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TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 12:47 PM
Is there such a thing? :)

And if there is,what amount of :greedy: r we talking about?

jmanpc
07-24-2009, 12:48 PM
Doubt it. Maaaaybe a 3-way component set. You'd be better off splitting it between two sets.

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 12:56 PM
Yes i know,but its to much of a hussle. Making door boards,putting another speaker wire instalation (i could barely fit this one) getting another amp that is rated the same power,or getting a new 4ch amp that is very good.. Bla bla bla.. It goes on and on..


What about 300 rms? =)

This JBL'a are rated 600w max and 150 rms

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=20533

But if max is 600,i think they could just take those 300,and i bet they would sound GREAT at that power :)

Jeremy M
07-24-2009, 01:32 PM
i thought someone on this forum had 400rms going to their Boston Pro60's.

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 01:58 PM
i thought someone on this forum had 400rms going to their Boston Pro60's.

That's a little too much for the PRO60's, I think. A more realistic number would be 200-250w MAX RMS per side running passive.

If you want a component set that can handle that kind of power, get the Rainbow Powerline CS 2 way component system with the 7" woofer. It'll cost ya, but you'll not need to buy speakers anymore for your car for a long time once you put those in, anyways.

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 02:06 PM
Any link?

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 02:15 PM
Here they are on Ebay, brand new, and pretty much full retail price...

http://cgi.ebay.com/RAINBOW-CS-275-27-POWER-NEW-6-9-2-WAY-COMPONENT-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ130315092046QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar _Speakers?hash=item1e5762804e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C29 4%3A50

If you're really interested in picking up a set of these, send a private message to 6spdcoupe on the forum here, he's an authorized Rainbow dealer here in the States. He'll give you better prices AND better service than you could find anywhere in the internet.

If you budget is at the $300 mark, I'd go with the Boston PRO60SE's. I just sold mine after running them for a month, and they got crazy loud, and sounded great doing it. Those can be bought BNIB for right around $300 or so.

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 02:24 PM
1200 US.. Soooo over my league man.. So over my league..


About the Bostons.. Hm.. I will think about it,buts its gonna be very hard to find them here in Europe.

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 02:28 PM
1200 US.. Soooo over my league man.. So over my league..


About the Bostons.. Hm.. I will think about it,buts its gonna be very hard to find them here in Europe.


LOL Yeah that's some serious bread for speakers, but they'll keep you moist when you're taking that long drive, that's for sure. :D

Check Ebay for the Boston PRO60 SE's. I believe a few seller on there ship worldwide, especially to Europe.

amartin_72
07-24-2009, 02:30 PM
www.partsexpress.com

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 02:35 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSTON-ACOUSTIC-PRO60SE-6-5-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-PRO60-SE_W0QQitemZ350215785920QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Spe akers?hash=item518a7ccdc0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294 %3A50

mazda6i07
07-24-2009, 02:36 PM
My Boston AcousticS Pro60's are rated at 150 wrms and will gladly take more. They're for sale for about $200

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 02:37 PM
www.partsexpress.com


part *** press

mlstrass
07-24-2009, 02:40 PM
why do you need comps that handle 400watts is my question?

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 02:41 PM
Every speaker can handle more that rated. Everything in life that is rated something can handle more.

If your food has a best before that lasts 3 yrs,it could easily be besto before 3.5 yrs.. 4yrs..


When u r checking oil.. On the max.. Be sure u can poor more oil.. Or when u r on the minimum.. Be sure your engine will not die if u have 100-200-300 grams of oil less..

And the story goes on..


Rated power is for the people who like to play safe.. Have one set of speakers for 10 yrs,and be setisfied..

Always give more juice than rated. Always! =)

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 02:45 PM
Another PRO60SE seller that ships international....

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-BOSTON-PRO60SE-6-5-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-PRO60SE_W0QQitemZ140334406632QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCa r_Speakers?hash=item20ac951be8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294 %3A50

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 02:50 PM
why do you need comps that handle 400watts is my question?


400 is maybe to much,but 300 would be good i think.. Why do i need it.. Becouse i like it.. For me components are more important that the subs,and i dont want my sub to over power my front stage.

