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krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 04:48 PM
Im all about smooth tweeters, anything even close to harsh/bright and I dont like it. What are some tweeters to take a look on the market?

Right now I have the rainbow cal 20, and I was extremely happy with that running active on the 9887, I want to experience the cal 25's, nobody seems to be sellin em on the forums.

Any suggestions welcome!

stuckinok
02-05-2009, 04:53 PM
Budget?

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 04:56 PM
Budget?

Eh, I would say around the $50-$100 range?...Ill put it this way. I dont care about warranties, I dont mind buying used good condition items, refurbished, or things new on ebay to save a few bucks(depending on what item im buying.)

Basically Im a non-jew whos a jew. :laugh:

But with the equipment that I own, I obviously will spend the $$ if its worth it. I like researching things too.

mobeious
02-05-2009, 04:58 PM
try the id xs28's or alpine pro's how low do u need them to play

okiedokie
02-05-2009, 05:00 PM
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=tweeters&categories_id=&search_in_description=1&inc_subcat=1

since you wantto try new tweeters madisound has a wide selection that you can try out.

djman37
02-05-2009, 05:01 PM
there's a tweeter showdown somewhere that has the good, the bad, and the harsh about the top 25 or so tweets.

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:01 PM
try the id xs28's or alpine pro's how low do u need them to play

I usually had the tweeter Around 3000-3500 or so, I never liked my tweeters to play very low, I thought it brought out more of the harsher qualities. Maybe its just me.

I want something smooth/silk. Nothing metal/harsh at all.

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:03 PM
there's a tweeter showdown somewhere that has the good, the bad, and the harsh about the top 25 or so tweets.

where?

stuckinok
02-05-2009, 05:03 PM
Vifa XT25
Seas Neos
Used Hybrid Audio Legatia L1s
and if you like the cal25s then the Blaupunkt VC100's are supposed to be from the same build house and very comparable. Look them up on DIYMA

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:04 PM
Also the tweeter has to be reasonably small, due to the fact of its location:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u14/krisfnbs/White%20Civic%20Install/Pictures086.jpg?t=1233867825

Thats where my cal 20 sits now. Looks very clean, and the sound is nice as well, maybe not 100% Optimal, but were working with an older civic, what can you expect?

Scoobydoo
02-05-2009, 05:05 PM
http://www.totallypimpedout.net/Graphics/Cartoon_Characters/images/Tweety_Bird_001.gif

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:09 PM
Vifa XT25
Seas Neos
Used Hybrid Audio Legatia L1s
and if you like the cal25s then the Blaupunkt VC100's are supposed to be from the same build house and very comparable. Look them up on DIYMA

I have heard a little bit about the Sea Neos, I need to look into them Any model number to search?

OHHHH noo.. about the VC100. I have a friend who has them installed, MAN they are BRIGHT tweeters. Seriously. I dont want anything even close to that tweeter. I bought them and never installed them gave em to a friend to uss because he needed tweeters and just wow.

mobeious
02-05-2009, 05:21 PM
try the id xs28's or alpine pro's how low do u need them to play

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:21 PM
http://www.zaphaudio.com/tweetermishmash/

this the test you were talking about?

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:24 PM
try the id xs28's or alpine pro's how low do u need them to play

I dont want them to play low, it all depends on the driver im using to what sounds non harsh/good to me how I would cross it. I usually crossed my cal 20's around 3500.

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:26 PM
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=7067

That is what I have now. It is nice, I would just like to change it up a bit. has to be a small dome tweeter though.

stuckinok
02-05-2009, 05:28 PM
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=149&products_id=1466

Here is the Seas Neo Textile they also come in a metal dome but they are not harsh at all. As for the VC100s they can be harsh but they need to be off axis low away in the kicks. I did find them a bit harsh in the dash and in the snails.

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:31 PM
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=149&products_id=1466

Here is the Seas Neo Textile they also come in a metal dome but they are not harsh at all. As for the VC100s they can be harsh but they need to be off axis low away in the kicks. I did find them a bit harsh in the dash and in the snails.

As long as you can honestly tell me they are not harsh at all, I think I might give them a try. In my mind, if a tweeter has to be off axis low away in the kicks, its harsh. Shouldnt have to mess with a tweeter to get it not to be harsh. With my situation, having the tweeters in the dash not only looks nice, it sounds nice. I would have to customize something down near the mid if I wanted a tweeter down there.

I appreciate your input!!

BTW are these silk tweeters: http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=5549

Seems like those would be nice!

