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mcsoul
06-13-2009, 07:15 PM
Looking nice for $139.
Bi-ampable passive crossover.

I'm thinking of picking them up to run 3 way with an 8" midbass.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17121_Precision+Power+PPI+356CS.html?utm_sour ce=froogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=froogle#

http://images.sonicelectronix.com/images/236328/big/356cs.jpg

sqhertz
06-13-2009, 07:18 PM
iirc , those are the ones the DIYMA guys talk so good about.

chaunb3400
06-13-2009, 07:23 PM
same as A/D/S 365's(i believe) great set, I still have the tweets and 1 mid from a set I had a while ago

mcsoul
06-13-2009, 07:43 PM
From what I'm reading about the tweeters, it may be worth it for them alone.

maloy013
06-14-2009, 01:25 AM
arent these like around 200 awhile back?...also the crossover seems a lil bit different than before

Ignatowski
06-14-2009, 08:07 AM
I have the ADS versions in my truck now,I love them.....They were pretty spendy back in the day (500-600)but since the PPI take over they didnt sell much and I guess they are liquidating them....
If they are anything like the ADSs they will PWN ! They look identical so it may just be a brand lable change
I feed mine 150w per ch and they are some of the cleanest comps I have owned to date with loads of mid bass and awesome tweets...
For 139 im thinking of buying a set for a spare....By comparison I have owned HEXs,eD6500s,and REs and they went off to the auction block
in favor of these

FoxPro5
06-14-2009, 11:49 AM
Listened to them a few times, but never used them personally. For $135 you'd be a fool to pass them up if you need a passive comp set.

Not sure if they use the Concept I or II tweeter, but they go for more than the whole comp set price on ebay from the A/D/S store.

Miles0803
06-14-2009, 11:57 AM
nice lookin set

mcsoul
06-14-2009, 12:42 PM
Listened to them a few times, but never used them personally. For $135 you'd be a fool to pass them up if you need a passive comp set.

Not sure if they use the Concept I or II tweeter, but they go for more than the whole comp set price on ebay from the A/D/S store.

Fox,

How do you think these would do 3-way passive with the SLS 8's? <<<Edit : nevermind SLS 8's are 8 ohm

x-over at 400 and 4k, do you think that 6.5" will do 4k?

My alpine 3-way crossovers:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/kazakovi/audio/DSC_0289.jpg

perfecxionX
06-14-2009, 04:30 PM
Does anyone happen to know the depth dimensions of the crossovers on these (how tall they are)? the manual only has the length and width (http://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/og/precision_power/G39302.07_2007-09post.pdf). Also, are they underrated? I'm reading of people doing 150watts, what about 250?

btw:
120 +shipping: http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/6442
135 shipped: http://cgi.ebay.com/PRECISION-POWER-PPI-356CS-6-5-CAR-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ300321749453QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC ar_Speakers?hash=item45ec9239cd&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/PRECISION-POWER-PPI-356CS-6-5-CAR-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ300321749453QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC ar_Speakers?hash=item45ec9239cd&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65&#37;3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50)

Ignatowski
06-14-2009, 05:59 PM
FYI the crossovers are alot larger than most.....

perfecxionX
06-14-2009, 06:07 PM
FYI the crossovers are alot larger than most.....

the manual says "Mounting the crossover requires four holes in a rectangular pattern 2 13/16" x 4 1/4" (7.14 cm x 10.8 cm) on a flat surface." that sounds pretty small to me, my crossovers right now are like 7x5

Ignatowski
06-14-2009, 08:34 PM
the manual says "Mounting the crossover requires four holes in a rectangular pattern 2 13/16" x 4 1/4" (7.14 cm x 10.8 cm) on a flat surface." that sounds pretty small to me, my crossovers right now are like 7x5



that would be incorrect ....they are the largest Xovers I have ever owned
this should give a good indication.....Unless PPI is doing some weird ****

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/excelerater/Audio/PIC_0117.jpg

maloy013
06-14-2009, 11:18 PM
how would you describe the tweeters on these?

mmouse57
06-14-2009, 11:50 PM
these comp are really smooth and rich sounding . the tweeters are very calm but can get loud.

these are a diff sounding tweeter than say a alumi dome variation but for the price $140 or so shipped these components are a must buy.

