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trabadoor22
06-30-2009, 05:33 PM
I'm looking at three hu's right now, the Alpine 9887, Pioneer 800, and the Eclipse 7200. I'm leaning towards the Pioneer mainly do to the Eclipse's poor reception and from I've heard poor ipod controls. I'm not sure if the Alpine has a usb connection or not. From what I have read if you use a hu's usb connection with an ipod you can bypass the ipod's d/a converter, which with then use the hu's. I don't know if that is accurate though. I know that most will say why am I choosing a sq hu if I’m using an ipod. Well, I use and ipod about 50% of the time and when I use one I always download with a lossless format. Basically I want to use my hu's d/a converter, have full ipod control on the hu, and be able to charge the ipod. Thanks for any info or help deciding which one to go with.

yodatech88
07-02-2009, 12:42 AM
The Pioneer DEH-P800PRS does not have USB level Ipod control. Inorder to do that you need to buy the CDIB100II (which is NOT USB, Ipod ONLY) that retails for around $60. That adapter won't charge any of the newer Ipods either. The same time they released the Ipod Touch and the nano (whatever generation came out the same time period), they changed it to a 5 volt charging system. So you will need to buy yet another adapter to change it from the older 12V to the new 5V. Scoche has one that retails for around $15. Its an amazing HU for sound quality don't get me wrong.

One thing I should mention that you are probably already aware of, Most compressed music loses its audio quailty that you are trying to achieve with a high end headunit. Unless you are copying straight from the original CD in Lossless Audio format, there is no real point to go for such an expensive stereo.

Sarthos
07-02-2009, 02:38 AM
Unless you are copying straight from the original CD in Lossless Audio format


when I use one I always download with a lossless format

You fail.

trabadoor22
07-02-2009, 03:05 PM
You fail.

Wow very informative. If you read my post I listen to a portable music device, a zune, about 50% of the time. I wrote ipod because that's what most hu's are compatible with. And at least with the zune you can rip with up to roughly 1000 bit rate. To my knowledge full cd quality bit rate is roughly 1400 so to my ears and by my math it is pretty close to a cd's quality. Is it perfect, no. That's why I also use cd's. So next time if you would like to tell me with actual information why I am wrong then great, I don't mind being wrong and I enjoy learning. Otherwise keep comments like that to yourself.


Thanks yodatech for the info.

thaster
07-02-2009, 03:12 PM
connect ipod to headunit through aux, get car charger for ipod. problem solve.............

dman4486
07-02-2009, 03:13 PM
connect ipod to headunit through aux, get car charger for ipod. problem solve.............

that would not give him the hu control of ipod that he wants

thaster
07-02-2009, 03:16 PM
that would not give him the hu control of ipod that he wants

hold ipod in hand........

dman4486
07-02-2009, 03:16 PM
hold ipod in hand........

lol...tis what I do:laugh:

trabadoor22
07-02-2009, 03:32 PM
that would not give him the hu control of ipod that he wants

Very true. Also I have tried that with my zune. The aux works great, but when I use a car charger I get really bad noise. I tried two brand name chargers and they both did this. I am actually thinking of going with the Eclipse 5030. I was originally looking at the 7200, but the display is awful. I have an Eclipse 8443 which I love except it is very hard to see the display, it isn't able to control an ipod on the menu and I think one of the preouts is going bad. The 5030 looks like everything I need, I would just like to compare it to the Alpine 9887 if I can check them out side by side.

Sarthos
07-02-2009, 03:39 PM
The "fail" was directed at the other guy who didn't read you said it was lossless.

SethPhillips
07-03-2009, 01:16 PM
Plugging the Ipod/Zune in through the AUX will eliminate any chance of audio quality. At that rate, buy yourself a simple USB level stereo instead and save yourself a ton of money.

Sarthos
07-03-2009, 01:28 PM
You can still get okay sound quality with the aux input. Or maybe my ears just aren't as picky as some people's.

SethPhillips
07-03-2009, 02:49 PM
You can still get okay sound quality with the aux input. Or maybe my ears just aren't as picky as some people's.

If you are really going for the sound quality that the 800PRS puts out, an auxiliary input is a joke. Unless you are using store bought cd's or Lossless audio MP3's then its a waste of a stereo and your money.

DEdwards
07-03-2009, 02:55 PM
You can still get okay sound quality with the aux input. Or maybe my ears just aren't as picky as some people's.


If you compete you are picky....I am VERY picky

yodatech88
07-03-2009, 03:42 PM
Sound Quality and AUX don't go together. SQ is not about adjusting bass, mid and treble. There is timing in speakers, sound staging, and so many other aspects. Aux gives you a flat input that can't be adjusted more than High, Mid, and Low. To even have the two mentioned together cracks me up.

Selkies
07-03-2009, 03:52 PM
So is it either iPod connection with Apple lossless, USB device (jump drive or external hard drive), or CDs then for SQ?

yodatech88
07-03-2009, 05:09 PM
So is it either iPod connection with Apple lossless, USB device (jump drive or external hard drive), or CDs then for SQ?

You need to use the cleanest source audio as you can. And something that the stereo is required to interpret and translate. Otherwise the stereo isn't really involved in the audio process other than just providing an interface between your audio source and the speakers.

MP3 CD's don't count unless the music was copied in lossless format either. A low quality file is no better then a low quality input.