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:37 PM
Nevermind the MD 102 tweeter has an aluminum voice coil. Im sure its nice, just not for silk guys.

its_bacon12
02-05-2009, 05:40 PM
XT25 if it will fit or an old alpine SPX XT19 derivative would fit the bill quite nicely.

stuckinok
02-05-2009, 05:41 PM
If you really like something soft and laidback then look into the Morel tweets. Morel is known for being very laid back. Some would say it's too laid back for a automotive environment but SQ is subjective. I really liked the Seas Neos and kind of wish I didnt sell them. Lots of people praise the HAT L1 also so you might want to look into those.

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:41 PM
Looks like the SEAS Prestige 27TFFNC/G (H1396) is the tweeter looking nicest to be as far as price, and reviews. What can compare to this?

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 05:44 PM
If you really like something soft and laidback then look into the Morel tweets. Morel is known for being very laid back. Some would say it's too laid back for a automotive environment but SQ is subjective. I really liked the Seas Neos and kind of wish I didnt sell them. Lots of people praise the HAT L1 also so you might want to look into those.

which seas neo's did you own?

mokedaddy
02-05-2009, 05:46 PM
Nevermind the MD 102 tweeter has an aluminum voice coil. Im sure its nice, just not for silk guys.

Voice coil and dome material are two different things.

Morel mdt 12 tweets are hard to beat for the price and are reasonably small.

krisfnbz
02-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Voice coil and dome material are two different things.

Morel mdt 12 tweets are hard to beat for the price and are reasonably small.

You mean these? http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=277-060

They seem more like home tweeter than car tweeters. They are 8ohm, I thought most tweeters were 4ohm?

stuckinok
02-05-2009, 08:07 PM
which seas neo's did you own?
I had the aluminum dome but didnt find them harsh at all

You mean these? http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=277-060

They seem more like home tweeter than car tweeters. They are 8ohm, I thought most tweeters were 4ohm?

Dont get caught in the whole "oh noes 8ohm" BS search a little more and you will find proof that there is nothing wrong with a 8ohm speaker and that in fact they are more efficient than a 4ohm speaker. James Bang's entire front stage is all 8ohm speakers and so are my mids. Look more into speakers from madisound and parts express. I rather use raw drivers then mainstream pay for the name type speakers.

James Bang
02-05-2009, 08:59 PM
oh noes all 8 ohms speakers...


they work for me

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/mobster909/new%20items/IMG00251.jpg

stuckinok
02-05-2009, 09:21 PM
spoon feeder

mlstrass
02-05-2009, 09:49 PM
oh noes all 8 ohms speakers...


they work for me

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/mobster909/new%20items/IMG00251.jpg

They can't as they're 8ohm noobie :D

xt25's have a very nice sound and are NOT bright at all, almost mellow unless you put a lot of power to them. Ran them for a few years and have the Alpine SPX 17's now. Both are very nice and not overly expensive.

DIYMA also have several tweeter tests, so check them out and the Zaph one. Lots of good info...

FoxPro5
02-05-2009, 11:27 PM
Nevermind the MD 102 tweeter has an aluminum voice coil. Im sure its nice, just not for silk guys.

Dynaudio uses silk/fabric on every tweeter they make.

The ring radiator design (XT19 and XT25) is really no good beyond about 15* off axis.

This "smoothness" you're after is probably very low harmonic distortion. Read Zaph's tests and recommendations. "Smooth" means nothing to the objective-inclined shopper. A metal dome can sound "smooth" just as easy as a fabric dome.

FoxPro5
02-05-2009, 11:29 PM
oh noes all 8 ohms speakers...


they work for me

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/mobster909/new%20items/IMG00251.jpg

You drive an Image Dynamics? What year? :p:

James Bang
02-05-2009, 11:32 PM
Dynaudio uses silk/fabric on every tweeter they make.

The ring radiator design (XT19 and XT25) is really no good beyond about 15* off axis.

This "smoothness" you're after is probably very low harmonic distortion. Read Zaph's tests and recommendations. "Smooth" means nothing to the objective-inclined shopper. A metal dome can sound "smooth" just as easy as a fabric dome.

one of the smoothest setups i've heard was full of metal...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/georobu/DSC07793.jpg

how the hell could this be, though??? we all know metal domes or what not = harsh :confused:

James Bang
02-05-2009, 11:35 PM
You drive an Image Dynamics? What year? :p:

96'

almost 13 yrs old.

ID builds Great reliable car. they're great all the way past 20.. khz ... i mean miles...


230k mileage... :(

Fiercetimbo17
02-05-2009, 11:35 PM
I dont see any metal domes???:confused::D:confused:

James Bang
02-05-2009, 11:36 PM
my midranges have metal (aluminum) phase plugs... will that make them harsh like metal tweeters?

bose301s
02-05-2009, 11:38 PM
I prefer metal tweeters to silk, but either can sound amazing.

Fiercetimbo17
02-05-2009, 11:39 PM
my midranges have metal (aluminum) phase plugs... will that make them harsh like metal tweeters?