Deff better than those pgold $40 6/5's, hehe

I replaced kappa inf with these in one car and jbt gt series in another and even tho both of the other sets where more $$ these sound just as good if not better.

Skip01
06-14-2009, 11:57 PM
I like mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me9T9cJ5y1k

perfecxionX
06-15-2009, 01:31 AM
I like mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me9T9cJ5y1k

can you measure the crossovers?

ealvar
06-15-2009, 01:46 AM
Have a buddy who has worked for Directed for years, through their acquisitions of Precision, Orion, a/d/s, etc. I asked him a while back about the PPI 356/355cs vs the a/d/s 346/345cs and he confirmed that they are basically the same.

He indicated that the tweets and xovers are basically identical to the a/d/s 3XXcs. The mids have been changed up a bit with the removable phase plug for the convertible tweeter mount and use a lighter material on the cone.

Also, if you compare the a/d/s & PPI PDF manuals online, they are 90&#37; identical.

Just blew another ID mid... thinking about changing things up and trying the PPI 356cs.

here to buy
06-15-2009, 10:22 AM
the crossovers are 8 inch wide, my friend has them, sound great in sealed pods

mcsoul
06-15-2009, 11:58 AM
I believe we have a new forum component set boner firming up here.

It comes with a lot of nice tweeter mounting hardware too.

http://images.sonicelectronix.com/images/236319/big/356cs.jpg

adas
06-15-2009, 12:03 PM
they are awesome comps....I had a set of the 365cs, they sound amazing...and seriously, for that price-thats stupid cheap! I still have a like new 355cs set I'm trying to sell, if anyones interested.

FoxPro5
06-15-2009, 09:09 PM
do you think that 6.5" will do 4k?


Probably not well due to beaming. A 6.5" driver will start to beam (off axis suffers as the dispersion starts to narrow) at around 2khz. If you had it on axis, then it might be ok, but you'd have to take the T/S data and model it up to know for sure.

Xprime4
06-15-2009, 09:09 PM
So they are rebadge high-end stuff? how would they compared to the image dynamics ctx65cs set?

perfecxionX
06-16-2009, 12:35 AM
couldnt resist so i ordered a set. ill update how i like the sound

civicman07
06-16-2009, 08:42 PM
Might try out a set, which place would u rather get them from ikesound or sonic electronics?

mcsoul
06-17-2009, 11:54 AM
couldnt resist so i ordered a set. ill update how i like the sound

Thank you, look forward to your review!

civicman07
06-17-2009, 05:50 PM
Might try out a set, which place would u rather get them from ikesound or sonic electronics?

civicman07
06-18-2009, 06:45 PM
Anyone else messed around with these or heard anything about them, might pick up a set but not sure if i want to get them chepaer from ikesound or pay a lil more and get them from sonic electronics?

civicman07
07-02-2009, 07:21 PM
Got my set the other day, Hope they sound as good as they look, the xovers are very large, they are about 8" by 4 1/2".

Xprime4
07-06-2009, 01:28 PM
update? looking got new mids, but if the set is better than ctx65cs, i'll definitevely get one

stocker08
07-06-2009, 02:05 PM
These are only $120 shipped from million buy on ebay. $100 shipped for the 5.25" comps. Probably gonna be picking a pair of the 5.25" comps up.

They are only rated at 60 watts a piece for the 6.5" and 50 watts for the 5.25". Anyone know if they will take at least double the power??

stocker08
07-06-2009, 02:22 PM
**** it, $100 for a set of comps with a 1 year warrenty sounds good to me. Hopefully they can take the power without blowing.

tez4life
07-06-2009, 02:26 PM
Im kind of interested as well, seems like a hell of a deal.

civicman07
07-06-2009, 05:10 PM
These are only $120 shipped from million buy on ebay. $100 shipped for the 5.25" comps. Probably gonna be picking a pair of the 5.25" comps up.