Its Like movies, if you buy the original you will have no problem, but every time you copy it the picture gets fuzzy and not as bright. Audio is the same way, instead of colors you hear frequencies. Its like taking the Mona Lisa and trying to reproduce it in a photobooth.

ejschultz
07-03-2009, 11:24 PM
I love my P800PRS with my iPod touch. I get decent SQ with it and I use only 192 Kbps. I know that's low but it suffices for my liking. The interface with the iPod is pretty good, but like most players out there, it doesn't charge the 4th generation nano or the 2nd generation touch. I don't really care if it doesn't charge mine; it seems to get awesome battery life so far. I've had it for about 6 months.

As far as overall SQ, original copy CDs are the best. They sound awesome on this HU.

trabadoor22
07-03-2009, 11:59 PM
Thanks for all the replies from everyone. I decided to go with the Eclipse 5030 because it has all the features I want and it costs less than the others I was looking at. I won't be able to get it until next week so I will see how it performs. That's good to hear about the ipod, my zune has horrible battery life.

ejschultz
07-04-2009, 12:11 AM
The secret to battery life is to turn the brightness down.

812mcmurray
07-08-2009, 02:21 PM
kenwood... i just got rid of a nice kenwood headunit that costed like $150 new that had a usb input and aux input in the front. great sq also.

adam71
07-09-2009, 05:24 PM
And at least with the zune you can rip with up to roughly 1000 bit rate. To my knowledge full cd quality bit rate is roughly 1400 so to my ears and by my math it is pretty close to a cd's quality.

As far as I know the highest CBR for mp3s is 320 kbps and CDs are 1,411 kbps. So I fail to see how the bit rates are even close. But again, 320 kbps does NOT sound bad. But VBR mp3s are superior over ANY CBR mp3. But again, my knowledge of compressed music is limited as I never play them other than on my computer.

tuskilla
07-09-2009, 05:29 PM
get a Pioneer 7800 if you can find one

5 volt preouts plus 16 band equalizer and DOZENS of other features!!!

tuskilla
07-09-2009, 05:29 PM
As far as I know the highest CBR for mp3s is 320 kbps and CDs are 1,411 kbps. So I fail to see how the bit rates are even close. But again, 320 kbps does NOT sound bad. But VBR mp3s are superior over ANY CBR mp3. But again, my knowledge of compressed music is limited as I never play them other than on my computer.

where do you get your songs then and how do you play them in your car??

adam71
07-09-2009, 05:43 PM
where do you get your songs then and how do you play them in your car??

I get them by ripping my CDs into the VBR mp3 format via the uber standard using EAC and Lame.exe.

How do I play them in my car?? Simply put..............I don't. CDs and XM radio for me in the car and that's it.

tuskilla
07-09-2009, 05:46 PM
got ya!

trabadoor22
07-09-2009, 08:14 PM
As far as I know the highest CBR for mp3s is 320 kbps and CDs are 1,411 kbps. So I fail to see how the bit rates are even close. But again, 320 kbps does NOT sound bad. But VBR mp3s are superior over ANY CBR mp3. But again, my knowledge of compressed music is limited as I never play them other than on my computer.

Because I don't download my songs, I rip from the original cd. When you do that you can set which format to rip from. Most of my songs using the lossless format range from 900-1400 bit rate.

carlionne1
07-09-2009, 08:30 PM
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adam71
07-09-2009, 08:38 PM
Because I don't download my songs, I rip from the original cd. When you do that you can set which format to rip from. Most of my songs using the lossless format range from 900-1400 bit rate.

What format is that?? I know that mp3 is NOT lossless. Is it .wav or what??

Selkies
07-09-2009, 10:51 PM
What format is that?? I know that mp3 is NOT lossless. Is it .wav or what??
You can choose a lossless WMA format with the Zune software. Possibly with WMP, as well.

trabadoor22
07-09-2009, 11:52 PM
Yep, I use zune, it's called lossless format.

Minburn
07-18-2009, 11:25 PM
If you are really going for the sound quality that the 800PRS puts out, an auxiliary input is a joke. Unless you are using store bought cd's or Lossless audio MP3's then its a waste of a stereo and your money.

I agree with this. The 800PRS sounds excellent with CD's, but beyond that it can only accept lossy files and - depending upon the listener- are to degrees lesser sounding than the CD playback. The outboard USB adapter doesn't play *.wav so with this unit no way to play higher resolution files other than CD. If you don't mind, then it's an excellent unit.

I'm selling my 800 and the outboard unit and replacing with a newer 710BT. No 24 bit, but plays *.wav and no need for other expensive outboard units for BT. My other Premiere unit (can't recall the model . . . couple years old) also doesn't have 24 bit but plays *wav files and has excellent BT capability. Weighing the 24-bit vs lossless *.wav file for mobile use, I've chosen the alternative as the lossless files played through my PS Audio unit sound as good as I'd like in my auto; the lossy files don't. Add to that the head unit I have works perfect with a 64GB Patriot mem stick.

adam71
07-20-2009, 03:44 PM
CD > all other formats in the vehicle. Sure it's a HUGE hassle to open a jewel case and get another CD out :rolleyes:. But I'll just keep being inconvenienced at this time. Small price to pay for arguably the best format ever. Especially for vehicle use.

smgreen20
07-20-2009, 11:35 PM
SQ HU w/USB.????????

USB negates the SQ.

Sarthos
07-21-2009, 12:27 AM
USB is okay, better than 3.5 mm headphone jacks. And an SQ head unit with USB will still sound better than a non-SQ headphone jack with USB. But not as good as CD.