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blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 02:23 PM
im looking for a new tv for the house. im looking for something around 32-42", flat panel.

it does not have to be top of the line, and im looking to spend around 500$. i will have a ps3 with hdmi on it. most likely my laptop hooked up to it for audio, and eventually a nice soundstage for it.

i want something with amazing picture, and the tv has to be black in color. ive never looked real in depth into tv's till now, and i found out i really dont know much about them.

im sure there are alot of other people here that know a ton more about them then i do, so im looking for suggestions. i will most likely upgrade to hdtv when i get it, and im real big into sports.

im not sure on lcd or plasma, because i dont really know the pros and cons of them, but i know i want a new tv and soon. i have the money for it and am ready to buy.

any input is highly appreciated...thank you in advance

dvrmstrng
06-06-2009, 02:30 PM
for maybe like $150 more you can get a Vizio VU42LF i think it is...42" 1080p

1rockford1
06-06-2009, 02:41 PM
check out walmart with only 500 or so u should make out good. try to find some one that works there for there 10% off. Gl

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 02:41 PM
is that what you have?

1rockford1
06-06-2009, 02:42 PM
sayno are not bad walmart use to offer a free 1 year warenty so after 8 months u canbbring back for a new one . i did that i had a 26 inch lcd, i would see if they still offer that.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 02:44 PM
well i was looking into some panasonic, i really like the looks of them.

1rockford1
06-06-2009, 02:45 PM
well i was looking into some panasonic, i really like the looks of them.

there ok u dont here bad things nor to many good things. stay away from rca if u check out walmart or bestbuy etc. there **** at best

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 02:50 PM
what about samsung

1rockford1
06-06-2009, 02:57 PM
what about samsung

not bad they cost alot. my sister has a nice big one im not sure of the size.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 03:35 PM
any good sites on where to learn more about plasma and lcd tv's?

1rockford1
06-06-2009, 03:37 PM
look around on tthe web, i dont check out tv stuff lol. i just know a good tv when i see one. what u have now?

Brian_smith06
06-06-2009, 03:44 PM
panasonics are awesome.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 07:01 PM
i had a sony 41" rear projection tv that was made in 98. i loved it, but i gave it to my buddy and am now moved in with my g/f and am looking for something more modern and alot better.

brian, do you have a panasonic? if so which model and what did you pay?

Enellz
06-06-2009, 07:11 PM
Well it depends on your needs. The new LCDs are getting better with color, but plasmas are better for watching movies due to it's color being a little richer. however I have 42" LCD and looks good on games and Blu Ray, though I think I might get a plasma soon. But I heard plasmas don't like videogames too much. with 500 though don't expect nothing too good new, I would save up some more and at least have a grand to shop with. google it, and see what comes up.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 08:25 PM
im looking for the best of both worlds. i want something thats gonna run good games without any "ghost blur" i think its called. but i want something with great color for movies and tv.

i have more to spend but i was hoping to spend around 500$. if i can get a payment plan through the place then i will easily spend more, but i dont wanna spend that much all at once

Johnny Law.Lulz
06-06-2009, 08:28 PM
I got a Insignia from bestbuy and honestly i couldnt tell the difference between it and the sonys. Go to bestbuy and look at them. i forgot how much it was though.

mobeious
06-06-2009, 08:37 PM
i got a 50" samsung plasma does great on movies and games no complaints

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 08:41 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9244329&type=product&id=1218068507560

anyone got any input on that tv. it falls into my budget range, has the inputs that i need, and its appreance is appealing and will fit well into my system

what tv do you have mob?

1rockford1
06-06-2009, 08:44 PM
wall mart near me has a floor model for 450. i was gona buy it but i have other stuff to buy. looked pretty cool

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 08:52 PM
the floor model of what i posted?

kpozr2
06-06-2009, 08:56 PM
at around 500 your looking at 720p resolution mainly. for around 800 you could get a decent set with 1080p. I would stick with Samsung or Sony, or else Panasonic.

perhaps these in no particular order
42" Samsung Plasma (720p) -around $700.00
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN42B450-42-Inch-720p-Plasma/dp/B001ULBPAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1244335482&sr=1-1

32" Samsung LCD (720) - $550.00
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN32B460-32-Inch-720p-HDTV/dp/B001U3Y8MW/ref=sr_1
_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1244335761&sr=1-6

32" Sony LCD (720p)- $549.99
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KDL-32L5000-32-Inch-Black/dp/B001S2RDCM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1244335867&sr=1-2


Panasonic 42" Plasma (720p) -$725.00
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P42X1-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B001SE4YQS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1244336063&sr=1-3

kpozr2
06-06-2009, 08:59 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9244329&type=product&id=1218068507560

anyone got any input on that tv. it falls into my budget range, has the inputs that i need, and its appreance is appealing and will fit well into my system

what tv do you have mob?


good lookin set with a nice 2mil:1 dynamic contrast ratio. only 2 hdmi inputs, although you only have a ps3 and possibly HD cable.

