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galacticmonkey
06-01-2009, 05:20 PM
Im thinking about buying 2 sets of Alpines Type X Pro components, and giving each right around 100rms each. (http://www.woofersetc.com/p6252/SPX17PRO--Alpine-TypeX-Pro-Series-63-4"-Component-Speaker-System.htm)

Im wondering if they would be worth the extra money over a pair of Image Dynamics CTX65CS?
(http://www.woofersetc.com/p6201/CTX65CS--Image-Dynamics-65"-Component-Speaker-System.htm)
Amp they will be on, an Alpine PDX-4.100. (http://www.woofersetc.com/p5479/PDX4100--Alpine-4-Ch-400-watt-Digital-Power--Amplifier.htm)

I want them to be loud, have a loud tweeter, and sound pretty good. I havent ran anything but all pro audio in my cars in ages... Its been 3 cars since Ive ran a set of actual car audio components.

Would be going in an ext cab Silverado most likely, 2 mids in each door in a glassed pod, and the tweets glassed into the A-pillar. I would seal them up real good just for the little extra performance.

Would you spend the extra money on the Type X Pros over the IDs? I think they just look so ****, and Ive heard the Type R components. They have the loud tweeter that some would say is harsh, but I liked the way they sound. Same with Focals.

tc3k101
06-01-2009, 05:22 PM
aren't the type x pro's using scanspeak revelator mids and tweeters?

galacticmonkey
06-01-2009, 05:23 PM
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Ive been out of the comp game for a longggg time.

tez4life
06-01-2009, 05:33 PM
I believe they do, im not 100% positive though..

pjhabit
06-01-2009, 05:56 PM
The X ring radiator tweets are pretty smooth, its a layed back set overall

bboyvek
06-01-2009, 08:17 PM
aren't the type x pro's using scanspeak revelator mids and tweeters?

they look like scanspeak drivers but there are not tho

mcsoul
06-07-2009, 06:13 PM
they look like scanspeak drivers but there are not tho

correct, the f1 status components are scan. The type X pro tweeter is vifa, not sure about the mid, looks like a scan cone, but the thing is not a scan.

Sarthos
06-07-2009, 06:24 PM
If you're gonna run the Type X Pros you might also want to get a clearer amp.

galacticmonkey
06-07-2009, 06:31 PM
If you're gonna run the Type X Pros you might also want to get a clearer amp.

Its a ******* DLS amplifier, what the hell else could I get thats "clearer"?

appleyard
06-10-2009, 01:12 AM
correct, the f1 status components are scan. The type X pro tweeter is vifa, not sure about the mid, looks like a scan cone, but the thing is not a scan.

which model vifa it is? I was informed the tweets are scans

RowJoe
06-10-2009, 01:23 AM
which model vifa it is? I was informed the tweets are scans

Considering the price of the set, I highly doubt it's a SS tweet. I wouldn't run the PDX. I had one, nice size and power, and it was only $270 at the Best Buy I work at. However, it always produced an annoying hiss in my tweets. I've read about the same issue over on DIYMA.com, so I sorta doubt it was my install. At $370, I'd probably get a Sundown.

Mosho
06-10-2009, 01:42 AM
Its a ******* DLS amplifier, what the hell else could I get thats "clearer"?

actually, the one you listed, the PDX-4.100, has a really high THD rating of 1%. A DLS A2 has a THD rating of 0.1%, and a Mcintosh MC has a THD rating of 0.005% (or even 0.0005%, something really low like that).

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 01:29 PM
Well Im whatever whatever I do will sound better than what I run now. Bunch of 10s, 6s, and tweets on a bunch of Crunch P1800.4s.

I think I might just save the money and buy the ID CTX. I doubt either is worth double the price.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 01:46 PM
Ah! Thats not what I want to hear! I want to hear they **** so that I dont have to spend $700 on them! :laugh:

Rich B
06-10-2009, 01:50 PM
Ah! Thats not what I want to hear! I want to hear they **** so that I dont have to spend $700 on them! :laugh:


$700?