They are only rated at 60 watts a piece for the 6.5" and 50 watts for the 5.25". Anyone know if they will take at least double the power??

Heres the link to the owners manual, under amplifier requirements its says what they recommend for power handling, havent had a chance to get mine hooked up yet.
http://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/og/precision_power/G39302.07_2007-09post.pdf

stocker08
07-06-2009, 05:21 PM
Heres the link to the owners manual, under amplifier requirements its says what they recommend for power handling, havent had a chance to get mine hooked up yet.
http://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/og/precision_power/G39302.07_2007-09post.pdf

Thanks, sounds like they will handle the power fine.

Xprime4
07-06-2009, 10:20 PM
if i don't find any mids to replace the one in my ctx65cs set, i'll probably buy this. I just want a review, hook them up :D

sensivity is only 86db w/m.. pretty low. So inefficient set? maybe they aren't excactly what i'm looking for. i need something freaking loud than won't blow from around 300watt per side with some headroom

stocker08
07-07-2009, 09:06 AM
if i don't find any mids to replace the one in my ctx65cs set, i'll probably buy this. I just want a review, hook them up :D

sensivity is only 86db w/m.. pretty low. So inefficient set? maybe they aren't excactly what i'm looking for. i need something freaking loud than won't blow from around 300watt per side with some headroom

I think with 300 watts, the low sensitivity should not be too much of a problem. I will try to get a review up by saturday if I recieve the speakers by then.

Xprime4
07-07-2009, 01:27 PM
also what is tweeter size? 25mm? i want to be sure they'll fit in my tweeter hole

perfecxionX
07-08-2009, 06:02 PM
if i don't find any mids to replace the one in my ctx65cs set, i'll probably buy this. I just want a review, hook them up :D

sensivity is only 86db w/m.. pretty low. So inefficient set? maybe they aren't excactly what i'm looking for. i need something freaking loud than won't blow from around 300watt per side with some headroom

After installing them, i like the sound but have to say that I'm not very impressed with the output. My amp is rated at 100, but I'm really tempted to bridge it (400) and see how long they last. But honestly the problem probably isn't the speakers, its that I'm trying to balance a single set with an 18" omega.

tez4life
07-09-2009, 12:00 AM
After installing them, i like the sound but have to say that I'm not very impressed with the output. My amp is rated at 100, but I'm really tempted to bridge it (400) and see how long they last. But honestly the problem probably isn't the speakers, its that I'm trying to balance a single set with an 18" omega.


I got you, its kind of the same issue I had with my Rockford Fosgate Power series Comps, (they had a low sensitivity too, around 89db I believe).

I had a Orion 4002 pushing them at first, (100w RMS per channel) and sounded ok, just not as loud as I would have liked. Then, just for the hell of it, I bridged my Orion mono (400w RMS a 4ohm) to a single comp and was blown away, it was a huge difference.

Im really tempted to snatch up those comps, I have a big Rockford Fosgate here that does 300w RMS per channel at 4ohm and around 450-470w RMS at 2 ohm stereo, I think it would push them well.

Comps had a pleasant sound overall though?

ealvar
07-09-2009, 12:09 AM
Getting ready to run a set of these active. Hopefully I can get my lazy butt in gear this weekend and get them installed.

Using an Eclipse CD7000 in 3 way mode (low pass subwoofer, bandpass mids, high pass tweets) to a Boston Acoustics GT-40 amp (55w to each mid & tweet) and a GT-20 amp (250w to an eD SQ10.

They will be replacing a set of Image Dynamics Chameleons. I've been running ID CXS components for the last 10 years so this will be something new.

I will post my impressions once I get the install done.

I love the ID Chameleons and it will be tough to top them. We will see.

Xprime4
07-10-2009, 01:57 PM
Getting ready to run a set of these active. Hopefully I can get my lazy butt in gear this weekend and get them installed.

