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07ramjam
04-27-2009, 11:45 PM
Ive narrowed down my choices to one of these 2 decks.I can get the Kenwood for 299.00 and the 7200 for 449.00.The 7200 seems like a really nice deck but a little out of the range I wanted to spend.However,it seems like Id be willing to go over budget on this one.

I like they both have blue tooth.Do you need a seperate add on for an Ipod with the 7200?Id like some feedback on these 2 HU's.

Thanks

macq32
04-28-2009, 12:21 AM
Ive narrowed down my choices to one of these 2 decks.I can get the Kenwood for 299.00 and the 7200 for 449.00.The 7200 seems like a really nice deck but a little out of the range I wanted to spend.However,it seems like Id be willing to go over budget on this one.

I like they both have blue tooth.Do you need a seperate add on for an Ipod with the 7200?Id like some feedback on these 2 HU's.

Thanks

I really like my kenwood (lower model but not totally inferior) 791. The only negative i could possibly point out is that the screen isnt readable when in direct sunlight (but honestly how often is the sun directly on your head unit) and the fact that it is not capable of going active. From what I understand the 993 is extremely similar with a few added bells and whistles. If you think you would ever want to mess around with t/a and run active I would go with the 7200. In fact I'd like to get my hands on one (can probably be found for $350 or so around here if you're patient).

No direct experience with the 993 though.

good luck, youll be happy with either im sure but if active might be of interest to you, definitely go for the 7200

07ramjam
04-28-2009, 12:54 AM
I dont think Ill be going active.Ive been kind of leaning towards the Kenwood for a little while now.After seeing the 7200 I wasnt sure,its a very nice HU.

"that boy asad"
04-28-2009, 01:34 AM
alpine cda-9887 is more acceptable as a comparison to the kenwood...

07ramjam
04-28-2009, 01:49 AM
alpine cda-9887 is more acceptable as a comparison to the kenwood...


I know the 9887 is very popular here but at 400.00 I dont think Im that interested.I mean Im not looking for something with a super pretty display but the Alpine just doesnt appeal to me.Id spend the extra 50.00 for the 7200 and get the BT.Just out of curiosity why would you say the Alpine is a better comparison to the Kenwood?

steveBeatz
04-28-2009, 01:53 AM
I want that 7200! astraubey has one for sale on here brand new! for i think around 400

07ramjam
04-28-2009, 01:57 AM
I want that 7200! astraubey has one for sale on here brand new! for i think around 400

Yeah its a real nice unit.A local store here is trying to get rid of some overstock they have of these so they're selling them for 450.00.They are authorized so you get the full 3 year warranty.

MikeCole89
04-28-2009, 01:57 AM
pre out voltage on the 7200?

steveBeatz
04-28-2009, 01:58 AM
Very nice I'd get it:) But i herd it can be a bit laggy or somthing.. I herd the CD7100 runs smoother.

hrtbrk1
04-28-2009, 01:58 AM
pre out voltage on the 7200?

8volts

MikeCole89
04-28-2009, 01:59 AM
not bad at all..

kidwolf909
04-28-2009, 02:00 AM
pre out voltage on the 7200?

8 volts

I have one and like it quite a bit, but it does have some flaws. The USB is a tad flakey for me, as well as the E-iSERV utilization.

nineball
04-28-2009, 09:47 AM
If you think you would ever want to mess around with t/a and run active I would go with the 7200.

the 993 has ta.

dvrmstrng
04-28-2009, 09:52 AM
you know the 7200 is a dead head right?

07ramjam
04-28-2009, 10:46 AM
you know the 7200 is a dead head right?

Yeah Im already running amps so thats no big deal to me.

"that boy asad"
04-28-2009, 12:07 PM
I know the 9887 is very popular here but at 400.00 I dont think Im that interested.I mean Im not looking for something with a super pretty display but the Alpine just doesnt appeal to me.Id spend the extra 50.00 for the 7200 and get the BT.Just out of curiosity why would you say the Alpine is a better comparison to the Kenwood?
pirce/features wise... actually the cd7200, x993, and 9887 compare pretty well against each other!

Alpine does have the best iPod control out of all them, user friendly, and has the fewest problems...

Macklessdaddy
04-28-2009, 12:16 PM
the 993 has ta.

is the ta preset though like the x889 or is it 5 channel like the x991?

wu501
04-28-2009, 12:19 PM
I would say kenwood unless you want an active capable deck.

TurdFergueson2
04-28-2009, 12:20 PM
I dont think Ill be going active.Ive been kind of leaning towards the Kenwood for a little while now.After seeing the 7200 I wasnt sure,its a very nice HU.

What's the purpose of dropping that much on the 7200 if you don't go active? And are you anti Pioneer? the 800PRS is a nice deck too.

nineball
04-28-2009, 06:18 PM
is the ta preset though like the x889 or is it 5 channel like the x991?

not really sure. mine is sitting in the box waiting for the car to finish being repaired. the description on the crutchfield site confuses me as well.

first, about ta, they say:

Digital Time Alignment (DTA): Choose from 0.00 to 14.44 feet for the Front pair of speakers, Rear pair of speakers and Subwoofer distances in reference to the distance between your listening positioning and the locations of the particular speakers.


the, about listening position, they say:

For a better sound-stage you can select your optimal listening position. You can choose from All, Front Left, Front Right or Front. You can also select to manually fine tune the sound stage by selecting the distance for each individual speaker in the vehicle compared to your listening position. You can select between 0.00 to 5.58 feet for the Left Front Speaker, Right Front Speaker, Left Rear Speaker, Right Rear Speaker, Left Subwoofer and/or Right Subwoofer.


now i may be reading it wrong somehow, but i get that you can only set the ta for the front speakers together, not individually. that contradicts what they are saying for the listening position, right? if that is the case, isn't the whole point of having ta that you can adjust the sound so that it all lands on the driver's head at the same time? who sits in the middle of the car to drive?

Macklessdaddy
04-28-2009, 06:28 PM
not really sure. mine is sitting in the box waiting for the car to finish being repaired. the description on the crutchfield site confuses me as well.

first, about ta, they say:

Digital Time Alignment (DTA): Choose from 0.00 to 14.44 feet for the Front pair of speakers, Rear pair of speakers and Subwoofer distances in reference to the distance between your listening positioning and the locations of the particular speakers.


the, about listening position, they say:

For a better sound-stage you can select your optimal listening position. You can choose from All, Front Left, Front Right or Front. You can also select to manually fine tune the sound stage by selecting the distance for each individual speaker in the vehicle compared to your listening position. You can select between 0.00 to 5.58 feet for the Left Front Speaker, Right Front Speaker, Left Rear Speaker, Right Rear Speaker, Left Subwoofer and/or Right Subwoofer.


now i may be reading it wrong somehow, but i get that you can only set the ta for the front speakers together, not individually. that contradicts what they are saying for the listening position, right? if that is the case, isn't the whole point of having ta that you can adjust the sound so that it all lands on the driver's head at the same time? who sits in the middle of the car to drive?

looks to be 5 channel then

nineball
04-28-2009, 06:47 PM
looks to be 5 channel then

actually the ta would be 3 channel according to the description. you can adjust the front speakers (both at the same setting only), rear speakers (same) and the sub(s).

what i want to know is what is the difference between ta and delaying the speakers based on listening position.

Macklessdaddy
04-28-2009, 06:53 PM
not really sure. mine is sitting in the box waiting for the car to finish being repaired. the description on the crutchfield site confuses me as well.

first, about ta, they say:

Digital Time Alignment (DTA): Choose from 0.00 to 14.44 feet for the Front pair of speakers, Rear pair of speakers and Subwoofer distances in reference to the distance between your listening positioning and the locations of the particular speakers.


the, about listening position, they say:

For a better sound-stage you can select your optimal listening position. You can choose from All, Front Left, Front Right or Front. You can also select to manually fine tune the sound stage by selecting the distance for each individual speaker in the vehicle compared to your listening position. You can select between 0.00 to 5.58 feet for the Left Front Speaker, Right Front Speaker, Left Rear Speaker, Right Rear Speaker, Left Subwoofer and/or Right Subwoofer.


now i may be reading it wrong somehow, but i get that you can only set the ta for the front speakers together, not individually. that contradicts what they are saying for the listening position, right? if that is the case, isn't the whole point of having ta that you can adjust the sound so that it all lands on the driver's head at the same time? who sits in the middle of the car to drive?

this is what i'm referring to

nineball
04-28-2009, 09:19 PM
but that is not the ta, if it was it would be listed under the ta function in the manual. the ta section clearly states that you can only adjust the speakers in sets - both fronts as one, both rears as one, sub(s) as one. i called kenwood and the ts guy i got could not explain it to me either.

macq32
04-29-2009, 10:59 PM
the 993 has ta.

:eek:

**** had no idea, my bad

not to thread jack, but does anyone know of some decks that are have T/A for 4+ channels (3way plus sub)

Dhohn
05-02-2009, 09:00 PM
I have a 993 as a loner right now till my 991 gets back. I can tell you that the backlighting for the display is not good. It is hard to read from 8am till 7pm. If the sun is up its going to irritate you. Also the 993 does not have the same level of built in eq adjustments that the 991 has. Now this probably has something to do with the lack of adjustment but honestly it seems as though the 993 is missing something as far as how it represents the sound. I have only had the deck in for about 3 days and havent spend more than 20 minutes adjusting it so I honestly cant quit put my finger on it, but something doesnt quit sound right in my opinion in comparison to the 991.

nineball
05-03-2009, 05:12 PM
finally got my 993 installed and i both love it and hate it. the sq is pretty **** good - everything sounds really great. as stated the display is **** in the daytime. they also seemed to have really dumbed down the controls. you can set it for things like compact car / sedan / suv / large suv which changes the sounds around quite a bit. for some reason it also wants to know what type of speakers are installed (6.5", 6x9, etc) and their location. t/a can only be adjusted for the front speakers together, rear together and sub. works perfectly with the iphone 3g and charges it as well. i haven't really played with it a lot but so far i am mostly happy with my purchase but that display is a real bummer.

macq32
05-03-2009, 07:09 PM
all the kenwoods use that display, my 791 is the same. Its not that big of a deal to me, but it is a pain. Just because its bright outside doesnt mean the sun is always directly on the hu, i only find myself unable to see it every once in a while

MBrock4u
05-03-2009, 09:40 PM
I hear you about the display during the daylight hours. That one reason why Alpine displays are so nice! I have the X-990, and that is the only thing about that deck to actually moan about just a bit. It's not a big deal to me either, because I am happy with everything else about the X-990. The sound quality is sooooo good!!!

inkfx
05-03-2009, 10:32 PM
I just got one of the cheaper Kenwoods, the 592 and absolutely love it. It replaced my Pioneer 4000UB. Using my iPod on the Kenwood is SOO much easier than on the Pioneer. As far as SQ, I'll give it to the Kenwood again. I also got a lot more features with the Kenwood as well. The ONLY complaint I have is the display in sunlight. At times, it can be really difficult to see whats on there. Although, most HU's I've seen have this issue to some degree. All in all, I love Kenwood.

flenn
05-05-2009, 12:09 PM
Did you play around with all the different colors (background/foreground) and find the best contrasting text?

I'm nervous because I'm replacing my Alpine 9807 with the x993 in my convertible. It's sitting in my basement but I probably won't get around to installing it until the weekend. I never had a problem with the Alpine's display no matter how much sun and could tell from the reviews that I might have an issue with the Kenwood. The driving force for the change is that the Kenwood will be much easier to control my Ipod and has about a million more features. I'm also curious how the BT will work with the top down. Oh well, I'll wait until it's in the car before I make judgement. If I'm not happy, I sell the Kenwood for a small loss and look into the Pioneer Premier DEH-P710BT.