They are around $300 from most everyone on ebay.

James Bang
06-10-2009, 02:20 PM
the question is, with whatever you get, will you use them to their potential?

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 02:29 PM
I would be buying 2 sets.

They wouldnt be seeing much power, but I would deaden and seal up my doors and put the time into the install to get the most I could out of them.

I think it would be fun to try a SQish build.

James Bang
06-10-2009, 02:44 PM
I would be buying 2 sets.

They wouldnt be seeing much power, but I would deaden and seal up my doors and put the time into the install to get the most I could out of them.

I think it would be fun to try a SQish build.

yeah

WhoSayWho?
06-10-2009, 03:01 PM
Do what you think will suit your needs, but I really feel that buying two pairs is not the best way to go. At best, I think it is waste of money. At worst, you will have problems with getting them to sound right.

Just my .02.

And if I could not hear the comps I think I would go with the Type X's -- but that's just what I would do -- it's not a recommendation since I have zero experience with either set (other than to fondle the X's). Hopefully someone who has experience with both will offer an opinion that is worth a shot.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 04:46 PM
Im not going to run a single set... If I run 2 sets I can run my amp lower. That way I will have more power and double the speakers. It will be a Chevy so they have the doors that can fit 2 6.5s if you glass them in. Tweets will be going in A pillars.

Its not a straight SQ build Im going for. I want just a good daily setup that will sound clean and have decent output.

bose301s
06-10-2009, 05:35 PM
NVM

I am wondering if Alpine took the Scans and went to a Chinese build house and had some pretty close copies made of their drivers, because they look very close to the SS drivers, but there are definitely some key differences.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 07:17 PM
I saw the Scanspeak speakers online and it was like $230 for a single 6.5.

bose301s
06-10-2009, 07:22 PM
I saw the Scanspeak speakers online and it was like $230 for a single 6.5.

Exactly why I think Alpine may have gone to a cheap Chinese buildhouse to make knockoffs of the SS drivers.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Who knows...

What about using the front 2 channels on my DLS Ultimate A5 to run 2 dedicated midbasses and then buying another amp to run some components?

How do dedicated midbasses do in kick pannels? I would make sure it was sealed up totally. Any experience with this?

James Bang
06-10-2009, 07:46 PM
Exactly why I think Alpine may have gone to a cheap Chinese buildhouse to make knockoffs of the SS drivers.

all they did was try to keep the slit cone look...

bose301s
06-10-2009, 08:25 PM
all they did was try to keep the slit cone look...

Look at the tweeter, it's a ring radiator, from what I could find the only 2 companies with ring radiators were Scan Speak and Vifa, both formerly owned by Tymphany. Now SS is on its own again and Tymphany still has Vifa and Peerless. I do agree with you on the woofer, it looks to be of much lower quality than the SS ones.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 08:51 PM
What does the ring radiator do?

bose301s
06-10-2009, 08:53 PM
It's a style of tweeter. Instead of using a dome it uses a ring that is attached at the edges like a dome, but also at teh center. They have low distortion and high output, I would love to try one myself. Here are a few examples of them.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-555
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=45_229_427&products_id=1581

nineball
06-10-2009, 08:54 PM
Amp they will be on, an Alpine PDX-4.100



Im not going to run a single set... If I run 2 sets I can run my amp lower. That way I will have more power and double the speakers.


nope. won't work. pdx puts out the same power at 2 or 4 ohms.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 09:01 PM
I changed what amp they will be on. I was thinking of the 4.150, but ended up buying a DLS Ultimate A5.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 09:04 PM
So what Im asking is do you think the Alpines or Focals would be worth doule the cost over the ID CTXs?

bose301s
06-10-2009, 09:05 PM
So what Im asking is do you think the Alpines or Focals would be worth doule the cost over the ID CTXs?