1rockford1
06-06-2009, 08:59 PM
the floor model of what i posted?

yes i was thinking about it but i said f uck it. i got amps to buy

ejschultz
06-06-2009, 09:11 PM
get an lg 37 or 42 inch 720p lcd or a 720p panasonic plasma. 1080p is a waste of money unless you're going 55 inches or bigger. lg has some good quality tvs. panasonic has some of the highest rated plasmas out there. i've got a 42 inch 720 panasonic plasma model th42px80u; it looks better than my sony xbr. i've never owned an lg lcd, but i used to sell them and they always had extremely high customer ratings. i haven't heard too many good things about lg plasmas though. there's my 2 cents.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 09:13 PM
good lookin set with a nice 2mil:1 dynamic contrast ratio. only 2 hdmi inputs, although you only have a ps3 and possibly HD cable.

would a vga out on a laptop have a cable that would run into an hdmi input?

focused313
06-06-2009, 09:27 PM
i have a 32" samsung in my bedroom and I abosutely love it. I got it back in 07 though and it was $900. I have a Dynex 42" that was $499 in the living room, but I don't think the picture is as good. It's a 1080p, but that doesn't matter since the highest cable is broadcast is in 1080i. I also don't think the refresh rate is as good on the Dynex, it does the job though.

i have the xbox360 on hdmi, the wii too regular audio/video, and a 5.1 surround system thru an optical cable from the tv to the optical in on the receiver.

Enellz
06-06-2009, 09:28 PM
I think so, but why not get one with a VGA input?

chase007
06-06-2009, 09:32 PM
www.newegg.com

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 09:35 PM
If you're gonna go with plasma, I would normally say go Panasonic, end of story. However, this year's Samsung plasma models look great and are extremely well priced. If you are thinking of getting an lcd, for the money, Samsung = win. Personally, with a ps3, I would maybe save up a little for 1080p, or get a payment plan with a store like Sears which is where I work and we always have no interest, no payments deals going on with tv's. I don't care what anyone says, there is a HUGE difference between 720p and 1080p. Just shop around, and make sure you ask questions to your local stores.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 09:44 PM
If you're gonna go with plasma, I would normally say go Panasonic, end of story. However, this year's Samsung plasma models look great and are extremely well priced. If you are thinking of getting an lcd, for the money, Samsung = win. Personally, with a ps3, I would maybe save up a little for 1080p, or get a payment plan with a store like Sears which is where I work and we always have no interest, no payments deals going on with tv's. I don't care what anyone says, there is a HUGE difference between 720p and 1080p. Just shop around, and make sure you ask questions to your local stores.

but for me upgrading from a 98 tube tv, to a flat panel 720p, i dont think i would be dissapointed in 720p.

im sure theres a difference but to me i would rather spend my money (budget in mind) on a higher tier 720p plasma, then a lower end 1080.

Enellz
06-06-2009, 09:46 PM
There is a differance between 720P and 1080P, but it's all depends on type of TV you have period. since you have a Ps3, as do I, and from my personal experience get a 1080P. The gaming and blu ray looks better. But most importantly, look at the ratio for the tv, and refresh rate, due to you gaming. Yes the native resolution plays a part, but RATIO makes a huge difference. Both TVs could be 720P, but if one is 10,000:1 and one is 20,000:1, which one has the better picture?

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 09:49 PM
im assuming the 20,000:1 does...am i right?

im new to tv's i neve rreally payed much attention becuase ive never made a big purchase like this on one.

and when i look at tv's there are a couple different ratios i see, there is dynamic and another, which one do i look at?

Enellz
06-06-2009, 09:59 PM
im assuming the 20,000:1 does...am i right?

im new to tv's i neve rreally payed much attention becuase ive never made a big purchase like this on one.

and when i look at tv's there are a couple different ratios i see, there is dynamic and another, which one do i look at?

