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srmd22
06-04-2009, 10:25 PM
Title says it all.
Heard the dyns can handle huge power, but will they perform with this modest amount (from the front channel of a JL Audio 500/5)

stuckinok
06-04-2009, 10:26 PM
you will do okay but they will beg for more...

srmd22
06-04-2009, 10:41 PM
Beg for more meaning won't get loud enough?

Snwbrdr1
06-04-2009, 11:39 PM
ya know I was wondering the same thing.....I just bought some Dyn's also and I am running them and some Alpine 2-ways off a RF T400-4. IDK maybe upgrade to more powa.

Hoodlum007
06-05-2009, 09:00 AM
Dyns are power hungry, give them at least 150 a side to get them going.

FoxPro5
06-05-2009, 10:30 AM
Ignore the RMS ratings on speakers and buy as much power as you can afford. "Enough" depends on music tastes, noise floor, etc...could be 50w or 500w. Also ignore subjective statements such as "100 watts should be good" because they are not you, don't listen to the same music as you, probably don't drive your car, etc. My opinion is that this will just frustrate you in the long run.

srmd22
06-05-2009, 10:08 PM
Ignore the RMS ratings on speakers and buy as much power as you can afford. "Enough" depends on music tastes, noise floor, etc...could be 50w or 500w. Also ignore subjective statements such as "100 watts should be good" because they are not you, don't listen to the same music as you, probably don't drive your car, etc. My opinion is that this will just frustrate you in the long run.

Are you saying that it is best just to get a ton of watts, no matter the speaker's rating?

I thought to many watts would blow a lower rated speaker. I am pretty sure that the JL blew my BA's (something did anyway).

I am thinking now that the Morel Tempo 6's would be better speakers for my amps (puny) 100x2 to the front. If it would sound significantly better, I am willing to get a jacked up amp AND the dynaudios-- if I can find an amp that will not take up my whole **** trunk, and will drive my subs and little rear fillers as well. The JL just barely fits back there.

Echo42987
06-06-2009, 12:36 AM
feeding mine 320 watts and they love it more then when I was just going them 100

HisHeirness23
08-20-2009, 06:31 PM
For those of you running the Esotec 222 active, how much power are you giving your tweeters? I have a 100x4 amp that I want to use, but don't want to overpower the tweeters.

eharri3
08-20-2009, 08:18 PM
Are you saying that it is best just to get a ton of watts, no matter the speaker's rating?

I thought to many watts would blow a lower rated speaker. I am pretty sure that the JL blew my BA's (something did anyway).

I am thinking now that the Morel Tempo 6's would be better speakers for my amps (puny) 100x2 to the front. If it would sound significantly better, I am willing to get a jacked up amp AND the dynaudios-- if I can find an amp that will not take up my whole **** trunk, and will drive my subs and little rear fillers as well. The JL just barely fits back there.

Too much or too little power doesn't kill a speaker. This is a myth spread by people who are in the habit of killing drivers but haven't yet figured out why it happens. It's what the user does with the controls that kills a speaker. With good high end speakers, buy as much power as you can and then use a combination of precise gain setting techniques, your ears, and the volume dial to protect your speakers.

I personally woudn't be afraid to throw a good speaker up to 2 or 2.5 times as much as its RMS rating. It just means cleaner musical peaks with clean power even at high volumes, with no need for 'gain overlap', ie tweaking the gain to get more loudness at normal listening levels at the expense of some clipping. This can actually give you longer life and more pleasurable listening than not running enough power and fixing the problem with the gain or volume dial. Kind of like how a tiny 4 cylinder engine that has to rev and rev and rev to give good performance will wear itself out faster than a strong V8 that gives you all you need with just a light stab of the gas.

bass_lover1
08-20-2009, 10:36 PM
Are you saying that it is best just to get a ton of watts, no matter the speaker's rating?

I thought to many watts would blow a lower rated speaker. I am pretty sure that the JL blew my BA's (something did anyway).

I am thinking now that the Morel Tempo 6's would be better speakers for my amps (puny) 100x2 to the front. If it would sound significantly better, I am willing to get a jacked up amp AND the dynaudios-- if I can find an amp that will not take up my whole **** trunk, and will drive my subs and little rear fillers as well. The JL just barely fits back there.

It has more to do with user error, because essentially you are the one in control of how much power your speakers receive, that volume knob is actually worth something.

Knowing what distortion sounds like, be it from amplifier clipping, or just pushing the speaker too hard, is going to keep your speakers happy, also not trying to use them outside of their intended range also helps. Sorry, I don't care what you've heard, but your typical 6.5" speaker is going to be pretty stressed playing 60hz at high volumes.

HisHeirness23
08-25-2009, 02:06 PM
Anyone who is currently running these active? Just curious how much power you are giving your tweeters.

srmd22
09-30-2009, 11:50 PM
Too much or too little power doesn't kill a speaker. This is a myth spread by people who are in the habit of killing drivers but haven't yet figured out why it happens. It's what the user does with the controls that kills a speaker. With good high end speakers, buy as much power as you can and then use a combination of precise gain setting techniques, your ears, and the volume dial to protect your speakers.

I personally woudn't be afraid to throw a good speaker up to 2 or 2.5 times as much as its RMS rating. It just means cleaner musical peaks with clean power even at high volumes, with no need for 'gain overlap', ie tweaking the gain to get more loudness at normal listening levels at the expense of some clipping. This can actually give you longer life and more pleasurable listening than not running enough power and fixing the problem with the gain or volume dial. Kind of like how a tiny 4 cylinder engine that has to rev and rev and rev to give good performance will wear itself out faster than a strong V8 that gives you all you need with just a light stab of the gas.

Not so sure about this analogy. There are plenty of 15 year old honda 4 cylinders out there running like butta, while plenty of lesser quality 8 cylinders have kicked the bucket with far less mileage.

Sure you can titrate your volume knob, but you are way more likely to run too much juice to a speaker with a higher-then-rated amp and eventually fry it then if you have an appropriately rated amp. At least that is my experience from playing guitar through 100 watt amps for 30 years.

I went with the dynaudios, by the way, and they sound fantastic. The amp is not underpowered for them, but, yes, a little more power would be more efficient. Can't complain about the sound though, it is crystal clear and plenty loud, sounds great.

BTW, turns out my speakers blew because of a terribly ****** install job at Sound Advice (now out of business). When they took them out they were loose in the mounts, rattling around, with melted adhesive crap all over the cones and magnets, and duct tape everywhere. It was criminal.

Here's a pic of that screw job:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/srmd22/350Z/DSCN0865.jpg


That is why they sounded like poo, and why they blew out. Also, the wiring job was crap. That is all fixed now, thanks to the guys at Sound in Motion in Boston, who did a great job. Finally got my amp correctly mounted as well. The sound guys would also like to move and remount both the amp and the subs, but I don't want to splurge for that right now.

96MaxGLE
10-01-2009, 12:01 AM
Good choice on the DYNs, I'll hopefully be running some soon