08-06-2009, 12:59 PM
I have had nothing but Pioneer and no issues.

dr_peeb
08-06-2009, 01:08 PM
If you dont no what your doing, u shouldnt use higher end pioneer products ;)

If you have to be Super Audio Man is it really worth it?

dr_peeb
08-06-2009, 01:11 PM
I just look at it this way I am not going to change your mind and the same applies for me chaining yours. I am just voicing my opinion and my decision never to try them again unless someone else wants one.

So you're not gonna change my mind and you're not gonna change my mind? :D

ejschultz
08-06-2009, 01:49 PM
So you're not gonna change my mind and you're not gonna change my mind? :D

I cought that too.

I've been a hard core Alpine fan for as long as I can remember. Even before I started driving, I'd read about all the different HUs out there and I always started looking at the Alpines. I'd like to say my first love with them was the 7998, then models like the 9813, 9815, 9833, and 9835. I've never owned any of them, I just read about them and wished I could afford them, even though I had no car to put one in. The first HU I bought was an Alpine 9853. It was a great unit. The only problem I had with it was the face stopped opening. I guess they had a lot of issues with these when they first came out. Best Buy gave me another one under warranty. I replaced that with the 9855 when I added my 4 channel amp about 3 years ago. That remained in my car until about 2 or 3 months ago. I picked up a couple of older, cheaper Alpines for my trucks. I used the 7828, 9807, and 9827 in my S10. The 7828 was replaced with the 9807 because it stopped reading CDs. The 9807 was replaced with the 9827 because the source button quit working. The 9827 is still going strong in my cousins car. The only Alpine I'd like to get my hands on as of right now would be the DVA-9965. The 9887 does not impress me for the price. I love my 800PRS. This is currently in my car and I put the 9855 in my truck. There's a burned in image on the 9855, but that's the only gripe I have with that. It's not noticeable until you put it into blackout mode. I've had no issues with the 800PRS so far (knock on wood). I'm not concerned about the pico fuse as I do not plan on unhooking it while it's on. This unit is my first time straying from Alpine where I've had the choice to do so. Sorry for the long *** story.

chaunb3400
08-06-2009, 01:51 PM
If you have to be Super Audio Man is it really worth it?

Just use common sense and you will be fine, the pico fuse doesnt blow on its own ;)

ejschultz
08-06-2009, 01:53 PM
Just use common sense and you will be fine, the pico fuse doesnt blow on its own ;)

Exactly. This is what no one seems to understand. It's also fixable once you blow it too. It's an easy, cheap fix.

bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 02:02 PM
I love that I am reading hit and miss stories about pioneer but bottom line there unreliable. Also I never blew my picto fuse just had noise.

ejschultz
08-06-2009, 02:05 PM
I love that I am reading hit and miss stories about pioneer but bottom line there unreliable. Also I never blew my picto fuse just had noise.

My 800PRS has less noise than any of my Alpines had. That's the main reason I tried something different. That Ai-Net connection on the Alpines *****.

magnumsrt8215
08-06-2009, 02:52 PM
Its funny this topic has come up, I have an avic n1 that i bought new and it failed on me about a month ago. certain buttons on the face would periodically stop working and then 1 day it wouldnt power up so i sent it out to be fix it just came back yesterday and now my steering wheel control dont work so guess what? Tuesday its going to be shipped out again. Then i come across an n2 also yesterday potentially free and it doesnt work either so i gave it back. So what is going on with Pioneer?

ricoshay
08-06-2009, 03:03 PM
i've had at least 10 Pioneer/premier units...i finally give up too. I like old school rides, so the ground noise is a MAJOR issue..+ i just snatched out my 2nd problematic dehp860mp. i loved the pioneer adjustments, but i just run alpine now.

eutechnyx
08-06-2009, 03:04 PM
F*K a cd,IPOD FTW no skipping and if u get a long enough cord u can roll the windows up and do your burping!

dr_peeb
08-06-2009, 03:13 PM
i've had at least 10 Pioneer/premier units...i finally give up too. I like old school rides, so the ground noise is a MAJOR issue..+ i just snatched out my 2nd problematic dehp860mp. i loved the pioneer adjustments, but i just run alpine now.