Using an Eclipse CD7000 in 3 way mode (low pass subwoofer, bandpass mids, high pass tweets) to a Boston Acoustics GT-40 amp (55w to each mid & tweet) and a GT-20 amp (250w to an eD SQ10.

They will be replacing a set of Image Dynamics Chameleons. I've been running ID CXS components for the last 10 years so this will be something new.

I will post my impressions once I get the install done.

I love the ID Chameleons and it will be tough to top them. We will see.

i'm looking forward for a comparaison between the two

Xprime4
07-13-2009, 01:36 PM
any update ?

kendogg
07-13-2009, 06:00 PM
I just ordered a set off ebay from IkeSound. With my 8% Live cashback, it's like $110 shipped. I can't say no to that. They'll sit on a shelf for a bit, but thats ok, I can't let this deal pass me by.

Ignatowski
07-14-2009, 08:20 AM
After installing them, i like the sound but have to say that I'm not very impressed with the output. My amp is rated at 100, but I'm really tempted to bridge it (400) and see how long they last. But honestly the problem probably isn't the speakers, its that I'm trying to balance a single set with an 18" omega.



u under power them then complain they dont have the output you
were hoping for? :rolleyes:

Xprime4
07-14-2009, 07:48 PM
u under power them then complain they dont have the output you
were hoping for? :rolleyes:

how do you defined underpowering? compare to what, ppi rating? aren't they rated something like 80w rms?

400 seems a bit high, i would set my gain around 250 first and then go higher if they take it without stressing

ealvar
07-14-2009, 08:12 PM
how do you defined underpowering? compare to what, ppi rating? aren't they rated something like 80w rms?

400 seems a bit high, i would set my gain around 250 first and then go higher if they take it without stressing

150w per side passive should be about right. For active you can get away with more power when set up correctly.

I have a buddy who's worked for Directed (they own a/d/s and PPI) for decades. He has the a/d/s 346cs in his daily driver with a Sony XES active electronic crossover. Here's his input on the a/d/s 346cs which is almost identical to the newer PPI 356cs that replaced them.

On a/d/s 346cs vs PPI 356cs: "Same tweeters, virtually identical crossovers, the woofers were modified to use a lighter cone and they added a phase plug. [...]our speaker designer says they fixed all of the issues the 346cs had with the mid/woofer not keeping up with the tweeters."

On running active vs passive: "Tough call... on the one hand, being able to set the levels on the tweeters actively is the best way to make the 346cs shine. On the other hand, more power usually sounds better plus you risk adding noise or phase shifts with the additional crossover in the signal path. As far as power, I'm running about 150WPC to the 346cs mids and around 100WPC to the tweeters, with no passive networks at all & that works great. Some of the credit for that is in the XES processing though with its sharp cut-off's and other tweaks. "

On crossover points in an active setup: "I get away with 2.82kHz but there's signs of strain on very strong vocal cuts & I'm running 36dB/octave filters (or 72dB; can't remember the XES spec for that). Would be thinking more like 3.5kHz or so with a 12dB slope. "

I'm planning on (finally) getting mine installed this weekend.

My initial plan is to bandpass the mids at 80Hz & 3.1kHz @ 24dB/octave, and high pass the tweets at 3.1kHz @ 24dB/octave.

My head unit is an Eclipse CD7000 which I'll be using as my active crossover. The mids will be getting 100w each from a 2 channel Boston Acoustics GT-22 and the tweets will be getting 55w each from 2 channels of a Boston Acoustics GT-40. The other two channels are bridged to 240x1 to an Elemental Designs SQ10.

I'm sure there will be some tweaking to be done, especially getting the gains set correctly on the two amps so that the mids and tweets blend well.

perfecxionX
07-14-2009, 10:52 PM
ive got a powerbass asa600.4 (100@4x4 , or 400@4x2 bridged)
so, do you think i would be better off going active with 100, or 2-300 passive?

my goal at the moment is output

stocker08
07-15-2009, 12:59 AM
ive got a powerbass asa600.4 (100@4x4 , or 400@4x2 bridged)
so, do you think i would be better off going active with 100, or 2-300 passive?

my goal at the moment is output


Mess around with it. Try it passive, bridge the amp, try setting them up active. Find out what works for you. Guess and check until you find the setup that suits you the best.