Sub is being powered with 1350rms amp,so i need something that could follow.

I dont listen to hip hop.. I listen to progressive melodic house..

Here is an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bg5cETJwc

Please listen to the song and u will see that the song is 80 % music,and 20 % bass.. So.. Now u know..

mazda6i07
07-24-2009, 02:52 PM
I am selling my Pro 60's and they take 300 http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=421477

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 02:53 PM
400 is maybe to much,but 300 would be good i think.. Why do i need it.. Becouse i like it.. For me.. Components are more important that the subs,and i dont like my sub to ower power my mids.

When i have a sub that is powered with 1350 rms,i need to have something that can follow.


I dont listen to hip hop.. I listen to progressive melodic house..

Here is an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bg5cETJwc

Please listen to the song and u will see that the song is 80 % mucis,and 20 % bass.. So.. Now u know..

I can relate, although I listen to mostly hard rock and metal, with some 80's and other general music mixed in, depending on the mood.

I don't ever place much of an emphasis on my sub....it does the job,, fills in the bottom of the music nicely, and let's the mids and highs shine like they need to. I'm all about loud, clear, and dynamic, not loud, rumble, and boom.

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 02:59 PM
I can relate, although I listen to mostly hard rock and metal, with some 80's and other general music mixed in, depending on the mood.

I don't ever place much of an emphasis on my sub....it does the job,, fills in the bottom of the music nicely, and let's the mids and highs shine like they need to. I'm all about loud, clear, and dynamic, not loud, rumble, and boom.


Yeap.. Thats like me.. I want my sub to fit in my music,i dont want it to over power it.

And there are 2 ways to achieve that:

1.) Get a smaller sub

2.) Get better front stage.. Louder,clearer,more dynamic,with more details.


I am going for the second option.


As for the Bostons hm! Their peak power is 250.. I dont really think they could handle 300 RMS..

mazda6i07
07-24-2009, 03:00 PM
Yeap.. Thats is me.. I want my sub to fit in my music,i dont want it to ower power it.

And there are 2 ways to achieve that:

1.) Get a smaller sub

2.) Get better front stage.. Louder,clearer,more dynamic,with more details.


I am going for the second option.


As for the Bostons hm! Their peak power is 250.. I dont really think they could handle 300 RMS..

Im giving them 150 per door right now. Powering them with a Memphis Mca2004, it's bridged. They're great!

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 03:08 PM
Yeap.. Thats like me.. I want my sub to fit in my music,i dont want it to over power it.

And there are 2 ways to achieve that:

1.) Get a smaller sub

2.) Get better front stage.. Louder,clearer,more dynamic,with more details.


I am going for the second option.


As for the Bostons hm! Their peak power is 250.. I dont really think they could handle 300 RMS..

Yep, I hear ya. I've always had 6 1/2" 2 way components in the front, no rears, and a single 12" sub in the hatch in a small, sealed box. It's always been a great setup for me, especially for what I listen to, and how I like to listen to it.

Man....if you're wanting to give a component set a TRUE 300w rms a side, you're gonna have to up your ceiling on your budget a couple hundred dollars. Most component sets in the $300 price range won't take that kind of power outright, unless you turned your gain WAY down on your amp to give yourself some headroom.

okiedokie
07-24-2009, 03:10 PM
^^^Boston do get loud, but they lack any mid bass- tweeter can be harsh for some people,
yes I've owned a pair Pro60's.
I was powering them with a Pheonix Gold amp, 250 per side.
on the passive xover they sounded like crap to me.
I went active with them & sound much better.

Have you looked into Morel's
http://www.woofersetc.com/p4756/Hybrid-Ovation-6-Comp--Morel-6"-2-Way-Component-System.htm

useing there passive xover, these comps sound so nice & yes they get very loud with great detail, midbass is pretty good as well.

Hertz Milles, can get really loud, really nice tweeters.
Focals they also g very loud

with very effecient speakers you wont need 400rms to get what you want, plus placement & aimming,mids & tweeters play a great part.

