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orangelss
12-20-2008, 07:41 PM
Would like to replace my old Aura midbass's. They never really lived up to my expectations. Prefer to stay with a 8 but 6.5 accepted if it can handle 45-50hz to 130hz and power. Changing some things this winter while its garaged. Any suggestions appreciated, but keep them to drivers I can still find and are under $300pr. So no Illusions and such. Great driver but rare as hens teeth in acceptable condtion.

GAM3OVR
12-20-2008, 09:20 PM
Pioneer Premier 8" Shallow mount Subs = Great Midbass ;)

James Bang
12-20-2008, 09:52 PM
look for idq8s.

orangelss
12-20-2008, 09:59 PM
Have thought about the IDQ's not sure they will fit though. The pioneer's i have tried. Lose sounding speaker. Want fast tight sound. Thinking about a set of JBL 2118. Same problem as the IDQs though. May have to sacrafice a little leg room. Will do some more measuring tomarrow. Do the morel 8/9s handle power well?

James Bang
12-20-2008, 10:19 PM
leg room is overrated. the idq8 does great for midbass. I was really impressed w/ mine. if you want fast and tight, it would depend on your install.

Horsemanwill
12-20-2008, 10:51 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/IMAGE-DYNAMICS-IDQ8-NEOs-RARE-ONE-OF-A-KIND_W0QQitemZ330294540438QQihZ014QQcategoryZ14936 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

dumple
12-20-2008, 10:54 PM
those are interesting

can midbass be played ib such as in a rear deck?

Horsemanwill
12-20-2008, 10:55 PM
yes but it'll pull your stage to the rear badly i did that once in one of my older cars very bad idea :(

dumple
12-20-2008, 10:56 PM
really ? hmm i dont want to have to build pods what if i also add some sort of mids and tweets in on the deck aswell

Horsemanwill
12-20-2008, 10:57 PM
any speaker added to the rear will pull the sound to the rear. now if you mean run mids in the doors that can be done. those 8s i linked were in kicks of a car.

dumple
12-20-2008, 10:59 PM
yea sorry for the thread jacking tho i want to get more info on the RD midbass speakers

what i want to do is run my comps up front and use some midbass speakers on the deck

loud speakers are on how its made lol right now

Etac
12-21-2008, 10:07 AM
could look into peerless sls 8's.. pretty good for $50 a piece, theyll only play up to 800 or so max just so you know
i use the 6.5 version and love em, wish i could of fit the 8's in my door

orangelss
12-21-2008, 12:03 PM
Just got a new madison catalog. Peerless makes several drivers that look like they might work. Also have several seas models that look good.

Might try a pr of these per door, SEAS Prestige L16RNX 6"

Watching the Id's right now.

JimJ
12-21-2008, 12:07 PM
The Hybrid L8's are definitely worth considering...

Megalomaniac
12-21-2008, 01:04 PM
look for idq8s.

o werd

http://cgi.ebay.com/IMAGE-DYNAMICS-IDQ8-NEOs-RARE-ONE-OF-A-KIND_W0QQitemZ330294540438QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_S peakers?hash=item330294540438&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/IMAGE-DYNAMICS-IDQ8-NEOs-RARE-ONE-OF-A-KIND_W0QQitemZ330294540438QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_S peakers?hash=item330294540438&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50)

PaulD
12-21-2008, 01:09 PM
yes but it'll pull your stage to the rear badly i did that once in one of my older cars very bad idea :(


Really ? I guess all those people that listened and judged Richard's GN (or a number of the Speaker Works vehicles) didnt know a thing about staging and imaging ...


You probably had rattles, and that rattling drew your attention to the back

squeak9798
12-21-2008, 01:10 PM
any speaker added to the rear will pull the sound to the rear. now if you mean run mids in the doors that can be done. those 8s i linked were in kicks of a car.

Werewolf had some nice posts on ECA explaining how and why midbass in the rear could (and should) work.



I've been seriously considering picking up a pair of these;
http://creativesound.ca/pdf/CSS_TRIO8.pdf

But it depends on how high you were needing them to play. These wouldn't work in a 2-way unless you were using horns.