Ignatowski
07-15-2009, 09:14 AM
how do you defined underpowering? compare to what, ppi rating? aren't they rated something like 80w rms?

400 seems a bit high, i would set my gain around 250 first and then go higher if they take it without stressing


PPIs rating is underpowered

tez4life
07-15-2009, 10:07 AM
150w per side passive should be about right. For active you can get away with more power when set up correctly.

I have a buddy who's worked for Directed (they own a/d/s and PPI) for decades. He has the a/d/s 346cs in his daily driver with a Sony XES active electronic crossover. Here's his input on the a/d/s 346cs which is almost identical to the newer PPI 356cs that replaced them.

On a/d/s 346cs vs PPI 356cs: "Same tweeters, virtually identical crossovers, the woofers were modified to use a lighter cone and they added a phase plug. [...]our speaker designer says they fixed all of the issues the 346cs had with the mid/woofer not keeping up with the tweeters."

On running active vs passive: "Tough call... on the one hand, being able to set the levels on the tweeters actively is the best way to make the 346cs shine. On the other hand, more power usually sounds better plus you risk adding noise or phase shifts with the additional crossover in the signal path. As far as power, I'm running about 150WPC to the 346cs mids and around 100WPC to the tweeters, with no passive networks at all & that works great. Some of the credit for that is in the XES processing though with its sharp cut-off's and other tweaks. "

On crossover points in an active setup: "I get away with 2.82kHz but there's signs of strain on very strong vocal cuts & I'm running 36dB/octave filters (or 72dB; can't remember the XES spec for that). Would be thinking more like 3.5kHz or so with a 12dB slope. "

I'm planning on (finally) getting mine installed this weekend.

My initial plan is to bandpass the mids at 80Hz & 3.1kHz @ 24dB/octave, and high pass the tweets at 3.1kHz @ 24dB/octave.

My head unit is an Eclipse CD7000 which I'll be using as my active crossover. The mids will be getting 100w each from a 2 channel Boston Acoustics GT-22 and the tweets will be getting 55w each from 2 channels of a Boston Acoustics GT-40. The other two channels are bridged to 240x1 to an Elemental Designs SQ10.

I'm sure there will be some tweaking to be done, especially getting the gains set correctly on the two amps so that the mids and tweets blend well.



Very nice feedback, I plan on purchasing (2) sets myself, and was hoping that my Sundown 125.2 would be enough power.

stocker08
07-15-2009, 09:44 PM
After about 6 hours of running speaker wire and installing the speakers, I finally got them in and they sound pretty good. Much better than the rsd's and I haven't even gotten them broken in yet. I am just glad the midrange is not harsh like with the rsd's.

kendogg
07-15-2009, 10:01 PM
I got mine today. 2 day shipping from Ike, bought them from Ike on ebay. They'll probably sit on a shelf for a year or 2, but hey - can you beat it for <$120 shipped?? Highly, highly unlikely.

ealvar
07-16-2009, 04:40 PM
db drive - the road to breaking 180 db's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCnYJLtbzBs

What's up with this guy... looks like spam... guy has 15 posts, all with the same message and YouTube link. All posted in the last 20 minutes.

Rich B
07-16-2009, 04:41 PM
What's up with this guy... looks like spam... guy has 15 posts, all with the same message and YouTube link. All posted in the last 20 minutes.



It is spam, report him.

Abarca
08-13-2009, 06:03 PM
this may seem dumb but what exactly does a bi-ampable xover give you?

advantages/disadvantages?

grayson73
08-23-2009, 11:59 PM
They're back on E-bay. I ordered one for $121 shipped after 10&#37; Bing cashback.