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 03:16 PM
These Bostons will blow both the Morels and the PRO60's away, both in sound quality and midbass.....:D

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-SPZ60-6-5-CAR-AUDIO-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ270411964919QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC ar_Speakers?hash=item3ef5cf21f7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C 293%3A1%7C294%3A50

If you can find a used set on a forum, that would be a better route.

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 03:17 PM
Yeap.. Thats the deal with me 2.. Front stage.. No reard and certanly no 6x9 on the board.. Yuck..

Reference HU,time alingment,and a sealed box sub.


As for the mids.. Those JBL's look to me like they could handle it.. They have the 600w max,and in most cases rms power is half of the max power..

They rated it od 150w rms,but that is just becouse they want to sell it. Buying a 2x150 amp is not a problem,buying a really good 2x300 amp,and everything that goes with it IS. And who will give money for the speakers which produce their maxium at 300 rms,and power them with 100 rms when 100 rms can barely make them move..

I mean they would get loud even with 100 rms for some people,but they would be 4.5 DB louder with 300..

So why buy that when u can buy a speaker that gives it full on 100 or 150..

mazda6i07
07-24-2009, 03:17 PM
The only difference from the Pros to the Spz's i believe is the tweeters, check the cpecs between the 2...

redcalimp5
07-24-2009, 03:21 PM
The only difference from the Pros to the Spz's i believe is the tweeters, check the cpecs between the 2...


I've read on here and DIYMA people that have had the PRO60's, and then bought the SPZ60's noticed a significant increase in midbass output with the SPZ's......and they were able to take more power than the PRO60's.

mazda6i07
07-24-2009, 03:23 PM
I've read on here and DIYMA people that have had the PRO60's, and then bought the SPZ60's noticed a significant increase in midbass output with the SPZ's......and they were able to take more power than the PRO60's.

Nice, i was unaware of that, but id would hope for the price they would change more than just the tweeters lol

thanks

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 03:26 PM
^^^Boston do get loud, but they lack any mid bass- tweeter can be harsh for some people,
yes I've owned a pair Pro60's.
I was powering them with a Pheonix Gold amp, 250 per side.
on the passive xover they sounded like crap to me.
I went active with them & sound much better.

Have you looked into Morel's
http://www.woofersetc.com/p4756/Hybrid-Ovation-6-Comp--Morel-6"-2-Way-Component-System.htm

useing there passive xover, these comps sound so nice & yes they get very loud with great detail, midbass is pretty good as well.

Hertz Milles, can get really loud, really nice tweeters.
Focals they also g very loud

with very effecient speakers you wont need 400rms to get what you want, plus placement & aimming,mids & tweeters play a great part.


Yes i am aware of that. But efficency is over rated. Every brand makes diffrent testings,on diffrent conditions,and with diffrent music types so that doesnt have to mean anything.

An 84db midbass can be louder than 87db midbass with the same power. Its much more than simple numbers. Music has nothing to do with numbers,to bad we dont have a looooot of money to check out about 20-30 sets and than make our judgment.. :)


Speaking of efficiency.. There is one brand in Spain.. Its called Beyma. They have speakers that are rated on 200 rms and have efficiency of 97 db.. 6.5 mids.. That sounds good in the numbers,but i dont really see anybody talking about them anywhere so.. Looks like they arent as good as the numbers say.

okiedokie
07-24-2009, 03:36 PM
The SPZ's do have a better tweeter & more midbass, but i hhave compared the SPZ's against the Morels Hbbrid Ovation, Older ADS,Zapco,Focal's
yes in the San Francisco bay area there many high end shops most of them carry Boston & JL as there meduim brands, Focal's,Morel,Dynaudio,Zapco,Hertz,Rainbow, so it pretty easy to compare the unique sounds that each & every company has to offer with there comps sets.
The Boston's mids clear,but muddy-i would even say harsh for a mid.
the tweeter arent the smoothest,they are titanium tweeters.

okiedokie
07-24-2009, 03:39 PM
Titanuim can sound nice,but I dont care for Boston's tweeters

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 04:01 PM
I like harsh tweets :)

