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Magnatus
05-21-2009, 06:49 PM
going with
http://vertexaudio.com/store/pc/CDT-Audio-CL-61i-6-5-Component-Set-30p7.htm





and i am getting a free visiontek v4208 150RMSx4 channel susposly, for free from my father in law so would these speakers be a great match since their 150rms?

Does that include tweeters being 150rms or just the 6.5's?

Random1010
05-21-2009, 06:50 PM
Great place to buy them.
That means the set is 150 rms. The power is distributed by the crossover.

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 06:57 PM
Ohhh i see so if that amp is 150rms X 4

then isnt the amp way too powerfull?

Random1010
05-21-2009, 06:59 PM
You can use the front 2 channels on the 2 speaker sets. Or bridge the amp and run 150-180 watts on em.

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 07:01 PM
**** im a noob so kinda that makes some sense

if i have a Audioque 1200D for my tc9 subwoofer and have this other amp hooked up to same battery will that make me dimm more likely than just the AQ? i can see two subwoofer amps to same battery making it very bad but a speaker amp and a subamp doesnt seem so bad to me with big 3 mod,

Random1010
05-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Adding another 300 watts shouldn't hurt you much.

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 07:06 PM
gotcha so basicaly bridging the amp (4) channel amp reduces the channel in half which makes it 2 channels of 150RMS each

your sayign 1 channel going to my two 6.5's which split 150rms

and the other channel goes to my two tweeters which split 150rms

is that the basic idea or im i not even close :)

thank u for ur help by the way i apreciate it

Random1010
05-21-2009, 07:09 PM
gotcha so basicaly bridging the amp (4) channel amp reduces the channel in half which makes it 2 channels of 150RMS each

your sayign 1 channel going to my two 6.5's which split 150rms

and the other channel goes to my two tweeters which split 150rms

is that the basic idea or im i not even close :)

thank u for ur help by the way i apreciate it

If the amp is able to bridge its channels, yes it will combine the channels. But it should put out closer to 500 watts per channel then. Have to set the gains accordingly.

No the tweeter and mid are connected to the crossover. You send the power to your crossover which divides the power between mid and tweeter.

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 07:13 PM
You can use the front 2 channels on the 2 speaker sets. Or bridge the amp and run 150-180 watts on em.

should i tell me friend to just bridge it when he hooks it up and keep gains all the way down on everything?

Random1010
05-21-2009, 07:20 PM
should i tell me friend to just bridge it when he hooks it up and keep gains all the way down on everything?

Ya bridge it and set the gains with a dmm

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 07:24 PM
DMM?

and my friend said theirs these splicer things that go on your battery a seperate wire from battery to Speaker amp and another splicer wire from battery to Sub amp is that correct?

Random1010
05-21-2009, 07:26 PM
It doesn't matter. Both amps need to be connected to the battery somehow. You shouldn't be splicing anything.


DMM=Digital Multimeter. Very needed tool.

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 08:47 PM
how much are they

Random1010
05-21-2009, 08:49 PM
Anywhere from $1.99 to $199.

Does your amp do 150x4 at 4 ohm or 2 ohm?

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 09:11 PM
those are actual specs, alot more then 150 =/
u sure it will still work and not blow my new speakers if i have gains all the way down =[
RMS Power at 4 Ohms 250 W x 4


RMS Power at 2 Ohms 360 W x 4

Random1010
05-21-2009, 09:15 PM
those are actual specs, alot more then 150 =/
u sure it will still work and not blow my new speakers if i have gains all the way down =[
RMS Power at 4 Ohms 250 W x 4


RMS Power at 2 Ohms 360 W x 4

With that much power, you might want to run 2 channels on the fronts, and leave 2 channels for the rears. 250w per channel is plenty of power, don't even need to bridge the channels unless you have a set that can handle more power. Email Vertex and see if they can recommend you a CDT that can handle more.

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 09:20 PM
already bought the cd 61i

Well just the 6.5 componenet set u mean run 2 channels to two tweeters and other two to the 6.5's?

and i can just screw them in my door and the 6.5 should sound good still right

Random1010
05-21-2009, 09:23 PM
already bought the cd 61i

Well just the 6.5 componenet set u mean run 2 channels to two tweeters and other two to the 6.5's?

and i can just screw them in my door and the 6.5 should sound good still right

No you don't seperate the tweeters from the woofers. Each set is 1 complete kit. 1 channel runs 1 set(tweeter+woofer).

So if you're using those comps, I'd either run 2 of the 4 channels on those comps or bridge the 4 channels into 2 and run them with a low gain set. Both ways will get you the same results, but the first option will leave you with 2 empty channels for more speakers.

Make sense?