Any recommendations for a 4 channel amp around $100 to power these up front and factory speakers (or bridged for sub) with rears??

perfecxionX
08-25-2009, 03:13 AM
whatever you get dont just match amp specs to ppi's recommended power specs. get an amp thats rated at at least 200w

tc3k101
08-25-2009, 03:15 AM
They're back on E-bay. I ordered one for $121 shipped after 10% Bing cashback.

Any recommendations for a 2 channel amp around $100 to power these?

http://www.caraudiodeals.com/mb-quart-dsc4125-p-2250.html

grayson73
08-26-2009, 02:30 PM
http://www.caraudiodeals.com/mb-quart-dsc4125-p-2250.html

Thanks for the recommendation! Would these be able to power the 356cs with front channels and bridge to power a sub with rear channels?

Nut Hair Trick
08-26-2009, 02:38 PM
I thought about getting 2 sets of these PPI's and run them off that MBQ amp. Run active, with tweets on the front channel, and mids on the rear channel. But, I would need something to where I could bandpass the mids since I don't think this amp has that option.

abercrombie2582
08-27-2009, 02:22 AM
Most guys over at diyma are running them over 100 watts per channel. The manual states anywhere from 45 to 135(either that or 150, cant remember offhand), so 100 watts should be enough power to work with.

Then again, you could always overpower them with a higher wattage amp and keep the gains low.

Ignatowski
08-27-2009, 08:24 AM
quit bullshitting and review em !

grayson73
08-29-2009, 12:28 AM
Does anyone have a detailed installation manual? The one that came with it doesn't tell you which screws to use and doesn't have enough pictures.

What are the two round metal brackets for? Do they go on the back side of the speaker?

What are the two foam strips for and how do you use them? The manual says to use them for a tight seal, but how?

What are the small foam pieces wrapped in white in the bag for?

Ignatowski
08-29-2009, 08:39 AM
Does anyone have a detailed installation manual? The one that came with it doesn't tell you which screws to use and doesn't have enough pictures.

What are the two round metal brackets for? Do they go on the back side of the speaker?

What are the two foam strips for and how do you use them? The manual says to use them for a tight seal, but how?

What are the small foam pieces wrapped in white in the bag for?

who let the noobs out ?

grayson73
08-29-2009, 10:25 AM
I've installed speakers in the past, but they were simply drop in and screw. :)

AllenH427
08-29-2009, 11:54 AM
$120 shipped from Sonix for the 5.25s... Wow. I don't know where I'd stick these, but that's a killer deal.

jadon087
08-29-2009, 11:56 AM
where the cheapest place to buy these at right now?

grayson73
08-29-2009, 07:01 PM
where the cheapest place to buy these at right now?

You can get it for $121 shipped on Ebay with Bing Cashback 10% from Sonic Electronix if they list it again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/PRECISION-POWER-PPI-356CS-6-5-CAR-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ290342981176QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC ar_Speakers?hash=item4399ca4e38&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Otherwise, you can get it directly from Sonic Electronix for $139.99 plus shipping.

BASS_WARRIOR
08-29-2009, 07:21 PM
This thread fails. 6 pages over like 2 months and not 1 **** review.

grayson73
08-30-2009, 12:36 AM
This thread fails. 6 pages over like 2 months and not 1 **** review.

There are 4 reviews of the 356cs here:

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductReview.aspx?ProductID=17974

2 reviews of the 355cs here:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17117_Precision+Power+PPI+355CS.html

SQL4Life
09-01-2009, 12:25 PM
This thread fails. 6 pages over like 2 months and not 1 **** review.

thats how it is on ca.com...on the other car audio site there are some reviews on there.