TheeyaN
07-24-2009, 05:45 PM
**** man.. :/

cbrei1023
07-24-2009, 06:20 PM
http://www.woofersetc.com/p4369/ES074USX-GOLD--CDT-Audio-65"---4"-2-3-Way-Complete-Component-Set-with-builtin-UpStage-System.htm

papermaker
07-24-2009, 07:03 PM
cdt es 3 ways will do it if its clean(300)....

eharri3
07-25-2009, 09:03 AM
Great to prioritize front stage but... Im not sure why people think starting out with some wattage rating requirement and making that your primary criteria guarentees you will have awesome sound. If your music is not mostly bass and components are more important to you than a sub, why would you start with a 1000 watt+substage and then build aroundit ? All you've really done is made it harder and more expensive for yourself to find a front stage setup that can keep up.

You will need something REALLY good to keep up with that sub if you're really sending it the power you say you are. A second set of comps would be a better bet than trying to forcefeed most sets 400 watts rms. Otherwise with the majority of sets you will be needing to dial your gain way back and they won't be seeing all the power anyway. This is why my substage is generally 300 watts or less. That's how I think. If it were most important to me it'd be 1000 watts or more but since I want everything to keep up with everything else it's an almost balanced 300/240 watts right now, with front stage going to an even 300 soon.

FJF
07-25-2009, 10:48 AM
Great to prioritize front stage but... Im not sure why people think starting out with some wattage rating requirement and making that your primary criteria guarentees you will have awesome sound.

<grin> It's as if speaker wattage ratings actually have an effect on the sound quality. FWIW, I have +400wpc running into a speaker rated at 125. BFD. :)

SPLluminator
07-25-2009, 10:51 AM
Ive got Mpyre Mids and EQ Screamer tweets, theyll take 300+ a side.

Macklessdaddy
07-25-2009, 11:11 AM
You guys who say you have 300 or so watts on some comps,I wanna know for how long,I can't see a set let alone your ears sustain that for more than a minute or two.

Macklessdaddy
07-25-2009, 11:12 AM
<grin> It's as if speaker wattage ratings actually have an effect on the sound quality. FWIW, I have +400wpc running into a speaker rated at 125. BFD. :)

What speaker would this be?

FJF
07-25-2009, 11:21 AM
What speaker would this be?

Polk SR6500. Why do you ask?

Macklessdaddy
07-25-2009, 11:33 AM
Polk SR6500. Why do you ask?

I have read your post and know not to get in a verbal battle with you(Probably a 10th of your knowledge)with that being said i call bs that they are taking 400 real watts or do you mean 200 per side.

FJF
07-25-2009, 11:49 AM
I have read your post and know not to get in a verbal battle with you(Probably a 10th of your knowledge)with that being said i call bs that they are taking 400 real watts or do you mean 200 per side.

Ahh...I understand. It's +400 per channel, ie. per side. There's a Zapco 200.2 driving the tweeters and a two Zapco AG350s (configured as monoblocks) on the mids. You see, music is dynamic. It doesn't exist on a constant level. The power allows the system to play at any realistic volume without distortion, and to reproduce lighting-fast transient attacks without (audible) stress. It doesn't compress during dynamic peaks; the sound is effortless. Even though the system can be loud, it's not the sole intent. The power is there for sound quality, not to see how loud the speakers will play. I hope that makes sense. :)

bass_lover1
07-25-2009, 11:52 AM
Speaking of efficiency.. There is one brand in Spain.. Its called Beyma. They have speakers that are rated on 200 rms and have efficiency of 97 db.. 6.5 mids.. That sounds good in the numbers,but i dont really see anybody talking about them anywhere so.. Looks like they arent as good as the numbers say.

Well for one, they're PA speakers, they are ridiculously efficient. Two, they aren't the most practical to use, let me explain. They can handle power no problem, but the down fall with PA speakers of this size, is that most will fall flat on their face around 80hz, and most CA dwellers want mids to play below that.

The difference in PA is that you have basically unlimited space, so that 6.5 is probably used as a lower midrange driver playing form 200hz up to make 1-2khz, because there is no issue cramming 2 15" woofers to take up the lowend slack.