You are a patient man.

ejschultz
08-06-2009, 03:25 PM
I'm sure every brand has issues with everything now and then. I've had a little trouble with Alpine, none with Pioneer, Ive seen Sony's crap out, Kenwoods seem to be pretty good, and I've even heard of people complaining about Eclipse. If you look around, you'll see that every brand has lemons. If you get 10 lemons in a row, of course that doesn't look good for the company, but you've got some terrible luck. Look at all the people using the previously mentioned brands with no issues whatsoever. There's way more people using them with no issues at all than with issues.

bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 03:32 PM
My 800PRS has less noise than any of my Alpines had. That's the main reason I tried something different. That Ai-Net connection on the Alpines *****.

I love the Ai-Net hook up and the dedicated ipod connection and not having any noise or problems with alpine, I love them.

bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 03:33 PM
i've had at least 10 Pioneer/premier units...i finally give up too. I like old school rides, so the ground noise is a MAJOR issue..+ i just snatched out my 2nd problematic dehp860mp. i loved the pioneer adjustments, but i just run alpine now.

Ya they just do not have any problems and there slick looking as well. That pioneer one wheel for everything is kind of gay IMO.

Canaan
08-06-2009, 03:35 PM
Good news...I found your engine whine problem:



http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr199/bigaudiofanatic/100_1370.jpg
http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr199/bigaudiofanatic/My%20Honda/100_1303.jpg




A) Using crappy stock ground through a harness.
B) Cargo net mount for ground in trunk????

ejschultz
08-06-2009, 03:37 PM
I love the Ai-Net hook up and the dedicated ipod connection and not having any noise or problems with alpine, I love them.

The Ai-Net on my 9855 and 9853 has/had a lot of hiss in both my vehicles with the KCA-420i iPod adapter and with the iPod adapter that hooks up to the Ai-Net and the dock connecter on the iPod for iPod control vs HU control. When I switched to the Pioneer, the IP-Bus connector definitely proved itself to be better than the Ai-Net as far as noise. Speed for both *****.

bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 03:39 PM
Good news...I found your engine whine problem:






A) Using crappy stock ground through a harness.
B) Cargo net mount for ground in trunk????

Good news lol never had any issues with those same hookups with alpine. :laugh:
Also the pioneer is already gone.

ejschultz
08-06-2009, 03:40 PM
Good news...I found your engine whine problem:






A) Using crappy stock ground through a harness.
B) Cargo net mount for ground in trunk????

Haha. I use the factory ground with no issues in my car, but i've had to make my own before for noise purposes in other installs. The plastic cargo net holder in the trunk for the ground is priceless.

bigaudiofanati2
08-06-2009, 03:42 PM
Ya you should not have to make a direct ground just to avoid noise. Never had to do it with my clarion nor my alpine.

waccord99
08-06-2009, 03:54 PM
i always was tempted to buy a pioneer because of how they look pretty nice. but i never brought one because of problems friends have had with them. i have ran jvc radios since my first radio and i dont plan on going another route

hornedfrog1985
08-06-2009, 04:23 PM
Don't hot swap the RCAs, and the pico doesn't blow.

eharri3
08-06-2009, 07:32 PM
I'm on my first pioneer, a Premier DEH 980BT. 8-9 months, zero problems. The onlly complaints I have are some userfriendliness issues as compared to my Alpine, but the thing is packed with SQ and tuning features and has given me no problems. For Alpine, I would go with something from the older line when they used to put features in their head units. I have no interest whatsoever though in anything below the 9886. The other big names offer at least a few feature-rich head units to choose from, for Alpine serious SQ fans have the 9887 or else 9886/9884+ more money for IMPRINT.

Let's see... my 980 has 16 band EQ, time alignment, built-in bluetooth, 5 volt low resistance outputs, subwoofer phase control, just to name a few things. I know there are some awesome older Alpines but name anything in their line currently made below the 9887 that has ANY of that.

