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BeAlLsTaR13
07-16-2009, 11:48 PM
my friend is looking to get a component set for his 2004 ford f-150. he's looking to spend no more than 300 for a good set. they will be ran in a passive set up. they will be ran off of a kicker zx350.4, possibly bridged, which is 175rms x 2 @ 4 ohms, if not then 60rms x 4 @ 4 ohms.

so something that will be able to sound good off of his amp. he's upgrading from his polk audio 5x7s and i said i may be able to find him something good

so whats the best for the price, around 300$?

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 12:04 AM
also, must be 5 1/4" components because the universal 6x8 adapter only works for 5 1/4 speakers, anything bigger needs to be custom installed into the kick panel, which i dont really want to do unless i can get someone to make one on here, with a built in mount for the tweeter

cbrei1023
07-17-2009, 12:15 AM
can you fit 6.5s with a mdf baffle?

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 12:18 AM
can you fit 6.5s with a mdf baffle?

may be able to, im not 100% sure on the stock speaker size, either is he (he isnt smart with these things) im sure if i had a mount custom made from someone here to fit it it would work


edit:

they are 5x7

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 12:21 AM
i was thinking the focal access 130 a1 components actually, their about 300 on crutchfield, prolly cheaper on ebay if their on there

smgreen20
07-17-2009, 01:02 AM
Clarions SKU series comps. $90 through crutchfield. Comes w/a 5x7 adaptor. I love the under ratde sound of Clarions top tier line.

BTW: 175 x 2 = passive, 60 x 4 = active.

redcalimp5
07-17-2009, 01:40 AM
I've got my set of Boston PRO60 SE's up for sale right now for $220 shipped. Retail is $599.

Let me know if you want them.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 01:43 AM
I have pioneer premier ts c720prs components in my 07 F150 (same body style).The midbass shows to be 6 3/4, but is actually more of 6.5. These sound amazing running off 80rms. It comes with a 6x8(5x7) adapter for the doors. In my opinion the adapter is crap plastic so I made my own MDF adapters. Mike465 on here sells and makes adapters for really cheap and does good work. Like I said, I absolutely love these components. The most impressive thing is the midbass. I have them crossed on my amp at 60 hz and I can really feel these things kick me in the chest. I deadend the hell out of my doors and covered that gaping hole on the door.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 01:48 AM
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_7537_Pioneer+Premier+TS-C720PRS.html

smgreen20
07-17-2009, 09:06 AM
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-ikN2qE3dURU/p_020SRU1320/Clarion-SRU1320M.html?tp=106

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:09 AM
Clarions SKU series comps. $90 through crutchfield. Comes w/a 5x7 adaptor. I love the under ratde sound of Clarions top tier line.

BTW: 175 x 2 = passive, 60 x 4 = active.

thing about the adapter, its a 6x8 adapter and id like to mount the tweeter in the adapter so i dont have to cut a hole in his car somewhere

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:11 AM
and i was also looking at these:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-V3M9OwnrjuE/p_091130A1/Focal-Access-130-A1.html?search=focal+access+a1

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:15 AM
6x8 and 5x7 are pretty much the same thing. The f150's have a stock location for you to put the tweeters up high in the doors. If you just wanted the tweeter right beside the mid, you could make a baffle and put them side by side. But I would put the tweeter in the stock location

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:17 AM
6x8 and 5x7 are pretty much the same thing. The f150's have a stock location for you to put the tweeters up high in the doors. If you just wanted the tweeter right beside the mid, you could make a baffle and put them side by side. But I would put the tweeter in the stock location

oh so there is a stock location? i asked him and he said he didnt know, hes very illiterate when it comes to this stuff.. he once asked me how many ohms i can push to a speaker without blowing them

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:18 AM
and i was also looking at these:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-V3M9OwnrjuE/p_091130A1/Focal-Access-130-A1.html?search=focal+access+a1

those are nice but you can go bigger

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:19 AM
those are nice but you can go bigger

well he said 300 or less, those on ebay are like.. 149... shipped or something like that

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:19 AM
oh so there is a stock location? i asked him and he said he didnt know, hes very illiterate when it comes to this stuff.. he once asked me how many ohms i can push to a speaker without blowing them

lol yeah theres a stock location, I'll try to find a pic of my doors

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:20 AM
lol yeah theres a stock location, I'll try to find a pic of my doors

same as the 04? his is the extended cab

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:24 AM
This will give you an idea. I have since made a new adapter out of 1/2 mdf that fits in the hole better. This pictured is 3/4' mdf and pushes the speaker out too far. my current set up looks much better.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f166/fullyinvolved/12-6-08001.jpg

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:27 AM
front doors are the same, extended cab or supercrew

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:28 AM
hmm alright

well does the adapter that comes with crutch field come in any size bigger than 5 1/4?

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:33 AM
hmm alright

well does the adapter that comes with crutch field come in any size bigger than 5 1/4?

the link you posted is for the focals. the focal mid is 5 1/4. you could go with bigger mids. the adapter is focal made and should already be in the component box. They are pretty much like a 5x7 but with a cut out for a 5 1/4" mid. I'm not really sure what you're asking

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:36 AM
the link you posted is for the focals. the focal mid is 5 1/4. you could go with bigger mids. the adapter is focal made and should already be in the component box. They are pretty much like a 5x7 but with a cut out for a 5 1/4" mid. I'm not really sure what you're asking

ok well say we dont go with the focals and went with pioneer premeirs with a 5 1/4" mid, it would come with the door adapter for 6x8 to 5 1/4".. if i got a 6.5" comp set with a 6.5" mid it wont come with an adapter for it because the mid is too big and CF doesnt have a 6x8 to 6.5" adapter

crutchfield also wont give me the option of installing in the front doors unless its a 5 1/4" speaker i have chosen either, it gives me the option of kick panel only.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:39 AM
ok well say we dont go with the focals and went with pioneer premeirs with a 5 1/4" mid, it would come with the door adapter for 6x8 to 5 1/4".. if i got a 6.5" comp set with a 6.5" mid it wont come with an adapter for it because the mid is too big and CF doesnt have a 6x8 to 6.5" adapter

The 6.5 set is called 6 3/4" but the mid itself is actually 6.5. The adapters are in the box for the 6 3/4(6.5's). you dont have to buy anything extra.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:43 AM
click the link I posted. It has pics of everything that comes with the component set.