Focal maybe, Alpine is iffy.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 09:10 PM
So the Focals would be a better choice over the Alpines?

bose301s
06-10-2009, 09:12 PM
So the Focals would be a better choice over the Alpines?

For me knowing the pedigrees of the 2 companies and where they are coming from, yes, I would take the Focals over the Alpines.

will3
06-10-2009, 09:18 PM
The ID CTX's are great for the money ,the tweet is just not enough for some people
I vote 2 pairs of the ID CX64, and a set of CD1e horns, run active.
:2thumbs:

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 09:34 PM
Well I love my tweeter so if its not enough for some, its not enough for me. I think I might just run 2 sets of the PG RSDs. Screw it. They are so cheap I cant go wrong.

James Bang
06-10-2009, 09:41 PM
Lol rsd tweets.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 09:44 PM
Whats your criticism of them?

bose301s
06-10-2009, 09:48 PM
Whats your criticism of them?

I have never heard them, but many people have said they are harsh, strident and overly bright. Also there was a very large amount of blown RSD tweeters right after the RSDs achieved boner status.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 09:53 PM
Ive heard the RSDs. I think they sounded pretty good, especially for a $60 comp set.

bose301s
06-10-2009, 10:03 PM
Ive heard the RSDs. I think they sounded pretty good, especially for a $60 comp set.

Well if you like them there you go :) I haven't heard them, but I don't think I would like them.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 10:04 PM
I think I might just go ahead with them and then if I end up not liking them, I can always swap out to something else.

mlstrass
06-10-2009, 10:09 PM
RSD tweeter is not even close to the SPX Pro tweeter. I've heard RSD's in a few cars and run the Pro tweeter in mine. Being a ring radiator you need to get them on-axis or output will suffer greatly.

You seem to just want to be loud, so why not stick with what you have?

Why not just go active and get some AA carbon fibers or Mach5 MLI's and whatever tweeters you want?

KOL
06-10-2009, 10:17 PM
you're comparing smooth/layed back sets with bright/aggressive sounding sets :fyi:
what sound characteristics would you wanna have?

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 10:29 PM
I want something that at a lower level it sounds very clean and smooth buy when I crank it up I definately want some good output.

Im not going active because my HU is a Pioneer D3 and it has no active processing, and Im not buying external crossovers.

bose301s
06-10-2009, 10:31 PM
I want something that at a lower level it sounds very clean and smooth buy when I crank it up I definately want some good output.

Im not going active because my HU is a Pioneer D3 and it has no active processing, and Im not buying external crossovers.

Trust me, the other sets you were listing will get louder with cleaner sound than the RSDs because they are made from better parts.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 10:33 PM
I could just sell the DLS A5... There is a guy selling a Clarion DPX11500 locally that I could run for bass and I could buy a nice 4 channel and throw some power to a single set of nice 6.5s...

bose301s
06-10-2009, 10:47 PM
I could just sell the DLS A5... There is a guy selling a Clarion DPX11500 locally that I could run for bass and I could buy a nice 4 channel and throw some power to a single set of nice 6.5s...

Possibly, personally I wouldn't skimp on front stage.

RowJoe
06-10-2009, 11:46 PM
PG RSD set is ***. Screw the reviews, they just get loud but sound like *** doing it. Some of us want to hear music besides rap/hip-hop and the RSDs don't even come close to cutting it.

bose301s
06-10-2009, 11:53 PM
PG RSD set is ***. Screw the reviews, they just get loud but sound like *** doing it. Some of us want to hear music besides rap/hip-hop and the RSDs don't even come close to cutting it.

I expected that, I would never touch them, but I guess if the OP likes them that is his prerogative.

galacticmonkey
06-10-2009, 11:57 PM
Ive got almost 2,000 watts of Eminence and Selenium in my van right now and I love the way it sounds....

Heck, I might just run pro audio stuff again haha.

bose301s
06-11-2009, 12:00 AM
Ive got almost 2,000 watts of Eminence and Selenium in my van right now and I love the way it sounds....

Heck, I might just run pro audio stuff again haha.