Here is an example of a Brevia off Walmart.com:


# 37" LCD monitor with 1366 x 768 resolution
# Aspect Ratio: 16:9
# Contrast Ratio: 1600:1 (Dynamic Contrast Ratio)
# Viewing Angle: 178 horizontal, 178 vertical
# Response Time: 8ms
# Video Input
# HDMI: 1 HDMI w/ HDCP, PC + Video, Plug & Play
# Component Input: 3 Component + 3 R/L RCA Audio
# VGA Input: RGB 15 Pin D-sub, PC + Video, Plug & Play, Third Component Input + R/L RCA Audio
# S-Video Input: 2 S-Video with R/L RCA Audio (Share w/AV Input)
# AV Input: 2 Composite Video with R/L RCA Audio (Share w/S-Video)
# RF: NTSC/ATSC Combo Tuner
# Audio Output: 1 R/L RCA Audio, 1 Coaxial Audio, 1 Subwoofer
# Digital Output: 1 Optical Audio
# Headphone: 1 Stereo Mini jack
# Speakers: 30 Watt Speakers (2X15W)
# Video: NTSC & ATSC with High Definition (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i)
# PC: Compatible up to 1360x768@60Hz preferred
# Voltage: 100-240 (universal), 50-60Hz
# Consumption: 180 watts
# Front Panel: Power, Menu, Source, Channel up/down, volume up/down
# Remote: Simple Remote Control
# Service Port: USB


Everything I put in bold is pretty much what you 'mainly' need to look for: Ratio, the better the number, the better the colors amd overall quality. Response time, this is the refresh rate of the tv. Like if you playing or watching sports and such and you get that blur effect behind the moving object, thats your tv, trying to keep up with it. The lesser the refresh rate, the quicker it is, and the smoother the picture. Then inputs, people over look these until the get into home theatre. Try to get as many HDMI as possible, and a digital optical input is always nice too for older A/V recievers. Aw, also look into self calibrating your TV, to get the most out of it.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 10:09 PM
so i want a high contrast ratio, low refresh rate, and be sure that the video inputs suit what i need?

when you see a tv talking about 60hz or 120hz, what is that about? i thought that had something to do with the refresh rate.

Enellz
06-06-2009, 10:11 PM
so i want a high contrast ratio, low refresh rate, and be sure that the video inputs suit what i need?

when you see a tv talking about 60hz or 120hz, what is that about? i thought that had something to do with the refresh rate.

Thats also refresh rate, low response time, and the a higher hz. 120 is great, if you can get that you'll be in good shape. 240hz versions just came out.

Ellsworthz
06-06-2009, 10:13 PM
i herd the vizeo (sp) ones were decent budget ones.

I'd personally get a 32" Samsung, or a sony braivia. own both an the picture its great

32" samsung and 52" Braivia

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:20 PM
Don't get me wrong, 720p is great. It's light years better than any standard def tv res. I just said that 1080p might be best for you because you seem to want to have this tv for a while and 1080p broadcasts are going to become much more frequent in the next few years.

Someone was mentioning contrast ratio. While this is a major factor in the overall picture quality of a television, it is not the end all be all. The main problem with comparing tv's contrast ratios is that every tv company uses a different scale by which they measure the contrast ratio of the tv. Most of the numbers are not true ratios and are dynamic, not static, but that's besides the point. For an everyday buyer, contrast ratio is a good number to go by, but mostly, take a look at the tv's you are considering and decide for yourself which set looks better. If in your eyes the $500 vizio looks just as good as the $1000 sony, then by all means buy the vizio. Its all in the eyes of the beholder.

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:22 PM
Thats also refresh rate, low response time, and the a higher hz. 120 is great, if you can get that you'll be in good shape. 240hz versions just came out.

This is true for lcd's, but as far as plasma sets, they will always have higher refress rates. Last years model plasmas were in the 400hz range and this years are in the 600hz range

ejschultz
06-06-2009, 10:23 PM
there is no industry standard for measuring contrast ratio. It's a gimic brand names use to make their tvs appear better than others. Contrast only matters when compairing tvs within the same brand and technology. Do some reading about contrast and you'll see I'm correct. Don't be niave and purchase a tv based on contrast ratio. Trust me on this one. I've sold tvs before and I'm getting back into the business. I know what I'm talking about.

Enellz
06-06-2009, 10:24 PM
since 500 is the limit only two I see above 30" decent are these two:

Vizio here (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10993794) Not bad, for the price, and the contrast ratio isnt bad. If you need to be under 5 that bad, than pick this.

The 37" Olieva. (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=11004014) Big for the price, but I dont like it. Horrible contrast ratio, response is slow, and not enough connections for it to big so large. IMO stay away.