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:45 AM
click the link I posted. It has pics of everything that comes with the component set.

oh alright, i see

but is that just with the pioneers or do others come with the adapters as well?

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:50 AM
i'm not sure. I pretty much ended my research on components when I found these things. Just keep looking until you find something you like, and just be sure you know what comes with it. I dont think a whole lot of manufactuerers include the 6x8(5x7) adapters, if not, then you can simply make your own, or have someone on here make them.

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:51 AM
i'm not sure. I pretty much ended my research on components when I found these things. Just keep looking until you find something you like, and just be sure you know what comes with it. I dont think a whole lot of manufactuerers include the 6x8(5x7) adapters, if not, then you can simply make your own, or have someone on here make them.

so what would sound better and more clear, those focals i posted or those premiers?

smgreen20
07-17-2009, 09:51 AM
thing about the adapter, its a 6x8 adapter and id like to mount the tweeter in the adapter so i dont have to cut a hole in his car somewhere

The phase plug comes out of the mid and the tweet will go in its place becoming a coax of sorts.

No holes needed to cut.

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:52 AM
The phase plug comes out of the mid and the tweet will go in its place becoming a coax of sorts.

No holes needed to cut.

oh so its one of those coax component sets?

smgreen20
07-17-2009, 09:55 AM
Yes. They can do either way.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 09:55 AM
I never heard the focals so I cant tell you what sounds better. But I will say, that some people that have ran focals, have tried to get ahold of these pioneer mids to replace theirs. I love this component set and I will buy them for my next 10 vehicles for as long as they make them.

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 09:56 AM
I never heard the focals so I cant tell you what sounds better. But I will say, that some people that have ran focals, have tried to get ahold of these pioneer mids to replace theirs. I love this component set and I will buy them for my next 10 vehicles for as long as they make them.

also hows the tweets on them?

smgreen20
07-17-2009, 09:58 AM
That's one of the things I like about the Focals.... Their tweets.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:00 AM
also hows the tweets on them?

Some people say that they sound harsh. But on the xovers, you have the option to connect them to -3, 0, +3. I have mine set on +3 and it's no problem to me. They sound really clean. Just make sure you are running and amp to these components. I don't know if it was you or someone else, but someone asked if they could run comps off a HU. There is no sense in buying comps if you arent going to put a little of power behind them.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:03 AM
That's one of the things I like about the Focals.... Their tweets.
Yeah, I've never personally heard the focals, but from everything I've read, people love the tweets.

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 10:03 AM
Some people say that they sound harsh. But on the xovers, you have the option to connect them to -3, 0, +3. I have mine set on +3 and it's no problem to me. They sound really clean. Just make sure you are running and amp to these components. I don't know if it was you or someone else, but someone asked if the could run comps off a HU. There is no sense in buying comps if you arent going to put a little of power behind them.

i said a long time ago that i was looking for a comp set myself but would run off hu for about 2 weeks till i could pick up and amp

these comps will be ran off of a kicker zx350.4... gonna assume passive set up, ive never ran active before so not sure how to tune seperate for the tweeters and the mids off of the same amp at least.. however ill prolly bridge them to the amp so they get 175 rms but lay lower on the gains, how much can they take?

smgreen20
07-17-2009, 10:10 AM
They should do fine on 175.

The weakest part in most comp sets are the passive xovers. I believe that the Focal passives can take it.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:10 AM
I'm pretty sure up to 200W each side but wouldnt go over 175

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 10:14 AM
will the premiers be able to handle 175 rms? can also lay back on the gains a bit so i dont push too much to them.

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:17 AM
will the premiers be able to handle 175 rms? can also lay back on the gains a bit so i dont push too much to them.

They should handle it. I would set the gains with a DMM to make it right though.

smgreen20
07-17-2009, 10:17 AM
Yea the Pioneers will take 175 too.

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 10:20 AM
They should handle it. I would set the gains with a DMM to make it right though.

well, ive read around here that DMM method isnt always 100% the best way to do it, 0-scope is the best however fairly expensive, how would i set gains with a component set? same way as you would a subwoofer?

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:22 AM
Yes, but with a 1000hz sine wav

smgreen20
07-17-2009, 10:25 AM
If you go passive then the 1000 Hz as mentioned ^^, active you'll want to do 500-1000 on the mids and @ 5000 for the tweets.

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 10:26 AM
where can i get a 1000z tone

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:32 AM
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/downloads.htm

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 10:34 AM
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/downloads.htm

nice, might as well get one to propery tune my subs too, did it by ear :/

what tone should i use for my subs? specs in sig

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:42 AM
50

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 10:44 AM
whats the formula your supposed to use

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:47 AM
Square root of ohmsx rms or here's a charthttp://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/steveo200077/RMSchart.jpg

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 10:47 AM
Square root of ohmsx rms or here's a charthttp://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/steveo200077/RMSchart.jpg

rms of subs?

Nut Hair Trick
07-17-2009, 10:48 AM
subs or amp, the smaller of the 2

BeAlLsTaR13
07-17-2009, 10:22 PM
ok well i think were gonna go with the focals.

kevin lu
07-17-2009, 11:03 PM
sonicelectronik have better price on Focal.