Xprime4
09-07-2009, 01:48 PM
review from the website *****, they're noobs review

still interrested in a real expert review

Xprime4
09-07-2009, 05:16 PM
thats how it is on ca.com...on the other car audio site there are some reviews on there.

what website caraudioforum?

i'll on the verge of buying these, but i can't affort to buy something i won't like

nabissssco
09-07-2009, 05:31 PM
I have a set in my car. Very nice comps and a lot of install options. The build quality is top notch and the sq is awesome. Great midbass and the tweeter is perfect, nice and soft. I tested the focal 165's b4 I bought them and from the speakers I tested they were the most like them.

here to buy
09-07-2009, 05:32 PM
I have a set for sale.
everything is BNIB
110 shipped
authorized as well

Xprime4
09-08-2009, 10:17 AM
I'm about to jump in the ppi train

but the overall loudness is scaring me, i need it loud, at least as loud as my id ctx65cs were of 300w / side

stocker08
09-08-2009, 03:00 PM
I have been running the 5.25" set of these for several months now. Before that I had the PG Rsd's. The build quality on this set is very solid and the sound is very smooth. The rsd's on the other hand, were quite harsh. These components also come with a whole slew of mounting options which is nice. I am giving these comps about 100 watts rms per side, the same as the rsd's before I replaced them and these take the power much much better. As for the low sensitivity......that could be a problem for some of you with a large sub stage. I am only running one 12" W6 and these drown out my sub. Its also kind of hard for me to compare output because the rsd's had equally low sensitivity. You would be hard pressed to find a better set for this price however. I am very happy with my purchase.

Oh and sorry about the poor review, if you have any questions, I would be happy to answer them.

av8ter
09-09-2009, 12:43 AM
Did the rsds get louder on the same power?

I have RSDs in the front of my teg and I am thinking about switching to these while completely deadening and sealing my doors.

I LOVE SQ but everybody loves getting loud too.

Kevin

billbillw
09-09-2009, 12:56 AM
Any opinions on whether the 6.5" version is really worth the price premium over the 5.25"? The 355cs is only $75 right now, the 356cs is still $135.

av8ter
09-09-2009, 01:00 AM
Buy two sets of the 5.25 for that price if you can fiberglass lol.


Kevin

Xprime4
09-15-2009, 03:42 PM
I just jump on the ppi train. I'll give a review after i get to hear them

mcsoul
09-16-2009, 11:30 AM
looking forward to it.

Mike Burke
09-20-2009, 03:45 PM
I about the jump in and buy a set of these. Is my MB Quart DSC 480 going to be enough to power these ?
Thanks , Mike

perfecxionX
09-21-2009, 04:22 PM
I about the jump in and buy a set of these. Is my MB Quart DSC 480 going to be enough to power these ?
Thanks , Mike

if you bridge it

Mike Burke
09-21-2009, 06:21 PM
Holly Cow...bridged is 320 watts :wow:
are they going to take that much to operate ?
I understand the more power the better , but I,m not looking to blow the doors off. Is it even worth running 80 watts thru them ?

Xprime4
09-21-2009, 08:06 PM
Holly Cow...bridged is 320 watts :wow:
are they going to take that much to operate ?
I understand the more power the better , but I,m not looking to blow the doors off. Is it even worth running 80 watts thru them ?

just set your gain around 150-200watts at a given level and see how they work. if they seems stress, distort or smell, lower your gain a tad till you see where they're confortable.

Any speakers sound better at higher volume will alot of headroom.


edit: and I don't think mb quart discuss line will do rated

Xprime4
09-25-2009, 11:53 AM
got them few minutes ago, first reaction was

my god, that box is huge :eek:

it looks like a big amp box, pretty heavy too

mids aren't really heavy but the crossover... !!!!! they look so much better in real life. They look solid and quality build, no cheapo plastic

they must be like 5lbs each, sick :D

gone to instal them

purify
10-03-2009, 01:01 PM
how do they sound so far?

BLD 25
10-03-2009, 09:07 PM
he did a full review in the general section. Just search 356cs and it will pop up.

purify
10-04-2009, 01:29 PM
he did a full review in the general section. Just search 356cs and it will pop up.

thanks!

here's the link for anyone interested

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=436610&highlight=356cs

nabissssco
10-24-2009, 01:24 AM
I know its been a couple weeks since the last post but have you gotten the ppi's yet? I have a set and there off the chain! Ive got them being ran off 100wrms per side xover at 80hz with a 18db slope and they blend perfect with my IDQ 12 v2. Great comps and the build quality is awesome.