Yes, any part of the speaker that is made of metal increases the HR (harshness ratio) that includes the voice coil basket everything. This is one of the TS parameters commonly left off the charts...

FoxPro5
02-05-2009, 11:43 PM
96'

almost 13 yrs old.

ID builds Great reliable car. they're great all the way past 20.. khz ... i mean miles...


230k mileage... :(

Dude, you're like one hard-pounding NKOTB track from that thing collapsing into a pile of scrap metal with all those 8 ohmers you got in there.

All a metal phase plug does is make the cone align the smooth SQ molecules better.

krisfnbz
02-06-2009, 12:47 PM
I had the aluminum dome but didnt find them harsh at all


Dont get caught in the whole "oh noes 8ohm" BS search a little more and you will find proof that there is nothing wrong with a 8ohm speaker and that in fact they are more efficient than a 4ohm speaker. James Bang's entire front stage is all 8ohm speakers and so are my mids. Look more into speakers from madisound and parts express. I rather use raw drivers then mainstream pay for the name type speakers.

I didnt realized 8ohm speakers were okay to use in cars. Im still a newb at certain areas, what can I say?


oh noes all 8 ohms speakers...


they work for me

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/mobster909/new%20items/IMG00251.jpg

That looks like a sick setup you have going.

They can't as they're 8ohm noobie :D

xt25's have a very nice sound and are NOT bright at all, almost mellow unless you put a lot of power to them. Ran them for a few years and have the Alpine SPX 17's now. Both are very nice and not overly expensive.

DIYMA also have several tweeter tests, so check them out and the Zaph one. Lots of good info...

I will do that, thanks for the information. I used to go on DIYMA a couple of months ago, completely forgot about that forum.


Dynaudio uses silk/fabric on every tweeter they make.

The ring radiator design (XT19 and XT25) is really no good beyond about 15* off axis.

This "smoothness" you're after is probably very low harmonic distortion. Read Zaph's tests and recommendations. "Smooth" means nothing to the objective-inclined shopper. A metal dome can sound "smooth" just as easy as a fabric dome.

Dyn's are probably a bit too expensive for me. The "Smoothness" I am looking for is a soft tweeter, not a bright tweeter. Im assuming a good metal tweeter wont be "harsh" because its a good tweeter, a bad/average metal tweeter would be in my books "harsh". therefore Out of all of the 10 or so metal tweeters I have heard, I did not like a single one, MAYBE the tweeter in the focal K2p's, i think the TN52's? Not sure, but that was still bright.

A metal dome probably can sound just as smooth as a fabric dome, but from what I have heard, what I am working with probably not. Id rather just stick with a silk/fabric dome.

one of the smoothest setups i've heard was full of metal...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/georobu/DSC07793.jpg

how the hell could this be, though??? we all know metal domes or what not = harsh :confused:

I would like to hear that setup, it would be interesting. Im not saying all metal tweeters are harsh, just what I have heard so far they are.



Thanks for all the input guys, I really appreciate it.

headless
02-06-2009, 12:51 PM
Poor fellow; i just saw a few sets of CAL-27's sell a month or 2 ago for 120$. Now THOSE were a good deal.

krisfnbz
02-06-2009, 12:52 PM
Poor fellow; i just saw a few sets of CAL-27's sell a month or 2 ago for 120$. Now THOSE were a good deal.

FAAAAAK! Man I would have jumped on those.

krisfnbz
02-14-2009, 10:33 PM
Looks like I will be buying these: http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=149&products_id=1466

lilgrasshopper
03-25-2009, 08:54 AM
Looks like I will be buying these: http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=149&products_id=1466

So did you install these? How do they sound?

krisfnbz
03-25-2009, 10:32 AM
I had them hooked up for about 20-30 minutes, but not mounted. I had them taped in the location where I wanted them and from what I was listening to they are worth every penny.

mcsoul
03-25-2009, 10:40 AM
I had them hooked up for about 20-30 minutes, but not mounted. I had them taped in the location where I wanted them and from what I was listening to they are worth every penny.

Have you heard cal 25's? How do they compare? Do they blow the cal 20's away?

krisfnbz
03-25-2009, 01:24 PM
Have you heard cal 25's? How do they compare? Do they blow the cal 20's away?

I have not heard the cal 25's, I always hear great things about them though.

I wouldn't say these SEAS blow the rainbow cal 20's, however it seems they can play down to about 2.7-3 or so and sound nice. They also can take a bit more power without sounding nasty at the higher volumes. Both were off axis.

krisfnbz
04-15-2009, 01:32 PM
Update for those who care, Im finishing making apillar pods for the seas neo tweeters to get them on axis..

stuckinok
04-15-2009, 03:12 PM
cool