37" Vizio (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10993795&findingMethod=rr) Not the best, but for the price, not bad at all. Its a 1080P, contrast isnt That bad, 4ms response time, and 3 HDMI with optical input. However its 597 plus tax, but for all that and 1080P I say get it. ;)

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 10:25 PM
Thats also refresh rate, low response time, and the a higher hz. 120 is great, if you can get that you'll be in good shape. 240hz versions just came out.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9244329&type=product&id=1218068507560

Contrast Ratio15,000:1 (2,000,000:1 dynamic)
Screen Refresh Rate 600Hz

HDMI Inputs 2
S-Video Inputs 1
Component Video Inputs 2
Composite Inputs 2

what i dont understand though, is if the refresh rate is 600hz, would that mean my refresh rate, is 1.67ms?

that doesnt seem right at all.

i really like this tv, its fits my budget well, love its apperance, and seems like a decent tv to me.

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:32 PM
I say go with that Panasonic. Its a very nice looking set, and Panasonic's are bulletproof. I have a question though. Are you planning on upgrading to HD cable/satellite? If you aren't, and you watch cable/satellite with any regularity, I would seriously suggest you think twice. A high def tv on regular 480i cable broadcasts looks worse most of the time than the SD tv's you're used to.

Enellz
06-06-2009, 10:33 PM
Didnt know you liked Plasmas, thought you wanted only LCDs. But anyway I think it looks good, my only thing is I hate the HDMI input having one on the side, and no digital optical input. But over not bad. I would still buy a 1080P man, go for it. I think your in good shape though, just dont use the side HDMI, wires stick out like a swore thumb like mine:

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=1e53564b2c&view=att&th=121b88dd28115604&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

:mad: not cool....

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:35 PM
Didnt know you liked Plasmas, thought you wanted only LCDs. But anyway I think it looks good, my only thing is I hate the HDMI input having one on the side, and no digital optical input. But over not bad. I would still buy a 1080P man, go for it. I think your in good shape though, just dont use the side HDMI, wires stick out like a swore them like mine:

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=1e53564b2c&view=att&th=121b88dd28115604&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

:mad: not cool....
I'm not trying to be a ****, but where do you see HDMI inputs on the side of that tv?

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 10:35 PM
yes i will eventually upgrade. im waiting for uverse to be available in my area, because thats what i had before i moved and i loved it. but right now i would prolly not upgrade for another 6 months or so. but will not use the cable nearly as much as movies, ps3, and computer.

wil running std cable on an hdtv, hurt it at all? (im sure thats a dumb question, but i dont know the answer)

Enellz
06-06-2009, 10:36 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9244329&type=product&id=1218068507560

Contrast Ratio15,000:1 (2,000,000:1 dynamic)
Screen Refresh Rate 600Hz

HDMI Inputs 2
S-Video Inputs 1
Component Video Inputs 2
Composite Inputs 2

what i dont understand though, is if the refresh rate is 600hz, would that mean my refresh rate, is 1.67ms?

that doesnt seem right at all.

i really like this tv, its fits my budget well, love its apperance, and seems like a decent tv to me.

First off plasmas has always had a faster refresh rate than LCDS, hence the 600hz, so playing games will be smooth as butter. And the refresh rate, is switching inputs, sound, etc. It reads the cable alot quicker, so your in good shape. Great find BTW

Enellz
06-06-2009, 10:38 PM
I'm not trying to be a ****, but where do you see HDMI inputs on the side of that tv?

D*mn Im double posting, naw not mine man, but the one he's looking at buying in the link, I was just showing him how wires showing all over the place like mines messes up the look.;)

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:38 PM
yes i will eventually upgrade. im waiting for uverse to be available in my area, because thats what i had before i moved and i loved it. but right now i would prolly not upgrade for another 6 months or so. but will not use the cable nearly as much as movies, ps3, and computer.

wil running std cable on an hdtv, hurt it at all? (im sure thats a dumb question, but i dont know the answer)

No, the std def won't hurt the tv at all, just may kill you a little on the inside to see your beautiful new tv with a crappy std def picture.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 10:38 PM
Didnt know you liked Plasmas, thought you wanted only LCDs. But anyway I think it looks good, my only thing is I hate the HDMI input having one on the side, and no digital optical input. But over not bad. I would still buy a 1080P man, go for it. I think your in good shape though, just dont use the side HDMI, wires stick out like a swore them like mine:

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=1e53564b2c&view=att&th=121b88dd28115604&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

:mad: not cool....


no im actually looking at plasmas, and what is the digital optical input used for?