Megalomaniac
12-21-2008, 01:12 PM
Those are "exceptions" rather than rules

squeak9798
12-21-2008, 01:18 PM
Those are "exceptions" rather than rules

Huh?

mokedaddy
12-21-2008, 01:21 PM
I think the 'norm' is a better word than 'rules' being as you are dealing with something that has so many variables there are no hard and fast rules.

RAM_Designs
12-21-2008, 01:31 PM
dayton rs225's...and they're usable up to about 1.5k too.

Megalomaniac
12-21-2008, 01:35 PM
I think the 'norm' is a better word than 'rules' being as you are dealing with something that has so many variables there are no hard and fast rules.

thank you, poor choice of words on my end.

Unholysavage
12-21-2008, 01:41 PM
do you have room for an Extremis or CSS SDX7?
not quite an 8, but people seem to love them for midbass

Horsemanwill
12-21-2008, 02:46 PM
Really ? I guess all those people that listened and judged Richard's GN (or a number of the Speaker Works vehicles) didnt know a thing about staging and imaging ...


You probably had rattles, and that rattling drew your attention to the back

i guess i should have been more specific about my previous car too it wasn't much of a "cometition car" it wasn't tweaked to tuned to sound correct. it wa a pair of tweets and a pair of 4s up front and some 6x9 mids in the back. no eq no time delay. just straight sound. now sure if you have all the time and money that speaker works has you can make it sound right but when all you have is 2 amps one for subs one for the rest you do with what you have.

squeak9798
12-21-2008, 03:05 PM
i guess i should have been more specific about my previous car too it wasn't much of a "cometition car" it wasn't tweaked to tuned to sound correct. it wa a pair of tweets and a pair of 4s up front and some 6x9 mids in the back. no eq no time delay. just straight sound. now sure if you have all the time and money that speaker works has you can make it sound right but when all you have is 2 amps one for subs one for the rest you do with what you have.

Then is the problem that midbass in the rear doesn't work......or that your setup didn't work with rear mounted midbass ;)

Two completely different things. And it's a fallacy to draw conclusions about the former from the later.

orangelss
12-21-2008, 04:03 PM
Will be a three way set-up. Back when Sq was truly Sq. Alot of the cars had midbass in the back, Richard Buick, Harry Acura, Best sounding car I ever got to set in was a 89 T-bird. Horns in the front with 6.5 in the doors, 10 in the rear side panels and 15s running free air. The 6.5 were high passes at 250hz. The midbass was provided by the 10s in the quarters.

Was looking a the CSS and the Mach 5 6.5 also. Lot of choices, found a pr of the JBL for a nice price. Going to contact JBL Monday and see if they can still recone them.

My midbass are in my doors, they are damped and sealed very well. Speakers are mounted to baffles built onto the door itself. I can get about 3.25 of depth. Have a new set of doorpanels coming to see what kind off mods I can do with out destroying the look of my car. Trying to keep the car as stealth as possable.
Mids and highs are provided buy the Gti's in the kicks along with a small TB titanium tweeter mounted in the A-pillars crossed over at 8.5khz

C3 Customs
12-21-2008, 05:32 PM
Bravox Audio PXW8

orangelss
12-21-2008, 08:35 PM
Bravox Audio PXW8

Checked out thier website. Didnt find that model #. They make some interesting drivers though.

FoxPro5
12-22-2008, 10:21 AM
I doubt you'll get the JBL 2118h/j to play down to where you said (45 hz). Most of those types of drivers fall off a cliff at around 80-100 hz as they are really midrange drivers, not woofers. Not saying it won't work, I totally depends on the install.....could sound fantastic. They also only have 3mm of throw.
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/2118.pdf

khanhfat
12-22-2008, 10:44 AM
Focal utopia .. retail for 600$ but dealer can get u for lil bit lower.