Yup, point proven, no offense to you.

galacticmonkey
06-11-2009, 12:03 AM
Its definately an acquired taste, no debate in that. Maybe something like this... These B&C tweets look sick. If its anywhere near the quality of the rest of B&C they gotta rock.

4 mids
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=294-650&scqty=4

2 tweets
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=294-580&scqty=2

RowJoe
06-11-2009, 12:04 AM
I've read some people describe the RSD tweeter being smooth. I thought they're very harsh and (it's gonna sound lame) not very clean. Electric guitars sounded awfully harsh and fatiguing, which is something that I need to sound more mellow.

They just didn't sound anywhere near as good as my LPG26NAFMs, which are still pretty much a budget tweeter at about $50+ for a pair. If the LPGs handled more power and the snare drums sounded a bit less "canned", I'd probably still run them.

galacticmonkey
06-14-2009, 09:48 PM
Im sure nobody cares, but Im excited about it... I just bought 2 sets of Focal 165VR Polyglass. :D

bose301s
06-14-2009, 09:51 PM
Im sure nobody cares, but Im excited about it... I just bought 2 sets of Focal 165VR Polyglass. :D

how much?

Beerdrnkr
06-14-2009, 11:06 PM
Go pro audio again.

galacticmonkey
06-15-2009, 06:45 PM
how much?

$500 shipped BNIB for a member here.


Go pro audio again.

Ill have plenty of it in whatever SPL car I get. Thinking something like 24 10s, 12 horns, and 12 tweeters on the very back, all firing out. Then a ton of stuff inside to listen to.

James Bang
06-15-2009, 07:25 PM
Im sure nobody cares, but Im excited about it... I just bought 2 sets of Focal 165VR Polyglass. :D

bulimic?

galacticmonkey
06-16-2009, 12:20 AM
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negative3five
06-17-2009, 06:36 PM
Im pretty sure scan speak makes the the type x's 2. As well as the f1's. Their was a test somewere that compared the type x and another ss mid and said that they were basicly the same besides a coating that alpine used on the cone.

RowJoe
06-17-2009, 08:30 PM
Link?

Theride
06-17-2009, 08:49 PM
I have the RSD and they do not sound as live as i would like. my 6x9 in the rear out performs them. they just dont get loud and sweet when turned up.

i like the woofer size as it fits perfect but overall its simply just worth the 39 i paid for them.

galacticmonkey
06-17-2009, 10:32 PM
Well my Focals will be here tomorrow. :)

mcsoul
06-18-2009, 01:24 AM
Im pretty sure scan speak makes the the type x's 2. As well as the f1's. Their was a test somewere that compared the type x and another ss mid and said that they were basicly the same besides a coating that alpine used on the cone.

They are wrong, alpine type X pro mid (and tweeter) are not scan, hey i used to think they where too. The cones look very similar, and the cones very well may be based off the same part. Scan revs are a lot more than a cone.

RowJoe
06-18-2009, 04:45 AM
Exactly. Try finding a Scan woofer under $150 new. The woofers alone would run you $300+, lol. Factor in that price, tweeters, and crossovers... no way SS makes the Type-X stuff, whether it's Pro or Ref.

negative3five
06-18-2009, 09:18 AM
Let me look give me a day but im prob wrong I kno thiers a test on it some were it was prob ther f1 set but I thought it was the type x's.

finkster
06-18-2009, 09:32 AM
Gala how did u like your AA mids? i was considering getting them for my stealth, but wanted to hear some reviews from somewhere...have u heard the components too?

galacticmonkey
06-18-2009, 04:41 PM
I dont have AA mids... I have all Eminence mids and Selenium highs in my car.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/galamonkey/0502091907_01.jpg

James Bang
06-18-2009, 04:43 PM
I dont have AA mids... I have all Eminence mids and Selenium highs in my car.


great combo...

galacticmonkey
06-18-2009, 05:09 PM
great combo...

inorite? :confused: