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WOT
04-03-2009, 10:08 PM
Looking into upgrading my current soundstage of PG rsds as I think I may have blown the tweeters. I will be running 4 6.5" rsd still in my center console, but no crossovers, just giving them 50ish a piece.

Im going to be putting a wall of 4 15's in, in the next 2 weeks. ANd Id really like a set of 6.5's for my front doors.

Kicker is I like my music LOUD, lots of treble. The pg's werent enough. I do have a Pioneer 860mp deck so Ive got lots of tuning abailable at my fingertips. And they will be powerred by a Kicker KX 650.4. About 125rms X 4 @ 4ohms

Is there any SINGLE speaker set out there right now that would fit the bill. Not looking for crossovers or 2" tweets, I want loud door speakers

I am however on a budget, $150ish would be my MAX for this set. Can anything fit the bill.



Thanks for any help

tc3k101
04-03-2009, 10:09 PM
pro audio mids

Rich B
04-03-2009, 10:13 PM
MB Quart.

James Bang
04-03-2009, 10:14 PM
**** those PG xovers. Use the ones in your HU ;)

WOT
04-03-2009, 10:15 PM
ANy specific series that fits my power budget and need to rock out on my hour long commute.

Like seriously, I dont know if I can stress it enough, I like it LOUD

I looked into horns and researched for the last few hours, but I dont think I have the knowledge to run them and make them sound great.

Im not a stickler for SQ, or making things on axis and such as I dont understand that just yet.

but I know what distortion is, and I know what sounds good to the ear

01 S 10
04-03-2009, 10:16 PM
pro audio mids

this^

O2 audio
B & C
Eminencceeee
Dayton
Whip Audio
MacLaren


look on Parts Express for Pro Audio speakers

James Bang
04-03-2009, 10:17 PM
of course.

spencer321
04-03-2009, 10:17 PM
pro audio mids

and some super bullet tweeters lol, it won't sound like image dynamics or cdt or seas or peerless or dyna...

but itll be loud as fawk

James Bang
04-03-2009, 10:18 PM
and some super bullet tweeters lol, it won't sound like image dynamics or cdt or seas or peerless or dyna...

but itll be loud as fawk

it might sound like cdts

edzy
04-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Beyma. Pro m6
Or for the budget minded, look for Whip audio 6.5 mids.

hrtbrk1
04-03-2009, 10:19 PM
diamond audio hex?

spencer321
04-03-2009, 10:23 PM
it might sound like cdts

haha depends if your runnin there silk tweets or those beat yourself in the face titanium ones that sound like aluminum cans


here are some 6.5" pro audio drivers that have good reviews.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=290-399

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-422

Jeremy M
04-03-2009, 10:25 PM
i'm guessing cuz your running 4sets of PG rsds...your on a budget?
get some ID oems used.....

Xprime4
04-03-2009, 10:49 PM
wow some of those pa driver got extremly high sensivity.

edzy
04-03-2009, 11:00 PM
ya, I wish I saw them before I just spent $270 on a single set.

01 S 10
04-03-2009, 11:00 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-10-WHIP-AUDIO-MID-RANGE-SPEAKER-400W-W10M8400_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1234Q7c6 6Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c 293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhash Zitem310128538849QQitemZ310128538849QQptZCarQ5fSpe akers

WOT
04-04-2009, 01:45 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-10-WHIP-AUDIO-MID-RANGE-SPEAKER-400W-W10M8400_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1234Q7c6 6Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c 293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhash Zitem310128538849QQitemZ310128538849QQptZCarQ5fSpe akers

How would those sound man?? Think they would be any good for the highs, there sensitivity is over 100+ and 200rms handling.... they aint screwin around lol

Obviously, I dont have 10" speaker holes in my car and would have to custom make some door pods, but that is NO PROBLEM if those drivers would perform.

I'll have to check if they can be wired into my kicker 4 chanel properly aswell as they are 8ohm..... I dont even know the specs on the kicker, its getting fixed right now

WOT
04-04-2009, 01:54 AM
Both speakers posted on the first page form parts express also look nice. Only small diferences in db sensitivity and motor weight and such, would either be better

What is your guys opinions on getting LOUD (treble/pitch wise) without even running crossovers/tweets. And just running speakers with a good bit of wattage...?

Cravingbass123
04-04-2009, 01:55 AM
Squeakinator midbass editions

WOT
04-04-2009, 02:11 AM
I honestly searched that lol

papermaker
04-04-2009, 03:29 AM
the cdt drt silk tweeters are nice thedrt 26 are better imo the drt 26 alum is a good mix of extenion both high and low efficency and accuracy.. i have head alot of sets and no doubt th ES-O7 and drt 26A is top notch the again im going active...

the drt26 are 120 shipped, the most efficient loudest mid xover around 80hz would be the ES-06... if you where to go active a 100.4 would make the screan... stay away from super high efficency sets unless you hate good depth lfe and great sq....

Pyro_By_Nature
04-04-2009, 04:48 AM
Horns aren't that bad to tune when you have those active capabilities.

papermaker
04-04-2009, 07:12 AM
Horns aren't that bad to tune when you have those active capabilities.

ID makes loud horns.... i would say boston and mb should have him covered..

papermaker
04-04-2009, 07:13 AM
what a wasted 100.4...

WOT
04-04-2009, 12:15 PM
Well I dont have a 100.4 but thanks for the compliments

What I think Im looking for guys is a single driver (prefer 6.5") that can take some power, and SCREAM and get loud. Will that Whip audio 10" driver do it? I can get them for about $100 shipped, but the only come 8ohm, so Id be giving them roughly 150rms a piece bridged.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-10-WHIP-AUDIO-MID-RANGE-SPEAKER-400W-W10M8400_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1234Q7c6 6Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c 293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhash Zitem310128538849QQitemZ310128538849QQptZCarQ5fSpe akers


Im always open to ideas, but I dont think I would like to mess with crossovers or 2" tweets this time. Just loud door drivers

bama350z
04-04-2009, 12:21 PM
for what you are looking for, find some older MB Quarts, not too power hungry like Hex's would be (diamond audio)..well, old DA, have no experience with new DA.

snb778
04-04-2009, 12:23 PM
MB *****... stay away from em. I had their Q-line comp... ******. My boston pro's blow em away

You should do what i did. I like loud tweet also..I got some Boston Pro's and a set of bullet tweets... i have the tweets turned way down and they still screaaam. If you turn it up, its just to annoying

what ever happened to Focal... those had the rep. of being really loud speakers

WOT
04-04-2009, 12:39 PM
Ya Ive had mb quarts and didnt like them

I just found this thread on the Whip AUdio speakers though

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/304082.html

Talking about the 6.5's

"Anyone ever heard of Whip Audio? I was in the shop the other day and this guy installed 2 6" midrange Whip audio speakers. Man that was the loudest set of speakers I ever heard. Like scraeming loud, hurt my ears to be near it."

W8 a minute
04-04-2009, 12:46 PM
RE XXX components. 2ohm, get loud, and sound good doing it.

WOT
04-04-2009, 12:49 PM
About the Whip Audio speakers.

A dealer says this in one thread

"they are 8 ohm but they come with a non polarized capasitor so the amplifier doesnt see them, so you can put as many as you want and not have to worry about your amps imepedants level"

What does that mean? They can be run @ 4ohm. Just figuring out if they will work with my amp @ 4ohm, or if Im going to have it bridge it @ 8ohm

snb778
04-04-2009, 12:52 PM
honestly... I don't think 150 bucks in comps is gonna keep up with 4 15's

tc3k101
04-04-2009, 01:00 PM
honestly... I don't think 150 bucks in comps is gonna keep up with 4 15's

pro audio mids will, they are too loud but dont sound all that great. most you have to cross them over at lie 90hz cause they cant handle teh bass

snb778
04-04-2009, 01:14 PM
my Boston Pro's can't handle 80hz either

WOT
04-04-2009, 03:46 PM
Yeah Ive had to do that before with my Cadence CWM6's, they played the highs fine, but I had them crossed @ 100hz, cross them @ 80hz and they sounding like they were bottoming out

Im really debating getting those 10" whip drivers and making some door pods though. Was hoping to get a review or two on how they would sound, have to confirm my kicker amp, when bridged and facing an 8ohm load, will give them enough watts though

edzy
04-04-2009, 03:53 PM
If your hinking on Whips, get the 6.5 ones. Cause your gonna want to change them again, and theres not many Quality 10's mids you can put intoyour hacked doors., But a 6.5 will swap right out.
And whatever Whip says as power handeling, only give them half of that. They are Beyma knock offs, and should be treated as such.

WOT
04-04-2009, 04:10 PM
I dont know anything about the company Berma, I heard good about them on DIY mobile though

I was looking at the 6.5's, but they are also 8ohm, and only have a handling rating of 60rms. If they sounded nice, I dont think I would ever change them. Thats why i was hoping to get some positive reassurance other than the old thread I found that they have some potential to sound nice while getting extremely loud.

01 S 10 was the one who first mentionned them was hoping he might jump back in here.

edzy
04-04-2009, 04:21 PM
Its Beyma, Not Berma. These are all 4 ohms.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEYMA-PRO-6MI-6-5-MIDRANGE-SPEAKER-1-Pair_W0QQitemZ140302949314QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_S peakers?hash=item140302949314&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEYMA-Power-M6-Midrange-COMPETITION-SERIES-1Pair_W0QQitemZ140290407762QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_ Speakers?hash=item140290407762&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEYMA-PRO-65ND-6-5-NEO-MIDRANGE-COMPETITION-1Pair_W0QQitemZ200290696144QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_ Speakers?hash=item200290696144&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

Heres the 6.5 Whips which are 8 ohms. As you can see, they are Beyma copies, but lack the build quality.

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-piece-6-5-whip-audio-car-voice-speakers-W6M8200-new_W0QQitemZ200317970479QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Sp eakers?hash=item200317970479&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

Farmacist
04-04-2009, 04:26 PM
Soundstream Pro Series Components will get the job done.

Farmacist
04-04-2009, 04:29 PM
heres the link for the pro series


http://soundstream.com/AudioProducts/Components/pro.htm

this is what I'm using in my car and they screeeam!!

WOT
04-04-2009, 04:50 PM
hmmmmmm 6.5's would be nice, as I could just stick em in the doors (with cutting because they seem to be 3"+ depth each.

Like whats youre definition of "screamin" farmacist, you seem to have a good substage aswell, they hold up with the highs, how many watts are you giving them? I would only be getting the 6.5's no tweets or anything

Im up in the air here

WOT
04-04-2009, 04:51 PM
Can I hear some opinions on the Whip Audio 10's

I was just looking at my doors to see how involved a fiberglass pod would be, and I dont have the hack anything at all to install door pods, the factory cover for the speaker and the little tray/pocket that run along the bottom of the door is removable via 4-5 screws on the door panel, SO I can just build a sealed enclosure and used the factory mounts so it will all be able to be reversed if ncessary

Like I said I would have to dedicate my Kicker amp to these and bridge the chanels giving me about 125rms @ 8ohm/ driver

I need opinions if these suckers would be loud, and clear. Honestly. There about $115 shipped for a set of 2

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-10-WHIP-AUDIO-MID-RANGE-SPEAKER-400W-W10M8400_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1234Q7c6 6Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c 293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhash Zitem310128538849QQitemZ310128538849QQptZCarQ5fSpe akers

They are rated for 200rms, but Im quite well below that like I said, but Edzy did mention they should not be pushed to there mechanical limits...

edzy
04-04-2009, 05:58 PM
325 watts RMS x 2 in bridged mode (4-ohm stable in bridged mode)
So about 150-160 at 8ohms. Theory, it will work, but I think you get what you pay for.
Of the Whip dealer I know, hes had a fair amount of returns and stopped selling them due to thier failure rate.
Personally I would stay away from them. But if you are gonna do it, I would consider the 2 sets of 6.5's and glass them in. They would also work with your amp getting about 85 watts each.

imo, A 10' should be midbass, not midrange. What you need are midranges.

Even though that 10 claims to be a midrange, the spec say otherwise.
"Frequency response 50 hz-6kHz"

WOT
04-04-2009, 06:08 PM
Is 50-6khz not what Im looking for? Highs play above 6k right? Was just going by the reviews (which are very few) were people said they are loud and clear as hell, but I never heard any thing on the 10's themselves. I do have 4 other 6.5's that may be able pickup if this 10' driver falls off on the tall end of the audio spectrum. But I was hoping for loud, and for them to be reliable. You dont think they would reliabily handle the 150ish rms?

If I DID go with 6.5's, I would not be the pro whips, there seem to be some other 6.5's that can be bought seperately that would be better suited. Im not liking the soundtreams posted, read some bad reviews aswell on there distortion with over 50rms and also failure. Id like to stay away from anything that wont be reliable

Are those pro audio speakers posted on the first page any good for hammering the highs, Id ont know if Ive stressed enough how LOUD I like the music to be

WOT
04-05-2009, 11:00 AM
bump diggity

edzy
04-05-2009, 12:26 PM
I dont think theres anything else to add.
There is no cheap $150 and under mid thats gonna be as loud as you want.
Your best options are the pro drivers.
And expect to pay atleast $150 each for a quality one that will last.
If you but cheap mids, they will sound cheap and will not last.
This is what I just got.

$270 for a set.

Description Unit price Qty Amount
BEYMA Power M6 Midrange (COMPETITION SERIES) 1Pair
Item# 140290407762
$255.95 USD
Shipping and handling $12.79 USD
Insurance - not offered ----
Total $268.74 USD
Payment $268.74 USD
Payment sent to [email protected]

These are along with some I got allready.

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374879&highlight=midbass+mayham

WOT
04-05-2009, 12:39 PM
So you think there is like no reliability at all with the whip audio drivers? You were the one who first mentionned them, and then 01 S 10 whos opinion also is up there for me mentionned the 10's......

edzy
04-05-2009, 12:48 PM
lol, If I thought they were good, dont you think I would have gotton that 2 pack set for less then half of what I paid for 1 set?

I recomended them as a cheap substitute for quality mids.

Your asking what car is as fast as a porshe, but cost less.
It doesnt matter, it still not a porshe.
A scion is still a car, it will go, but its not gonna compete with the porshe.

Farmacist
04-05-2009, 12:55 PM
hmmmmmm 6.5's would be nice, as I could just stick em in the doors (with cutting because they seem to be 3"+ depth each.

Like whats youre definition of "screamin" farmacist, you seem to have a good substage aswell, they hold up with the highs, how many watts are you giving them? I would only be getting the 6.5's no tweets or anything

Im up in the air here



I haven't extensively tested them out yet, I'm still waiting on my rubicon amps, but , I plan on having 6 in each door with a 600watt amp for each door so roughly 100 watts rms each. They're PA speakers, so dont underestimate these..

The only other person I know you could contact who uses them is Pipo on the termlab forum.

amartin_72
04-05-2009, 12:56 PM
get 8's or 10's from parts express

WOT
04-05-2009, 01:00 PM
8's or 10's of what....

redcalimp5
04-05-2009, 05:25 PM
Boston PRO60's

Xprime4
04-05-2009, 06:16 PM
Pro audio speakers don't seems to be high pass low. You will need midbass drivers too to cover the area between the subs and the pa speakers.

WOT
04-05-2009, 10:12 PM
THe pg rsd 6.5's that are in my center console bang out the midbass just fine, Im not worried about that.

Is that what these speakers mostly are, meant for PA systems and such? The whip audio ones aswell?

Im stumping myself looking for an actual review of the 10's, cant find a single person that has used them AT ALL, anywhere, or atleast pages that still work, alot of dead links

edzy
04-05-2009, 10:46 PM
Is that what these speakers mostly are, meant for PA systems and such? The whip audio ones aswell?

No, The Beymas are designed for cars. As well as some of the other high end ones.

The cheap way is to get the pro drivers that were made for PA's., and not meant to be run in cars. Hence the 8 ohm thing.

WOT
04-05-2009, 11:05 PM
ohhhhhh thats why they are 8ohm, was curious on that aswell, I was watching some of your vids edzy, pretty cool quality installs

SWFL
04-05-2009, 11:08 PM
want a loud set of comps but still have good SQ but are somewhat like a pro audio speaker go with cdt, get loud and still sound good they are very crisp and clear and loud

edzy
04-05-2009, 11:08 PM
Thanks. that was last year. I got new things and now, and removered alot of things as well.
Doesnt look like a traveling pawn shop as much.

WOT
04-05-2009, 11:08 PM
That eq you have in your vid in your sig, what exactly is that? That looks VERY handy to know what tone is playing with the leds lighting up and knowing what to adjust.... but you can probly do it all by ear by now. The eq adjusts on my 860mp I find are slow as you have to click over to each level and click up or down, a manual knob would be much nicer, but probably a ***** to install for someone like myself, and Im just guessing as to what is being adjusted by ear and what sounds good when I tune

KyleBechtold
04-05-2009, 11:14 PM
Thanks. that was last year. I got new things and now, and removered alot of things as well.
Doesnt look like a traveling pawn shop as much.

thats good.. it looked decent just kinda like you went to a pawn shop and bought everything they had and threw it in..

SWFL
04-05-2009, 11:14 PM
at the car show i was at this weekend in Port charlotte florida almost everyone there had seleniums for mids and tweets, i take that back everyone did. Only people didnt was i seen one guy with momo comps, i had CDT and i seen another guy with selenium mids and audio pipe bullets. Even the huge *** selenium excursion was there and wow thing is loud you guys know what i am talking bout underground???

Once i start the build in my flats boat gonna go with cheap PA speakers to get loud on HU power or a small amp so gonna go with seleniums or eminence prob seleniums once i get that running i will let u know how it sounds. But no need for thos speakers in cars unless you are hitting some major numbers to keep up with the bass you can run 2-4 sets of comps on tons of power and be loud as needed and sound 10times better.

Racerx250
04-05-2009, 11:28 PM
get some horns and a big mid.

WOT
04-06-2009, 12:02 AM
Id prefer a single driver for each door, dont care about what size, that will be LOUD AS HELL off of 250 watts rms a piece, for under $150 shiped.

WOT
04-06-2009, 12:04 AM
Single driver, that can bang out some serious Linkin Park / Methods of Mayhem / Tool etc

SWFL
04-06-2009, 12:04 AM
then get the speaker that is got the highest senstivity rating like 96 or higer and give it 125rms and let it rip

Pyro_By_Nature
04-06-2009, 12:57 AM
Stop overlooking horns. They will have the ability to get stupid loud off of little power and sound a lot better than some crappy pro audio mids.

WOT
04-06-2009, 01:17 AM
Well I asked about them like a week ago and people said I basically didnt have the tuning abilities with my amp/deck combo without spending over $100, they said I couldnt make them sound good

KyleBechtold
04-06-2009, 01:21 AM
what about those volcanos?? i saw those on hear in the one build.. don't know how they sound/perform

WOT
04-06-2009, 01:49 AM
Well Id just like to hear some nice sounding LOUD speakers here myself.

Instead of the Whip audio's

What about these selenium 8"s?

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-424

There 8ohm so I would still have to bridge the kicker amp (or may just buy a different better 8ohm suited amp and sell the kicker) and give them 150rms in a sealed box on the doors? Think 2 of those would get decently loud and sound good? 96db effecient and only about $120 shipped for a set of 2 to me, within my budget. I dont plan on runing them with any crossovers/tweets obviously, loud enough?

WOT
04-06-2009, 01:53 AM
A cheap 4 ohm driver would be nice but I havent seen any mentioned within my budget, 4ohm would allow me to give them 250ish rms @ 12.5v for a set of 2.

Id also consider buying 4 4ohm drivers and putting 2 in each door and giving them 120ish rms a piece, but I cant find one other than the Eminence Alpha-6C 6" that kinda fits that bill and how it would sound in a car instead of strapped to a quitar

KyleBechtold
04-06-2009, 01:57 AM
https://www.clearstarmediagroup.com/shop/products.php?product=Oxygen-Audio-6-1{47}2%22-MidBass-Driver

WOT
04-06-2009, 02:11 AM
if I find a 4ohm driver (like the one you just posted) it would either have to be a set of 2 that can take 250ish a piece, of 4 drivers, than take 100-125 a piece

Im starting to think Im gonna need 2 drivers/door, and need 4 loud 4ohm midranges. Wish those **** whip audio 6.5's were 4ohm.

Still got my eye on those 10" whip audios though. Or the 8" seleniums I posted a few posts above

KyleBechtold
04-06-2009, 02:17 AM
if I find a 4ohm driver (like the one you just posted) it would either have to be a set of 2 that can take 250ish a piece, of 4 drivers, than take 100-125 a piece

Im starting to think Im gonna need 2 drivers/door, and need 4 loud 4ohm midranges. Wish those **** whip audio 6.5's were 4ohm.

Still got my eye on those 10" whip audios though. Or the 8" seleniums I posted a few posts above

get a tweeter with em.. 150 for the mids 100 for the tweets be done with it..

or do two in each door..

WOT
04-06-2009, 02:22 AM
cant afford 4 of those drivers. THats $300 usd + shipping. Out of my budget

SWFL
04-06-2009, 02:23 AM
go with 4 6" selenium mids and throw 100-125rms per mid and i bet you will be happy and maybe two tweeters like the st350 or w/e it is . Prob would only need two mids on 300 watts and you will be more than happy

go with this mid over the 8" it will play lower and higher according to the specs and more xmax for lower freq's

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-422

KyleBechtold
04-06-2009, 02:23 AM
I will say this.. be prepared to do a lot of tuning with the eminence if thats what you go with.. they get loud as **** but aren't the greatest out there..

SWFL
04-06-2009, 02:26 AM
also what amps do you have for these mids and what power at what ohms do they do???

WOT
04-06-2009, 03:50 AM
I think I may end up simply buying a set of Selenium St350's supertweeters.

I will then remove my PG rsd tweets and components, throw 4 RSD 6.5's in the doors and one ST350 in each door aswell. That way I wouldnt have to buy a single thing but the tweeters and build pods. I could continue to use my 4 chanel to give the rsd's about 65rms a piece. And I have a lower end 2 chanel that pumps 150rms bridged @ 4ohm. So 2 St350's would be getting 75 rms each which is perfect for them

Just gonna do some more research on the st350's

Does anyone have any experience on them? Do they still play vocals/singing etc well?

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-362&vReviewShow=1&&vReviewPage=2&vReviewRand=7520607#reviews

jesterjames
04-06-2009, 05:22 AM
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_13969_Infinity+Kappa+60.9cs.html#

These are 1 step up from what i got and mine are clear and loud as ****... i highly recommend you try them regardless of what others might say
Most Best Buys have a set of these or similar setup and you can listen to them in person... just make sure you listen to a kappa or perfect series speaker, and not a POS Reference series :D

dewey79
04-06-2009, 06:38 AM
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_13969_Infinity+Kappa+60.9cs.html#

These are 1 step up from what i got and mine are clear and loud as ****... i highly recommend you try them regardless of what others might say
Most Best Buys have a set of these or similar setup and you can listen to them in person... just make sure you listen to a kappa or perfect series speaker, and not a POS Reference series :D

Those are really nice and loud! I had the infinity 60.9. Then I got the infinity perfects 6.1 which are way louder and better sounding.

Ignatowski
04-06-2009, 07:01 AM
the words 100W and ear bleeding is kinda silly,100watts aint ****
You want ear bleading try 300W or more :D

WOT
04-06-2009, 11:52 AM
Id prefer stay away from Infinity products, havent had luck in the past at all with them

St350's are on my mind though, 2 of them. 4 of them if I feel like fixing the kicker amp and using it to power them all

Alpine50
04-06-2009, 12:35 PM
Many years ago,I wanted the loudest ,most shrill tweeter in my 76' Grand Prix anniversary Edition.In 81' I had them all...Phillips,Seas,Becker...they kept blowing.Back then,they actually wound and put the capacitors when they did 3-way systems.Today we have it made.Back then you had to have someone who knew enough math to design a crossover.My right tweeter kept blowing,so ,I got desperate ,went to Radio Shack(they used to sell car-audio)if that's what you call it and found my tweeter fix.A Piezzo Tweeter horn looking thing that would handle 150 rms @4 ohms and would go to 60K hz.That tweeter was so shrill,it would cut you in 1/2.They were like $4.99 ea.I bought 3 of them ,blew one of them.I'm not sure if they were for home or car audio but at 4 ohms I knew it would work.The doors had a 6.5"mid-bass/a 4" speaker and a 1 1/2" tweeter and 2 10" free-air mounted Pyle Drivers,the original ones.Alpine 4 channel amp /and an Alpine 2 channel amp(100 rms per channel) I may have forgotten .My claim to fame was my head unit...Alpine 7307 cassette deck-pre-amp unit with a digital-time delay unit.the source unit sold in 1981 for $565.00,it had the sendust head,cro2 oxide capabilities.NO AUTO REVERSE..The real sound quality units didn't sport the auto-reverse,and a transport system that was smooth as butter.Sometimes,the solution is simple,sometimes not.Thanks for letting me go down memory lane..Alpine had just come on the scene in 1980...Alpine50

jmcinvale
04-06-2009, 01:40 PM
Go buy you some Infinity Reference Series speakers http://www.infinitysystems.com/car/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=REF6022I&cat=REF&ser=REF&Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA
I have four and they get LOUD while still very clear sounding running on a Rockford Fosgate P400-4 amp. It's been almost a year since I installed them and they have taken everything I have thrown at them without any troubles. They also have a switch that can run the tweeter at normal or at a 3 db boost. I play a very wide variety of music from the old to the new and they sound great.

WOT
04-06-2009, 02:51 PM
I dont like infinity speakers, Ive run 2 sets before. Im pretty set on either one or two sets of the ST350 supertweeters

Xprime4
04-06-2009, 08:36 PM
you'll need a lot of midrange to run 2 pair of supertweeters. They are pretty efficient already.

WOT
04-07-2009, 01:37 AM
8" seleniums will provde plenty of mid range

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6974/35648816.jpg

I would LOVE to know if I need to purchase the bass stoppers based off of there 4 ohm spec, or there 8ohm spec. Im assuming I need to go by the 4ohm spec since thats the load the amp see, but am not sure, since the drivers are 8ohm. so I can place my order Id like to get that out of the way.

papermaker
04-07-2009, 01:49 AM
you need a new hobby. buying BS only to be loud..you don't like music that much is apperant.. with that much power any decent midrange will be loud ESP active. your going to ruin audio for everybody..

papermaker
04-07-2009, 01:51 AM
8" seleniums will provde plenty of mid range

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6974/35648816.jpg

I would LOVE to know if I need to purchase the bass stoppers based off of there 4 ohm spec, or there 8ohm spec. Im assuming I need to go by the 4ohm spec since thats the load the amp see, but am not sure, since the drivers are 8ohm. so I can place my order Id like to get that out of the way.

your ****ing kidding me right?? yes caps will reduce bass, god thats going to sound like poop...

WOT
04-07-2009, 01:55 AM
you need a new hobby. buying BS only to be loud..you don't like music that much is apperant.. with that much power any decent midrange will be loud ESP active. your going to ruin audio for everybody..

Buying Bs? Theres alot of people on here running ST350's and say they sound extremely good. Havent heard a single bad review by anyone whos owned them actually.


And to the post above, what do you mean? Why would it sound like poop. Im trying to cut the "poop" frequencies out like everyone is telling me, I guess shooting for a 5000hz crossover point on the ST350's, and thats how they have to be wired. I dont get why you feel the need to bash instead of maybe explaining why you would say that.

Can I get some help on the 4ohm 8ohm quesiton I posted 3 posts above please, its got me stumped

papermaker
04-07-2009, 02:10 AM
if you got some really well designed mids 100 is enough to cause hering damage when there ran active... you need to learn about imaging.. if you have to cross the tweeter that high your going to make the mid play that high and very few mid do well that high while sounding good.. the best mids don't need to exceed 4khz.. many good tweeters easily play down to 2500..

as for the caps,you need one per driver, and you need to go off the dcr of the driver. also the cap needs to be rated close to the voltage of the amps output. if you wat a decent "bass blocker" go to parts express and get you some goods caps..

KyleBechtold
04-07-2009, 02:14 AM
1 tweet per door with the pg rsd mids.. no seleniums mids..

WOT
04-07-2009, 04:02 AM
as for the caps,you need one per driver, and you need to go off the dcr of the driver. also the cap needs to be rated close to the voltage of the amps output. if you wat a decent "bass blocker" go to parts express and get you some goods caps..


Im aware MY mids arent supposed to play above 2500hz, they wont be.

And the st350's are 8ohm, so these are the only ones parts express has that semi fit the bill, if I bought 3 of those (1 spare) my tweets would only be seeing 2800kHz+

Closest bass stopper I can find on amazon (where Im buying everything) is

http://www.amazon.com/BASS-STOPPER-5-6-kHz-2-8/dp/B0002KRC4K/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1239090988&sr=8-10

which is the same as the parts express one

Where can I get a 5000kHz resisitor @ 8ohm then, Ill buy 4 so I have a few extra

WOT
04-07-2009, 12:11 PM
bump it