That isn't easily doable in the car audio realm. If you're ok with a mid only playing down to 70-80hz tops, then by all means put them in there, actually I'd lean towards something from B&C or 18Sound.


Anyways, about your original topic. i'm just curious but have you actually heard a front stage running that much power? I'm not being rude, this is a serious question. I run about 100 watts per door speaker and about 30 to each tweeter, and it can easily get loud enough to the point of it being uncomfortable.

You don't need that much power, trust me. Plus if you feel the sub is too loud, just turn the **** thing down, pretty simple, and free.

TheeyaN
07-25-2009, 12:18 PM
Curently i am running Alpine SPR 17S with Alpine PDX 2.150.. Thats 150rms per side..

My impressions are that its ok,but not what i wanted.

After that i was powering it with MB Quart RAA2400.. 200 rms per side and it did sound better,but hm..

I am satisfied with the kick,midrange isnt all that good,and the tweet is set on 0DB,but i still want it a bit louder :)

I know that is strange becouse most people dislike those tweets,but i do like my tweets louder more agressive.. I love those high tones :)

Now i do have EQ on my HU,and until now i only pumped up the 5khz tone to +2,but i am kind of affraid the tweets will blow lol =)


And no,i didnt heard anything louder than i have now,but car audio isnt really popular in my country due to bad financial status.


The thing is that the comps are new,they dont have more than 20 minutes of play,so i guess they will sound better later on,now i am only thinking should i leave it on 150 rms,or should i power it with the MB..

They took the 200 rms quite fell,they LIKED IT hehe,but i dont know what will that amount of power do to their life.. I mean i dont listen to my music on max all the time,but from time to time i like to crank it up to the limit :)


Uf i even bored myself out with this much talking ^^

rc10mike
07-26-2009, 09:15 AM
I run 300w rms per side to my Facal 165K2p UV's form a JL HD600/4, Im running passive too..

Yeah...post 1800!

dj_mars773
07-26-2009, 09:40 AM
U can go 200w rms and not kill the bank the soundstream trc.6N's are 200 rms. with 30 oz magnets and 91 sensitivity. I have 213w rms uncliped sig, I clamped my soundstream xta 720.4 to each mid on 4 channels. The tweets can be a bit much depending on the mp3s recording.

mlstrass
07-26-2009, 02:24 PM
400 is maybe to much,but 300 would be good i think.. Why do i need it.. Becouse i like it.. For me components are more important that the subs,and i dont want my sub to over power my front stage.

Sub is being powered with 1350rms amp,so i need something that could follow.

I dont listen to hip hop.. I listen to progressive melodic house..

Here is an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bg5cETJwc

Please listen to the song and u will see that the song is 80 % music,and 20 % bass.. So.. Now u know..

Simple solution is to turn your sub level down "if" it overpowers your front stage ;) Especially if you're more into the mids/highs. If you're not worried about a SQ type front stage then I'd consider adding more comps up front and coax's in the rear.

What sub(s) do you run as that's not a lot of power? I would think any decent set of comps would keep up.

TheeyaN
07-26-2009, 02:38 PM
Everything is being changed :)

I am selling my Subs,and my amps. I bought another MB Quart raa 2400.. So i am going to use one for the frong stage,and one for the subs.

I just have to figure out what subs to buy =) Sub is MB Quart PWE 352. I mean WAS! =)

RowJoe
07-27-2009, 10:10 AM
Sorry if I missed it, but how do you have your speakers installed?

TheeyaN
07-27-2009, 11:25 AM
What do u mean how?

okiedokie
07-27-2009, 02:29 PM
^^^Pics

RowJoe
07-27-2009, 08:13 PM
What do u mean how?

:confused:

How you installed them. Tweets on or off-axis, mids down in the kicks or in the doors? Info like that.

Brian_smith06
07-27-2009, 08:15 PM
my id xs comps are taking 300 watts well :)


i hear some body is running 700 watts to each of his mids in his install though so i would say idxs could handle your 400 watt requirement

traksta15
07-27-2009, 08:15 PM
I have 360rms going to each of my boston z6's