James Bang
12-22-2008, 10:48 AM
Bravox Audio PXW8

you should ask if your SN could be changed to Bravox Audio. That seems to be what all your posts are about. I just hope all the members can detect what's biased or not.

orangelss
12-22-2008, 01:08 PM
I doubt you'll get the JBL 2118h/j to play down to where you said (45 hz). Most of those types of drivers fall off a cliff at around 80-100 hz as they are really midrange drivers, not woofers. Not saying it won't work, I totally depends on the install.....could sound fantastic. They also only have 3mm of throw.
http://www.jblpro.com/pub/obsolete/2118.pdf

Got the idea from Mark Eldrege's 4Runner. The have a very crisp sound and if I remember right he had his crossed over at 65hz. Is another option I'm looking atright now.

Also have 4 Dayton Euro7 drivers coming. Will do a little testing on them to see if they might do. Ordering some Seas, peerless, and B&W driver to test. Does anyone know anything about the JL midbass drivers?

FoxPro5
12-22-2008, 02:14 PM
Well, I'm sure Mark Eldridge could make a pair of potatoes sound good. :)

I've been watching the JBL's on ebay and the last two pairs went for about $140 shipped or so. They look really intriguing and I'd love to try them.

If I stick with the pro drivers in my car, then I'm probably going to get the neo B&C 8's. I have the next models down (PS series) in my car right now and they sound great, but have limited low end LP at 80's although my 12W6 fills the rest in pretty well.

The ZR800's are very full and "rich" sounding for use as a dedicated MB driver up front for me. They are basically on the opposite side of the spectrum from what you just described the JBL's as. They are ultra smooth and move some serious air...maybe even more then the L8's.

Let us know what you decide to go with. Looks like you got some really good prospects lined up.

Flipx99
12-22-2008, 02:48 PM
Hertz Space 8?

orangelss
12-22-2008, 06:18 PM
Haha thank you for spelling Marks name right. Just passing time and trying to make my car sound better. Other nice thing about the JBLs are the power handling and lack of compression over long listing periods.

Next big thing is better amps. Thinking Zapco or Tru. May just mod the ones I have by building matching heatsinks for them.

Have listned to the Hertz. nice but no better than the Aura's.

FoxPro5
12-22-2008, 07:08 PM
Other nice thing about the JBLs are the power handling and lack of compression over long listing periods.

I've noticed the same thing. :veryhapp: Which is why I'm going to have a very difficult time running a MB or IB woofer built for car audio again. I like the sound, but once you start really hammering down on something like Dyn with some power behind you, they totally **** the bed. Flame my *** all you want for being a hater, but I didn't spend the past year or so building up my doors for set of Playskool drivers to play patty cake in. ;)

orangelss
12-22-2008, 08:45 PM
I've noticed the same thing. :veryhapp: Which is why I'm going to have a very difficult time running a MB or IB woofer built for car audio again. I like the sound, but once you start really hammering down on something like Dyn with some power behind you, they totally **** the bed. Flame my *** all you want for being a hater, but I didn't spend the past year or so building up my doors for set of Playskool drivers to play patty cake in. ;)

AMEN!! Have you ever tried the McCauley drivers. They make a 4ohm prosound 18. Is close to the perfect IB driver. Had one in my old accord with a Alpine 1507 bridged to it. Beautiful sound and could rattle your teeth at 18hz. Off all the equipment I've owned that is one driver I would kill to have back :D

C3 Customs
12-24-2008, 09:53 AM
Checked out thier website. Didnt find that model #. They make some interesting drivers though.

PXW8 page (http://www.bravoxaudio.com/pxw.asp)

C3 Customs
12-24-2008, 10:08 AM
you should ask if your SN could be changed to Bravox Audio. That seems to be what all your posts are about. I just hope all the members can detect what's biased or not.

Well I just like to give people an affordable quality alternative and try not to take anything away from all of the wonderful products out there. I could easily recommend Genesis, Morel, Hybrid Audio Technologies, Seas Lotus, Rainbow, or DLS products but most people on here are not looking to spend that on speakers yet. I know that there are products that will out perform Bravox Audio and that sound better but most cost a lot more. I personally have no biased for any brand as I like those that can reproduce dynamic music clearly & accurately.

BIGMANNYC
01-03-2009, 01:22 AM
try the celstion 8" for midbass they sound incredible i have a small box attached to my sub box with 4 of them pewered by a cruch 1400w amp and man the voice is sooo clear it can be heard from far away...... and they were not expensive.:D