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:39 PM
D*mn Im double posting, naw not mine man, but the one he's looking at buying in the link, I was just showing him how wires showing all over the place like mines messes up the look.;)

gotcha

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:39 PM
no im actually looking at plasmas, and what is the digital optical input used for?
Digital optical is the best audio input to use other than HDMI which in your case shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Enellz
06-06-2009, 10:43 PM
Digital optical is the best audio input to use other than HDMI which in your case shouldn't be that big of a deal.

x2, it was used before HDMI, but the reason why I said that, is that I still some A/V receivers dont have HDMI inputs. But the tv your looking at has it, just noticed it. Buy it man, I just feel for you. Standard cable on a HDTV.

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:45 PM
x2, it was used before HDMI, but the reason why I said that, is that I still some
A/V receivers dont have HDMI inputs.

Yeah when HDMI came around it pretty much took a **** on all other cables. Lol

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 10:45 PM
i thought the digital optical was an output

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:47 PM
i thought the digital optical was an output

It can be an output, from a receiver. But on a tv it is usually an input.

Enellz
06-06-2009, 10:47 PM
i thought the digital optical was an output

it is just noticed it was on your tv your looking at. So your fine either way.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 10:53 PM
so do you guys feel that this is a good buy for me. i mean i dont know a ton about tvs so thats why im here for help. obviously you guys know best, and i like alot about this tv, do you feel its a good buy for the price

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 10:56 PM
I say go for it. I love those Panasonics and you can't beat them for the price and the level of reliability and customer service that goes along with the brand.

aaronrchr
06-06-2009, 11:08 PM
btw your Grand Prix is sick

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 11:23 PM
its gettin there, i still have a ton of work to do on it. i think im gonna pick it up. ima go monday to the local BB and see if they have it in stock, if not then i will order it.

thank you guys for all your help, and i will keep you updated on how i like it.

ejschultz
06-06-2009, 11:42 PM
Tvs have optical outputs. Av receivers have optical inputs.

blackbonnie
06-06-2009, 11:50 PM
well after looking around for prices, i found it at buydig.com for 695$ shipped to me. sound like a better deal now?

Enellz
06-06-2009, 11:58 PM
Yea no tax ha!

da box king
06-06-2009, 11:59 PM
well after looking around for prices, i found it at buydig.com for 695$ shipped to me. sound like a better deal now?

For that I would just get it at best buy....best buy is good to deal with, and if there is a prob they will come to yur house and fix it. I think if its over 20" they come to yur house.

blackbonnie
06-07-2009, 12:17 AM
For that I would just get it at best buy....best buy is good to deal with, and if there is a prob they will come to yur house and fix it. I think if its over 20" they come to yur house.


yeah but i hate dealing with geek squad and i believe you pay for there services. dont you have to buy a plan for them to do that?

profundus-sanus
06-07-2009, 06:45 AM
yea, but its worth it imo..

i bought a 42" sony lcd-projection 3 years ago w/ a 4 year plan @ bb

they've replaced the bulb, input board twice, and some thermal switch... 2 days after i bought it i snapped the hdmi port inside it, because i bought too short of a cord and tried to move the tv.

the plan covered it.... then 3 years later the tv kept saying it was overheating and when they fixed that they replaced my bulb for free, even though it didn't need it. All was done while i was sitting on my couch..

+ you can try to deal w/ the salesperson @ best buy.. When i got my tv they threw in a hdmi cord, the service plan, and a 1080i upconverting dvd player for the original asking price of the tv...

blackbonnie
06-07-2009, 12:05 PM
well i will definately keep that in mind ^^^

mobeious
06-07-2009, 12:37 PM
wait tell they have a holiday sell
i bought a samsung i think its model is P50A550 it was 2199 went on sale for 2 days and i got it for 1199

dynamcpunk
06-07-2009, 01:03 PM
It's your tv go to best buy and look at all of the tv's and just get which one you like. I wanted to get one of the panasonic's at best buy but they were sold out everywhere and said they were back ordered for the next 2 months, but I was going to the 50 inch, so I went to walmart and got a sanyo 50 inch which I like alot and I got for a 1000 with a 3 year extened warrenty. I didn't listen all the hype people build up around the spec's of the tv's I went by what I though looked best and was the best buy it's my tv and as long as I like I don't give a **** what anyone else thinks.

blackbonnie
06-07-2009, 02:57 PM
well i will still be looking around and am not set on this tv until i actually see it in person. im hoping to go to BB tomarrow, and possibly walmart today to check out some tv's.

i would like to pick one up now, but part of me is saying wait till black friday, but i also no that its very tough to get a good deal on black friday lately for tv's.

i will go check some out though.

profundus-sanus
06-08-2009, 12:17 PM
i just bought the 47" version of this... http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10993797

might be something to consider. It's very similar to the 420xvt, which got good reviews over on avsforum

so far i'm pretty happy with it.