Last couple Alpines I had I started having error messages when trying to read my IPOD.

I have given up on Alpine and am liking Pioneers and Eclipses right now.

jlaudio10w7
08-06-2009, 07:34 PM
lol u mad

KHARPS
08-06-2009, 09:59 PM
Yeah, the 880s skip like crazy when playing cds with heavy bass but if you use the ipod hookup the skipping goes away 100%.

bigaudiofanati2
08-07-2009, 11:27 PM
Don't hot swap the RCAs, and the pico doesn't blow.

Never did that:wow:

power-fanatic07
08-07-2009, 11:36 PM
alpine ftw

bigaudiofanati2
08-07-2009, 11:37 PM
alpine ftw

That is what I am saying :peace::toast:

bigaudiofanati2
08-07-2009, 11:42 PM
Just to add insult to injury, 2 days ago I sent pioneer a email about how much it would be to get repaired and still have not heard back from them.

traksta15
08-08-2009, 12:05 AM
i had a pioneer back in 04, loved it!


ever since then i used dvd players of other brands, then pioneer started having their whine problem so i got scared away.




kenwood ddx712 ftmfw.

memphisguy87
08-08-2009, 12:11 AM
I had problems with mine over heat and it would not eject cd players and i had it only for about a year.

Engine_hp
08-08-2009, 03:09 AM
look what kenwood has

hornedfrog1985
08-08-2009, 03:12 AM
Never did that:wow:

It's not just hot swapping them, but if they touch any metal I believe. Pioneer should fix it because it seems to be something pretty easily overcome.

Bass911
08-08-2009, 05:29 AM
All those features mean nothing IMO. It's how well the radio is made. I just demoed a Dnx9140 and a W505, both amped up on the same speakers. I played with the 13 band Eq and xover and still could not get it to sound better than the Alpine with the 3-band Eq and 2.5 volt outputs. I've also been through with Pioneer for a long time. I don't see why some of you are still fumbling around with cd's when you could use an Ipod. I couldn't deal with all that skipping.

bigaudiofanati2
08-08-2009, 11:38 AM
Well some of them do not use the ipod because the interface from pioneer is pretty bad. LOL

350zspl
08-08-2009, 11:42 AM
i been done with pioneer for a while

i prefer eclipse and alpine

1hawaii50
08-09-2009, 11:16 PM
Lets see...my Kenwood deck in my Taurus lasted 14 months. The faceplate died. The radio would still play, but you couldn't read anything on the faceplate as NOTHING on it would light up. Kenwood's response was, "we'd like to help you, but you're 2 months out of warranty". It wasn't a high-end unit, and for what it would cost to repair, I just bought another unit. I've got a Pioneer DEH-P980BT in my Maxima, and so far, I love it. My buddy heard me saying I was going to get a Pioneer, and he told me "I guarantee you, you'll have noise issues". Knock-on-wood, but I've got a Pioneer, and I also put one in my wife's Altima...no noise issues with either one. As far as longevity...we'll just have to see.

alexregalgs
08-10-2009, 02:35 AM
Eclipse owns all...try to find an eclipse horror story cuz i havent...i love my 7000

AlterEgo99
08-10-2009, 10:02 AM
I've had my Alpine CDA-9887 for 2 years now...no problems. And it has been installed in two trucks over that time. Love the Imprint.

I have always purchased nothing but Alpine for aftermarket HU's. I figure if it ain't broke...

If you don't like Pioneer, and I can't say they are or are not any good as I have never owned or operated one, buy Alpine. You can't go wrong. IMHO.

na_rsx
08-10-2009, 10:05 AM
Ya from what I have heard there starting to come up in quality.

they are, have their discontinued model, 3 way active crossover, oel screen, 5v preouts. its a beast, only thing i hate is that there are no front or rear crossovers, unless you run active.