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 09:24 PM
ohhh ok i see, what if i ran the other two channels to my stock 6x9 in the back of my 98 chevy would they blow right away

Random1010
05-21-2009, 09:26 PM
ohhh ok i see, what if i ran the other two channels to my stock 6x9 in the back of my 98 chevy would they blow right away

That's an option for sure. I would choose that route, maybe even replace those 6x9's with something that can take more power? You can run the stocks, just make sure to turn the gain way down.

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 09:28 PM
well even with gain all the way down wont it still recieve the minium rms power?

Random1010
05-21-2009, 09:29 PM
well even with gain all the way down wont it still recieve the minium rms power?

No, the gain is the power control. You can set it between 0 and the (in your case) 250 watts per channel.

squeak9798
05-21-2009, 11:03 PM
No, the gain is the power control. You can set it between 0 and the (in your case) 250 watts per channel.

That is a really, really bad explanation.

Magnatus
05-21-2009, 11:09 PM
so am i gona probaly blow my speakers if i just keep gains at 0

Magnatus
05-22-2009, 01:24 AM
already bought the cd 61i

Well just the 6.5 componenet set u mean run 2 channels to two tweeters and other two to the 6.5's?

and i can just screw them in my door and the 6.5 should sound good still right

? or do they need a custom install to sound good

James Bang
05-22-2009, 01:55 AM
That is a really, really bad explanation.

I love having control of my power :laugh:

pjhabit
05-22-2009, 02:15 AM
No, the gain is the power control. You can set it between 0 and the (in your case) 250 watts per channel.

:wow: No gains are more like a sensitivity control that affects the power output in relation to the volume knob ie, a higher gain setting will use the amps maximum potential output sooner on the volume dial.

Your best weapon for not overpowering your speakers(/controlling your power) is common sense w/ the volume control

Random1010
05-22-2009, 02:17 AM
:wow: No gains are more like a sensitivity control, that affects the power output in relation to the volume knob ie, a higher gain setting will use the amps maximum potential output sooner on the volume dial.

Your best weapon for not overpowering your speakers(/controlling your power) is common sense w/ the volume control

Ok he has absolutely no clue what that means. In simple terms, yes a gain knob controls the power (output). Stop being so **** picky guys.

Magnatus
05-22-2009, 07:20 PM
ok i understood that im not a idiot :D

just with car stereo stuff


but my question is if my friend just screws in the tweets and the 6.5's will they sound good or do they need a custom install?

okiedokie
05-22-2009, 07:25 PM
http://www.secondskinaudio.com/

squeak9798
05-22-2009, 09:05 PM
Ok he has absolutely no clue what that means. In simple terms, yes a gain knob controls the power (output). Stop being so **** picky guys.

We're not being picky. Your explanation is (still is) horrible. Someone being new to the hobby is not an excuse to provide them with a wrong and/or generally poor information or explanation. That's not teaching them anything; it just spreads ignorance. You can explain it correctly in laymens terms and actually teach them correct information that they can continue to use. It's because of posts/"information" like yours that a lot of people still don't have a bloody clue what the gain is actually for.......instead they go back to their friends or post on a forum...."Hey dude, that gain is just a power control. If you turn it all the way down you'll get zero watts." God help your customers if that is the same mentally you use when providing tech support for your company.

squeak9798
05-22-2009, 09:17 PM
so am i gona probaly blow my speakers if i just keep gains at 0

I personally would bridge the amp, and use your head when setting the gain and using the volume knob. If the speakers sound like they are being stressed, back it off some more. You should hear warning signals from the speakers before damage occurs, if it will. But using the volume knob and amplifier intelligently, you should run into no problems.


but my question is if my friend just screws in the tweets and the 6.5's will they sound good or do they need a custom install?

It depends on 1) your friends definition of "good", and 2) the details of the door itself. Results will probably be poor if he just screws them into a door card or thin plastic mounting support. The mid will need to be mounted to a solid baffle (i.e. if there isn't one, he would be doing himself a favor to make one), if mounting into the door it would also be beneficial to sound deaden the door and seal the door to separate the backwave of the speaker from the frontwave. All of this can be done relatively inexpensively if he's atleast decent with even a jigsaw (or knows someone who is) and has some help choosing sound deadening materials and creating a deadening "plan" (I would recommend reading www.sounddeadenershowdown.com ).

As for the tweeter, it's mostly about install location and aiming. Just grab some strong double sided tape and play around with different tweeter positions. IF he choose to do something like mounting them on his A-pillars (not that I recommend it personally, but some people like it that way) there are cheap and easy ways to go about it that won't take much time or money. He won't need to go crazy with fiberglass and bondo.

He'll be much more pleased with the results if he takes his time and does it right and spends a little bit of extra :greedy: on deadening materials rather than just tossing them in and hoping for the best.

Magnatus
05-23-2009, 02:08 AM
k whats the cheapest wire kit i can get and link plz :) for the speakers/tweeters/6.5