NightDrifter05
08-10-2009, 10:26 AM
Eclipse owns all...try to find an eclipse horror story cuz i havent...i love my 7000

If you do a search you will find ALOT of Eclipse horror stories. I read a thread over on termpro when I was looking into Eclipse about a shop recieving a shipment of dead units. Every company has horror stories so its really just preference. I will never use a Pioneer again because of the shipping and noises (never even had RCA's) ran to it and a straight swap to a panasonic fixed everything. I'll be sticking with my panasonics until they start crapping out.

bose301s
08-10-2009, 03:08 PM
I really like my Pioneer. My next HU would be an Eclipse CD7200 if I could afford it. I want the higher voltage line outs. I am thinking of just getting a carpc though and avoiding HUs altogether.

bigaudiofanati2
08-14-2009, 11:46 PM
Ya but aren't the car pc's not the best for sound quality?

22mountaineer
08-14-2009, 11:51 PM
Personally I have always used Alpine, I had a pioneer DVD Flip up once, and after awhile the CD would only eject about half way, had to help it the rest (hold up on the cd)

A friend of mine had one, cd quit ejecting.. And I have noticed the ones that came out about two years ago (Big *** button, only about half of it was a screen, right side) The button always falls off...

bigaudiofanati2
08-14-2009, 11:55 PM
Already tried that and all no go. It dose not matter anymore I do not have a pioneer so I do not have to worry about it.

RowJoe
08-14-2009, 11:56 PM
Personally I have always used Alpine, I had a pioneer DVD Flip up once, and after awhile the CD would only eject about half way, had to help it the rest (hold up on the cd)

A friend of mine had one, cd quit ejecting.. And I have noticed the ones that came out about two years ago (Big *** button, only about half of it was a screen, right side) The button always falls off...

Many people use iPods/HDDs/flash drives + there's a remote.

bose301s
08-14-2009, 11:58 PM
Ya but aren't the car pc's not the best for sound quality?

Not with a high quality soundcard.

statonburrell
08-15-2009, 12:03 AM
Yeah, the 880s skip like crazy when playing cds with heavy bass but if you use the ipod hookup the skipping goes away 100%.

do0dz i was hitting like 200 deebeeez the other day and my ipod did actually start to skip along with my gear shifter falling off!!!... i think i just need more sound deedn0r and i should be ok











on a serious note, i've had a couple cheap japanese dvd headunits off ebay with never one problem, and i've had an alpine that stopped ejecting the disc...i think it is all about luck and not getting a lemon.

bigaudiofanati2
08-15-2009, 12:18 AM
Not with a high quality soundcard.

So coaxial out or fiber optic or neither?

s1ctech
08-18-2009, 04:24 PM
I love my pioneer 7800, Had it for a while now, Only issues I have with it, is sometimes the face doesn't always connect and it freezes but that only happens rarely and mostly in the winter. I love Eclipse too, but didn't like the style of their new ones. I had an Eclipse 5204 or something back in the day and it didn't even support MP3 but besides not having a 16bang EQ I liked it a lot.

Rusty...WCA
08-18-2009, 04:26 PM
When We sold pioneer we always had issues with noise on the rcs's

RXZILLA
08-18-2009, 05:41 PM
Kenwood Biznatches.......ftw.

basscort2009
08-18-2009, 05:42 PM
Kenwood Biznatches.......ftw.

kenwoods ****. i had nothing but problems so far lol. oh well.

dye4metal
08-20-2009, 01:35 AM
ive seen more problems with pioneers than sonys. ill never buy one again. ****ing grounding issues is bullshit

dye4metal
08-20-2009, 01:38 AM
on a serious note, i've had a couple cheap japanese dvd headunits off ebay with never one problem, and i've had an alpine that stopped ejecting the disc...i think it is all about luck and not getting a lemon.


its all about getting a lemon with pioneer, its like buying a ford 6.0 liter diesel. its a hit or miss. and just like the trucks im not gonna spend my money as hard as it is to come by these days to get a hit or miss.

Hybrid90accord
08-20-2009, 01:43 AM
i had a pioneer deck, blew the rca grounds and i had to ground them to the chassis it pissed me off, ill never run pioneer again, ill never run anything other than the alpine cda series.


well in the instruction pioneer says "chasis ground" so its not there fault. I chasis grounded my 4800, 6800, 9600, premier 860 and 880 with no problems

bigaudiofanati2
11-03-2009, 03:16 PM
Does not matter that picto fuse blows so easy and some that do not even have that still have rca ground problems. Matter a fact all of them pretty much have that problem.

BushJ311
11-03-2009, 03:24 PM
Takes 5 minutes to fix the pico fuse/ rca problem. Once that is done i never had a problem. I love my h/u

Alpines seem more reliable though

bigaudiofanati2
11-03-2009, 03:31 PM
Yes but the fact is you should not have to fix anything with a head unit. Should be able to install it and be done.

snoopdan
11-03-2009, 03:35 PM
Only reason I have a Pioneer flipout in my corvette is because someone gave it to me :laugh:

godhatescivics
11-03-2009, 03:39 PM
alpine 9887 ftw

1hawaii50
11-03-2009, 05:14 PM
Does not matter that picto fuse blows so easy and some that do not even have that still have rca ground problems. Matter a fact all of them pretty much have that problem.

Actually, they ALL don't have that problem. There are quite a few guys here running Pioneers w/o any problems at all. I would never hot-swap RCA's regardless of the make of head unit that I have. I had an Alpine in my wife's car, and she was always complaining about how bad the radio reception was. I swapped it to a Pioneer, and the tuner is much better.

The HACKER
11-03-2009, 05:18 PM
in the last ten minutes there has been 4 posts showing how ****** pioneer is...they all start like..."so i have this pioneer h/u....", or "how do i change the pico fuse" or "i here my engine running in my speakers" lol

Throw them away people or give them to your little sisters so their barbies can have a radio to listen to :D

bigaudiofanati2
11-03-2009, 05:19 PM
That is something I never do is hot swap but none the less I still got the noise. I know it also depends on the car you install it in. Still pioneer is not something I even look at anymore.

bigaudiofanati2
11-03-2009, 05:20 PM
in the last ten minutes there has been 4 posts showing how ****** pioneer is...they all start like..."so i have this pioneer h/u....", or "how do i change the pico fuse" or "i here my engine running in my speakers" lol

Throw them away people or give them to your little sisters so their barbies can have a radio to listen to :D

The newb with the dog speaks the truth :laugh:

The HACKER
11-03-2009, 05:24 PM
The newb with the dog speaks the truth :laugh:

haha thank you sir :toast:

bhsdriller
11-03-2009, 05:35 PM
never had any problems with mine

...had it for a few years now also

Horsemanwill
11-03-2009, 08:29 PM
That is something I never do is hot swap but none the less I still got the noise. I know it also depends on the car you install it in. Still pioneer is not something I even look at anymore.

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/25/121/61/DEX-P99RS/specs.html

so if you could get that for the low low you wouldn't consider it?

bigaudiofanati2
11-06-2009, 02:00 PM
Not in a million years. To many problems with there products.

THUMPPER
11-06-2009, 02:30 PM
I have ran Pioneer Head units since 1985 and I have only seen
problems with them if not installed properly...
Pioneer's NEED a rear support to hold the weight of the *** end otherwise
the faceplace will go out of alignment making it hard to eject and the CD will skip
and most importantly if you suddenly get alternator noise, you probably popped the
microfuse inside the deck thanks to a poor ground. with a pioneer you MUST ground
the chassis of the headunit to the chassis of your vehicle. same with the main ground.
if you don't, you will pop that microfuse that's less than half the size of an eyelash.
with this fuse popped the headunit tries to seek a ground through the rca's.
this can wear out your speakers a lot faster than they should because of constant flutter.
any authorized pioneer benchtech can fix this problem in less than an hour if he can get right to it.
just taking a couple extra steps during the install will save a lot of headaches later on.


I am running a Premier 980BT at the moment...it is over 3 years old now
and it is still in Perfect working condition with zero problems

bigaudiofanati2
11-06-2009, 02:46 PM
LOL, I had noise in pioneers that were brand new never installed wrong. Pioneer just ***** if you have to do this and do that just to make it work right and keep it working right that is like a ford car. I would rather have a unit that once installed there will be no problems.

chawski
11-07-2009, 12:27 PM
Just to add insult to injury, 2 days ago I sent pioneer a email about how much it would be to get repaired and still have not heard back from them.

Its gonna cost you $200. they have a flat rate for any repair that comes in the door. weather its a blown fuse or a new dvd drive, touchscreen, etc, its $200. I had a number of issues with my d2. to add insult, EVERY problem i was still having was something that the unit was sent back to pioneer for under the mfg warranty and they still wanted me to pay them 200 to fix it. it took almost a month of me not taking no for an answer to finally find someone willing to help me out. every customer serive rep i spoke to told me its MY fault the dvd drive doesnt work...its MY fault the touch screen was out of calibration...its MY fault the screen wont tilt to ejevt cd/dvd. I finally heard from a pioneer employee whom confirmed that EVERY problem I was having were known problems to pioneer.

chevy_man
11-07-2009, 02:31 PM
I hate that I can't find the features of my 960 in any other decks today. Yes, I've fixed the ribbon cable once and it needs a cleaning every 6 months to keep ejecting cd's, but considering the tuning options available in the deck itself, I can't find another to match it.

I'm considering kenwood for my GTP, but only because they're preety much the only ones who make **** in red anymore. And my gf will annoy me endlessly if it doesn't match the existing interior.

Emo4life
11-07-2009, 02:32 PM
slam her face off the dash as soon as she mentions it.

eharri3
11-14-2009, 08:48 AM
Its gonna cost you $200. they have a flat rate for any repair that comes in the door. weather its a blown fuse or a new dvd drive, touchscreen, etc, its $200. I had a number of issues with my d2. to add insult, EVERY problem i was still having was something that the unit was sent back to pioneer for under the mfg warranty and they still wanted me to pay them 200 to fix it. it took almost a month of me not taking no for an answer to finally find someone willing to help me out. every customer serive rep i spoke to told me its MY fault the dvd drive doesnt work...its MY fault the touch screen was out of calibration...its MY fault the screen wont tilt to ejevt cd/dvd. I finally heard from a pioneer employee whom confirmed that EVERY problem I was having were known problems to pioneer.

I've had a 980BT for a year. Flawless, no problems. 16 band graphic EQ, built in bluetooth, Ipod. The only two shortcomings on mine: IPOD function is not as good as Alpine. I find the remote is more userfriendly than the faceplate and I use it almost exclusively. You???

chawski
11-14-2009, 11:09 AM
yea ive actually heard really good things about the 980. all the reviews are saying the sq is great. hows the ipod interface with that? I just have a rca to headphone jack to input my ipod and the sq is perfect. doesnt really bug me at all that i dont have the ipod controls on the headunit, so its no biggy for me

snoopdan
11-14-2009, 11:22 AM
Pioneer called and they said they would offer $50 to delete this thread.

groundpound4200
11-14-2009, 11:51 AM
I ran through 3 Pioneer decks before I switched to Alpine. I had skipping issues with 2 of them at just over 140dbs, I had a pico fuse issue, and a CD eject problem. These were all higher end models too. My Alpine 9887 > Pioneer

IDSkoT
11-14-2009, 11:56 AM
Pioneer called and they said they would offer $50 to delete this thread.

The 1990's called, they want their joke back.

hornedfrog1985
11-14-2009, 12:59 PM
Dude, you can't just go around picking fights like that skot.

phemps
11-14-2009, 01:04 PM
I am also about to get rid of my current pioneer deck and i can say i am never going to use their headunits ever again. wayyy to many fucckin problems. i could never listen to cds with it becuase it skiped with any bass whatsoever. the internal rca grounds are bullshiit and now im having all sorts of other problems like with ipods connected to it through usb, it starts to fucck up the songs real bad. amongstother things.... pioneer headunits:mad:

RJesus
11-19-2009, 12:31 PM
panasonics good stuff.

they're getting out of car audio though.

I'd say pioneer is coming down in quality. Car audio isn't their only business. Alpine does nothing but car audio.

/thread

DSGBazemore
11-24-2009, 10:13 PM
i had a pioneer on my golf cart and put it through hell. it held up, but then agin never really worked right from the start..

HCCA
11-24-2009, 11:10 PM
Does not matter that picto fuse blows so easy and some that do not even have that still have rca ground problems. Matter a fact all of them pretty much have that problem.

Meh...DEH-800 works fine. Zero noise problems.

Ceebes
11-25-2009, 11:35 AM
What kind of pioneer was it? you know I'm lookin at one for green.

-Leister-
11-25-2009, 11:42 AM
Ehh.

bigaudiofanati2
06-21-2010, 08:15 PM
Bump anyone

Slo_Ride
06-27-2010, 07:43 PM
alpine

brmcm15
06-27-2010, 07:49 PM
never buying another pioneer hu after rca ground problem i had.

love eclipse, its a shame they went out of business

stanky1219
06-27-2010, 07:53 PM
i have owned a few pioneers and they all have been junk. one played cd's 10% of the time , all of them had alternator noise , and none of them sounded as good as my current (7 year old) alpine.

kenwood makes good decks too. I will never own a pioneer again even if you try to give me one.:thumbdwn:

bigaudiofanatic
06-28-2010, 11:50 AM
Not all the time plus weather or not the ground was installed right that stupid picto fuse is crap none the less.

dafobbishon3
10-19-2010, 01:08 AM
Faceplate doesn't turn on sometimes. Volume lags and sometimes doesn't even go up or down. Ipod feature sometimes doesn't read my ipod and i have to disconnect it, restart the ipod, and plug it back in again to work. S H I T IS WEAK.

12voltz+-
10-19-2010, 01:14 AM
i love my kenwoods jvc and even alpine i dont touch pioneers no more got a lot of nice stuff just not done right i like my excelon units

CL1CKCLACK
10-19-2010, 01:29 AM
kenwood ftw

1rockford1
10-19-2010, 01:33 AM
i got a new 3200 ub yea the new ub or whatever its called they wanted to have them look "cool" yea they look ok but there not good lol. the wheel they have **** *** and the options are not there even with the 3200ub i think the 4200ub is the start off point . if u now think about it those are like 150 ish for that u can get a better deck for sure. even the 4200 is so so

Sarthos
10-19-2010, 01:37 AM
A few of my friends complained about skipping with their NEW Pioneer units, I got to laugh cause the CD drive works 100% perfect on my 9 year old Eclipse, wouldn't skip if you were speeding at full volume and hit a massive bump...while on lowering springs and blown struts. Seriously. The faceplate started having problems though so it's sitting on a shelf :(

thisistiny
10-19-2010, 01:48 AM
I've owned 3 pioneers so far. Two single din HU and now double din screen. Had ZERO problems. I planned on buying a pioneer for my next set up, too.

Maybe i just got lucky with the 3?

Louisiana_CRX
10-19-2010, 01:50 AM
I've owned 3 pioneers so far. Two single din HU and now double din screen. Had ZERO problems. I planned on buying a pioneer for my next set up, too.

Maybe i just got lucky with the 3?

If they are hooked up right...you won't have problems with them

1rockford1
10-19-2010, 01:55 AM
there older stuff is nice. i have used pioneers for years. about i would say hold on let me think 7 i had a dubble din tuch screen bad *** deck. miss it

bigaudiofanatic
10-19-2010, 02:05 AM
If they are hooked up right...you won't have problems with them

LOL you act like that is a big thing. A cd ejecting has nothing to do with how it was installed if you have it wired right. We are not talking about noise. Pioneer ***** *** end of story.

PollyCranopolis
10-26-2010, 11:26 PM
My 880 PRS has worked flawlessly for over 3 years. One of the best single dins out there at the time for eq features. Chose it over an Alpine 9 series. I've had a couple of their non premiere line throughout the years. The older models always seemed solid. I can't comment on their newer line.